New k-pop stans and haters always calling TWICE and EXO flops just because they do not have explosive views and stream count but little do they know that both of these groups have a big secured and loyal fanbase already. That is the most important thing that can happen to a k-pop group's career on the long run. 9 years (TWICE) and 12 years (EXO) and still selling millions of album copies and sold out venues to this day. It's not an easy feat to achieve especially nearing or beyond a decade on the k-pop industry.
I think it's because a lot of them are BTS/Hybe stans and they don't realise that they're streaming the groups' music in a very obsessive way. It's like as soon as the song releases they have it in constant repeat and it leads to a large amount of streams. Meanwhile with EXO and Twice, i can wait like a month before listening to their music because they're still gonna be there 😂 Both of them were already big groups before streaming even started to matter, they'll make it
@@baoziday5178 I never was a fan of twice but no I'm not going out of way to hate on them I'm more the type of person every time exo song comes I'm going to listen to it.
I think with the group twice they have fell off that hill and now they're just comfortable with the fans they have they're not trying to gain more fans in my opinion so when people see low views and all that stuff they think that that song didn't hurt or something and some of their songs have not charted well and some of their songs haven't heard of well and that's fine
obviously the problem with Seunghan is very problematic, but when you look at it, Lucas was extremely popular prior to his scandal and had a whole 3 years full of success before the scandal, and SM knew what they were doing, they wanted to see what would happen by slowly teasing Lucas back into the public eye through instagram and RU-vid, but SM knows Lucas brought in a lot of money and werent going to let him go, which is why they gave him such a higher budget cause they want people paying attention to him due to money, but with Seunghan, Seunghan is so early in his career that it would be easy to erase him if he were to be kicked out or leave RIIZE, he only has 4 songs with the group, and with the fact that Siren was made longer without him really makes it only 3 songs. It’s sort of the same situation with Garam, she had a whole mini album but boom is kicked out of the group and then Hybe basically tried to erase her existence by re-recording the old songs with members covering her lines. These are all things companies do, if you’re early into your career and mess up, it’s easy to just delete you from the group and have the group continue because as your group gets more popular, no one will know a group was 6 or 7 members, whereas someone who has a long career with a group, it’s hard to forget their existence in a group, especially when that member was popular and bringing in money.
I agree with the Aheyon opinion on the second batter up prechorus.. not because of her voice itself but because of the way she sang it with her chest voice.. it felt so random and out of place. As for Lily I have no problem with her parts inside NMIXX's discography as they were made specifically for her ( love me like this being an example ).. but in her I AM cover she messed up some notes and her technique didn't help, and I'm talking here as someone who has only been into kpop since last year and whose main issue with Twice are the high pitched vocals, so trust me when I say that the high pitch isn't the reason.
Chaewon and Yunjin actually suit the concept they have though. Lesserafim's music is also loved by almost everyone. But yeah I completely agree on the vocals part and other members not suiting the concept.
They're better than the rest of the members but they're not reaching that yet. They lack of swagness which requires in most of their songs... Of course they sound better in recording but once they sing live, even chaewon sound flatter. I been a big fan of her since izone, she slay the ballad and pop songs but not the song in lesserafim unfortunately. But then just my opinion
I feel like this badass, fearless, "changing the industry", concept hybe has for le sserafim was just a big cash grab and not something they put full thought into at least when picking the members for the concept.
I know! Thank you for saying this! I really liked the song but it's Eunchae that is bothering me a lot. Like the girl is 17 ffs, and since I stan both LE SSERAFIM and NewJeans, I'm a bit scared on what both Haerin and Hyein will do in their future choreos. Like HYBE, Protect your minors!
@@Hanni._.Bubblegum.So... You ask Hybe to act better but if you disslike what those adults pay that minors to do and still support it... Why? Really I am curious. I was a lot more innocent than actual teens and even if I knew this kind of things happened in my world were unnusual incidents, I spend my youth with my books and manga, I found K-Pop older and watch TV was not something I usually did so until a few years back that I noticed my nieces at seven were doing twerking and dancing innapropiate songs (in their dance class) that I started to be concious of this problems and put numbers to something I tought was an exception and noticed it was more a rule. But you know better, you are not so ignorant as I was, then, why do you support that kind of actions. I by no means try to be rude, I just want to understand.
The facts with the song is they're giving them songs with Soulful vocals and none of them can barely sing that's not hate none of them can truly really sing
I've always said with BTS solo music you are getting 7 different artists with their own sound. You can't expect them all to have to same amount of success with their solo albums because even if you are ARMY it's more than likely a member or 2 is going to have a sound more to your preference. I'm ARMY and while I've listened to all the solo music that BTS has put out I'm not going to go out of my to stream every member's music equally. I listen to I want in the moment. But I think every member of BTS has been doing well with their solo albums and they each got to promote in their own unique way too. What I don't like are the solo stans literally begging certain members to leave BTS and completely disrespect the talent and hard work of the members of BTS. And while I love them as soloists I just really can't wait for them to be together as 7 again in 2025. BTS as a group is magical. I kind of think of BTS like a rainbow, their colors are beautiful on their own but when they come together they form something that's even more beautiful.
Exactly! I liked Jungkook music, some of Namjoon, a few of J-Hope and a few of Suga but even if V music was sweet, it was to much nostalgic for me and Jimin feels like to much angry? I do not know how to put it, there is an undefeeling there a little to disturbing for me... I do not like rap at all so I do not listening rap line most of the time but Indigon is just my taste, Hopeworld, More and a few song of August D music too but most of their music is not for me. Still, I stream all of them when it is time to support them but I keep listening what I like, I am here for the music not for giving Hybe my money just because.
i agree. Their solo era is great bc we can have a taste of each of their styles (my fav projects are Layover+D-Day) but I'm sooo excited for 2025. Ppl like to hate on them but honestly BTS is a really good group.
So you're gonna be blind to the fact that Like Crazy was never sent to radio Nor ot ever got its CDs restocked like EVER not even after a year now when it's the only song charting in US so many of us couldn't get the CDs yet but jks songs habe CDs still he had whole stall gor album while Jimins wasnt even delivered for months as 2017 army Jimin has always been most popular in US but hybe decided someone else to be pushed so much fine push anyone you like just dont stop or cut down the other where are restocks at? Why not send the file to radio? It's pathetic that's just one aspect they literally stopped mentioning Jimin on bighit account no articles are shared despite him still being top 5 of brand reputation depite military and hes the only member he also never got playlisting it's unfair Gallup survey 2018 2019 showed Jimins the kost popular member then something shifted at bighit/hybe and we can tell things are rocky no way a big label ignores historical NO.1 first kpop idol in entire HISTORY to hit no.1 SOLO ..... no one has done it in 63 years and have not yet (FYI Billboard counts solo hits for a solo artist not collabs for example Dojas solo hit was Paintbthe town road not Kiss me more) but Bighit and hybe ognoring and avoiding it like a plague ... you can not just sit there and say it's all fine when it's not.
@@s.hjawed9247 I never said HYBE was perfect. Yes they've had their issues, but I don't know why HYBE would purposely go out of their way to not promote Jimin when they know it would work to their advantage. I don't know the reasoning behind that but maybe things were happening behind the scenes we weren't aware of. And trust me HYBE can frustrate me too but I was more talking about fan's support as opposed to how HYBE treats the members.
My brutal honest opinion: idc if anton is lacking in dancing, he can sing, he can sing live while standing and dancing, he can harmonize, he can do adlibs, his voice is beautiful and it's enough for me :3
I get that Lesserafim get hate for their weak vocal. But Lily and Ahyeon get hate for having a strong vocal is stupid. Just stupid opinion like a crying baby who dont know anything about singing. They are singers! They SHOULD have strong vocals.
I think people hate Ahyeon's voice because it's pitchy? just like some people hate Sana, Momo, Soyeon's voice. There are some people that hate high pitched voice or finds them annoying. But her vocal skills is pretty impressive, I don't get how Lily's voice get's hated though. I don't hate Ahyeon or her voice, this was just my observation towards people who hate her.
@@lovhrin I actually love listening to some high pitched voices. I love when idols have voices like that. My fav part in O.O is the whook whook intro part because it's so satisfying to listen to
Its just a matter of music production. So far Ahyeon and Lily was given lines that make their vocals more striking. Hopefully their labels find away to balance it out otherwise we might get a Camilla Cabello situation when group singing should be more cohesive like Little Mix
@@mannytenk5934 Yes, I have heard them, and they are not that outstanding , and if we continue with SM ,have you heard exo b-sides? they will redefine your b-side word
@@philip-pi6vd I mean, if it’s not for you that’s fine🤷🏿♂️ yes I like EXOS b-sides granted I haven’t listened to all the albums. I just like SM’s music in general I feel like they actually care about the quality of their music.
You can't hate on Ahyeon's voice if she was just inserted into the song. Furthermore, everyone was singing in falsetto and she wasn't. That's why she sounds different, not because of her voice sounding bad. However, in sitm she sounded really good. Better than the original, it's just batter up where she sounds out of place and that's bc yg used no effort to make her sound in place.
That makes me wonder why she sounds so out of place? If batter up was rerecord to remove her, then adding her back shouldn't be a problem. YG is so weird. I swear I don't get how they are still a company
If you don't like the group I think you should at least be nice to the group even if you don't like their certain concept of music because the idols are still the same but the music might have changed.
The real and disguating problem about Lucas and Seunghan is that their scandal are valued in different way. Im still not sure why, but for K-Netizens u need to be some kind of angelic/holy figure to be an idol. Like u cannot have a life outside of it. And they even demanded SM to disband RIIZE if they didnt want to exclude Seunghan whicj is terrible
i dont want to be or sound like a hater, but lesserafim was great with 6 members, the group as a whole was clearly equilibrated, 3 vocalists, 2 rappers, and eunchae (i think we all still trying to figure out what is her real talent that could made her stand out) and yes, now the group is clearly strugling because of yunjin and chaewon not being able to carry a complete group. garam was an important part of the group. tell me if you agree!
I personally think that if we give minji(New jeans) a chance she might actually be able to rap. Like if you get what im saying, LIke i remeber the tell me rap and its my favorite version of the rap and maybe she can show us something good but then we have fucking ador in our way
@@divx1001 Im assuming you have the attention span of a goldfish because clearly you did not AT ALL read what i said. Rapping could enhance new jeans songs and bring something fresh other than that over used y2k sound.
@@D1_hypeboy the one who's missing reading comprehension is you. I read and understood your comment and I still think that fake rapping would ruin New Jeans.
Well the BTS maknae line always had the star treatment as they had a lot of fans but the hyung line’s discography are already well recognized by many. But then again, you cant truly compare the maknae line’s pop rock songs (although V with his jazz is doing well) with the hyung line’s hip hop rnb indie style
Thank you for elaborating my opinion further! :) I swear Hyung Line are like the backup dancers of BTS. They honestly deserve more. I also wanna add something. Armies should learn to live up to their title of being the most loyal fandom. The gap between the numbers of Hyung and Maknae line is too big. I understand y’all may have your preferences but atleast try to support the other members too. They also work hard. Heck, they work harder than the Maknae Line does.
Rami always had the better voice, I thought Rora >>> Rami>>> Chiquita >>> Ahyeon >>> Pharita >>> Asa >>> Ruka? Idk if I'm right, but based on vocal ranking or whatever Rami is a D+ and Rora a C-?@@Kitty_missss
Have you considered pursuing a career in things that require taste? Like something art-wise, critic or management? I kinda think itd be a good idea if companies hired people with a brain to filter through parts of a comeback so that it's not a failure
Hey besty!! love the energy you're bringing! But let's keep it 100 - K-pop companies are in the game to stack paper, period. They've got the formula down: churn out bops, flash those pretty faces, and watch the cash flow in. It's a machine, and we're all just cogs in it. We can sit here and throw shade at their decisions, but at the end of the day, they're laughing all the way to the bank. They'll drop the most basic tracks and debut idols who are all style, no substance, if it means their bank accounts get fatter. It's the harsh truth. And real talk, they couldn't care less about a RU-vidr like me talking trash about their moves. We're just background noise to them. But you know what? We keep it real on this channel, and that's what sets us apart. So let's keep calling it as we see it, and maybe, just maybe, they'll start listening.🤡
@@kpop-spy I'm praying you start making bank by telling the big 4 to do their job and stop abusin everyone. Are you a college student? If you say you're a teenager I'm gonna lose it, because there's no way minors nowadays are this well-spoken
I'm a fearnot so obv i'll have a biased opinion but personally i like how members actual experiences and opinions are put into the music, ofc we'll never know how much tho. And their vocals are weak in some cases because hybe gives them songs that are out of their vocal range, in their softer songs they do great.
For twice recent comebacks I don't think that it sucks cuz beside set me free and one Spark which is good but not like their previous songs but moonlight sunrise and i got you are very good songs with beautiful MVs it didn't received much attention doesn't mean it's not good
I'm starting to hate the big4, they make everything so hard for groups from smaller/less known companies, and not for their good music, but for the fact that they always do that payola to get high numbers or fans from the companies that would buy or stream anything... it's so unfair and unrealistic (in my opinion) I really don't like Ahyeon's voice, she has good technique and all, but her tone annoys me so much, is the same case as Soyeon and Harvey (nothing personal) And a personal opinion of mine, Purple kiss is one of the best 4th gen groups, literally an iconic discography and it's so sad that rbw doesn't promote them better 😢
Wow that's the nicest thing you've ever said about baemon even if it's about a member.Knew you don't like the girls songs but was hoping you'd be touched by like that 🤣.A Stan still waiting to see you change your mind
I wish Lesserafim had kept Garam because she would have fit in all the concepts so well releasing Unforgiven with Garam would have been badass and Easy after everything would have been chefs kiss,but ofcourse Hybe can’t take the risk
TWICE never flopped. The ggs against TWICE in music shows used illegal means to win. Payola. TWICE is THE pop girl group in korea. Other gg are just marketed well but has no authentic music stance. Not to mention kpop getting bland every day and the groups that actually has great songs don't even win in music shows. Rich gets richer, poor gets poorer. Anyone who believes in charting and music show wins are blinded. Because everything is rigged these days.
Nah. the comments about voices being loud are literally just nonsense because they're obviously just straight up hating because there's nothing they can actual say. all those comments about Lily's voice being loud and they don't like it are the same. "omg, she's really good at singing, my faves could never. I need to hate her and her group so what should I say, hmm I hate her voice" that's how it goes. there are some comments on Lily's cover of Ive's I AM that she's just screaming. lol what on earth are these people smoking. Have they ever heard the original song? she's literally delivering it the same way as the original.
I agree with some of these but you should word things better. It is not the idols faults in most of these (concepts, etc.) they just do what they're told to.
Now Kpop stand always attacking each other and the groups they stan. I miss the day when I can stan all groups without have to see their fans attack each other and I have to choose side . 2009 was the best time to like kpop.
1.Yunjin and chaewon are saving le sserafim. 2. Twice flopped ,let's be honest they fell off ab its okay to accept this fact without being called as "anti" 3. Seunghan deserves so much better, I feel bad for him. He trained for years in that sm dungeon only to get kicked out just cause he dated. It's so unfair. Sm sucks 4. Ahyeon,lily,Belle and ningnibg are best female vocalist of their generation, they are just too good 5.kiss of life is doing wayyyy better than big 4 groups ,they just need a big company. I still hope that they pull a gidle and blow up. 6. Bts hyung line has better music and talent that privileged line sorry maknae line. But they lack the payola and promo from the company. At the end of the day hyung line is still richer than maknae line, nobody cares about those manipulated streaming farms numbers in real world. Hyung line got all the royalities and credits and critical acclaim unlike privileged line. 7. Bg music is unlistenable and repetitive. Gg music is better
Hyung line is richer than maknae line? Did you mean their net worth or smth? But,lets not bash maknae line for being successful, just do our thing for hyung line too.
Most of the time, I don't feel any sympathy for Idols. Because SM(many others too) have a horrible track record when it comes to how they treat their idols. Why idol trainees keep signing with them is something I'll never understand (desperation, maybe). It's like dating a guy who has a history of domestic abuse towards their partner. You get into a relationship with him and then act surprised that he's abusing you too. If they are minor, why do the parents allow such a thing? (The parents' fault). But this is more so about the consumers who complain. If some consumers complain about mistreatment, they should also look into themselves and see that they are also contributing to it by buying the company's music (not the idols music, but the company's music cause majority of idols don't write/produce the music. Most of the money goes in their pockets. They own the royalty, etc.). These companies don't care about the well-being of their employees. Money is their only motivation. And as long as the consumers keep giving them money, they will never stop. So what im saying to the consumers is, STFU, if you're not gonna do your part (if they complain, that is).
Awww you sound like you love Lucas so much , I love how you are updated with everything he does. He does seem to have that effect on people whether they love or hate him . Gosh.....I love him so much . I hope you continue to show your love for him .
Somebody got my point with sm is fake my comment saying it's like Lucas gets the golden spoon an vip pass please plus it's just not fair while sunghan sm proceeds to probably kick sunghan out like wtf 😒😒😒💔💔💔.
The thing that bothers me is that, what Lucas was accused of was way worse than Seunghan and he still came back. Albeit it took a few years, but after seeing how Lucas became NCT's it boy, i guess SM wants to get that feeling back. But i doubt it'll be successful because we don't even know if what he was accsued of is false or not because SM would rather makes artists apologise than address it
I get ppl’s point but it’s not the same AT ALL. No one in SM deserves what happens to them tbh. What happened to Seunghan is the ‘fans’ fault and now he has to go through SM’s degrading ritual🙄
speaking about blackpink dont know what to do is the worst song ever everthing about this song is bad the instrumental the vocals and you can hear rose voice strained
Im in the middle about this because there's not enough evidence but SM didn't deny it and instead made him apologise?? Seunghan didnt even do anything bad, he just had a relationship in high school and it doesn't warrant putting him on hiatus. Personally, i don't think Seunghan is coming back any time soon cause it's clear SM has their priorities
@@baoziday5178 yh but thing is sm and other ent companies makes artists apologise even if they arent in wrong .and lucas never specified wht he apologised for and mostly it was cos whatever happened caused harm to team .aka being in scandal .i dont think that equal to admitting anything hes accused of
@@baoziday5178 cos if im gonna be real ive seen more evidence that he’s innocent if anything.like tht accuser even used a pic from him in wayv dorm but labelled it as something else ? How can i trust the accuser when thats the type of ‘evidence’ im seeing
@@sabiaakthar1613 yeah, the evidence was just lacking so much, yet he still got so much backlash. That's the thing I don't understand about Korean society, they're quick to think someone is in the wrong for the smallest things yet there's absolutely nothing to prove that they did it. Everything about SM is so confusing...
