Reacting To Overwatch 2's Head Of Balance Interview 

Just so you guys don’t waste your time, they don’t mention 6v6.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="448">7:28</a> it was announced that it was "in the works” and that was about it. We literally didn’t hear a single thing about it after that.

thank you for speaking up about the hp changes in season 9 not being necessary and why we should have rather nerfed healing instead! Thank you! fingers crossed we can get this out more because the game hasnt felt like overwatch recently, its been feeling like paladins with those changes

Spilo: "how do you feel about the state of tank" Alec: "well we think that for the state of tank that tanking is being a tank and tanking in the game and the philosophy behind tanking, that the balance team and i have, behind tanking is like we make a tank and we believe like tanking is to be a tank and doing that like thats how we see the game as like a tank and the team sees that too."

If solo tanking still feels bad after the tank tweaks were live for a while, they need to start looking back to 6v6. I would love to be wrong but Idk if they can fix the solo tank problem.

Flats should oil up

I call overwatch 2, "overwatch mobile," to my friends all the time, because that is what this game has felt like since October 2022. It is a drop in quality, and most effort goes into the shop and microtransactions.

Not happy that the response to "High skill/effort heroes get countered by low skill/effort" was "yeah but high skill has a payoff" that feels like avoiding the question. Its still annoying that someone can switch to a hero and with little effort involved or potentilly even play time on the hero, lead to the other person switching because its much harder to perform. Just make them not as effective across the board, its not that hard.

Goodbye Lucio's, say hello to Space ranger crunch

Items would kinda suck. It would just be annoying having to buy items when you die. Talent trees you upgrade would have to be like mini reworks, which could work. But meh.

Can you please bring back GROUP FINDER?!?! I used it to create a huge 300 ppl community and I want to continue that trend

me when i see a mahogany tree grow suddenly yet it is already covered in vermin spreading legs

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1567">26:07</a> I agree with your point here Flats but specifically for Venture, maybe she wasn’t that incredible in your lobbies but down here in metal rank land they were basically an auto-win if one team didn’t have a mirror. My games literally were coming down to which Venture was better before they got nerfed.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="283">4:43</a> sojourn is gone in the ranks where people can hit headshots but you gotta understand that a good chunk of community won’t experience that and their tanking experience is still the same

This next season is eather going to be one of the best or worst there is no in between

can’t wait to hear them address 6v6. it’ll be the most important video in the history of overwatch 2 as a whole

I feel like they could implement a system where you can choose the modes/maps you want to play. For example, you only want to play push and escort on a couple maps. The queue would be much higher but this would possibly give the devs a idea of which maps/modes need work due to not being chosen or played enough.

I wish spilo would have pushed back on the segment with venture more since this is kinda his area, and they even spoke about this in the video with pink mercy and the hog vs rein thing to an extent. But when alec says "but shes a little to strong" was it that they were strong? Or was it that they finally released a fun hero with risk to reward and alot of moving parts? Because venture is the first hero with some actual depth, and heros with depth will be played regardless of their power level because people enjoy having something to work towards so i think venture was fine but her stats are just infated compared to most other hero releases because they actually designed a good hero for once and i wish and hope they understand this but it doesnt look like they do. And illari may be some peoples cup of tea but its just ashe with a heal turret, weaver may be unique with alot of fun moving parts but hes a heal bot so you cant really do much with it, queen is fun but has the exact same mechanics as hog just inna healthy package, kiri is just op along with soj so they got played for meta reasons, and outside of that their designs are honestly pretty basic and boring, mauga is just a blotch upon the game and like brig actively ruins the game more. But venture is that first hero theyve dropped that sparked that same feeling i got waaaay back in 2016 and 2019 with genji, monke, lucio and all them and than again when echo and doomfist dropped and i haven't felt that since until venture so i honestly believe they missed the mark on why venture was being played and just flat out ruined our fun like they love doing with genji, their philosophies sometimes feel like its anti fun at its very core and thats always concerning...

Bring back October 2020 6V6 with proper balance and in game incentives

Here is the easiest way i can possibly put the issues of ow2: 5v5 vs 6v6: If monke build store to sell 6 banana, crate hold 6 banana perfect. monke decide to sell 5 banana instead, crate built to hold 6 banana will make 5 banana into mashed bananas. The tank issue: If monke build house with 1 support beam and throw rocks at house, house will easily fall. If monke decide to add second support beam house more stable, but with enough rocks and good accuracy house will still fall.

Venture definitely did not feel strong after that first round of nerfs lmao honestly even the “buff” they gave them with their cool down ultimately is just beneficial for newer players more than anything else. I rarely messed up the combo anyway so tbh I hardly notice anything tbh let’s call it what was, a quality of life change.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1861">31:01</a> something to I guess take in to account as well with pharahs rise is the RU-vidrs tier lists. Sometimes they make a huge difference for player perception

I remember that Bogur video man that was painful 🤣 homie lost his mind, he was somewhere else while playing LW at probably the highest level of competency "it's like I can see the future, I know what everyone is going to do"

The next six months of Overwatch look the same. Miserable :]

I think the reason phara shot up in popularity is because even though she was strong she was still in that state of being too different that people were still trying to play her like the old phara. Then the OWCS finals happened and everyone saw how dominant phara was.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1840">30:40</a> A lot of people in medal ranks swap phara now when they're losing. I was watching a friend of mine play in gold and the enemy team switches phara mercy every time they start losing. Her rocket speed plus the damage boost makes her very difficult to deal with is she's semi good.

To the point at around <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3029">50:29</a> - I returned to OW not too long ago and that's what it certainly felt like as a Support. As a Zen main, this worries me. But on the other hand, it might mean that I swap back to my old main, Ana. Hmm...

So since the community crunch thing that's launched this week I've fallen in love with WB after never really touching him ever. My biggest gripe while playing him is Junkrat's trap, even more so than a hack or sleep dart. Trap basically stuns you for 2 seconds and there's is literally nothing you can do. It's worse than Mauga ult because at least I can still roll around in circles in Mauga's ult. I could be going top speed on ball and then I just stop because the only thing visible on a Rat trap are these 1 pixel long teeth and there is literally nothing you can do. The rat doesn't even have to out play you. Just throw a random trap down, f you hit it you're dead, if you don't he puts a new one down. Even pile driver doesn't guarantee a kill because max damage on pile driver is the total HP of the trap so you literally have to land right on top of it to break it but if you do then you risk setting off the trap on yourself and dying anyways. At least I can try to bully the sombra once I've noticed the swap or try to bait the Ana sleep dart.

I don't personally agree with a lot of the decisions they have made for the game over the last couple of months, especially with the introduction of the passive role. Just give all of the individual heroes a list of passives that they can choose from at the beginning of a match that benefits that hero specifically, and not one passive that the entire role shares that makes no sense. The only change that I'm okay with is the passive healing, which is obvious; the game should have had that at the beginning with Overwatch 1.🙃

they need to fix their servers stuttering first

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2940">49:00</a> love the horse metaphor 10/10 that person was 100% just not paying attention

The thought about passively changing heroes could also take in assets from the scrapped pve mode, that could be interesting and good for recycling scrapped assets

I am probably blinded by nostalgia, but 2cp wasnt that bad. Volskaya and anubis are classics, hanamura also kinda. And i feel like i miss some moments that gamemode gave my. Maybe it was just old ow but those 5-6 wins were great. I am not a high skill player but 2cp>push. Push really feels endless sometimes without any suspense. Because if a team pushes up to the spawm doors but doest cap to finish it u are just stuck 9 mins playing a finished game. Give me ow1 back add flashpoint to it, give kiri the same amount of health as tracer, baps lamp to a damage reduction, get rid of the passives and remove circuit royale that is the end of mybrant and (get rid of roles maybe??)

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3480">58:00</a> this kinda sounds like Gigantic, that game in base does that where you can change your playstyle based on skill tree leveling

You wouldn’t be so nervous to talk about your game if your game was good and you wouldn’t get so much hate about your decisions if they were good ones :/, I’m just saying

they say they try not to play favorites but they keep buffing the damn laser characters

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2280">38:00</a> What he means here is Control Priest and Control Warrior should never be meta because no one will have fun. Not the person playing it or the people playing against it because its just a bunch of sit there do nothing till your opponent does something and if you get into a mirror match yeah you just sit there and look at each other, whoever plays a card first loses

Reinhardt pin doing 300 is only a +25 dmg buff. That's almost nothing. Sure it'll finally one shot 300hp squishies but it's still pitiful against other tanks unless you pin them off the map. Make it 350 so it's back in line with OW1 Reinhardt, cowards

Flats you arent selling a billion dollar product youtubers and devs are not comparable, we saw this a few years ago when they never hopped on camera how we felt…

Now about ⅓ through the video, I realize, there is no need for me to watch this any further. I'm anyways not trusting a single promise or statement coming out of him.. after he shipped that ship to where it's at right now and reading his responses, as the head of balance, he had made over on reddit a few weeks/months ago, I finally accept he was able to kill the rest of my passion I had for overwatch.. it have been nice 8 years, minus the time since the season 5. Have a great one.

I think space ranger might give a fire rate buff. Only one character has this ability and technically both kiri and lucio have a speed boost

So, honestly, I’m very close to abandoning the game. I already did at times. I played every month since launch, but now? Since OW2, I’m taking sometimes 3-4 months long breaks. The magic is lost. It’s just not fun. Bring the 2CP and 6x6 back. You can keep most of the balance changes, just adjust tank damage and the HPs for everyone. That’s literally all. So much of the game was changed for a pointless endeavour. They ruined their game.

I am a junkrat assassin main, and I'm proud of it and have been since season 2 of ow2

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2923">48:43</a> “Too too well” was the perfect comeback. I genuinely want to know what was difficult to comprehend with Flats’ horse analogy.

Any good spots I should know about?

Wow. By the 4 minute mark, homeboy has said the word like nearly 10 times, wild.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3520">58:40</a> I could be wrong but this seems kind of like the paladins perk shop no?

Can someone tell me the clip they’re referring to?

what if when a tank is healed by one healer, the output of the healer with less healing gets cut in half. So you get rid of healing boting because it just wouldnt work

I feel like he says something but literally nothing, just like the balance they do😮

I’d play the game again if they brought back 6v6

6v6.

Honestly I know some of their decision blow, but one thing in our community that needs work is appreciation. We touched on it before that most of these devs have the same passion for the game as we do. Too many people jump down their throats with super heinous comments. We don’t see behind coopo doors but when they try and give us an inch we bombard them with shitty comments and dont ever give them a thanks for taking the time. Just feel we all get lost in the game and forget these people have families too…. Flats I think you tend to preach a good etiquette when it comes things like this .

I really hope they don’t touch kings row, it’s the best map in the game. Hands down

they should add facets like dota has, gives the heroes more options and unique twists on their kits/weapons to fill in the weak pockets of their design, rather than relying on number changes or the occasional kit rework

Idk if im just board but season 11 has been the least fun season so far for me. I have a feeling this next patch will not hit the problems just more buffs and power creep

Ive been saying for months that they should have a resistance passive that includes status (hack, sleep, etc.) and environmental factors (boops, etc.) I dont like it but its 1 tank while other roles have 2 characters

This video just proves that between us normies and you pros, that we are playing two very different games. And that the devs are only care about how you feel cause you have viewership.

Flats with the news again your the goat

I get they'd never do this, but at what point does the answer to balance just become "downport to a version of the game without T, U, V, W, X, Y, and Z heroes"

Am I tripping or does Alec kinda sound like Sasukes dub voice

Saying moira and mauga as the same , is incorrect, both are extremely simple characters with srtiaght forward buttons , but sometjing that moira has to seperate her from easy characters , is that she can get away from being punished for mistakes she made, mauga on the other hand , moves even slower when firing, if u arent tracking ur enemy , u arent getting value out of ur heals, and u cant just hit overrun and get out , u still will get melted because ur a huge target and the enemy team values killing u first over dps, so the wnmy team will be hard countering u , and not the moira

the level system would be interesting... for the high ranks. at low ranks nobody would swap the moment they pick a character. if they did, the levels would have to be so insignificant that you could win without the levels, at that point why even have them? that's my insight on that

I don't feel that anyone should be able to heal more than Ana, at least not without burning a cooldown. If Ana wants to heal more than 70 a shot, she has to burn her nade, but now we have Illari doing 115 with her fire, Bap healing 150 with his burst, Brig has 150 healing on health pack, even Lifeweaver does 80 healing a shot. We need more lower sustained healing, and less super high burst healing.

Anyone notice how much Spilo was interrupting Alex

Is there any Doomfist mentions in this

did they mention genji in this ?

Copying the apex system or introducing items would be awful, just bring back 6v6

could be weird for this one but I do feel that when working on balancing for a game like this its important to keep in some small regards it unbalanced. Having the meta shift as someone becomes better or worse than the rest of the pack is a good thing so long as those unbalanced bits aren't too out of line and changes are frequent enough to prevent you getting sick of a hero you dont like being good or one you like being bad. A little less balanced is always more fun than a perfect neutral. if they got all heros in a perfect spot and no longer needed to change it then one of the biggest reasons to come back to try things out just no longer exists and the characters will begin to feel old. Having new heros intentionally come out a little strong outta the gate to be more friendly to everyone learning and more fun to try for the first time is also a good thing. The most important part inst necessarily balancing everyone to be equally viable but is instead making a scenario where no one feels too good or too bad leaving a little wiggle room for changes again later shifting power around frequently keeping things fresh

Season 9 changes were ultimately pointless and the game hasn't felt good since season 3... Just bring back 6v6 and limit the tank role to 1 shielder per team to avoid the douvle shield bs. This nonsense has been going on too long.

Super random and small thing. Like idk half a year ago I really wanted to learn ball as a doom player who loves movement, but I said nah I don't wanna learn ball as a tank by myself that is gonna be miserable. Same for rein at a couple points I've wanted to learn him. Same for Dva. I've been wanting this game to be what it could be for so long and I know I'm not the only one of course. At this point even if they did everything PERFECTLY and i mean perfectly, I'm so exhuasted from caring and being disappointed about this game that I feel like I'd be cautious to care again and need time to myself first. And this is supposed to be a game. It both shows I care too much and this game is painful to be a fan of if your not pretty casual.

COMPETITIVE MYSTERY HEROES MF WE WANT IT BACK

Mobile Overwatch was a spam ransomware link

Why is that guy's background censored?

💡 I think a good idea would be ability swap, basically give characters more abilities that they can pick and choose from before they respond. Basically for an example you give up one of reaper's ability for his grenade launcher ability that he was teased to have. 👍

Kiriko has speedboost on her ult tho

well we'd really like to change something that no ones asking for, we'll probably make most of the changes that everyones been pointing out for the last 3 years, but thennnnnn we'll throw in a bunch of rubbish and other broken things that will keep you crying for years.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="90">1:30</a>

we do scrims with 6v6 and its great! with some balancing it would be the best.

its hard to not want to boot up val instead of OW2 dude i miss PVE

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="74">1:14</a>:28 So sad to see what OW has become and that major pillars of the community have become pessimistic. To think there was time where everyone was unanimously praising the game (Oct 2020) but not once in OW2's lifetime has the game seen such love as it did during 6v6

Wish they'd hurry up and have another PR scandal cause Overwatch Classic is gonna go so hard

Is he laughing about whatever it was that Freedo did again?

why are people so delusional in thinking that 6v6 will just SOLVE the problems with ow2?

They need to add that group party thing where you can make friends faster

mobile overwatch oh darn so sad we missed that gem.

Maybe overwatch 2 can be saved if that bit at 28 minutes is true.

yeah cause Apex Legends Mobile worked so well

Should just check out paladins for ideas on what the passives will be in overwatch probably similar

Overwatch is legit In freefall even content creators who get paid to don't want to play haha that's saying something I feel like only people who still play are just kids oblivious to all this as well as just new to the game and even the worse games of all time are at least a little interesting when your first playing and it's all new anyone else are just DPS or support players who r terminally online and just want to twiddle there thumbs for awhile and play out of habit more then anything else ... This is how games that feel like they just get dunked on and no one likes but still seem to be played .. dead by daylight ,destiny at times ,call of duty ... And now overwatch

How tf do you talk to a dev for an hour an mention nothing the we actually give a rats about. Dying game

Unrelated to the video(which I highly enjoyed) but plleeeassee more hades content

Coming from another pretentious psychology main here: as funny as the "ahh yes but psychologically speaking" meme is (and it is really funny still) it's one of those unfortunate things that our entire experience of the game is tied to psychology, which makes it unavoidable 😅 - Right? Like if the human brain hated close wins and close losses and balanced fights felt bad, the optimal game state would be way different than it is now and balance might not be nearly as important, overwatch dev use terms like "feels bad to play" or "this feedback rewards this action", it's all psychology, they're just not saying the word 😅 - If you already knew all that: good, I'm happy :) this coment was for those who hadn't yet given this a thought yet

Not sure why it's an interview. A simple "we're clueless, we don't know what we're doing, and the game will eventually die because of it" would suffice.

I hate that they talk about every hero, except Junkrat. Give him a little buff at least like projectile speed

Venture literally sucks. I have been playing them since launch, this guy has no idea what he is talking about. These developers actually astonish me with their takes because their opinions are just based around numbers, not actual gameplay. They don't sit down and play OW like the community does. They. Do. Not. Understand. Their. Own. Game. A game's balance should not just revolve around data and if it does revolve around data then they're failing again because their data shows that Kiriki and Sojourn has been broken for seasons and seasons and nothing ever changed......... Instead let's buff Orisa or Hog or Mauga for no season LOL! Honestly Blizzard is just a joke to me at this point. Platinum or above is just a hell hole for Venture. There is absolutely no reason to pick the hero since the nerfs. Other heroes in the DPS roster just fulfill Venture's role better than Venture does lol. Venture only felt strong to the gold because they have no reaction time and they have no awareness. Venture is one of the most punishable DPS in the game. I have played at all ranks of the game for hours beyond hours and Venture is by far one of the worst DPS and one of the hardest DPS to get proper value on. They killed Venture because of low elo communities perception and high elo doesn't care since they didn't play Venture anyways and Cass/Sojourn/Widow on certain maps is broken as hell so Venture isn't even in the equation. Never has been and never will be now because Blizzard balances around Gold.... R.I.P Venture :(

This guy definitely doesn’t play this game or only plays arcade games

He knows card games, hearthstone, the most unbalanced broken rigged joke ever, he'll be fine switching to overwatch. "how can i best serve this team," pretty sure were not on his team.

6v6 bring it back or game is dead

Can someone just give me the tl;dr