Reaction To German Satire on Islam (Hagen Rather) 

I've been to a show of Hagen Rether once. He talked for over 3 hours and he really is a brillantly-funny observer

astonishing and unusual: the english subtitles are pretty accurate in transporting the meaning of what was said. Not like the usual subtitles that make you go "Huhh?" (german here)

For the timeline: the Spiegel cover with "Papst contra Mohammed" was from 17.09.2006. Hagen Rether mentioned this was a cover from one year ago. Hence, his performance was from September 2007. To be correct it was from the gala show "Scheibenwischer" from 29.12.2007.

You can have any religion you want, just leave other people alone with it. That goes for every religion, esp. the abrahamic ones.

Ich hab Hagen 2x Live gesehen & man ist hin und her gerissen zwischen lachen & vor Empörung schreien Spalten anstatt vereinen... Wir brauchen viel mehr von denen, die vereinen! Schreier & Spalter haben wir mehr als genug Das geht schon tief & spricht jeden einzelnen an Gute Reaktion, danke :)

Aged very well. The show is from New Years Eve 2007 but sounds like it was recorded just a couple of days ago.

I think he is spot on, when it comes to a lot of things but I especially love the insisitence on dialogue and "cosy multiculturalism" because there really is no other good alternative and again and again we get to see the worse alternatives all around the world.

Cudgel might be a mistranslation of the automatic translation. Literally, he said "Prügelkurs" wich means something like "brawl line approach" in contrast to the "soft line approach / Kuschelkurs".

The damage is done. The forces that tried to get a peacfull way with the cultures, with religion lost vs the hate on all fronts. It will escalate and the way to peace will be longer than ever.

This aged like wine sadly, it only got worse since then. :(

There is a difference between Islam and islamic fundamentalism. I don't want fundamentalism in my country - also not Christian fundamentalism as it is quite normal in the US.

Good talk with many good points that are still valid today (maybe even more than back then). But while I understand that satire has to be exaggerated, I disagree with two examples of him: 1. Considering shooting down airplanes with muslim extremists was done in the aftermath of 911. Knowing that a plane will be used to kill people and that the passengers would die anyway was the assumption. Bombing a city with Nazis inside is something completely different. No one discussed bombing mosques just because there were extremists inside. 2. I would consider honor killings to be worse than what's described as family drama (if one wants to put both horrible things on a scale and compare them). Honor killing is in any case selfish and because of one's ego. Family drama can also be someone so deep in depression and helplessness that he/she sees no way or future for the family to have a good life. Of course that's also bad because many times, the family isn't asked and could most probably go on with life even better without the person taking their lifes but it somehow feels worse to me to kill because of a hurt ego.

Hagen Rether is living proof that even atheist intellectuals have a desire for a sunday morning sermon. His morality club strikes in any setting ... (grin, duck & run)

Didn't age well since this 2007 show.

Wow... Leider ist es seit damals nicht besser geworden. Spalten statt versöhnen. Das hat in Deutschland jetzt eine Partei übernommen.

I enjoy these a lot, keep em coming! On a different note: not sure if you've ever talked about this, but is it correct that you're a scottish guy living in Malaysia? How'd that happen? :D

I love your Scottish accent!😊

Early 2007, I guess. He quoted the motto "The world as guest with friends" of the 2006 soccer world championship in Germany with "last year".

Given what has become of Europe in the last twenty years, one can conclude that he didn’t see it coming. I don’t blame him. Back in 2007 we lived in another world.

Aged like milk. I didn't like his last video, neither did I this one..

das ding ist schlecht gealtert

Hey Mert. It would be great if you showed us english speaking satire or comedians you like. =)

Hello, i would like to know who the are british equivalent comediens or shows?

Well, i think the most important thought is that "we" aren`t any better. It makes you feel comfortable (bad spelling, i know) to think that you belong to the good guys. But... it`s all a question of your point of view.

As a German, I sadly have to say, this show did not age well... We Gemans have been very tolerant to everyone who came here. Unfortunately, we now have the radical Islam on the streets in Hamburg and elsewhere, publically promoting the Kalifat. Nowadays we have a big problem with Islamists. And even if we can make a difference between Islam and Islamistic Fanatics, the fanatics don't make any determination. We are all non-believers, that have to be extinct. The Islamists don't care about anyone, except Islamists. I personally don't want a Kalifat or the Sharia ruling over here in Germany. But If we don't stop it right now, we will lose the culture-war against radical Islam. To be honest, that is also true for the UK and the entire West.

Just look at this comment section. This video is just as real today as it was back then. You guys make me sick, blaming your shit on a whole religion

Little correction for the title and description, it's "Rether" not Rather 😇🙏

I love Hagen Rether.

Witnessing the rise of the far right in Europe makes me hope, that I am to old to live to see the result.

The names have changed, the fear, paranoia and islamophobia didn't

terrorism has no religion😂

You wrote his name wrong.

2024. Still no the least reason to criticize Islam and its interpretators. Ignore splitters like Hamed Abdel-Samad, Necla Kelek or Ahmad Mansour. Love the fairness of all these good satirists. It feels so well to be prior to the uneducated masses.

Although I really appreciate his cabaret, I find his rhetoric very one-sided. He would reach the minds he is trying to reach better if he gave more space to the difficult nature of the Abrahamic religions and the existing differences between the cultures. It is shocking how vehemently many people in their comments reject Mr. Rether's statements in their entirety without differentiating or nuancing them. Which only confirms many of his statements. Religion is a relic of a stage of social development that has long since been completed and to which we continue to cling like a drowning man to a sinker. Nevertheless, people who want to practise their religion should be allowed to do so as long as they do not harm other people.

Aged badly considering what we're facing today. Yes, blame it on the religion, it's totally fine especially in the case of islam. But don't blame it on all believers.

As much as I liked him back then, with this he was awfully wrong on so many things.

Today's satire, available at RU-vid reaction in 2035?

Are there even any non-Germans watching this? :D

And nearly 20yrs later we know he was talking pure stupidity. That stuff comes always from people, which are living in their rich areas far away from reality and areas with huge massive problems. Maybe he should live a month arround Franfurt/Main trainstation. And at that time it was already a critical place. Same with Berlin-Neukölln and so on.

Didn't aged very well...

This doesn’t hit home AT ALL anymore! We have a situation in Germany right now with massive rise in criminal knife attacks that can be attributed to muslim asylum seekers, we have a general rise of criminal attacks, 1,9% by Germans, 14,7% by migrants….sexual group grapes have risen extremely high, much more than three times in just one year, let alone compared to numbers before 2015. As a former green voter and NOT an AfD voter, I am completely in agreement with all the headlines Hagen tried to drag into the dirt….it’s all come true now! Just as in the UK, where hundreds of thousand pro H@m@s demonstrators put fear into the hearts of Jewish citizens, or in France, where due to Islamic immigrants from former colonies the Jewish population has diminished noticeably…. Islamophobia was a word that has been introduced by Iranian intelligence, and it has worked very well for decades…no more…..!! We want to feel safe in parks, walking back home in the city after partying…that’s nearly impossible due to the massive danger the uncontrolled immigration by males from Islamic countries has done to not only Germany. No, thank you

There is no change since ever. Open your eyes and see history. I had a great history teachter. he always teached us: "Ask yourself: Who benefits from this? ". The evil started when the local area, the local food, the local leisure wasnt enough any more. RU-vid, Travelling, Instagram, etc. Nothing made the world better. World wars, bomb, great wars, etc....for ressources. I didnt say everything in so called globalisation is bad. I live my pipe with the tobacco. I didnt mean the 1-2 locals who travelled for trade and exchange ressources like seeds, etc. I mean the increasing people which think and desire too conquer and empower the world and lile to get everything. Peace means to be curious, to willing to learn, to be open-minded, but to keep the local are and accept borders. Any war, any great conflict, any poverty, ask yourself: who benefits from this? You get always the same answer. Dont be silly and follow idiots.

As much as I like Hagen Rether, his style and his different-to-many approach to complex topics...this piece of him aged as bad as milk.

Not a well aged Performance.

1st

Der Mann ist nichts besonderes

This has aged poorly, I doubt even someone like Hagen Rether would have the nerve to defend this stance nowadays with how things are currently looking.

I think it's time to move on to some videos that a relevant not only for Germans that are 50 years old.