Pappa ante portas (father at home) was Loriot's second and last cinema film. It is hilarious and absolutely worth seeing. Heinrich (Loriot) is forced to give up his job as deputy director of a factory. As a result, he is now at home more than his wife (Evelyn Hamann) would like. This scene takes place directly after a big argument between the two. Neither of them wants to let on, which is why the conversation is somewhat disrupted.
@@christophhanke6627 Ach Mist. Und ich dachte ich könnte jetzt einmal meine Lateinkenntnisse anwenden und dann war jemand schneller. ;) Es heißt soviel wie "Papa steht vor der Türe", wenn man es ganz frei übersetzt.
you need to watch the entire movie. The couple with the son had a big fight before this journey, and within this silence marches the entirely annoying other couple, telling them how much they agree with each other (like we're the perfect couple). Everyone knows relatives which behave in a way that you want to shout "shut up" when they just open their mouth. Loriot celebrates this with this train journey, where there is no escape from each other, nor from the relatives on the other side of the table
Many clips from the movie will only really make sense watching the full movie. Loriot is a master of all the little details, so much of the humor sometimes boiles down to a single line - that seems ordinary by itself but in context really gets the point. The male character he likes to portrait himself is somewhat awkward - a bit as if he is rhe only one who struggles in life - like it feels to many. The Scene in the train plays into it: he had a fight with his wife and is confronted with ths "seemingly perfectly harmonious" couple. As external observers the audience can see the scene as it is, but the characters are trapped in it.
Best part is, when Heinrich Lohse wants to explain the facts of life to his son: "You...ehm.. the young lady you recently...ehm...is she your... is she...ehm...is she in the same class as you? And when you two are, well, when you are together...ehm...how is that, if you are so...ehm... Look...ehm...your mother and I, we are not old by nature, not born old...ehm... the most important thing is...ehm..espacially, if you are young, then the body is...ehm... that is only natural. So, the physical, I mean. Men are, and women, too... think about that! Espacially because I mean well for you. Do you understand?" - "Mhm" - "Nice, that you spoke about everything so openly. Women also have something good about them."
I think this is only the second best scene, narrowly beaten by "Krawehl, Krawehl", the lecture of the famous author where every little detail adds to the suspense, including the extremly loud screeching of the author's leather jacked... not sure if there exists a version with English subtitles on youtube, though.
Loriot is by far the greatest "comedian" we've ever had. He held up a mirror to the Germans like no other in an intelligent way with exclusively soft tones. And the interesting or funny thing is that he prepared his films, among other things, with a meticulousness and perfection that confirms all the stereotypes about Germans. I saw in a documentary how he spends hours discussing even the smallest details such as the "right" wallpaper, which you can see in the living room of his house in "papa ante portas", for example.
ALLE Klischees der Deutschen ? Alle menschlichen Klischees !! Besonders lustig die Eheszenen. 👌 Mal abgesehen davon war Loriot Jahrgang 1923. Diese Szene wirkt zudem eher so kühl und förmlich wie das Klischee das man über die Briten hat 😅
Dear Mert, I agree with my predecessors: Papa Ante Portas is a classic with so many lines that have stuck with the German people, it is really worth watching. To give you some context to this scene and points you've raised: a) The whole setup of the movie is, that Loriot's character gets retired and now spends more time with his family. Everybody is a bit enstranged to each other. Right before this scene there's a fight between Loriots character has with his wife (why she doesn't want to talk to him and makes her son do all the talking). In the aftermath of their fight, they have to take the train with the sister and her husband together, to go to the birthday of Loriot character's mother. Irm Hermann, who plays the aunt of the boy, was also at that time an established actress who became also famous with Rainer Fassbinder (who you will eventually stumble upon, if you look into German cinema). He, also, was talking about human alienation a lot. He used to direct her in a way, that might seem a bit stiff and off, to underline the alienation effect and the difficulties to connect on the human level. There's also an aspect of passive aggressiveness to it. So Loriot kinda took advantage of this style and gave a certain tribute to it by directing the scene how he did in this case. To German it gives a cringe-feeling how they behave and talk. Loriot portraits with this scene couples, which always have to show themselves in harmony and without dispute, being perfect, which gives them the advantage to have the moral highground to judge others. Also the way he eats the sandwich already shows how closed up and depressed they are. Later in the movie, their "unity-no-matter-what"-attitude gets shaken. In that moment they do have different opinions they can't agree on. She notices that they never have opposites opinions to which he replies: "then please join my opinion so we don't have to have opposing ones". 🤣
There are SO many quotable lines in this masterpiece! 'Mein Name ist Lohse, ich kaufe hier ein', 'Was machst du denn hier? - Ich wohne hier! - Aber doch nicht jetzt, um diese Zeit!', 'Du Guter!'... Basically, the whole movie!
You have to watch the party at the end of this film - it's the mother's/mother-in-law's/grandmother's 80th birthday. 😂😂😂 "Are you family?" "No." "Lucky you!" 😂😂😂
Pappa ante Portas is an abolut masterpiece. It give a great impression of the well-situated Western German society. The movie is about Heinrich Lohse (played bei Loriot) upsetting the entire routine and carefully maintained structure of his family when he suddenly and unexpectedly is retired. In the scene shown above, the Lohse couple had a heated argument beforehand, which is why the atmosphere is very tense - in stark contrast to the demonstratively displayed superficial harmony between aunt and uncle. Loriot's wife plays Evelyn Hamann, who was his congenial partner in many sketches for years.
The perfect work wife for decades, always on point, then she died at age 67 Evelyn Hamann - 🇩🇪Wikipedia ( DeepL) Loriot said goodbye to his deceased partner Evelyn Hamann in the Beckmann programme on 29 October 2007 with the words:[8] "I have lost a loyal partner and we have all lost a wonderful actress who always managed to overcome the difficult aspects of life through comedy." Addressing Hamann himself, he added: "Dear Evelyn, your timing was always perfect, only today you were out of sequence. Well wait..." de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Hamann
Such a happy couple, together for twenty-one years an always have the same opinion and there have never been any arguments. Exactly my sense of humor.😅
The perfect work wife for decades, always on point, then she died at age 67 Evelyn Hamann - 🇩🇪Wikipedia ( DeepL) Loriot said goodbye to his deceased partner Evelyn Hamann in the Beckmann programme on 29 October 2007 with the words:[8] "I have lost a loyal partner and we have all lost a wonderful actress who always managed to overcome the difficult aspects of life through comedy." Addressing Hamann himself, he added: "Dear Evelyn, your timing was always perfect, only today you were out of sequence. Well wait..." de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Hamann
The egg-peeling Aunt Hedwig is played by Irm Hermann, a "Fassbinder actress". She appeared regularily in the films of Reiner Werner Fassbinder who is considered to be Germany's most influencial movie director after WWII.
The movie is fantastic. You should watch it, definitely. This scene happens after the couple with the son (the main characters) had a crisis in their relationship and a big fight. So the other couple made a giant song and dance about how perfect their relationship is (which it isn't, which is discovered later...) to the point where it is super cringe in order to really rub it into their faces. At the same time, he shows how you try to cover awkward silence with even more awkward smalltalk (something that Loriot masterfully implements many times in his work). And you can see how both couples very courteously hate each other. :D There are so many great scenes in that movie, you could watch and react to any really.
One of Loriots greatest gift is his ability, to express the most hilarious things in a very sopisticated language. And together with his absolute unique way of intonation and pronunciation and his voice he makes fun of the most straightforward words and sentences. People of the 1970s and 1980s cannot hear a simple „Ach was“ or „Ah ja!“ without bursting into laughter .... Me, too! And besides, sometimes he expresses things that sound quite "saucy" but expressed in a perfect German, so there is a large contrast between the literal content of a sentence and the real meaning. "Zweideutig" we say in German, that means "double-meaning". Keep on with Loriot, besides a lot of his scetches I recommend his 1. movie "Ödipussi" (whose title is a combination of Ödipus and Pussi, which is a word for cat and especially for ... well, you know. lol) The scene in the psychological office is unbeatable. Tja, „Männer und Frauen PASSEN einfach nicht zusammen!“ (Men and women just/simply don’t fit together!) LOL Liebe Grüße aus Franken!🍀
The humour doesn't lie in the actual words, but the atmosphere of the entire situation, the stiffness is what transforms this scene into one of the greatest scenes in any Loriot movie. It's timeless and I believe that any German (of my generation) can lipsync this entire conversation. It's become imbedded in our commonly shared German cultural heritage.
You just made Loriot the greatest compliment. What else may a creative mind wish for than being part of the commonly shared cultural heritage of a nation.
I'm usually not a big commenter, but your reactions to Loriot sparked my interest.. If you want to get to know German bureaucracy from mind and mouth of a German bureaucrat, I really can recommend to you either the entire movie or the 9-part-live-recording of the Willi Winzig series. 😉
I recommend watching the whole movie. It is packed with great scenes and dialogues. Such as Heinrich Lohse doing groceries for the family: "My name is Lohse, and I'm going to shop here" right when entering the store.
Pappa ante portas is a play on the words "Hannibal ante portas" meaning Hannibal the great war chief is at the gates which was the worst case. So in this movie having the father at home is the worst possible outcome. There's a documentary about making this movie and Loriot was professional about every little detail from how the walls should look like to even the door handles.
It’s definitely worth watching that movie! Though I wonder how well this kind of humor translates into English. Most likely not so well. Loriot had a very special, yet fantastic, unique and unmatched kind of humor with a strong, dry, sometimes even uncomfortable sarcasm. With his very fine finesse, he was able to find this kind of weird side in everyone of us and held a mirror up in front of us when he only needed to exaggerate it just a little bit. That makes us laugh about those very, very strange characters we see on screen, sometimes not realizing, that these characters are ourselves actually. He was one of a kind and possibly the greatest (very German) comedian of the whole generation. R.E.P., we miss you (and the Mops Dogs, as we could learn from you, that life without a Mops May be possible, is without any sense, however 😂)!
they are riding to a big family meeting. its about meeting family members that you wouldnt like to see in your life but you must, because of these family meetings. and all this "friendly" falsehood.^^ and about the german style of "small talk".^^
I am happy you watch our (not that very old, but somewhat forgotten) old Germany Comedy movies :) The konservative woman is Irm Herrmann. She was a big Actress especially of the Seventies and Eighties. She worked together with the well-known director Fassbinder. But the Others are great and well-known actors as Well. What is so special about the acting in this scene here is the aunt's and uncle's choice of vocabulary and their (Not) expressing them also with their faces. For Germans this scene ist highly funny. Thank you for watching our masterpieces ❤
It is typcal for the 70s and early 80s in Germany. My English is too bad to go into Details. I growed up like that. And thats why its so funny for me to watch this because Loriot is really takes it to the extreme and exaggerates massively. Funny that you like it and "understand it"
I always wondered whether Loriot can be culturally communicated to non Germans and Austrians. Every scene more often than not is loaded with a background - and that in the most entertaining, funny and elegant manner - of typical 'Germanisms" that an audience to fully grasp that should know Germany/Austria pretty well.
Hello Mert! (Evelyn Harmann TV Ansage ) ! Check that out please The Lady on Lorios side talking in finest English tv speaker in a short clip!please! A lot of English towns and so on realy funny! Sorry old German guy 😢bad English 😂❤
I do love this movie and have watched it many times. The rather stiff couple in the clip absolutely reminds me of people I have met, especially in the North of Germany where I grew up. VERY civilized people, no sense of humour and no time or respect for less PERFECT folks. I do hope there is a version of the movie with subtitles and you get to enjoy it.
Ante portas is roman latin and means at the (city) gates. The well known phrase is from Cicero and in original "„Hannibal, credo, erat ad portas“ or in short Hannibal ante portas. This was terrible news in ancient Rome and Loriot plays with this by reflecting the father (Pappa) with Hannibal.
The Evelyn Haman - Loriot couple had a major row shortly before and therefore are not on speaking terms. But they are passionate in their way, contrast to the other couple, always agreeing on everything but without life.
Oh please watch the whole movie! I'd love to see you reakting to it. ❤❤ It's just a masterpeace, and you'd understand the scenes much better it it's context
This is such a fantastic movie, the family dynamics in this scene are hilarious, but even more so at the grandmother‘s birthday party later. Loriot just nailed it. His other movie „Ödipussi“ about a middle aged man finding romance despite his dominant mother is also a must see.
Yes, pleeeeeaaase watch that movie, there is a scene with a poet who does a public reading and gets the hiccups, it's one of my favorite scenes ever by Loriot
It's one of the 4 German movies, that are pretty much mandatory to watch as a German. The whole movie is comedy gold, every scene is iconic. Another of the 4 mandatory German movies to watch is by Loriot too: Ödipussy, but Papa Ante Portas is arguably the better one of the two.
The story goes something like this: Loriot travels with his wife and son to a family celebration in the then still socialist GDR. Things are going wrong in the marriage, quite the opposite to his brother-in-law and sister-in-law. The son is initially not enthusiastic about the trip. But he also finds girls... The perfect family meets, but with taunts under the table... The film was a success in East and West Germany
The punchline is that *both* are right. Both, my sibling's partner's sibling *and* my partner's sibling's partner are my Schwippschwager:in. It's just a twice removed marriage thing.
I taught a German class and had my course participants reenact this scene. We also watched the film. The director of our instutute was absolutely enthusiatic about the reenactment. The scene has to been in the context of the argument of the couple who refuse to talk to each other during this phase of the plot. It's all about the pronunciation and stress of the sencteces that makes it such an epic moment of German film, especially Christine Hörbinger. From today's point of view it's kind of old fashioned.
Hi, Loriot is the best. There is another best one, called Hape Kerkeling. You should watch his copy of Queen Beatrix, aswell a musicscene " Hurz". He learned from Loriot to bring the german characters to a stupid point.😂
Loriot has very nicely caricatured petty-bourgeois façade philistines at this point. Unfortunately, the scene is taken a little out of context and therefore not necessarily understandable. But since you're British and have had enough contact with English people... That's a German variant of the English "Stiff upper Lipp"... Btw... Both movies he made, are worth to look at!
It's a wonderful movie, easily one of Loriot's best works, endlessly quotable. It's about the crisis of a married couple after the husband is sent into early retirement and creates chaos in the home.
The background: All of them are travelling to a family reunion on the seaside. The couple with the teenage son are having a crisis and aren't currently on speaking terms, while their in-laws sitting opposite pretend to be in perfect harmony to a ridiculous level, even though they're hypocrites.
The couple on the right with the boy have some trouble since the man is at home. They are on train with the oh so happy and perfect couple and try to act normal. Wich is very difficult.
Another funny scene of this movie is when Loriot a former purchase agent in a pipes company is going to a supermarket and behaves like he'd be still purchasing for a company. "My name is Lose, I'm purchasing here."
The whole movie is absolutly worth watching it. shows some absurdity of social behaviour in general and of course "Spießertum" in special by using comedy style (guess thats what Loriot wants to deliver anyway always). but dont ask me what "Spießertum" is called in english, have no clue.
You need to watch the movie before this scene. Renate and Heinrich (Evelyn Hamann and Loriot) have a sincere crisis in their relationship at that moment (for that reason, she does not address him directly but tells her son to forward her words to him). Sitting opposite to them are her sister Hedwig and brother-in-law Helmut. It is not only their sitting position; they are a caricature of the "perfect couple". However, this perfection is almost frozen in some kind of artificiality, maybe masking some possibly even worse alienation, hidden under this ostensible harmony.
Loriot is not special, he is very special 🙂 The better your brain, the faster you realize his multi-level performance. Timeless great. Watch the whole movie. It's far beyond what you've seen before 🙂
German comedies are a a somewhat difficult topic in my opinion, because they are either mostly not funny to a broader audience (or not funny at all) or they pander to such a broad audience that the comedy becomes just as boring. But Loriot somehow took all that that is so very German and not funny at all and made it extremely funny, the awkwardness, the being extremely organized and structured and desolving into chaos when it is not. Loriot truly understood the soul of the German Kleinbürger (petty bourgeois). He is missed in German comedy. Pappa ante portas (latin, literally meaning father in front of the gates, in context it means, as minimal_Sonntag pointed out father at home; also it refers to the historical event when Hannibal, a Carthaginian general and statesman who crossed the Alps and attacked Rome and it is said that when the Romans realized that they proclaimed "Hannibal ante portas" - so the title could also refer to an impending doom since dad's home) and also Ödipussi are Loriots 2 movies and are both very watchable. If you can, watch them with a native German speaker, because the subtitles can only help so much with understanding, a lot of the humor comes from the context and understanding some things that were normal in Germany in the 80s. Loriot also made quite a few skits, most famous among them is the Noodle Skit and Christmas with the Hoppenstedts (Weihnachten bei den Hoppenstedts), I also recommend them. Sorry for all this text and I hope the information a included is correct.
I mean,I'm 30, so I can hardly relate to it,but to me this scene shows the typical German trait of being completely contempt with each other in public, but wait until nobody can hear us.. then there will be hell to pay. Also a deeply engrained unease with conflicts that might require you to get loud. It probably has changed a bit since the 70/80s due to foreign cultural influences and the, please don't take that the wrong way; I'm sure you as a Scot can relate to what I'm trying to get across, "dilution" of what was considered to be "typically German character traits 🙄" (the eye roll belongs to it). 😅
I think the sequence "Herr Lohse beim Einkaufen" explains the setup of the movie the best. It is about the sudden retirement of the man of the house and how this makes the family order which was established over decades fall apart. One essential and most funny part of the movie is showing how he is trying to apply the rules of this work to how to run the household which can be seen in this and many other scenes. Unfortunately it doesn't come with reasonable English subtitles. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Dn_NT26T9AI.htmlsi=SFqmx4AW06lelGnm
Don't watch tiny clips of the movie. To get a better understanding of the movie just make a full movie reaction and I pay for your patreon for an uncut video.
My favorite scene from the movie is "Krawehl, Krawehl". Unfortunatly it doesn't translate into english well, because there is a lot of made up german in there.
I think we should keep in mind that this movie is quite old by now and the characters might not be that relatable anymore. However, I think the characters created by Loriot often were a bit over the top on purpose. The aunt and uncle in this clip seem extremely stuck up to me and like they try to come off as perfect. If I remember correctly, in the movie they actually indeed try to seem like they're better off in life and even better people than the main characters played by Loriot and Evelyn Hamann. And of course they also are a perfect married couple. I find them pretty insufferable and scenes with them are kind of hard to watch for me, because they can be so cringeworthy (and actually, yes, in a way the aunt reminds me of someone, who (unfortunately) is long gone by now, though).😅
