A few years ago we boarded our plane at SNA after a trip to Disneyland. And as we were boarding the pilot gets on and says, "Folks, we don't want to rush you, but Air Force 1 is due to arrive at Vegas about the same time we are. We'd sure like to beat them in so we aren't stuck in the air, so if you could all take your seats as quickly as possible we'll get on our way." Everyone kind of paused for a second and then settled in. Was the craziest takeoff I've had in a commercial jet. When we hit altitude the pilot pushed over hard enough that we got a little bit of negative g. I'm sure he wasn't allowed to go flat out, but I'm also sure he requested to push his speed as much as he could because it was the quickest SNA - LAS run I've ever been on. "We're beginning our descent into Vegas and it looks like we're going to be one of the last handfull of planes allowed to land before Air Force 1 shuts down the airspace. Glad we could get you to Vegas on time."
SNA also has one of the steepest take off angles in the country so that feeling was probably the normal feeling we all have when leaving SNA. They have to rise quickly and cut the engines so the rich people in Newport don't get angry. After getting used to that takeoff angle, normal takeoffs feel so slow and shallow!
@@mtnbiker432 Yeah, I've flown out of SNA a number of times and it always is a rush. This just felt more so. Maybe it was just a psychological thing because we were "racing" to beat AF1 in. That's likely all it was. Either way, it was a fun flight. :D
@@borkingdoggouwuuwuw The pilots don't know why there is a TFR though. They get scheduled for many things, not just AF1. So far all they know it was something mundane going on.
Those controllers are champs. Trying to get out as many ppl as possible before shutting down. Heck yeah! I never knew air traffic control was such an intense job
He sounds pleasant enough. I doubt that he's missing on any sleep about it, though. He also sounds confident and maybe even proud of flying a PIP. (pretty important plane, scnr ;-D )
I didn't know, either, but watching the video, I was able to figure it out in context. It was either Temporary Flight Restrictions or Totally Foolish Requirements. Temporary Flight Restrictions won out. I still feel that AF-1 could easily land at ANY military base (especially Air Force) in the area. All military bases have landing strips. The POTUS doesn't have to be concerned with ground transportation or collecting his bags, etc. There would be no inconvenience to the flying public. No lost connections. No missed business meetings.
One MercilessMing there are a lot of air force stations/bases that share runways with commercial. PDX is one of those. and also a major hub. I could be wrong but I believe Travis air force base is the "closest" base where AF1 would've been able to land that's not also servicing commercial flights. point is though that the air force does share a number of airports with the commercial aviation industry.
Jeffery Antioquia, While some military facilities may share runways with commercial airports, it doesn't change the fact that AF-1 could EASILY utilize a military base (where security can be much tighter). Instead, thousands of people flying commercially were impacted by a POTUS who, apparently, has little regard for the people whom he reputably serves (not lords over).
@@jefferywilliams8479 More dangerous in civilian airspace. AF1 might have the experience in civilian airspace, but most military pilots do not and are a positive menace in busy airspace.
The sweep they're discussing is a manual search for FOD, Foreign Objects and Debris. This is not optional prior to AF1 departure or landing. They don't mess around with AF1.
@@T33K3SS3LCH3N desecrating everything he touches... as an ex soldier i cringe when that guy makes a salute, or when he doesnt. Because the soldiers, security people around him - actually are competent and earned and deserve the position and rank they have. They watch over him wasting tax money on golf trips, while getting a fraction of a pay and with helluva lot luck survive their service time and end with a small house as their own... or maybe not even that.
Why does AF-1 have to land at a COMMERCIAL airport when there are so many military bases near to the POTUS's destination? It's not as if the POTUS has to arrange for ground transportation or worry about baggage claim.
One MercilessMing+ Air Force One can and does land at military instillation's, but handling not only his aircraft but the several other aircraft's that follow (his motorcade, vehicles, crew, secret service etc) is easier when landing commercial. A military airport most likely won't be as close to his final destination and the route the president takes would have to be secured, which means the secret service will be closing and securing highways and surface streets to ensure they're safe. It's an inconvenience, but one I think most people understand seeing as how he is the most powerful person in the free world. Generally the only people who complain about this are freedom hating assholes. ;)
I was a C-5 flight scheduler for many years and I had to work with the Secret Service folks to coordinate airlift support for their vehicles when the president traveled. What a cluster it was dealing with those guys. They knew they were at the top of the food chain and they weren't afraid to remind you either.
I’ve seen Air Force one at bordeaux (BOD), France. During the G7 in France, he has landed there because the runway of biarritz (BIQ) is too short for a 747………I was really glad to see this iconic plane of our Americans friend………💕💕💕
Gotta love the British pilot accidentally starting his callsign with Golf out of force of habit followed by the ATC making the exact same mistake with November for the same reason (around 4:00)
Not knowledgeable in those terms but I believe it means this: Get shifting right now and move to your destination on the runway at maximum safe speed, if you experience any delays tell us and we need to reevaluate the situation. I have seen enough of Kennedy Steve to know that some pilots are not really concerned to get anywhere quick and then need to be asked why they are not where they should be.
Fun fact: the Boeing VC-25As only get the call sign 'Air Force One' if the president is actually onboard. Any airplane can get this designation no matter the type in which case it will get the same priority as if it was the B747 type of airplane. Traditionally the same goes for the call sign 'Marine One' for any aircraft specifically operated by the USMC, usually a helicopter.
Air Force One Marine One Army One Navy One All for their respective branches. And if the sitting president happens to be on a civilian plane? Executive One
@@michaelkotula6727 (a) When the President is aboard a military aircraft, state the name of the military service, followed by the word “One.” EXAMPLE− “Air Force One.” “Army One.” “Marine One.” It would be Coast Guard One.
It's probably a lot more stressful since everything is essentially put on lock down for the duration of time the president is in the area. I'm sure they feel bad ass but that quickly subsides when they have to tell other aircraft's they can't go anywhere.
+Literally Shitler And then deal with trying to get trough the backlog and get their airspace back into it's nice orderly running they had before AF1 came and messed everything up.
Military aircraft also use a dedicated UHF-AM band from 225.0-399.95 MHz for air-to-air and air-to-ground, including air traffic control communication. This band has a designated emergency and guard channel of 243.0 MHz. Radio aeronautical navigation aids (navaids) use other frequencies.
Doesnt really matter. This is a question of national security. They do their job and everyone else has to deal with it. It sucks but thats life ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ajg8600 Also, sometimes it's logistically easier to land in a city with a civilian airport, especially if there is no base nearby. Clinton visited my town in the 90s and they had to land at our airport because there was no good base nearby.
I don't think a lot of people understand how much comes with AF1. At some point before AF1 got there a cargo plane landed that had the presidential cars in it. The "backup" AF1 was flying with it, it may land at a airforce base though. Not to mention the air force escort AF1 gets while flying. I'm actually shocked it was just a 45 minute delay. And people get so upset when presidents don't load up and head straight to a disaster area. It causes so much chaos it's just not worth it.
The trouble is in this political climate, if people don't like the president they will criticise them no matter what they do. Don't go to the disaster area, they don't care. Fly out straight away, they are taking up valuble resourses and causing disruption just for photo oppertunities. Left or right, republican or democrat doesn't come into it, both sides are as bad as each other.
Melissa, the air force does not escort air force one at all except possibily in and out of war zones. only exception was on 9/11. the air force and secret service reqularly turn down escort offers from foreign countries as well
Harry, the DC metro area is essentially a permanent restriction zone, it's like Air Force One is always there. There is an Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) with a 30 nmi radius, and within that there is the DC flight restriction zone (FRZ).
"Special awareness training is required for VFR flight within 60 nautical miles of the DCA VOR/DME, are you familiar with the DCA SFRA and procedures?" lol
What happens if someone, other then AF1, declares an emergency during thr TFR? Does ATC give priority to the aircraft in distress or does AF1 still get priority?
I actually flew out right after he left. Our flight was about 30 minutes late. I got a pic of it leaving. Funny, everyone was way more excited when Air Force One left than when it arrived……. Don’t know why……………
I worked in aeronautical operations at KJFK. I assisted in handling AF1 movements from the Ragan to Obama administrations'. I'd love to comment on so many things but feel it better not to. I will comment on one question I read way down the list, someone asked where was the back up plane, the back up plane is only used on trips to foreign countries.
Would be interesting to know the timescale here. ATC tells those planes that they have a window to get them out before the TFR, then tells them to stop and shut down. Did they miss the window, or did the window change?
@@kcook8119 "They also say Air Force 2 when the 2nd plane flies." LOL! "Air Force One" isn't a plane, it's a radio call-sign for ANY Air Force plane the president is aboard, and ONLY when he's aboard. "Air Force Two" is the call-sign for any Air Force plane when the vice president is aboard. When both VC-25 aircraft are flying, the one carrying the president would be "Air Force One," and the other would be "SAM (Special Air Mission) XXXXX" with the "XXXXX" being the tail number of that aircraft or the assigned mission number.
It's interesting to listen to, but God, it brings back so many bad memories... I worked at SFO and I remember how President Obama was constantly flying in. After the second time of seeing Air Force One the novelty wore off. Every time it caused huge delays. Despite Moffett field being 20 minutes south, they insisted on coming to an incredibly busy commercial airport because it was closer to the city, even if he was going to an area that was closer to the south bay. We stared calling it "opening the cash register" because he always came to SF to get donations for the DNC.
Yeah, man. Something most people don't get, and why there was a huge stink all those years ago when Obama went to NYC for lunch...just 'cause (or something like that, I can't remember the details.) Point is, not just AF1, but the whole entourage that accompanies the POTUS is a huge, expensive hassle for everyone in his wake, and most people don't get that. Good presidents do.
You morons bitching about Obama say nothing about our newest POTUS fucking things up in Florida every time he heads down to "open the cash register" at Mar a Lago. Knock off your political BS.
I think the only place that doesn't get bothered when Air Force 1 arrives is military bases because they don't have to cease operations in most cases as they are already secure, they do stop all flights but most military flights are cargo (something people don't realize) and unlike at commercial airports where the flight restriction is until the president has left the airport at a military base its only until it lands and has taxied to its parking location
No I was at NAS Lemoore when AF1 landed there it was a cluster fuck. Half the samn field was shut down the entire time it was there, and security was a nightmare to get into ops side of base just to go to our hangers.
i was at Andrews AFB one day on the ramp, the C-5 took off, about 10 minutes later 1 of the 747's took off 5 minutes later the 2nd one did. no big deal everything seemed more normal than the day before
What would happen if such a TFR got into effect at some airport and then an airplane has to declare MAYDAY (a medical emergency, or something other that absolutely prohibits the rerouting to another airport or any delay) and is forced to land?
Emergencies (aircraft in distress) always have priority, even over Air Force One. This is specifically stated in the regulations -- FAAO 7110.65. However, it's unlikely to happen. Presidential movements are carefully orchestrated, weeks in advance. Air Force One is not a "surprise"... the controllers have known for at least 4 or 5 days exactly when it's coming, and the procedures that will be used. Pilots based in the area are also notified several days in advance. Domestic Air Force One itineraries are not secret... everyone knows, well in advance, what is going to happen.
@@ServantOfOdin That's true. I implied that emergencies won't happen, but I should have explained that more clearly. Since the TFR is announced well in advance, the likelihood of an emergency in the vicinity of the airport is greatly reduced. In other words, if the airspace is sterilized and advertised well in advance, there's practically no chance that any aircraft will be anywhere near the airport, in a position to declare an emergency.
hell SWA expedites taxi's all the time. we left tampa one day 40 minutes late engines were at full as soon as we hit the runway. and then sharp turns to get out of the airspace. pilot actually apologized for the turns. we were on time in phoenix. they hauled ass all the way
They were due to have a ramp freeze and shut the airspace down, but they opened the airspace up to allow a couple of aircraft to depart. Very interesting without any delay, right until the airspace shuts down again.
That being said on top of what everyone else had said, the person declaring the emergency would be checked and if they pulled a fast one they'd be in hella trouble. Something like a low fuel emergency they'd be sent elsewhere and if they've become so low they can't make elsewhere they'd be in serious trouble. But a mechanical emergency of serious nature you'd be fine.
VQBLA - That sounds like a pain in the rear as a call sign. Who decides call signs on private planes or are they from the tail number?? Hope everyone's doing good.
just listening to this makes me stressed lol. cant imagine actually being in the tower an controlling them with a 12 minute window until the coolest and most iconic plane lands (AF1)
Everytime I see a movie regarding TFRs or other special measures because of the president I’m stunned by the how far America goes in protecting him. Here in The Netherlands our King flies on legacy carriers between ordinary passengers if the schedules with the government airplane don’t work our or if it is more convenient (As recent as two weeks ago when he and his family had to go Argentina for a funeral; they flew business with KLM). Is America just so affraid that something might happen or is this just part of the show?
I'd have to look at the charts, however, knowing the Reno airport as well as I do, I don't think he'd be able to turn off the high-speeds on 16R into the parking area at the ANG ramp. The guys going there normally taxi to the end of 16R and around.
Mike is somewhat restricted south of the ramp - those taxiways are fairly narrow down at that end of the airport, and they park closer to the intersection of 16R / 25 - that's why he went to the end.
Reduces the need for heavy braking and as stops reduces the risk of overheating the brakes so that if they need to take off again in a hurry, the don't need to wait for the brakes to cool. Aircrat likely to still be on the heavy side too due to fuel, for the same reason
No its not. Nothing in the sky over the US is going to be a threat no reason to send fighters and if there was a threat it would be intercepted WAY before it reach the shores of the US. That fatty can handle itself with its defensive abilities
I have heard multiple myths that they do have an escort to a specific distance, I hear that jets are on standby for a rapid response, who knows honestly
A 747 is quite a bit faster then the vast majority of relatively affordable general aviation aircraft. Don’t think they would need to worry much about avoiding a madman in a Cessna 172, or Cirrus SR22. Would only need to worry about airliners and corporate jets who would all be grounded or well outside the TFR zone.
I can't image AF1 not having a bubble of restricted air space around it. AFBs always have alert squadrons on standby within minutes and I would guess that when AF1 is in the vicinity of AFBs, the alert status is heightened. So ideally, when an aircraft or any other airborne object enters the restricted airspace around AF1.. AF1 would take evasive action and the alert fighters are scrambled and vectored to intercept. Of course I could be completely wrong, I'm just a random guy theorizing what I would expect to be protocol.
Modeltrains160 - Starwarsrocks160 Aircraft in Distress are always Priority. Whether AF1 is nearby or not, that's irrelevant. That's probably one of the few cases where you will see someone else get priority over AF1.
Negative! If the in flt emergency was unable to divert to another field or airport and AF1 is democrat he has to kiss his ass goodbye. If AF1 is Republican they would advise the tower to give priority to the emergency and state they would be 'on the go' and to advise when clear and allowed to land.
D. Geo petty partisanship is fucking retarded. Especially when youre trying to paint a party that hates anyone not rich as caring about an emergency. Theyve been ignoring the opioid crisis for years. But hey keep thinking a bunch of rich people care about your stupid ass. That'll fix the country
It's somewhere between amusing and ironic that I should run across this today, August 9th... At 12:00:00EDT: "Albuquerque center, Air Force One." "Air Force One, Albuquerque; go ahead." "Albuquerque, please show us now as Special Air Mission 26000." "Air Force 26000, Albuquerque; copy all. Have a good day sir."
Meanwhile in literally every other country, ATC treats all aircraft the same, regardless of whether there's a president, king, queen or prime minister on board or not. Apart from the AF1 which, for some unknown reason, gets priority over all other aircraft. I think the Americans are being way too paranoid. The AF1 doesn't just spontaneously explode if there's another non-US-military aircraft within a few miles of it.
Mark Smith I don't think you realize just how difficult it is to intentionally fly an airplane into another airplane, especially if the other airplane is making evasive maneuvers. Because it's HARD. Quite possibly even more difficult than a fighter jet performing an aerial refueling because A) you're closing in MUCH more quickly, B) you're most likely approaching from a very awkward angle and not directly from behind, and C) the target is also trying to avoid you. Not to mention that the AF1 is most likely faster than any regular airliner so they'd be able to outrun them if shit hit the fan.
In the Netherlands, the prime minister shows up for work on a bicycle every day and the King flies the government plane himself and also a KLM 737 to keep himself certified.
At the end, did AF1 cross a runway without permission. I realise that, with TFR, nothing else is moving and AF1 may not need permission, but there is no reason not to ask.
He gave him permission in his taxi instructions. Since nothing was moving he just told him to go ahead and cross so he didn't have to hold short and request.
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