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@eltonjohn3236
@eltonjohn3236 7 лет назад
The professionalism and calm of the controllers and pilots always impresses me.
@eltonjohn3236
@eltonjohn3236 7 лет назад
Ingleprop Noosegarm We should probably appreciate it more than we do.
@theonetruephil
@theonetruephil 7 лет назад
when your entrusted with the lives of hundreds of people aswell as thousands of dollars of equipment you have to be calm under pressure, one wrong knock of a button could cause a disaster.
@AA-xk1uv
@AA-xk1uv 7 лет назад
It's not a big deal for me either, i am naturally calm lol...I don't understand why people loses there mind in certain situation, it does nothing than just make the situation worse
@eltonjohn3236
@eltonjohn3236 7 лет назад
***** I freak out.
@riseoflas
@riseoflas 7 лет назад
elton john beacuse they are highly trained.
@LKokos
@LKokos 8 лет назад
The mic quality of atc is amazing!
@FeNite8
@FeNite8 7 лет назад
100,000 watt transmitters
@sk8gamer773
@sk8gamer773 6 лет назад
Us Canadian are lit
@AlphaFox38
@AlphaFox38 6 лет назад
Its their recording.
@jyotirmoymaschatak2599
@jyotirmoymaschatak2599 6 лет назад
VHF communication
@polskiobywatel553
@polskiobywatel553 5 лет назад
And that's a lot of amps!
@lordofentropy
@lordofentropy 7 лет назад
The "number of souls on board" question is always a bit chilling. I understand it's just SOP in any emergency situation, but it does add a certain gravity to the situation when the question is asked.
@aliff126
@aliff126 6 лет назад
What is 'hazmat'?....stand for what?
@aliff126
@aliff126 6 лет назад
John Doe thanks sir....
@canererbay8842
@canererbay8842 6 лет назад
Yeah, I'm sure there are less dramatical ways to refer to people and it does sound weird and unprofessional.
@timbyrne914
@timbyrne914 6 лет назад
lordofentropy It's a tricky way to determine if the plane carries undead so that emergency services can prepare for a zombie apocalypse
@kookoo275
@kookoo275 6 лет назад
yes it always gives me chills
@OscarDiaz-nn9ch
@OscarDiaz-nn9ch 3 года назад
If the everyone’s mic would be as clear as these two, aviation would be a hell of a lot easier
@SomePerson_Online
@SomePerson_Online 3 года назад
Americans got them Xbox microphones, you can’t even hear half the shit they say
@connorspies
@connorspies Год назад
Any idea which microphones these ATC controllers and pilots are using? What makes them so clear? Or is it the radios?
@xslvrxslwt
@xslvrxslwt Год назад
@@connorspies it's the radios, needs to be like that for the best ratio of quality and radius
@rinleez
@rinleez Год назад
Safer, too.
@666amil9
@666amil9 6 месяцев назад
😂😂​@@SomePerson_Online
@palou1989
@palou1989 3 года назад
You are required to declare mayday fuel when calculations indicate than the landing will ocurr with less than 30 minutes of fuel remaining (at a fuel flow that corresponds to holding speed at 1500ft agl).
@bronzerat012
@bronzerat012 8 лет назад
I guess these are all the things the passengers never know about? Scary stuff.
@MyRandomCommentsXD
@MyRandomCommentsXD 7 лет назад
well it is kinda serious when there is a "mayday"
@Northstar_004
@Northstar_004 7 лет назад
thats gonna be an incident report my friend.
@bradleystephengreen
@bradleystephengreen 7 лет назад
That's just the terminology they are using to declare an emergency. You can tell the ATCs are treating them like a standard emergency aircraft, nothing special.
@MyRandomCommentsXD
@MyRandomCommentsXD 7 лет назад
I don't think so. "Mayday" is actually a very reserved term and only used when the situation is dire and immediate danger is near. The reason why the ATCs are not reacting to it and seemingly treating the "mayday" as standard emergency is because they are well trained to remain calm, so that they can provide calculated directions to the pilots.
@sjcwoor
@sjcwoor 7 лет назад
Agreed. Could have used PAN
@TonboIV
@TonboIV 6 лет назад
Some people have said, "if it's really an emergency, why not go to the closest airport?". I think in this case, Vancouver was probably the right call, even if we ignore the inconvenience of landing a 777 full of passengers in Victoria and focus purely on safety. They were no doubt high and fast at the time. They say the only thing a jet does quickly is cruise. It was going to take them a long time to get low and slow for landing wherever they went. A closer airport may not be practically closer if your speed and altitude are what's keeping you away, not the map distance. 30 minutes of fuel should be plenty to reach Vancouver. They would have been part way through the checklist to land there already. It's their alternate, so they know something about it and are well prepared for that landing already. They're in the right position to land there most easily. Vancouver is the biggest airport around there, with the longest runway and best emergency services. For many reasons, it's the place to land if you have the choice, and with 30 minutes of fuel they certainly did. In an emergency, a controller should offer options, which he did, but he's not in the cockpit, and often not even a pilot. He doesn't know their situation or what's best for them. Did they need to declare an emergency? Maybe not, but I don't know their airline procedures. They may have been required to. Not declaring an emergency isn't necessarily doing the controllers any favours either. 30 minutes is not a lot of fuel in any plane, let alone a big jet. If they don't declare an emergency, but say they're low on fuel, now the controller has to deal with a lot of ambiguity. Declaring an emergency makes things very clear to everyone. The controller now knows exactly what to do. Mayday isn't a four letter word. It exists for a reason, and your wings don't have to fall off before you use it.
@milesaharrison
@milesaharrison 5 лет назад
It's not so much about them being high and fast vs low and slow... They had set up for Vancouver and that would have taken 10+ minutes just to set up the plane for a landing in that airport and it is soooo important to take the time to discuss/brief/check the approach. It's a massive runway, they have probably been there before, the airport has two parallel into-wind runways so if for some reason one runway were to suddenly close, they have options. They are at the point where they are committing to one airport. ATC thinks it's being helpful to offer these options as they think that fuel is the biggest concern, for the pilots, getting it right is the biggest concern. It is a better decision to take it slowly and get it right when there is 30 minutes of fuel remaining, rather than to rush it into somewhere that they don't even know if it is large enough to land/accomodate their aircraft. If they go around, they've probably killed 15 minutes of fuel meaning they are literally running on fumes. That is far more a worse decision than to take another 2-3 minutes flying to a sure thing (eg Vancouver). I can tell you that you would much rather commit to a large multi-runway airport than somewhere that is 10-15 miles closer. That is probably 2-3 minutes extra flight time (in the descent, so not particularly fuel hungry). The name of the game is to get it right rather than rush it into a nearer option. If they have already setup for vancouver, then assuming the weather is reasonable, it is more than likely their best bet! Although committing to vancouver was always debatableas in this instance, there is a good chance of windshear with that wind - but that's another story, but I appreciate it's a long flight so fuel planning is tricky - but you can always offload passengers/cargo and take more fuel... A little food for thought for the youtubers!
@NetAndyCz
@NetAndyCz 5 лет назад
They were set up for Vancouver, they knew the frequencies and taxiways and probably already saw the chart with the map of the area or maybe was to the airport before. They knew they can reach it so they did not need to divert, they just needed to land without being stuck in circuit. Changing the airfield was not needed and it would take time to set up everything and there would be increased risk of making a mistake.
@km356khalifa7
@km356khalifa7 5 лет назад
It was an a380-800
@trombonista92
@trombonista92 5 лет назад
Miles Harrison also, i imagine that if they only have 1 shot at landing, they would like to land in an airport that they know well, they may have been well acquainted with YVR, even if it takes them 10 minutes more to get there, a go around would also take 10 minutes, so they dont have fuel for a go around anyway
@mgraysonhay
@mgraysonhay 5 лет назад
Plus, Vancouver is an amazing city so in the case of extended wait times it would be a good city to explore LOL
@LeonardoBaez
@LeonardoBaez 7 лет назад
super professional communication
@davecrupel2817
@davecrupel2817 6 лет назад
If you know you have enough to make the emergency destination, you have nothing to fear. ^_^
@Matt-fq6ly
@Matt-fq6ly 3 года назад
Imagine the guy filling up the fuel tank afterwards lol probably like oh man they were pretty low
@salaheddin5504
@salaheddin5504 3 года назад
The emirates pilot was really planning a head when he asked for right down wind for another approach in case of missed approach 👍
@samialnaji6825
@samialnaji6825 3 года назад
imagine all the things that happen in the cockpit while you’re probably in the back chilling , enjoying a movie and sipping apple martinis 🍸
@michaelhayden725
@michaelhayden725 2 года назад
You are very correct, this was a 14/15 hour flight so even with two captains and two first officers on the flight deck it would still have been a high work load. Declaring an emergency MAYDAY or PAN gives them priority in landing and choice of airport.
@gracecalis5421
@gracecalis5421 6 лет назад
-Flying an airplane running on fumes while carrying 367 souls -Still tells tower operator to have a good day What a G
@DanielKezar
@DanielKezar 4 года назад
welllll.... in this case, "running of fumes" is more like "enough fuel to fly for 10-20 more minutes."
@simonbecker748
@simonbecker748 4 года назад
@@DanielKezar that is pretty damn close to running on fumes... Planes are required to carry diversion, reserve, taxi and contingency fuel. Thats normally more than 1 hour of extra fuel. So yeah 10minutes left in the tank is a damn close call.
@DanielKezar
@DanielKezar 4 года назад
@@simonbecker748 yeah but its not literally running on fumes. theres plenty of fuel left to make a safe landing or even go around if need be.
@swappy3010
@swappy3010 4 года назад
@grace calis.. good day is said to indicate end of conversation on that frequency and freq change will take place.
@Doggepe
@Doggepe 3 года назад
Haha, fumes. About 4 tonnes or 1300 gal of fuel in this case.
@AAA11546
@AAA11546 5 лет назад
The communication between the pilots and the Controllers was so amazing! I also love how they always repeat the 'command' and the plane number "Emirates 229", of course it is to ensure no confusion occurs between the pilots and ATC, but it's so cool to see as an outsider.
@gregoryconnor9333
@gregoryconnor9333 Год назад
It's mandatory to repeat a clearance.
@MinMin-pc9kv
@MinMin-pc9kv 5 лет назад
For people that keep saying: "30mins fuel shouldn't be a mayday call but panpan" or "I think that 30mins fuel is not an emergency" ...... You are wrong! Once you reach the reserve fuel which are the last 30mins of fuel... You ("have to") should declare emergency.
@s123001234
@s123001234 5 лет назад
Minsy Min thanks for your reply. So 30 min fuel is acceptable to declare mayday. If I already saw the fuel are less no longer then 60 or 45 min shouldn’t I send out pan pan call to let ATC know? Or I can only call mayday when I hit 30 min? I’m still learning , I’m very appreciate your answer.
@justkilian7795
@justkilian7795 5 лет назад
@@s123001234 at 30 mins of fuel left it's mandatory to declare an emergency before that you can advise the atc that you are low fuel but no need for emergency
@s123001234
@s123001234 5 лет назад
JustKilian So, no panpan call but will advise to let atc know low fuel situation before too late. Thank you for your time.😄
@odiasukcamaj
@odiasukcamaj 5 лет назад
Lucas Chuang no once pilots think there fuel is coming to about 45-50 mins and they are still not on or close to being established on an ils then they would say whatever approach emirates 229 50 mins of fuel left do you have eta the atc will respond and depending on the anwser eiter the pilots will declare emergency or atc will give them priority even without them actually declaring emergency if atc is still letting aircraft go first then the pilots will have to declare emergency what u are suggesting is imagine pilots have all engine failure and is plumeting down to earth the pilots will tell atc when they are 20ft from the ground lol anwsering ur question ofcource the pilots will tell atc prior to them declaring emergency
@ricbarker4829
@ricbarker4829 4 года назад
@@justkilian7795 Can you give me a link to regulations that state that?
@platonicforms7574
@platonicforms7574 7 лет назад
This is why standards in English language in aviation is necessary.
@dakrom7599
@dakrom7599 5 лет назад
listerone normally where the send their pilots for trainning
@ybmb1121
@ybmb1121 5 лет назад
@listerone This time its asian, the pilots Korean.
@elvirlm1086
@elvirlm1086 5 лет назад
@Benj P not funny at all
@kevinc6369
@kevinc6369 5 лет назад
English is necessary period. If you're a millennial that can't speak English, go back to mexico
@vjeff777
@vjeff777 5 лет назад
@@kevinc6369 there's millions of people in mexico who speak absolutely fluent english you sad ignorant shit.
@avengedfate9471
@avengedfate9471 7 лет назад
Amazing professionalism and calm by both Control and the Emirates flight!
@legohead6
@legohead6 5 лет назад
I fly out of Victoria Regularly, Usually its on Dash-8's with connections in either Vancouver or Seattle. Its a very small International Airport(its only international because of its proximity and select routes into the states). I cant imagine them trying to process a 777 full of passengers. 737 are about the largest aircraft regularly serviced in Victoria.
@DanielCharry1025
@DanielCharry1025 8 лет назад
The phraseology is strong with this one :)
@RobynHarris
@RobynHarris 8 лет назад
Meessa thinks people are gonna fly.
@kgebczyk
@kgebczyk 6 лет назад
Phraseology & proficiency... In opposite to some other ATCOs on that continent ;)
@leifvejby8023
@leifvejby8023 6 лет назад
As it should be!
@adrenalineonly6622
@adrenalineonly6622 5 лет назад
A bunch of RU-vid pilots & air traffic controllers??? On RU-vid?.. Typicallll 🤦🏼‍♂️😂
@martinjuulandersen9694
@martinjuulandersen9694 5 лет назад
Mayday what? Are you declearing an emergency?
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 8 лет назад
Thanks everyone for your birthday wishes today! I'm so pleased and greatful to have so many people supporting me and my job here in RU-vid! :) As asked via Twitter, this Emirates video was the most voted one and here it is! Hope you enjoy it and LIKE it!! :D
@DJAUDIO1
@DJAUDIO1 8 лет назад
Feliz Cumpleaños
@retiredk9copper726
@retiredk9copper726 8 лет назад
Happy Birthday!
@MrGilRoland
@MrGilRoland 8 лет назад
Buon compleanno!
@KristerL
@KristerL 8 лет назад
You're doing a great job, you deserve all the birthday wishes you can get. Great video!
@shiningbamboo
@shiningbamboo 8 лет назад
生日快乐!
@ucheucheuche
@ucheucheuche 6 лет назад
Something about radio conversation that keeps you listening.
@pking0
@pking0 3 года назад
It's a Canadian thing ;). The magic
@TheRooverdoor
@TheRooverdoor 7 лет назад
Perfect communication and animation.
@rickysandhu3916
@rickysandhu3916 6 лет назад
I salute the professionalism in both the pilots and ATC crew. If I was a passenger and somehow aware of the situation I would have 10 less finger nails.
@FlaThunderstorm
@FlaThunderstorm 4 года назад
What amazes me is how pilots and co-pilots can communicate with various ATC Controllers having to remember and repeat all of the settings spoken, performing the functions the settings call for, yet still pay attention to the already difficult task of actually flying the plane. This does not even include the dizzying task of performing all of this when things go south and systems break down or shutdown. I wonder how many pilots are on edge most of the time even though I guess one gets used to these things in training and through experience.
@RobertoAlvarado-ok6kq
@RobertoAlvarado-ok6kq 2 года назад
That is exactly why is fun to fly bro, so many thing happening so fast and if you make mistake you are done , is like motocross once you take off you better know how to land jaja.
@chwriter7138
@chwriter7138 2 года назад
@@RobertoAlvarado-ok6kq There is a famous saying: you don't have to takeoff but you do have to land
@johnmiller6044
@johnmiller6044 2 года назад
At least they have a pilot and copilot. Try handling an emergency in a military fighter jet when you are all by yourself
@FlaThunderstorm
@FlaThunderstorm 2 года назад
@@johnmiller6044 Being good enough to be a fighter pilot has always amazed me. I guess the intense training that they go through prepares them for anything. I could never be one as I don't believe I'm smart enough.
@xanpollaro3444
@xanpollaro3444 2 года назад
What do they mean by “heavy”
@susanwahl6322
@susanwahl6322 3 года назад
The reason for the mayday is it shows the gravity of the situation. Too many times there are crashes when the pilots don’t and they’re just put “in line”.
@TruckTaxiMoveIt
@TruckTaxiMoveIt 3 года назад
I think you're missing some words
@VarunVarun
@VarunVarun 6 лет назад
Excellent professionalism on both ends. Congrats to all involved!
@neurospizz75
@neurospizz75 5 лет назад
Perfect emergency landing. Calm and professional
@ItachiAnime1
@ItachiAnime1 3 года назад
Ive fallen in love woth this channel. Never would have thought just listening would be so insightful
@Alexgibbo5
@Alexgibbo5 4 года назад
The graphic shows the aircraft missing approach and turning right downwind 08R but that didn't happen, it was just discussed.
@novastrixnfinite7201
@novastrixnfinite7201 5 лет назад
This kind of reminds me of Avianca flight 052 (i think) where they never did declare a state a emergency when they had only minutes left of fuel and ended up crashing very badly after a missed approach. This is why standard communications are so important. I'm actually going over language and communications on the international scale at school right now so this is very relevant
@JuanPerez-vv5lk
@JuanPerez-vv5lk Год назад
LaMia 2933, they crashed in Medellin, Colombia.
@venichen1
@venichen1 6 месяцев назад
@@JuanPerez-vv5lk Avianca Flight 52 crashed near JFK in 1990.
@ChibiSmasher
@ChibiSmasher 7 лет назад
I've been listening to ATCs from US, Canada and Australia and noticed that the ATCs from US speak faster and is less clear than those from the other two countries. I can understanding Canadian ATCs perfectly fine, but sometimes I struggling listening to American ones.
@ifi643
@ifi643 6 лет назад
UruElle the problem n the US they don't use ICAO rules and also not clear atc with pilots.
@mubd1234
@mubd1234 6 лет назад
It's probably because of heavy airspace congestion in the US compared to other countries. I've heard that many American ATCs end up accepting Airservices Australia ATC jobs because the lack of airway congestion makes the job a lot easier.
@KB4QAA
@KB4QAA 6 лет назад
URU: The problem is flight congest has gotten so heavy. Even I have trouble following many controllers on these videos. It wasn't this bad 25 years ago.
@PerciusLive
@PerciusLive 5 лет назад
The airways are much busier in the US compared to Canada. The busiest airport in Canads, CYYZ Toronto-Pearson, only has the passenger flow of a mid sized US airport.
@sampleentry5253
@sampleentry5253 5 лет назад
listerone The hell are you talking about?
@dan_mills__791
@dan_mills__791 7 лет назад
Emirates pilots handled the emergency better than most other emergencies I've noticed
@BollocksUtwat
@BollocksUtwat 7 лет назад
Anybody that flies intercontinental heavies are going to be high flight hour extreme competence type people in most airlines.
@FeNite8
@FeNite8 6 лет назад
+BollocksUtwat not asiana
@user-vp6fo5sv8h
@user-vp6fo5sv8h 6 лет назад
Propel 2015 thats why Emirates are opening there own flying school that will accommodate a private jet to fly through training. They are sick of people coming there for the money and then leaving later onwards so they encouraging now people settled down in Dubai wether they are nationals or not to train and work with them
@downes2845
@downes2845 6 лет назад
danlank I
@Jkstolz
@Jkstolz 5 лет назад
Why did they leave with not enough fuel?
@concise707
@concise707 3 года назад
"When you have a minute, can I have your souls on board and fuel remaining?" "Too many and not enough..." (light-hearted comment from someone who was 'in the job' for 30 odd years - yes, they were really odd!!!) 😉
@BrokebackBob
@BrokebackBob 8 лет назад
Great people, great system and it works beautifully.
@martintheiss743
@martintheiss743 6 лет назад
simply making the decision to transfer oneself from one titled aircraft type to another type of aircraft means that you are not only no longer interested in flying say the 777 fleet, but you are condemned by the carrier's scheduling office to 80 hours of what should be intense observation and training by senior pilots of your new type, and it would very likely be on the other pilots flight schedule to deal with that particular flight as a training event since their partner is not equipped to be trusted alone due to their unfamiliarity with the systems.
@jackyu2425
@jackyu2425 8 лет назад
canadians are polite
@abualifah82
@abualifah82 7 лет назад
Jack Yu except jacques villeneuve
@yuch1102
@yuch1102 6 лет назад
Im sorry, are we too polite? Sorry about that
@bigfoot9013
@bigfoot9013 6 лет назад
The way it should be
@hamoodtatari
@hamoodtatari 6 лет назад
Agreed! :)
@dorianborovina
@dorianborovina 6 лет назад
-"Cleared to land, rwy08r, sorry" -"Roger, sorry" -"Sorry" -"Sorry
@taraann7753
@taraann7753 8 лет назад
Thank you VASAviation another great video, every word spoken between pilot and air traffic could be heard clearly, but my most favourite video has to be your (Aer Lingus) one.
@Akaoni21
@Akaoni21 3 года назад
Excellent communication. Things could go south fast but the crew didn't ponce around, declared a fuel emergency and everyone helped to get the plane down in good order.
@dublinairportplanes
@dublinairportplanes 8 лет назад
happy brithday man great video
@themostfamousheistofalltim3687
I flew on Emirates once, safe to say it was the best airline I've been in. Nice videos btw.
@rinleez
@rinleez Год назад
I love how they declared mayday right away. There was a terrible crash in the past where pilots were put in a hold and were hesitant to declare fuel emergency.
@bassett_green
@bassett_green 2 месяца назад
Avianca 052 :(
@mrpicky1868
@mrpicky1868 4 года назад
my ex wife was on that flight so -1 soul and +1 hazard ;)
@1222dss
@1222dss 4 года назад
lol. savage
@hmdm4584
@hmdm4584 4 года назад
LOOOL Dang
@dx1450
@dx1450 3 года назад
r/murderedbywords
@AhmedWali2212
@AhmedWali2212 3 года назад
LMAOOOO -- Kaboooom!
@philmenzies2477
@philmenzies2477 3 года назад
Rumour has it you siphoned some gas from that plane 😉
@Arundodonax
@Arundodonax 7 лет назад
These videos are so good!
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 лет назад
Thank youu!!! :)
@yaktel
@yaktel 7 лет назад
very professional work!
@ahmetyusufbalc4725
@ahmetyusufbalc4725 2 года назад
Atc's mic quality is really nice
@karla4257
@karla4257 5 лет назад
Currently flying back & forth between DCA & Dubai Monthly due to spouse military deployment on Emirates. By far one of the best flights Ive been on internationally. That's saying alot since I am now on my 3rd double book passport, so I have done alot of flying.
@joopie99aa
@joopie99aa 3 года назад
At 2:11 I believe the ATC says "one half hour fuel". In the on-screen captions this is transcribed as "1h30", which I don't think is correct (this would be pronounced "one _and a_ half hour fuel"). Of course, the wording is unclear, which is why the pilot clarifies "half an hour; 30 minutes".
@carbon1255
@carbon1255 2 года назад
one half hour fuel will be understood as 1h and 30 mins- that was his understanding imho.
@mikespindor
@mikespindor 7 лет назад
Absolute professionalism in this video. Tough situation to get to Seattle and not be able to land. Going to Vancouver was the right call. Switching to Victoria would have been a more difficult move although closer. They would have had to fly a bit further to set up for runway 09 in Victoria anyways. Abbotsford was an option but with the current fuel level Vancouver was a perfect choice. Well done in my opinion. And YVR ATC was their typical professional selves.
@henryjiang9664
@henryjiang9664 7 лет назад
The RWY at Victoria is pretty small also they’re less capable of handling a full 777
@mikespindor
@mikespindor 7 лет назад
Henry Jiang yep very true, YVR was a great call.
@milesaharrison
@milesaharrison 5 лет назад
In a jet, it isn't as simple as just turning and 'you'd be set up'.
@NoJusticeNoPeace
@NoJusticeNoPeace 5 лет назад
Plus Victoria is an island, which means it would be a lot more expensive and complicated if they had to bus people to their final destination, requiring the use of a ferry.
@cavokdotcom
@cavokdotcom 5 лет назад
[EDIT: I totally misread the comment I replied to. Sorry Miles. I'll edit to make it make a little more sense! ]​@@milesaharrison -It's not just a matter of turning though..- Miles is on-point. The pilots would have had approach plates and procedures set up for YVR at this point. Repeated switching without cause, could introduce additional errors.. Someone more in-the-know might be able to clarify, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have declared alternates for situations like this.. And at the very least they may have had a conversation with their operations group about post-landing handling of passenger, luggage, cargo, and aircraft.. In short, there a lot more wheels in motion than just pointing the aircraft somewhere different.. So, not super-simple to just turn the jet.. :)
@jasontuck-smith3896
@jasontuck-smith3896 Год назад
This was excellent communication and team work.
@questionablebackyardmeows
@questionablebackyardmeows 3 года назад
Out of all the reasons for a mayday call this is probably the best case scenario - everything's still together, nothing's on fire, and they just need to land right now...
@ravilalli353
@ravilalli353 7 лет назад
i remeber that day i was the ground handling lead hand for this flight that day.operations couldnt get a gate for it so they had to land on the westpad that day.
@martintheiss743
@martintheiss743 6 лет назад
that's good. did you remember not to leave them to rot?
@ravilalli9629
@ravilalli9629 6 лет назад
martin theiss why would I leave them to rot?all they did was stayed at the westpad for no longer than 40 mins they refueled up and went back to Seattle. It was in April when this occured
@martintheiss743
@martintheiss743 6 лет назад
that's cool. by the way about Seattle, what does the YVR ground crews think about the man last Friday who decided to take a Dash 8?
@ravilalli9629
@ravilalli9629 6 лет назад
martin theiss that was a very unfortunate and sad moment. It was an eye opener for majority of us who are always vigilant when we are coming in the cross ways of an aircraft. It is kinda iffy when a plane has to abort landing at yvr (could be mechanical issues or pilot error).
@ravilalli9629
@ravilalli9629 6 лет назад
I remember a few years back we had a Philippines airlines a340-300 was coming to yvr and had landing gear issues. Thankfully the plane landed safely and they had medical staff and firefighters waiting just incase it crashed or run off the runway.
@yigit198
@yigit198 4 года назад
0:24 this is the calmest "mayday" i ever heard while an emergency situation..
@carbon1255
@carbon1255 2 года назад
It only becomes and emergency when they hit exactly 30 mins of fuel, they are relatively safe if they are allowed to land right away and that is the point. They are so close in and have enough for a few passes.
@DragonAurora
@DragonAurora 6 лет назад
Wow these guys did an awesome job handling that. They didn't miss a beat through the whole thing.
@excuzza
@excuzza 5 лет назад
Disliking a vid does not cover “ I don’t like this”. Nice presentation, appreciate your time getting us this.
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 5 лет назад
Thanks!
@DJAUDIO1
@DJAUDIO1 8 лет назад
Great video. Everyone kept a cool head in a serious situation. Did the flight end up refueling and make its final to Seattle?
@THEGHOSTBURNER
@THEGHOSTBURNER 7 лет назад
One would assume so
@viperz888
@viperz888 7 лет назад
No, it was trapped at Vancouver forever
@ziiofswe
@ziiofswe 7 лет назад
Some people say it's still taxing on its fumes.
@bellaaneke
@bellaaneke 7 лет назад
Wonder how much YVR charged Emirates for an unscheduled landing?
@martynh5410
@martynh5410 7 лет назад
I believe the poor pilots have to work as baggage handlers for 2 weeks as punishment...
@MandoMonge
@MandoMonge 3 года назад
“Attention crews at stations” the PA from the flight deck I was eager and afraid of hearing. I wonder if they made a NITS for the crew or just a “guys, secure now!”
@billhinton9787
@billhinton9787 3 года назад
The calmness under pressure always impresses me , it reminds me of my sub days.
@JoeRantCT
@JoeRantCT 2 года назад
Very very good comms. One of the best I've ever heard.
@sandi-ballz6174
@sandi-ballz6174 6 лет назад
Think bout how crazy calm and cool they are with 367 on-board, 12k elev and to land within bout 2.5 min of the elevation change. Everyone had their shit together on this day. With the exception of whom ever planned the amount of fuel... This shot of whiskey is for you!!!
@martintheiss743
@martintheiss743 6 лет назад
I don't think there was any issues with the fuel boarded.
@martintheiss743
@martintheiss743 5 лет назад
yes in the USA one needs to delegate a second airport on each route such as Portland for Sea-Tac. Then calculate the fuel load for a diversion from Sea-Tac to Portland at the ATC decision after arriving in Sea-Tac region. Expect a 45 minute delay at Portland before crashing or going down. That is supposed to be the fuel load on all US based flights are supposed to be fueled for at least. Safety.
@Michael500ca
@Michael500ca 6 лет назад
I've been to all three airports mentioned here. I used to live in Langley, BC which is next to Abbotsford. I miss going to the annual Abbotsford airshow. Good memories.
@Rindiculousfun
@Rindiculousfun 5 лет назад
Michael500ca Same! Grew up next to Abbotsford my first gliding operations were at that airport. Then moved to Victoria where my home airport now is and now work as a flight instructor
@allanfifield8256
@allanfifield8256 3 года назад
My Uncle Howard Williams was an ATC at Abbotsford in the 1970's.
@UncleSheoTV
@UncleSheoTV 8 лет назад
Happy birthday and as always an amazing video
@turkipooh
@turkipooh 5 лет назад
what a calmness between the pilot and the ATC are very very impressive to the point of impressive the should teach the nxt gens of pilot how to be calm like this in emergency situations. + must be case study (at all flight schools around the globe )
@1littlelee
@1littlelee 5 лет назад
lol the graphic shows a missed approach but they were saying incase of one
@odiasukcamaj
@odiasukcamaj 5 лет назад
I think he was trying to illustrate to people that don’t know what a downwind missed approach is but...
@leonugroho593
@leonugroho593 7 лет назад
MINIMUM FUEL: landing fuel be very close to final reserve fuel. Any change in routing may result in fuel emergency. MAYDAY FUEL : landing will be less than the planned final reserve fuel (typically 30 minutes).
@palonazo
@palonazo 7 лет назад
No, you don't need to be left with just with final reserve to go mayday. You declare emergency a lot earlier than that. The "minimum diversion fuel" is the sum of final reserve plus alternate fuel. That's the figure you enter in the CDU in the "reserves" box in the perf init page. If you ever have less thaan minimum diversion, you declare emergency.
@As_A________Commenter
@As_A________Commenter 2 года назад
@@palonazo that is not true. Mayday fuel is only declared when you are within the 30 minutes of fuel remaining (45 for domestic US flights)
@palonazo
@palonazo 2 года назад
​@@As_A________Commenter Th at's not correct. You don't need to wait to be using your final reserve to call mayday. If expected fuel on landing at the nearest suitable airport will be less than final reserve you HAVE to go mayday.
@ayadabukhamsin4477
@ayadabukhamsin4477 3 года назад
OMG... I was on that flight!!!! It was very windy in Seattle. Diverted to Vancouver then flew back to Seattle after refueling and weather improving.
@ayadabukhamsin4477
@ayadabukhamsin4477 3 года назад
they did not allow us to disembark in Vancouver and we were not parked at a gate. We parked at a remote stand for about three hours.
@pubcollize
@pubcollize 2 года назад
@@ayadabukhamsin4477 Did you get free peanuts while waiting?
@bvnseven
@bvnseven 3 года назад
Seeing Captain Over, Roger Murdoch or Stryker going up the forward ladder is a Definite Mayday...
@Nickbaldeagle02
@Nickbaldeagle02 5 лет назад
I bet those pilots had some forms to fill in.
@AEMoreira81
@AEMoreira81 3 года назад
Probably excused by the fact that they also went around at YVR.
@mrlarrghi
@mrlarrghi 4 года назад
Today, airlines replace weight of fuel with weight of passengers more sharply than did before the 1980s.
@carbon1255
@carbon1255 2 года назад
Cost of fuel is massively higher. And It was way more dangerous carrying the amount of fuel they did then xD
@Davionious
@Davionious 3 года назад
They just violated their reserve fuel a bit. They need a reserve of 45 minutes. They said they had 30 mins fuel left c5 mins before landing. So they were short 20 mins of fuel and landed with 25 mins fuel. ie they used about half their reserve - which is of itself a serious issue. But as far as being a "you are all about to die emergency" they had 6x the fuel they needed to land.
@As_A________Commenter
@As_A________Commenter 2 года назад
45 minutes reserve is FAA requirements for US registered aircraft operating domestically. ICAO rules for aircraft operating internationally (including US aircraft flying overseas) is a 30 minute final reserve.
@timwynn6079
@timwynn6079 8 лет назад
altimeter 29.22 explains the strong winds, sounds like a concentrated low pressure in the west coast areas.
@martintheiss743
@martintheiss743 6 лет назад
however setting up for a different altimeter would cause the pressure system in the airplanes altitude gauge to go screwy at the wrong moment.
@chivalcarlos
@chivalcarlos 3 года назад
They did not do a downwind missed approach as illustrated in the video. They only pre-secured permission to do that just-in-case because the official missed approach for ils08r would have required more fuel burn before a second attempt at landing.
@jtm1283
@jtm1283 2 года назад
In responses to "souls on board?" query, I would love to hear a pilot give a number and then add "plus four red-heads." But I guess humor would be low on the list in such situations.
@carbon1255
@carbon1255 2 года назад
You can get in trouble for it, but captains do it with their first officers occasionally when not in a crisis.
@trabbin8
@trabbin8 7 лет назад
I don't know much about a/c ATC communications - but everyone here sounded impressively professional at least to me. Nice video thanks.
@martintheiss743
@martintheiss743 6 лет назад
basically there are at least 3 persons involved in any standard approach. One, a regional area controller, handles an airspace of some length (such as Reno NV in the area handled by an ATC south of Oakland CA), then as the plane sets up to report they are ready to land an approach controller at said airport lines up the planes safely to secure local landing order. As they are about to land they switch to a ground tarmac lead who basically is the ATC looking at anything going on the ground such as ambulance calls to authority vehicle safety checks to planes moving into takeoff areas.
@JoeRantCT
@JoeRantCT 5 лет назад
Professional crew for sure.
@hornetgamer8980
@hornetgamer8980 8 лет назад
A few thoughts: First, fuel requirements are a justifiable plan based on weather on getting to destination, from destination to alternate, and still having 45 minutes in the tanks. I see nothing in this video which suggests that such a plan was not in place. Secondly, every airline has its own different regulations on what a certain aircraft can and cannot do in situations where there is an alternative. Having held for a while at Seattle before their missed approach, the conclusion was probably that they would have to declare a fuel emergency before being able to land in the conditions at Seattle, and therefore it was sensible to divert to calmer winds and make the emergency landing there. Thirdly, the fact that they were insistent on going to Vancouver during this segment, and by the looks of it were declaring an emergency for the first time during this video, suggests to me that they were simply at the point where they would be below 45 minutes on touchdown even with priority handling, rather than the 30 minutes remaining stated. It might equally have been a desire to touch down on the longest runway possible (perfectly sensible with a strong tailwind). Victoria was obviously too short for a 777 even in ideal conditions, Abbotsford a good 600 metres shorter than Vancouver or Seattle).
@heyitsvos
@heyitsvos 8 лет назад
Curious why you say they had a tailwind?
@hornetgamer8980
@hornetgamer8980 8 лет назад
Two of the landing options which were considered in this video involved headwinds, two tailwinds (all with very little crosswind component). My point is that runway length and direction were factors, and that the reason Vancouver was chosen is that all the cards seemed to align, with the exception of fuel. And by the looks of it they dipped below the 45 minutes remaining fuel at Vancouver due to the missed approach at Seattle. Normally in a divert situation it's either to do with the length of holding time, otherwise you're convinced to divert by ATC on approach. To attempt a landing at your first choice airport and then divert afterwards is unusual by comparison.
@cmhyt1
@cmhyt1 7 лет назад
that explains a lot, thank you
@brendanmccullough230
@brendanmccullough230 7 лет назад
HornetGamer Does 777 need more runway than 747?
@hornetgamer8980
@hornetgamer8980 7 лет назад
+Brendan McCullough Important caveat: I'm not a professional pilot nor an engineer, and do not want my interest to be mistaken for expertise. That said, to answer your question in just about all circumstances 747 needs more runway than a 777. However you'd need to be in particularly dire straights to choose to land either plane at Victoria, because the minimum takeoff runway length for all 777s is quite a bit longer than 7000 feet. Takeoff length does not equal landing length, and I'm sure it was possible (in 2013 a Boeing 747 cargo plane landed on a 6100ft runway in Kansas, having mistaken it for a military base with parallel 12000ft runways). But for obvious reasons landing on a runway you can perform a routine take off from is a good idea. Even in emergency conditions you wouldn't choose to land on a runway shorter than you've ever landed that plane on before, if another option were available. Abbotsford was long enough for a landing in most circumstances (at 9600ft), and would have been chosen if Vancouver were much further away. But in a fuel emergency where a go-around is a realistic possibility, preparedness, familiarity with airport and additional runway to work with are all factors that probably made Vancouver the smarter choice. Had they diverted to Abbotsford and decided that they weren't comfortable with it, I suspect diverting to Vancouver would no longer have been an option.
@dwDragon88
@dwDragon88 3 года назад
We have a MAYDAY fuel condition but we still want Vancouver so we can get to the bar at our hotel a little sooner. Thanks for the alternates though.
@carbon1255
@carbon1255 2 года назад
They were barely any closer and they were set up for vancouver. If you are landing in a new runway you would preferably hold for a while and calculate your approach such as what brakes you need, flap levels, go around altitude, and many other factors. It would be much safer at this point to land at their alternate there.
@carbon1255
@carbon1255 2 года назад
Also this was their alternate, so they missed their hotel by quite a way.
@carstorm85
@carstorm85 8 лет назад
Ahh cool, your b'day is one day after mine. Happy b'day!
@nenblom
@nenblom 6 лет назад
WELL DONE!! 🛫✈️🛬
@T.B.Y.S.
@T.B.Y.S. 5 лет назад
Hearing a pilot say “mayday” gives me chills. But kudos to these people esp Capt and F.O. Was the reason Miscalculation? Or something?
@SoulRune128
@SoulRune128 4 года назад
They were planning to land at Seattle but had to divert to Vancouver due to weather
@MenloMarseilles
@MenloMarseilles 2 года назад
in addition to having to divert, they'd already attempted one landing at seatac which was spoiled by crosswinds. that probably ate up a lot of safety margin on its own.
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 7 лет назад
2:11 Vancouver Approach says "one half hour" (i.e., half an hour, 30 minutes), not "1h30" (i.e., one and a half hours, i.e., 90 minutes).
@edgyguy5553
@edgyguy5553 7 лет назад
"one half hour" and "one and a half hours" can sound very similar. The recording is pretty clean and the pilots themselves felt it was necessary to indicate "30 minutes" so there was no confusion. A lot of English speaking regions don't say "one half hour" so that could be confusing. It would be rare, for instance, to say that in the US. We'd probably ask, one half hour as opposed to two or three half hours or half a half hour? Why add a quantity to something that can really only be that one thing to begin with? Sort of like saying "I drove one car to the store"...
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 7 лет назад
I was just pointing out that the subtitles were wrong at that point (controller says "one half hour", subtitles say "1h30"). But, actually, my experience is that it's _only_ North Americans who say "one half hour"; in British English, it's always "half an hour".
@TheLoadedDog
@TheLoadedDog 6 лет назад
"I drove one car to the store" is common to most languages. English is unusual in having the indefinite article "a". In most languages it is the same word as "one". I think in a field which needs as much clarity and lack of ambiguity as ATC, "one" is quite useful. The one letter vowel word "a" can get swallowed over the airwaves.
@the3rdid485
@the3rdid485 2 года назад
Watching air crash investigations of planes crashing because they were too low on fuel, makes me feel a lot better when I see stuff like this when pilots are acutely aware and properly declare emergencies to get landed.
@UncleSheoTV
@UncleSheoTV 8 лет назад
Hey will you ever do a QnA? Because your channel is so interesting I have a few questions to ask
@budgiebreder
@budgiebreder 4 года назад
I wonder how often this sort of emergency actually happens and passengers are never told?
@dougbrown9574
@dougbrown9574 2 года назад
You do not want to know.
@KJ-ee5pu
@KJ-ee5pu Год назад
Very seldom, I can assure you that.
@muh.farid.120
@muh.farid.120 5 лет назад
I bet you will not understand what they're saying if there's no subtitle there
@stephanieritter4771
@stephanieritter4771 3 года назад
Nice job ... the controller did his job.. gave them optio the pilots did their jobs knowing their speed and altitude that possibly a smaller airport would not have been a smart move and they knew to take everything in consideration and continue to go to a bigger airport.. so nice job all of them
@johnnylooping2105
@johnnylooping2105 4 года назад
Very nice job of all involved.
@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi
@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi 7 лет назад
from my understanding declaring the mayday is necessary as they have now started into their emergency reserve is that correct?
@martintheiss743
@martintheiss743 6 лет назад
no saying "mayday" is the absolute worst terrorism in ATC terminology. the decision has been made by the flight crew to say they are in so desperate danger, even the delay of a few minutes to allow for the closure of the approach taxiways would likely mean catastrophe. You might be asking for a Pan Pan Pan call. Yes, it is a serious alarm, but not yet to the point where things will go to hell immediately.
@FireController1847
@FireController1847 4 года назад
@@martintheiss743 The hell are you on about? If the plane wasn't able to get immediate landing it would have been a very, very bad situation, in which the plane would have become a glider until it eventually either lands or crashes. This is VERY acceptable for a mayday from what I've seen. A PAN-PAN is when you don't need immediate attention but would like to land soon, however a MAYDAY is when you need immediate landing or else the situation becomes extremely serious. With 30 minutes of fuel, if they had to wait or go around or even anything similar to that, they'd likely be on 10 to 5 minutes of fuel, and if they weren't able to land in that time, you'd get a very, very bad situation in which not even a MAYDAY could fix.
@alixena9340
@alixena9340 7 лет назад
Would the passengers have been aware that their flight was a Mayday scenario? Obviously they knew they had been diverted. They probably would not need to know that, unless they did have to go around, in which case there may have been a danger if fuel became an issue.
@Freakschwimmer
@Freakschwimmer 7 лет назад
No, they haven't been diverted. They would have been told about the situation if they had to divert. I'm quite positive the pax were not told about this.
@briangommage3863
@briangommage3863 7 лет назад
They would know something was up: approaching Seattle, descending, turning etc. then going back up and changing direction isnt normal. I would also suspect the flight crew had told them they were diverting. But they wouldn't know about the fuel situation.
@justinnanu4338
@justinnanu4338 6 лет назад
Freakschwimmer first 2 seconds of the video tells you they had to divert from Seattle due to wind. I'm sure passengers would realize when they land in a different country than their ticket says.
@renorailfanning5465
@renorailfanning5465 3 года назад
Victoria airport's longest runway is 7,000 feet. I'm guessing enough for a 777 to land on but not much room for error hence, a higher possibility for a go-around.
@AEMoreira81
@AEMoreira81 3 года назад
Even YXX is only 9500 feet. As soon as they requested 8R at YVR, it could be figured that YVR was their declared alternate, as they requested the longest runway there.
@knightlife98
@knightlife98 5 лет назад
Wilco..... Always makes me think of Marcus Fenix...lol!
@luke83rj
@luke83rj 7 лет назад
If they had a fuel emergency, why did they decline the nearest airport possible?
@nicksquared4907
@nicksquared4907 7 лет назад
Sometimes when you are already committed to one airport or runway its hardier to go for a close airport due to your altitude so it would just be easier to go for the one that you are already setup for.
@cobra646
@cobra646 7 лет назад
There are several factors that are involved. IF it was an absolutely time critical emergency they absolutely would have landed at the nearest suitable field. However, the crew KNEW that they had enough to make YVR so once they had a plan they continued to work that. Other factors involve: Victoria or Abbotsford (what if they land somewhere where there isn't even a tow bar to push a 777 off the gate! it happens.) are not as well equiped to handle heavy traffic. Emirates would have their own, or at least a code share partner in YVR with ground support. You have to consider, what are you going to do with 376 people who just landed in a city they weren't planning on being in. Lots to consider.
@Ryan-ij3fn
@Ryan-ij3fn 7 лет назад
It would have taken more time to calculate performance, get set up, briefed, and configured for a different airport than it would be to fly to the alternate they planned
@riseoflas
@riseoflas 7 лет назад
Ananias Andrada because the alternate airport will be decided even before they took of from departure airport so for any arrangements to be done will be easier in the alternate airport. at 30 minutes fuel was enough to reach alternate so the captain decided to continue. at the 30 minute fuel is calculated to be operated at 1500 feet altitude but the aircraft was not in a holding patters and flying above 1500 where fuel consumption is less.
@EyebrowsMahoney
@EyebrowsMahoney 7 лет назад
bvestationfan Victoria is the capital of British Columbia. how is that bumfuck nowhere? Additionally, they don't just throw out random nearby airports whenever an aircraft declares an emergency. They checked which airports had the capacity to handle his aircraft, airports in bumfuck nowhere are going to typically be smaller GA fields that don't have the capacity to handle large aircraft.
@Michelle_Schu-blacka
@Michelle_Schu-blacka 7 лет назад
I would so love to be an ATC but apparently you have to have both eyes working properly. I live for high pressure situations.
@martintheiss743
@martintheiss743 5 лет назад
basically if planes cant handle 45 seconds a turn at Heathrow for an 18 hour shift, the world might fall into misery.
@bobac1083
@bobac1083 5 лет назад
ive seen how low fuel some intl jets are when they come in. Im a aircraft refueler at MSP. A flight i fueled a few days ago from MSP-AMS came in from AMS, A333 N807NW, had about 25,000 lbs remaining before i started fueling. I put on 117,800 lbs 13,465 gal of fuel for the flight back. 25,000 lbs is 3,731 gallons left at 6.7 lbs per gallon
@Dodilafir
@Dodilafir 3 года назад
Emirates pilots are very professional... this one both ATC and Pilots must be commended.
@jaretos
@jaretos 8 лет назад
So they really went around and proceed to the right downwind back to 08R?
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 8 лет назад
No, they landed on their first attempt. The animation is to explain the right pattern they're asking for just in case
@jaretos
@jaretos 8 лет назад
VASAviation - Ohh, wilco. Excellent video mate, love your work, greetings from Mexico.
@13rdp
@13rdp 7 лет назад
Wilco???
@jaretos
@jaretos 7 лет назад
13rdp Same meaning as "roger"
@13rdp
@13rdp 7 лет назад
No, Wilco, means Will Comply, meaning that you understand the clearance and will stick to it. You could have answer Roger. Happy skies.
@davidhenderson3400
@davidhenderson3400 4 года назад
ATC "Fuel remaining?" Pilot "Fuel remaining, NONE!"
@theharper1
@theharper1 4 года назад
Gimli glider?
@davidhenderson3400
@davidhenderson3400 4 года назад
@@theharper1 Exactly.
@drchaffee
@drchaffee 2 года назад
AAL would sometimes barely make it from DFW to NRT (Japan) in MD-11s. In that circumstance, a pilot I knew would request direct and if they tried to put him in the pattern, he would counter with direct or IFE.
@grahamjohnson7412
@grahamjohnson7412 Год назад
I've read that the range issues with the MD-11 lead to it being nickned "Scud" by some. Just like the Soviet missile once a MD-11 was launched you weren't entirely sure where it would land.
@BharatSecurityWatch
@BharatSecurityWatch 4 года назад
Canadians are such sweet people, just north of a rowdy neighbour! Jokes apart, the sheer skills and professionalism of Aviation professionals (Pilots, ATC) is humbling
@62Cristoforo
@62Cristoforo 3 года назад
Living in Canada is like living above a crack den
@ArtUniverse
@ArtUniverse 4 года назад
1:19 "Vancouver desu"
@kitony
@kitony 3 года назад
Japanese?
@russell2952
@russell2952 4 года назад
UAE229: MAAAAAYDAAAAY. NEED TO LAND RIGHT NOW. Approach: Ok. We've got Victoria and Abbotsford for you. UAE229: Nah. Vancouver is fine. We wouldn't be caught dead on hippie island or cowfartville.
@purplegill10
@purplegill10 4 года назад
Made me laugh harder than I'd like to admit
@eNodeTG
@eNodeTG 4 года назад
only possible explanation Lol
@Kaptionist
@Kaptionist 4 года назад
I'm dead HAHAHA
@allanfifield8256
@allanfifield8256 3 года назад
My Uncle Howard Williams was an ATC at Abbotsford in the 1970's. He also owned a diary.
@walterlv01
@walterlv01 3 года назад
Seemed like a very similar situation to Avianca 52 - thank God this one had a much better outcome.
@MrBere2011
@MrBere2011 3 года назад
I love how they refer to passengers as souls 🤟🏽
@lebojay
@lebojay 3 года назад
To distinguish them from dead people. It’s not unusual for commercial flights to be carrying dead people.
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