The really infuriating stat comes at the end: Rachel's son got £22,000 for the loss of his mother, but "Lizzie James" got £125,000 for the stress she incurred in fitting up an innocent man.
Now we can see why certain people, under intense scrutiny and endless interrogation, give false confessions. That Stagg didn't is a testament to his mental strength.
They'll say anything to make it end it's relentless and it's cruel I think some don't care if they're sent to prison, the thought of appealing must be mentally exhausting, even though they're innocent.
I grew up on the Alton estate. One of my best mates was Stagg's next door neighbour. We were around 12 - 13 years old when this happened. He kept himself to himself, softly spoken, always polite. He loved his dog, his Ford Capri and his heavy metal. I remember how all the mums starting gossiping about him when this was going on. Suddenly everyone "always thought he was a bit weird". He was brutalised during those years. I remember I hadn't seen him for a few months and he was barely recognisable due to the amount of weight he'd lost. Of course, for those who'd already convicted him, this was "obviously a sign of guilt." I hope he's doing alright these days. Cannot imagine what that does to a person. R.I.P Rachel Nickell.
Are we supposed to feel sorry for these police? I don't understand, the documentary seems to be sympathizing with the police work, but all I see from the police in this case is incompetency, incompetency, incompetency. Instead of trying to investigate all possibilities, they focused on one man, decided that he is the killer based on one woman's poor memory and tried to pin this crime on him. The police failed to find the real killer because of their incompetency.
Yep. But worse than that, the real killer went on to murder another young mother AND her toddler, even tho his name had been given to these very police (who ignored that name, because at that stage they had decided Colin Stagg did it). And whilst i don't know when this was filmed (presumably before Robert Napier's conviction), the detective is STILL insisting Colin Stagg got away with it, despite not only a complete lack of evidence, but even evidence which contradicted his guilt. That detective would STILL refuse to reflect on his errors in future cases, I suspect. Terrifying.
+Relaxingtime4me How could these horrendous police fuckups not have been learned from 25years later, still today psychos are able to escalate and continue their horrific crimes because of incompetence, corrupt coppers going after innocence people while covering their own arses and in many cases protecting others, allowing them to continue their horrific offences
Robert Napper in case anyone wishes to Google the name and his conviction. The very slight resemblance to Stagg and the fact that Napper is actually tall, 6'2'', truly make one wonder about the reliability of eyewitness identification, which they also relied on.
Sam King It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he was. I have seen too many of these cases, where, when the actual perpetrator is caught, the police and certain lawyers simply refuse, beyond all reason, to let go of their initial suspect. They are like dogs with bones. Their idiocy is beyond comprehension.
Feel so sorry for Stagg, everybody was seemingly against him - police, press, general public etc. He must have been a strong character to get through it, he's a person with flaws like the rest of us but he is no murderer.
Stagg didn't do it but I bet he watched it happen or saw the body directly after . He was on the common and knew things only the killer or witness would know
Colin Stagg was just a lonely guy who was prepared to say anything to get a woman in to bed. It's not like that's unique. It' such a shame that they were so focussed on him that the real killer was able to relax.
I cannot believe how those detectives can dare try to claim they were victims, they tried their very best to frame an innocent man and were happy to try and have him locked up, when they knew there was no real evidence against him, just so they could the glory of supposedly catching the killer. Colin Stagg deserves to be left alone to get on with life and the people involved in this disgusting investigation need to be held accountable for ruining his life.
when the detective in charge Keith pedder was asked just before the series deceit was to be aired if he thought colin stagg was badly treated he said no.....thats the arrogance of the man
Samantha Bissett and her 4-year-old-daughter, Jazmin, often seem to be forgotten in the Rachel Nickell case. The Bissett murders were more horrific than the Nickell murder but did not receive the same publicity for some reason.
@Paul Morgan I saw that some time ago so I forget the details of the story. I remember feeling sorry for the accused bloke. I'll have to watch it again. Cheers.
The one thing that really puzzles me in cases like this & others (Sutcliffe, Savile Whittle) to name just 3 more, is that nobody gets held accountable for their gross incompetence
Rachels partner wrote a deeply moving book about what he and his son went through. it was a tragedy as theirs was a true love story and they were both excellent parents. Andre devoted his life to giving Alex a secure loving environment and helping him overcome the trauma.
Excuse me juanita Richards I wanted to ask you if by any chance you know the title of this intense book? I was struck by this tragic painful excruciating death for how it happened and for how it left a his Mama's baby! Thanks a hug!
@@albertobaudino1963 I can't remember but will google it. Yes her heartbroken partner sis write a book about how he and his son survived this trauma......but there are other books about the case too....
@@albertobaudino1963 THE LAST THURSDAY IN JULY: MEMOIR OF RACHEL NICKELL .....by her partner Andre Lipscombe......their son Alex has also written a book about his mother
There are a couple of other cases in which I think the exact same thing has happened... The Russell murders for one... Any conviction will do, and if the person they convict is a bit of a loser in society already and not of great character, then what does it matter if we put him in prison for the rest of his life?
I think everyone knows deep down that Michael Stone's conviction is unsafe, but the possibility that he might be guilty, and he might kill again if released is enough to make everyone cling to a fantasy that the case has been proven.
We *are* talking about "this crime", of which he *is* "totally innocent". OK, he *does* have a conviction for nude sunbathing on Wimbledon Common, but that is nothing comparable to murdering a young mother in front of her child. He "got what he deserved" tor *that* when the court made him pay a small fine.
And of course "Lizzy" knew damn well he was innocent the moment she met him. She wasn't afraid of him in any way. No gut feeling, no hair raising, unexplainable fear.
Mr Stagg went through hell, the poor man. People would stare at him in supermarkets with disgust. (Source: Friend who worked in one he visited). His life must have been awful. I hope he can be get over such a dreadful period in his life. The police did a dreadful job. however, I'm glad they've upgraded their murder squad now.
+Bump688 comments of people saying they're sure he did it anyway are exactly why we have the justice system, it stops people being convicted for being weird while cunning murders slip away.
Colin Stagg has psychological development problems, meaning he doesn't respond to relationship situations as most people would. He said he didn't believe her, and just thought she was a bit nuts. And he admits he was just after a 'shag' (which was also what she was claiming to just be after too) - perhaps he wld have been more picky if he was planning to stay with her. And probably thought if he went to the police, having to tell them about his letter exchange with her (involving the fantasies they did) would just get them on his own case again. You can't blame him for being nervous. Potentially being jailed for life for a murder he didn't commit wld make most of us reluctant to contact them.
Bump688 I feel really sorry for him. He was fitted up completely. I feel like he may be slightly childlike in the way he sees the world. These kind of people are easy pray for the police.
Rachel's "poor" family made no apology that they were dissapointed when the innocent man was let go? How do they feel that a mother and her baby were murdered because the wrong man was accused.
I’ve always felt sorry for Colin Stagg. I feel even worse now that the drama Deceit has aired on UK tv. The guy was lonely and wanted love, he was naive that’s all.
Why do they always say "She was exceptionally beautiful and attractive...(?) As if it matters at all. I don't find her attractive personally. Beauty is such a personal and subjective thing...
The media always draw attention to a murdered woman's beauty. Whether you're attractive, plain or downright ugly is irrelevant; as Colin Stagg said, all life is sacred.
Leon W, that's is just a kind of tactic newspapers and media use to attract attention to their headlines, at the same time boost their sales volume. They like to exaggerate to meet these ends.
beasue all police and media etc types are PSYCHOPATHS THEY DONT SEE VALUE IN LIFE OR REALITY THEY ONLY SEE VALUE IN ITS MOST SHALLOW FORM oh the mansion got bugeled how distgusting OH A OLFD LADY IN A COUNCIL BNUNGALOW GOT KILED AND BURGELED no matter ITS ONLY OF INTEREST IF THE RICH DUDE GOT ROBBED...oh that fat woman got murdered ok move on OH THAT UPPER MIDDLE CLASS PRETTY GIRL WHOS UNCLES A COP GOT MURDERED we must set someone up if we cannot find the real killer COPS ARE PHYCOS EVERYONE KNOWS THIS
I was surprised to hear that a 3yr old was confronted with a serious traumatic incident! I´ve been in traumatic therapy for 8 years now,I´ve been told that a confrontation with my own trauma incident is not adviseable.I am now 65years old! If that childs life was not ruined before,it is now.
OMG In the 30+ yrs I've been watching true crime shows I've never seen such blatant idiocy from any police force anywhere. How did these people make it so far in their profession without knowing anything about the laws of entrapment? I just about choked when they said they were stunned about the judge's decision to not let them get away with framing him like that. Anyone this ignorant of the workings of the justice system wouldn't have even passed high school level law classes here in Canada. WTF UK? Every cop involved in this case should have been fired, not only for trying to manipulate the courts to frame an innocent man but for publicly suggesting that he was guilty after it was thrown out for lack of evidence and for refusing to look for other suspects. And what on earth makes that "Lizzy" twit entitled to compensation for her part in this crime against Stagg? She should have been fired too. They all should have lost their pensions for this and been ordered by the court to issue a public apology on national tv and then a new system should have been implemented to identify, eliminate and prevent all morons from working in law enforcement. I am beyond disgusted right now.
IIRC at the time the tabloids very much influenced this case and pressurised the police with the idea that Colin Stagg was as guilty as sin. The amount of crap written about Stagg being a perv and likely suspect was impossible to ignore. Of course the cops should have ignored the press. And the honey-trap was a desperate tactic to resolve this. But the tabloids have a lot to answer for, as usual.
Just shows how far they can still go if they need to. Even by releasing that statement after Colin has been declared innocent! Absolute disgrace. Hope Keith Pedder is forced to watch a video of this every day.....
Stagg was formally acquitted in September 1994. In July 2006, the Scotland Yard team interviewed convicted sex killer Robert Napper for two days at Broadmoor Hospital in Berkshire. Napper, 40, was diagnosed as having paranoid schizophrenia (and also as having Asperger syndrome) and had been held at the secure institution for more than 10 years. Napper had been convicted of killing Samantha Bisset and her four-year-old daughter Jazmine in November 1993, 16 months after Nickell's murder. On 28 November 2007, Napper was charged with Nickell's murder. He appeared at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court on 4 December 2007, where he was remanded until another hearing on 20 December 2007. On 24 January 2008, Napper pleaded not guilty to Nickell's murder. He faced trial in November 2008. On 18 December 2008, at the Old Bailey, Napper pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of Rachel Nickell on the grounds of diminished responsibility. Mr Justice Griffith Williams said that Napper would be held indefinitely at Broadmoor Hospital because he was "a very dangerous man". At the same time, Colin Stagg received a public apology from the police. On 13 August 2008, Stagg's solicitor announced that the compensation, set by Lord Brennan QC and accepted by Stagg, was £706,000.
Keith Pedder certainly behaved badly however he was not the only one Paul Brittan and other police officers also. The higher-ups protected themselves however Pedder is no victim. The focus on Colin Stag lead to the escape of Robert Napper who was convicted of the killing on 18/12/2008. Robert Napper was reported for a rape before the killing and actually killed another woman after it. The people involved in this case need a reality check they targeted an innocent man and allowed a very dangerous individual to kill again.
Well yes. Look at Christopher Jeffries.. a bit eccentric or 'odd'. Hung out to dry by the press. Thankfully the real perpetrator in that case was caught fairly quickly.
It makes you really sad when you think that just because he was a little strange and dim they targetted him. I'm so sorry for Stagg. Its horrifying and so unjust. The police really messed up there, they really really messed up here.
Yeah. I thought detectives were supposed to have more intelligence on average than the more lowly cops. But these detectives were ridiculous to the extreme. What a hairbrained scheme. No wonder other detectives were telling them they cld kiss their careers goodbye if it went wrong.
Her son is an absolute diamond 💎 so strong considering going through such terrible trauma at such a young age and his father has done an excellent job bringing him up 👍🏻
I'm all for freedom of the press, but there should be a law that the press cannot release any leaked info or any news that could jeopardise a murder investigation.
Why are they fixed on the attractiveness of the victim?!!! Don’t get murdered over there if you’re not “beautiful”😡 wtf What a joke ! She ain’t even all that! Only a average blonde girl
Britton also said that the offender would live close to the common. But the killer came from South East London the opposite side. So Britton was wrong!
Not saying they don't. If you read my original comment you will see what I said was, innocent people also get killed with this system. Did you watch the video or just jumping in without thinking?
The undercover policewoman gets 125K for the 'stress' of doing her job when shes worked undercover with murderers, gang members before. Meanwhile the poor mothers child who witnessed the murder and lost his mum gets 22K, the innocent man being trapped by the undercover officer gets nothing. Makes total sense???
125K for the woman who "befriended" Colin Stagg and a whole lot less for the son of the victim! Now there's a surprise, what about the trauma to him, for the rest of his life! British "justice" at it's best.
Disgusting to receive such a large sum simply for leading on and emotionally abusing an innocent man. I bet that she could instinctually tell that he was innocent as well. Murderers have a particular creep factor that result in a gut instinct in women, hair raising discontented fear. She wasn't afraid of Colin at all.
The police should be ashamed, 1 retired with a full pension no doubt and 1 given £125,000 and the son gets £22,000 for 100 times the stress.. At last a judge with balls.
Talk about entrapment, these officers including the deputy assistant commissioner should be hauled across the coals. The female undercover officer was a professional under cover officer why should she receive 125,000 pounds for doing her job, she adlibs a lot of the conversation herself. Very unprofessional desperate people trying to convict anyone handy.
Lazy cops looking for an easy way out. Setting up an innocent man. How disgusting this setup is! The new inspector should be fired. What the police did to that man is CRIMINAL. I wouldn’t be surprised if his life was never the same. I’m very glad that Pedder suffered. Look what HE DID to the naive, innocent man.
Can we say HOLY CRAP!!?? I've never seen the severity of police incompetency since I began watching these types of videos. All I could do throughout the entire video was shake my head and become disgusted with the psychologist, Mr. Britton, and the 2 detectives doing the investigation into the murder of Rachel. They've stated that she was sexually "molested," then why in the hell didn't they get DNA from Colin to either exonerate or implicate him for the murder?? I agree with all of you, because they just focused on Colin rather Thane to actually get off their asses and do their jobs!!!! As for the Lizzy James bitch, I could tell immediately, as soon as she opened her mouth, that it was going to be some typecast of entrapment. Did they really think that by her goading him into saying his deepest sexual fantasy that it was going to workflow?? Any person with a brain could tell that this was a huge set up from the get-go. I mean with her telling him that IF he wasn't the one who killed Rachel then he wasn't going to be her type or good enough for her that's grounds for dismissal of charges right there, didn't they think this through or were they so damn desperate to fulfill their promise to her family that it severely clouded their judgment??? Dang, even someone who has absolutely NO experience with law could've gotten that so called evidence thrown out of court. It was a clear cut case of police profiling the wrong suspect and to actually believe that this dumbass psychologist, Mr. Britton, was another downfall for their Dumbasses. I can't believe that the detectives are STILL blaming him even though they messed up, but I do remember that every single thing didn't even point in his direction and the police line-up; I seriously think that that woman was coached into pointing him out and did you all catch that woman's statement to the police when she described him acting suspicious??? She gave a description of the murderer, BUT she only caught the side of his face and very briefly at that, so how can she definitively state that was definitely him when she really didn't get a good look at him, especially when she was reminiscing about what had happened that day; she stated that she was with her son, they said hello in which he didn't say anything BUT to give her a sideways glance with a smirk then goes on to say that she really didn't get a good look at his face then immediately she changed her story and that's when she says that he gave her a sideways glance. The neighbor was just as bad, because her actual version didn't really corroborate the facts. These cops bungled up the case from day one and made Colin's life a living hell for years, because they were too darned focused on him than to seek other potential perpetrators for this crime. I think that Colin should've sued the individual detectives, the police department, that psychologist and that bitch, Lizzy James. I can't believe that she received £125,000 for her traumatic experience, and he received nothing but he was the one being put through the ringer, he was suffering from stress and depression and anxiety, and all she did was talk and write asexually explicit things and she just needed all that money for her troubles... B/S!!!!!
Katherine Monroe Ms. Monroe Collin Stagg was paid 700 thousand pounds for the injustices he was forced to suffer due to the police incompetence, but I don't feel that was anywhere near what he deserves. DNA science was in its infancy back when this incident occurred, and apparently there wasn't any detectable semen left at the crime scene either. Don't understand how things were allowed to go so far afield in this case, but the criminal psychologist may have had a great deal to do with it. Js.
The system did thankfully serve Colin Stagg that day. The public have a great and natural trust in the police and the CPS, they tend to automatically think that anyone arrested is guilty, this case proves that the police and the CPS can get it wrong.
Being shy . Having a dog .and living alone . Sorry I did nt no that was a crime .he deserves every penny of his compensation. And should be given a free reign of the suberb for the rest of his life .
If it wasn't for dna they probably would never have caught the real killer which they need to include in this video.. its shocking how an innocent man can be wrongly convicted of murder I am glad he got justice and also justice for Rachel
How in the minds of the cops did they think this “idea “ would solve a brutal murder ? This plan was without question the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard . Someone actually approved of this thing ? I liken the “plan “ to a short story you read at the grocery checkout .
no woman is ever safe. I havent felt safe, ever. My mom put the fear in me, then i read horrible things in the papers, and havent stopped reading since. It keeps up a functional degree of paranoia. Lock your car doors the second you get in, don't ever stop for anyone, never go into the woods, isolated areas of parks, no hiking for me unfortunately though i would love that, walking down a corridor in a hotel my constant thought is, someone could attack me, is there anyone behind, is there anyone possibly opening their door to grab me, same thing on the street, keep away from the curb, check all the closets in the room to see is there anyone there (at least they wont surprise me when im asleep, as i know of a case like that), etc. It's not particularly stressful, it's a way of life.
Robert Napper is a psychopath and now hopefully police are a bit more clued up on the psychos....easy for them to slip under the radar as their behaviour unknown to most people. Definitely lessons learned case here on how not to do it....serious
That loon Paul Britton the criminal physcologist has a lot to answer for regarding Colin Stagg it was his incomitance in thinking that CS was a murderer just because he fitted the profile of a sadistic murderer ie a loner who had a bit of a kink in his sex life. Should have gone to jail for that.
a real sexual killer wont need this sort of letters. Just the fact that he's willing to write 43 letters, that would be unprecedented, i personally haven't heard of it of a serial killer doing that, in all the real crime stories i know.
29:20 what? Setting up an innocent man because you need to convict someone so as to appear like you aren't completely and utterly useless?... I don't think that's so hard. Especially when you know you're gonna get a big pay out at the end of it all...
A classic example of tunnel vision .putting all there eggs in 1 basket .persecuting that poor guy .who had done nothing wrong but report a crime .while the real killer goes free . The tactics they used were disgracefull ..a d the police were tarred as shit 4 a long time .
The last comment in this docu is chilling. As if he would rather still prefer that they had gotten a scapegoat so that people could feel more safe again. That is not how we want our police to work!!!
@Alice_Coopers_Raven He WAS last year when I typed this after his girlfriend kicked him out, he spent/wasted all the compensation money, google it. Everybody knows who really did it.
@Alice_Coopers_Raven When I typed this last year he WAS in a homeless shelter after his girlfriend kicked him out, he may not be now 7 months after I typed, I do not know. But he was when I typed as the money all gone, simple Google search will tell you this. Everybody knows who the real killer was, not that I even mentioned anything to do with that.
So, how do these shows work? The channel's producers reached out to Colin and asked him to reenact all of this, such as getting the letter, sitting down and reading it, than writing back to the woman who sent him the letter? Do they pay him for this? How do they get him to reenact such a stressful time in his life?
Jennifer Kelly the father of RN said after the trial the police are not looking for any other person strongly suggesting colin stagg was the killer...........hope he gave colin stagg an apology when the truth come out
I have no pity for the police and i praise the judge for being so harsh in his condemnation of them. The consequences of the police actions were bad enough but they could have turned out horrendously for an innocent man,
"This was the first time that there had been any idication, any mention of knives, of blood or the use of any of those items for sexual gratification" Err...she just told him about killing a mother and baby during a ritualistic orgy!
Jane Harriman described the person she saw as over 5' 10" and wearing a white long sleeved shirt. Stagg was no more than about 5'6" so why did she pick him out as the man she saw. Also it was established he was wearing a short sleeved black t-shirt that morning.
Would the parents prefer an innocent man go to prison so they get some form of relief .I would sooner no one ever be convicted than an innocent man go to prison !!! As for the cop he should have never been in homicide , playing with a man's life like that !!:he. Watches too many cop shows !!!
