Weren't people already critical of Ruby and Kevin before Jodi came on the scene? I got the impression that when Ruby and Jodi hooked up they recognised and validated each other's sadistic impulses, and with an element of folie a deux perhaps, the cruelty became progressively more extreme.
I think Jodi, was behind the scenes for about a year before, they publicly associated, I don’t think Ruby started getting heat for her parenting until Jodi came on the scene. Ruby had a video before she met Jodi where one of her kids forgot their lunch, and she said, “I hope someone shares their food”. After meeting Jodi, she made that horrible video saying she hopes nobody gives her 6 year old food, so I do think there was a drastic change, post Jodi, she will likely be able to show that in her videos, if she does decide to turn on Jodi.
@JagoffCitizen Ruby began working with Jodi about 5.5 - 6 years ago. She cut off her family 3 years ago. Before she started working with Jodi the kids were kind of out of control with outrageous behavior. Sadly I think comments from online about how the kids were going to turn into tyrants is one thing that led her to Jodi. April and Davey Orgill used Jodi's techniques in parenting and on a Disney trip they all took together, with Ruby's kids acting like kids and April and Davey's kids "behaving" seems to be the turning point. I don't know the exact year that is, but I'm thinking at least 5 years ago. It's not spelled all out in one vlog, but between 8 Passengers (no longer available) and A&D vlogs (still on YT) you could see the transition begin to happen.
Ruby and Kevin were emotionally abusive before Jodi. A lot of the things were now seeing Ellie and Jared do. It’s all learned from Ruby’s parents. That’s why they are staying silent.
@@dd4850 but they weren’t abusive to the point they were getting reported to child welfare daily, just shoving camera’s in your kids face in vulnerable moments of their childhoods, when they have no ability to consent, makes every family channel abusers, in my opinion. My only point was, I don’t think the alarming child abuse started til Jodi entered the picture.Jodi took abusers and made them much worse with her “therapy”.
Whether or not Jodi took of advantage of Ruby I find to be irrelevant. Ruby is a functioning adult. Blaming Jodi IMO does not pass the "reasonable person" standard.
When we think of Ruby we think , she can also be a victim of cohesive abuse control, Jodi could have been doing this to Ruby for years! Has anyone ever abused you in a cohesive way?
I'm wondering if Ruby and her siblings were raised like this. Then it was passed down to their own children. Ruby was abusing her kids long before Jodi came into the picture.
Ruby still needs to be held accountable for mistreating and allowing her children to be physically and emotionally harmed as well as starved. Jodi needs to be held accountable for what she has done to the children placed in her care. The young woman, possibly her niece, I'm not sure, who told of what Jodi did to her while under her care, sounds exactly like what Jodi did to Ruby's kids and Ruby turned a blind eye to it all believing it was all to help them "walk in truth". Something is broken in each woman here and they both need to be held fully accountable for what they each did.
The system failed those children. Allegations surfaced way before Jody. Evidently from the beginning of 8 passengers. How could anyone defend Ruby? Noooo she’s a dangerous monster!!
I think the thing about them having to sit around and discuss whether what Ruby was saying was true might be partly just that Ruby was saying these stories so sincerely and emphatically that it made them question their own reality. That's totally a thing that happens. It's hard to know how to react when people lie directly to your face with conviction and great confidence. Or like how leading questions can actually alter people's memories of an event.
I still think they should be sentenced equally. As a child I always thought I had 2 protectors and if they didn't believe me or helped me than no one else can. Ruby was a grown woman with 3 kids at this point she failed all of them specially with her accusing her kids of things. NO MERCY FROM ME ABOUT BEING MANIPULATED. The kids suffered in the hands of their protector that allowed, knowing what was going on, to keep torturing them. All mu mom said was dont be around grampa...
Ruby's cellmate reported that Ruby was very upset about being separated from Jodi. She reportedly didn't understand why they couldn't be cellmates. Also, Ruby was supposedly childlike when talking about Jodi. Doesn't absolve her, but there was definitely a cultish element to the relationship.
Ruby is NOT a victim. She is a co-conspirator. Big difference. And I’m tired of these “potential witnesses” making it seem like she’s a victim. There’s no one in the world that would be able to talk me into tying my kids to the floor with rope or not feeding them meals or allowing them to have water. Asinine.
Sadly Ruby, as the mother of these children, is responsible for their care. She is just as guilty as Jodi. The children trusted their mom to protect them. Ruby failed!
Seems to me Bonnie was the one that cut them off from ruby and her kids. I think the sisters were jealous of the amount of followers ruby had. Have a feeling there’s much more drama in that family that occurred.
She seems very desperate to save her channel which makes her a ton of money . IMO, these family channels are exploiting children. None of these family Channels are good for the children involved. Bonnie read the room…people really don’t care what you have to say, you’re not the victim here.
Well, the truth is... we do. We are interested because we are invested in the story and want more. Bonnie is so drama seeking and she definitely is feeding the viewers BUT... she is harming herself and her children. This is so wrong.
Bonnie is no angel. If you can stomach it go watch some of her earlier videos. She has quite questionable parenting styles as well. This whole family of vloggers might be in trouble by the time this is all said and done. And by Ruby sister's going out and making these videos they're only making matters worse for themselves.
I don’t believe it necessarily absolves Ruby. Anyone can look back at all of Ruby’s parenting content on the internet and see that her practices around her kids were…questionable, at the least. I think there was already something messed up in Ruby that wasn’t fully expressed until she met Jodi.
Jodi's niece, Jessi, also talks about this, how Jodi finds something that is already there and latches onto it and builds on it. Their parenting practices were definitely questionable and I think Jodi really exacerbated it by upping the cult-y vibes through her intense obsession with isolation and punishment
This sister is thinking she’s gonna normalize some of this and I think it’s because she’s terrified of all of the reality coming public and losing all their youtube money
I just said the same thing, she is laying the ground to protect themselves by using the information other REAL victims have said so if crap comes out about THEM, they can say don't believe it JODI did it. It isn't to help RUBY, well yeah I think they would also to protect themselves but this is about making people doubt anything that will come out. That is what she is crying about, she is worried about that and how do we control the narrative. Bonnie makes everything about her and the fast talking, rapid eye movements and her demeanor says this is all scripted.
@@Lisa_Uncensored If people need to explain why it's extremely inappropriate for a mother/aunt/sister to be profiting off of the pain and suffering of her minor nieces, nephews and children - YOU have a bigger problem. Now I know why their are laws in place. To protect children from people like you!! It's no ones responsibility to explain what it means to have character, values and integrity to you -- that's your parents responsibility. And they have failed MISERABILY.
Ugh all she cares about is her house. Nobody wants to hear about your sad house building journey- especially because she has no clue how waterproofing and tile work! They all need to go into hiding… nobody wants or needs their bad advice. She should feel guilty…. I wouldn’t allow a sibling to do that to their children.
There is a video of this woman showing how to "blanket train". If youre not sure what it is you really should look into it and the couple who came up with it, Michael and Debbie Pearl. They also have a book and there have been many cases of children dying or being seriously injured by their parents following the Pearls teachings. IMO there was abuse in more than just Rubys house long before Jodi. Ruby may have been a bit more extreme even before Jodi, i can see that but if youre blanket training your children then you're harming them and i have to wonder what else is going on behind closed doors.
I’ve seen a former “friend” and RU-vidr that has insight into Bonnie’s family. It’s not pretty. The siblings are all playing “good guys” when in reality there moral compasses are way off as well
Is Bonnie so stressed because she thinks her family dynamics will be under fire soon? She makes family vlogs as well doesn’t she? I personally think she is projecting. She would be better keeping her mouth shut. But money from social media is clearly too inviting for her.
Bonnie really needs to just be quiet. She is a self-centered drama queen. She acts like she is the victim in this situation. This is actually creepy. Her long winded woe-is-me story makes no sense and has nothing to do with the alleged question she was asked. Blaming this all on Jodi is pathetic. Ruby is just as much to blame, if not more. So sad those kids don't even have a decent relative worthy of taking care of them...other than their sister who is also a victim. Everyone in this family has publicly bragged about abusing their kids on multiple occasions long before Jodi came around. I wish the entire family along with Jodi was being held accountable.
See she back filming her kids again because “they were mad they weren’t on vlogs” she didn’t even need to upload the video now she’s now using the Franke situation for a extra few cash
Ruby and Kevin were publicly bragging about abusing their kids in videos... for years before Jodi existed. I'm really tired of people trying to pin all the blame on Jodi. No, these people just found it easier to ignore the abuse before.
I thought she said her kids felt uncomfortable being with Ruby's kids so Bonnie told her sisterr that she did not want the kids having sleepovers anymore. Then she says Ruby cut them off and Bonnie's kids are sad and want tto write letters to Ruby's kids. Sounds like a contradiction which leaves me confused!
Right! And why couldn’t she have let her kids write letters? Maybe Ruby wouldn’t have accepted them or given them to the kids, but they still could have tried! It seems like Bonnie cut off the kids instead of just Ruby. And the comment about how when Ruby’s kids turn 18 and Bonnie’s kids turn 18 they can try to have a relationship. Why would Bonnie’s kids have to wait till they are 1&? If Ruby’s kids were 18 wouldn’t you as the Aunt being reaching out for the relationship and not waiting till your kids turn 18 too?? I have a feeling Bonnie knows more than she is letting on and is just trying to save her image.
What about Ruby’s allegations that one of her sons since age 3 was watching porn & touching (?) up to 20 other kids inappropriately? I wouldn’t do sleepovers either but since Ruby is a liar who is currently advocating her abused 12 year old son be housed in foster care isolated from his siblings. IMO Ruby doesn’t want her children to be together, “compare notes” & support each other. If the kids were allowed to be together Ruby realizes their mutual support could hurt her case. The judge BELIEVED Ruby & sent her 12 year old wounded & starved son away from his siblings.
@@Grammichal what three year old is addicted to porn??!!!!! First if that is the case, it is the parents fault. A three year old cannot have access to porn unless the parents are either encouraging it or a neglecting them and letting them have full unsupervised access to the internet (and even that is far fetched). Even with these two options, I three year old being addicted to porn is crazy. Most three year olds seeing porn would be terrified of it. A three year old being addicted to porn makes me think that three year old has been through some shit m. Cause any child well taken care of would be terrified with seeing porn!
After watching Bonnies video blanket training her children I honestly believe she prob raises her children in pretty much the same way as Ruby. They are just a sick twisted family and they justify it because of their cult. They are all responsible for their own actions....dysfunctional.
Doesn't seem like a normal loving, caring Aunt to me. I could NEVER abandon my nieces and nephews no matter how mad I am at my sibling. Especially if what my sibling is teaching the children seems nuts. Passing the buck and saying I, I, I, me, me, me and never once describing ANYTHING that was done to check on the children by ANY family member is BIZARRE and unbelievable.
I totally understand what your are saying but the thing that made ruby go no contact was that the sister and her kids wouldn't join the cult.. police were called to the house constantly & did nothing of the sister tried to have contact w the children w/o ruby knowing (which would difficult) but let's say she said and ruby found out I'm more than certain ruby would accuse of something disgusting and call the cops on her the only person that could have LEGALLY helped those children was the father... idk how much I can blame extended family bc when you're dealing with the level of crazy narcissist I.e ruby/Jodie any action can be dangerous. And in the end only the children
This sister gets on my last nerve. She’s making this about her. Me, me, me, I,I,I. I’m thinking birds of a feather flock together. From what I have heard they do some raunchy stuff too.
I was abused within my family and as much I was broken inside I had HINTED to my mother that my father was sneaking into my room at night and she (being the wonderful woman she was) said...he's just covering me up....I didn't mention it again until I had proof. My older sister got married so my father knew exactly when it would be just him and I at home. My biggest problem was I didn't want to hurt my mother and I was now old enough and smart enough to know it would destroy her. I suffered in silence for approximately 9 years. Until I physically fought back and received a black eye, giving me the proof and enough strength to speak up. I understand a child not speaking up for a number of reasons that only make sense to a child.
Absolutely. Even if it just that daddy made you promise not to tell. There's an innocence in childhood and the commitment to keep a promise that bad men use against a child. All it takes is to get the child to promise.
Hope you know you are an amazingly strong woman. To come to a point where enough is enough and to have to suffer a physical beating to top it off. Breaks my heart that a child has to be the adult in the room, having no one to turn to for protection. I read it takes most people 20 years before they feel safe in speaking up, and then they get told to just forget about it. Hope the evil man is out of your life forever. Glad he could never touch what is beautiful in you - your inner wisdom.
So sorry you suffered that. I hope your mom had your side and he was left and paid for what he did. Although, I know it can’t really ever be paid back, but I hope he suffered some type of consequence.
And why do they think anyone cares about their family business? We all have families, we all have things that go on. Self-importance, self-centred, grandiosity, me me me.
Honestly, as a survivor of severe child abuse and CS trafficking: these family members shouldn't be worrying about what the public thinks of them. These children are going to be thinking about all the adults who ignored all the blatant signs, their pleas for help, the hints that were dropped, how they were fine with just dropping them from their lives when it wasn't convenient for them, and then just pretended everything was fine once they were out of their lives. Even as an adult, it's seared into my mind that all of the people who were supposed to be responsible and care for you... just worrying about what was easier or more convenient for them. Using the excuse of things being hard for them to process, to avoid taking any action to help kids who are truly suffering. Hearing people justify why they did nothing to help you throughout many years of abuse... gets extremely old, exhausting, and painful after a while. Again, this was goion for years before Jodi had anything to do with them.
So sorry you went through that. I agree - it must also be disheartening for the older kids who understand what’s going on, to see people start to lean toward infantilizing Ruby and trying to claim Jodi is mainly responsible when Ruby was a grown adult making her own poor choices and is also absolutely responsible for harming her children.
I’m so sorry you suffered and reached out and no one listened…that’s a terrible thing that will be with you forever. I wish you comfort, support and safety now. As a survivor, what would you tell someone who sees what’s happening to do? What would actually really help a child in that situation? I would like to know if I see something bad going on to a kid…what would have been most helpful for another adult to do when you were a child? (Like, the man who opened his door to RF and gave him food and water and called 911…not everyone would even open their door. He helped save that kids life (and at least 3 others in all likelihood.)
I am sorry to hear that you had to endure so much abuse and trauma growing, as did I as a child. Hopefully you are now surrounded with people that love and support you and I wish you all the best on your continued healing journey. 💞And I totally and completely agree with everything that you mentioned in this comment.
@@suzannerodio1744to be honest I haven’t looked much into this family, but just a few clips of the sisters plain drama-focus on me- narcissistic attitude was enough to tell me that they must have gotten these behaviors from either one or both of their parents. All the sisters seem to care about is themselves not their poor nieces/nephews.
Me, me, me.....why is it all about HER? What about her nieces and nephews? And has this video been sped up or does she actually talk this fast? 🤦♀ And, I agree - she needs to be investigated for blanket training. It's a vile practice - cruel and abusive and inhumane and even dangerous for the babies and the kids. 😠
If the defense calls Bonnie to testify for Ruby, the prosecution can just show Bonnie’s “how I blanket trained my children” video, and then have a real mental health expert testify at what that does to children and how abusive it is. Testimony from Bonnie now useless, imo.
@@jaylynn8630 Yeah, I couldn’t believe she was promoting that!!! Even the Duggars hushed up about that real fast 20 years ago! I feel so bad for her kids…that’s an awful thing to do to an infant/toddler, ugh.
@@mollymollie6048 If we could ban one book forever, I would probably want it to be that one. It does literally NOTHING but document abuse and torture methods.
She is disgusting! She is monitoring every video! I think she is scared to death that her channel or income will be gone. Especially when she is building her new mansion!! She is terrible!
I never watched 8 Passengers but in a clip I saw, the dad was defending their parenting style saying everything they did was advised by a therapist. He didn't say who and I obviously don't know when that clip is from, but I have a hunch that Jodi's been involved longer than not.
@@amandamacabre He was sitting in a vehicle passengers side. Saw that. Well I guess he couldn't think for himself. There were strange tactics before that!😔
@@debi909 Yeah. I would like to know more about what he thought of it all because he really does seem to have just carelessly gone along with whatever Ruby/Jodi said was right.
I believe Ruby was already emotional and mentally abusive and borderline physically abusive. I think meeting Jodi gave her the ok to move forward with the physical abuse. It is so disgusting that all she did before to her kids she thought was funny and ok, which truly affected them. I am a foster parent and have had so many kids through my home that have had more mental and emotional abuse more than physical abuse. In all my training and experience working with foster kids for the past 7 years the mental and emotional abuse is so much harder for these kids to heal from.
Ruby was physically abusive at least because she was medically abusive. She stalled for an hour taking Shari to the doctor as she was screaming in pain simply because Ruby didn't want to go. She dropped Russell on his head as a baby and didn't take him to the doctor. And remember, she willingly published all of these things like she was proud of it. Ruby has always been a disgusting human being.
@@lindsayschlegel9601 nah, she went off. The question was “how did you tell your kids about Ruby being arrested” She literally didn’t even answer the question. She went off all about herself and how it has been impacting her. Somehow she brought everything back to her. Not saying she is actually a narcissist, just had some narcissist tendencies. She loves the attention and sympathy.
If Bonnie really cared about letting the people know her explanations then why can’t she just make it so she won’t make any money off it! She is building her very large home off of the backs of not only her children’s back but her nieces and nephews back as well! Easy for her to say that they will be “okay” after all of this! I beg to differ! And Ruby allowed this to happen…….. They all need to stop exploiting their children to fulfill their need for money!
She said Ruby stopped talking to her and pushed her away, cutting off her siblings. Now, she has ditched Ruby and then back to Ruby ditching them again. Very odd. She might need to just be quiet now. She seems very narcissistic to me, IMHO
If she's going to testify she's going to drive the lawyers and the judge crazy. I think she needs to be medicated! Or she needs to get off whatever she's on!
This woman (Bonnie) was medicated after getting plastic surgery a few years ago. Videos around that time were scary to watch as she was loopy and at one of the Utah RU-vid conferences, Bonnie's mother was having to supervise her because she was so odd acting. It wouldn't surprise me if she isn't still on some of those pain meds. She's not quite right in the head.
Bonnie and Ruby’s cousin came forward at the beginning and said their parents were like this. Bonnie contradicts herself numerous times throughout this. This is all about her pain, her kids pain, her families pain, how bad this is for her. It’s terrible! They’re scared of losing viewers. She wants to flaunt her new mansion and can’t because of this with Ruby.
Ruby's family members posting about how they feel about the situation feels very exploitive and gross. Also, all of this is not Jodi's doing. Ruby was abusing her children long before Jodi came in the picture.
This whole vlogging thing with these people is just unreal. I get the impression that the women of Utah, more specifically Mormon women have latched on to a new way to make money other than the MLM's that they have always done. It seems sticking a camera in someone's face posting videos and discussing your life with two million plus people might not be the best thing for you and your family. I feel really sorry for the kids that are being raised in this type of atmosphere!
What’s even more crazy is that the LDS church actually pays these Mormon family vlogging channels because it provides excellent advertising for their religion. So in addition to ad revenue, brand deals, merch sales, etc. these Mormon momfluencers with their family channels are receiving money from the church as well!
There is plenty of evidence that Ruby abused her children. Psychological and emotional abuse leaves lifelong invisible scars. It is obvious that all of these children were abused long before Jodi. Jodie added the physical abuse element.
I 100% agree Ruby and Kevin were abusive parents but not to the level that CPS could get involved. They aren’t going to get involved because the child missed a meal or had to sleep on a bean bag. Jodi was the catalyst to help Ruby take abuse to the next level from legal perspective I can see Jodi will be used as the fall guy but don’t think it will help Ruby.
Bonnie is not at all as she seems.She portrays a sweet girl, a good morman, but she did product endorsement for sex lubricator, had Brazilian butt implants, kisses her sisters in hot tub on the mouth., and other weird things they filter carefully. and Ruby was the first to confront the family due to her kids SM each other. So this is really a train wreck with innocent kids involved.
Hey Peter, Can the judge enforce a Gag Order on the whole extended family? Children (18 & above), Siblings, parents, in-laws, nieces, nephews, friends, employees, etc? I thought it was only meant for the attorneys and defendants?
If a friend who was a “counselor” was giving me parenting advice and she said, “well… we are gonna have to duct tape and starve these 2”…. 😐 uh… no. I’m calling the police. Not happening. Ruby has to have known and approved IMO.
I think when Bonnie posted her statement saying this is all she's going to say and saw ALOT of people clicked on it, she did a video and saw many more clicked and though, dang I'm making more money than I ever have. Keep it going!🤔
Yes, and she does it, over and over again. But to be fair - she is also not allowed to talk about the kids. I just think it's wrong to make money out of this situation.
She is a nervous WRECK! Wow. Her cadence is VERY similar to Ruby’s.The drama! Mania? Overthinker? I mean…..she makes ME nervous! Ruby is psychotic. I’ve known this for 5-6 yrs! Emotionally, she seems to be about 12. Her parenting, THEIR parenting is , to say the least, disturbing and troublesome. The fact that it’s taken this long for someone to get a grip on Ruby, Kevin, and the circus they are running is a shame. Truly. I just can’t believe what those poor kids have been through….for years! It was obvious that she was mentally and emotionally torturing those kids. I hope she gets what’s coming to her and that sidekick of hers named Jody 🙄🤮 as well! They are disgusting. Jody is like an insidious, creepy, lethal disease that metastasizes deep and wide. The Mormon church has allowed a horrible thing to happen…and they wonder why members are leaving, in droves. Just an awful situation.
One thing that really bothers me is Bonnie saying “ she’s sure ruby’s kids will be just fine 😡😡😡😡 Jessie was under Jodie control for a year and it took her 15 years to recover, if she even has , clearly it had some very deep impact on her life after escaping until now !!
Using and forcing your kids each day to make content , where you make loads of money off , is abuse on itself . Mental abuse is just as deeply damaging and that happened way before Jodi was in the picture . Ruby once said on a vid ; her biggest fear was , that her kids would sit there and stare and do nothing , so she would not be able to make content . An example ; when your child is hanging on their own little hands , holding on for dear life , to not fall into a hole , and you first start filming them instead of getting them into safety , that is messed up big time
I am so happy to be living in a country that made spanking kids illegal in the 70s. I know emotional abuse can be worse but it signals that children should not be abused. You can also not hide abused children by home shooling them, becaus home shooling is not leagal here.
So Bonnie has already played judge & jury, finding Ruby’s children guilty of what they were accused of. Now, Bonnie’s children are not allowed to play with Ruby’s children. Did Bonnie have to say that on TV?! The children are minors & should be treated as minors., Bonnie will exploit a donut, if it gets her clicks.
No... she did say .... nothing specific happened. But the kids started being weird and everyone was uncomfortable. When kids out of a sudden start talking about "truth" and "distortion" and try to influence others - that can absolutely be enough to not want your kids to be around. But... yes, it's disgusting how she is milking the money cow.
yes the "stayed quiet for the sake of the kids" and never said a word during the horrible crap but now they want to talk for the "sake of her kids". GTFOH with that crap.
I had a difficult time listening to Bonnie speak; she just seemed to babble. But it’s sad to think she cut off contact with her sister and the children because of Jodi’s influence. It’s also sad that this big family didn’t try to help more, but I’m thinking the RU-vid dollars played a big part. I agree that everyone is putting all the blame on Jodi.
It’s hard to believe Bonnie. She’s contradictory, unsure if real trauma existed in her own childhood, and feels victimized. 🙄 I won’t be surprised at the lengths she will go to for clout and views over this.
@@Lisa_Uncensored for me I will have to wait and see what if anything she brings to court. So far in listening and analyzing what she’s saying I’m noticing conflicting comments. It’s an opinion, but the intent of her words is just falling flat for me. I would of preferred her to remain quiet, make a statement through an attorney, and not use the RU-vid channel. Just my opinion again, other opinions are always welcome here.
I am a Catholic living in a town in Arizona with a majority being LDS. They definitely are very family orientated and strive for perfectionism. I have lived in Utah and it is more intense in Utah. Family reputation is a huge concern among them. I don't see her that far out of the social norms for her group. I grew up with one grandmother that used to judge people by their family's reputations. The LDS are definitely that way. I just see her trying to explain what she and her family went through as interaction between the families went negative.
Her "explanations" are full of contraditions, self-pity parties. She should just shut up. But she needs the click $$ for her new mansion. Her borderline terror that the water will leak was cringe-worthy. She's not helping her reputation... at all.
Just to let you know that outside the Utah-Idaho-Arizona-Houston,TX region, it’s not like that among other LDS communities. I grew up my whole life in the South and it’s not like that out here, but I have meet those from out West and completely believe what you say. I am so sorry for your experiences.
With Bonnie it's always about Bonnie. She's so self-centered. Bonnie's always about making money. Always remember Ruby and Kevin abused their children before 3years ago when Jodi came around. Kevin started seeing Jodi supposedly for sex addiction (Jodi's specialty). There are videos showing how abusive Keven and Ruby were way before Jodi came on the scene. We complained to youtube and CFS way before Ruby came on the scene. Ruby committed child abuse along with Kevin in videos. I wish everyone would quit trying to excuse Ruby. Ruby is evil.
I don't believe it is an excuse for Ruby. She and Kevin seemed unusually strict on their younger children a few years ago. Certainly consequences were harder than most people make them. Did Jodi getting involved worsen it, probably, the punishments were not as abusive byears ago, at least not what she showed on her videos. I wish her sisters would stop vlogging about it really just doing a lot of repeating themselves to monetize the situation for themselves
Ruby can say whatever she wants to try to prove her case, but nothing will ever justify tying/restraining your child, or any child to a bed, or abusing a child in any way period!
Her sister is hard to watch - very self centred - how it looks on HER! the last thing on my mind if my sibling had been accused of a serious crime like this the last thing I’d do would be to jump on social media and broadcast my family details to a bunch of total strangers.
Nothing obsolves Bonnie or Ruby. I would not use too much energy toward what Ruby said after working together with Jodi. If I was Bonnie (why are people mad at her - what Ruby did??) I would talk to (my) kids and try to make it understandable to their age and why things are uncomfortable. Even if Ruby didn’t want any letter or packages sent, I would let them do that but under the guise if they don’t get back to you that the kids did nothing wrong. Your Aunt said not to send anything. If you want to try that’s ok. Bizarre. The sisters have you tube channels yet their lives kind of sounded the same. Maybe I’m just confused. Maybe they are mixing up words so they don’t look so bad???? Not sure.
Interesting how Bonnie takes a tragedy regarding her nieces and nephews and turns it around and makes it ALL ABOUT HER and how she can make more MONEY!!
She’s a joke if you ask me !! How many more “ last videos” is Bonnie going to do for the money “ click bait 😂😂 IMO they are just trying to justify what Ruby did under no circumstances could anyone tell a normal mother that it’s okay to starve your children to the point of malnutrition ( vastly different from no supper for you tonight ) No mother could duct tape a child in the name of therapy no parent could tie up their children to the point of injury ! No excuse Bonnie’s fear comes from losing viewers it’s the same reason she did do more !
OR…Bonnie is just making sure to get a jump on saying that no matter what Ruby says, including against Bonnie and the other sisters, its all made up stuff planted by Jodi so don’t believe what you hear about me, me, me.
Interesting that the cousins did not want to have play dates or sleep overs NOT because they were being SA by Ruby's son but because they were "not having fun" anymore. Makes you think doesn't it?
Bonnie is worried about money from RU-vid videos. She claims the kids asked why Bonnie’s family couldn’t make videos. Of course they can just like anyone else in this world with a capable camera. What Bonnie doesn’t need to do is post the videos on social media, unless of course the money is more important than the privacy of her kids.
So she cut off those poor kids, their lifeline to the outside world, before Ruby cut family off. Those kids have got to feel abandoned 😢 She could have just supervised more, discussed boundaries with them to not correct etc.
Sorry, but she’s crawling toward her sister’s level on the “insufferable scale.” Bonnie, no one cares about your home improvements. They just want dirt, which you’ll continue to give.
I see the struggle-she still wants to make her money at the expense of her family, even if it means riding the ruby train. Sounds to me she’s poking her head out after she thinks she’s in the clear of being locked up with them. People will squeal, snitch and throw anyone under the bus for clicks and a buck. It’s gross.
We watched Lori V make up stories to support her ability to know things other people dont know. Ruby may need a foundation for why she fits the bill for senior disciple. (Oh, how she has suffered. And , now, HEALED!)
Everyone that has come forward to discuss their own personal experience with Jody, have basically said the same thing. So I think this is good evidence for the prosecution on her intent to manipulate and control clients.
I really don't need to hear from her sister. The same disfunctional raising that allowed ruby to think what she did was ok, applies to the sister as well- she engaged in that blanket training babies, that tells you all you need to know. She's grabbing for her 15 mins right now and it is just stupid. She matters for nothing.
