The best/worst thing is, karma jokingly suggested cross examining the parrot, but he STILL coached the parrot on her testimony, like he WAS prepared for the parrot to be summoned to the stand.
it does make sense, his whole thing is being unreasonably paranoid and planning for everything because he can't stand to be less than perfect. though he does get cocky occasionally, like with the parrot testimony that I don't think Phoenix would've come up with on his own, because he thinks he can't make a mistake and that nobody is as smart as him I also imagine Yanni Yogi told him about Phoenix hearing Polly talk about DL-6 so he had to remove that potential problem. after all, getting Edgeworth accused of the DL-6 murder was his backup plan- he'd almost certainly have preferred him being found guilty in the original trial
@@Lucas-zp8ijOut of sheer hope, I want to note the parrot's plumage is perfect. Parrots get stressed out so much living as most pet birds do, to the point of plucking their own feathers out and screeching. If Von Karma had tazeed the bird, you'd bet it'd be screeching in alarm at the sight of him. I bet he ordered Yanni Yogi to coach the bird, with exacting instructions of wording
A fun hypothetical: if your lawyer exclaims "I'm going to f-in murder this judge", how soon can you start appealing the decision for incompetent consult? Can you start writing the paperwork during the trial? And can you cancel the motion if your lawyer miraculously gets you a "not-guilty" verdict? For the last question, I guess you wouldn't have to since the US has a "double-jeopardy" clause which says that once you're not guilty, you're not guilty and can't be tried again.
@@biomistflorist658 funniest thing is that, there actually IS a US trial where they cross examined a parrot and used their testimony as proof. No im not kidding, look it up, its on inside edition i think.
@@geekleyIt's commonly understood that a parrot would not be able to understand concepts of truth and lies, and thusly the oath. Therefore, it cannot be reasonably expected to take an oath it doesn't understand.
@@geekley Yeah, I'm not sure a parrot could understand that. It may be possible to train parrots to understand simple stuff. Not a great example, but like if you get them to say "food please" they can likely connect that to food when you feed them. Similar to when you ask a dog if they want a walk. They may not understand the words specifically, but usually they connect certain stuff. That said, an oath, likely not.
The parrot would just be, well, "parroting" the oath without cognizance of what the oath compels them to do. Otherwise, a tape recorder set to a response system would count as a witness.
I had no idea there were so many lawyer let’s plays of Ace Attorney. Proud of the internet for convincing actual professionals with law degrees to suffer through this genius. Like, law school literally led them here.
The channel states that they "React to cross-examining a parrot", but the video ends as the parrot is introduced and no cross-examination of the bird takes place.
You can tell Mikayla is a lawyer based off how judgemental she is towards everyone in the game, especially the witness, then absolutely loses it when she has to cross-examine a parrot of all things.
God, Save Data is fantastic. Easily my favourite part of this case is Von Karma threatening contempt of court and Prij, their actual lawyer, screaming "YOU'RE in contempt of court, you FUCK NUGGET!" And also the fact that he voices all the cute little girl characters, meaning this grown-ass man regularly says 'Tee-hee!'
If I recall, the lore in the game is that trials can only last 3 days straight or something. So calling medical staff to prove the witnesses memory issues would have taken too long.
not just that, it absolutely would have von Karma 100% would flat out pay double Wright's entire net worth just to tell Wright's expert witness to take a 4 day holiday right then.
also in this game the lawyers are pretty much the investigators as well. the way you play the game you are way more like a detective doing interrogations then you are a lawyer really. it really is a mix of both, which is why so much of the game is stuff lawyers wouldn't do or say normally
There's stupider stuff in the future, too - Franziska von Karma's whip, for one thing. An amnesiac Phoenix still managing to defend his client. Godot throwing coffee at Phoenix. An assassin testifying via radio transceiver. Furio Tigre somehow impersonating Phoenix by wearing a blue suit and a cardboard badge. Sahdmadhi throwing prayer beads at the defense to shut them up. Blackquill siccing his pet hawk at people - heck, death-row Blackquill even prosecuting in the first place. And the witness animations...so damn over-the-top, especially in the 3DS games. Marlon Rimes rapping in court and holding a giant marlin; Andistan'dhin rocking out with giant speakers; plenty more.
The guy who ran the space center riding his out-of-control Segway all around the courtroom comes to mind as another of the ludicrously great moments that have come from these games :D
Then there's TGAA, where the witnesses have brought in court a baby, a swan, an easel to paint on, a cauldron of molten wax, fireworks, infinite fish and chips, the defense and prosecution are armed with swords and frankly, the prosecution isn't even sober (not to mention the number of times wine was hurled at the gallery, or at an open flame)
important to note that at one point franziska literally attacks the judge with her whip in a frenzy of attacking as many people as she can see out of blind rage and gets absolutely no consequences for it
I love seeing how this just breaks every single person. This is one time where "I'm not a lawyer but" totally works because this scene really does just baffle everyone.
And then there was a real case where a bird was used as a witness for a partner murdering the other partner in front of the bird. It repeated the victims screams for help.
I remember a case where a parrot was used as evidence to establish who was in the room during a murder and whether the defendant was acting in self defense like she claimed. The parrot was able to repeat a victim’s screaming before they were killed by their partner. You can actually hear the bird in a youtube video when the guy’s ex wife was interviewed, it’s pretty messed up.
Oh yeah and another one where a neighbor had killed a family and their dog (?) but left the parrot so the parrot was able to basically “record” their voices before they died ;;; it was so heartbreaking but really fascinating how that affected the animals too, that would’ve been extremely traumatizing for the bird 😔
And yet, thats still not in the top 3 weirdest ace attorney moments. How about a toy helicopter testifying in court? Or someone channeling the victim to testify? Ace attorney is very weird
I think my favorite thing about Phoenix Wright is how shameless the creators are about obviously NOT having any background in law aside from the movies and books they might have watched/read prior to and during production. And it only gets better now that I’m seeing ACTUAL EXPERTS react to it 😂😂
The creepy thing is that the japan court system isn't as different from these games as we would expect. Japan's extremely high confession -> conviction rate isn't thanks to good sleuthing... Look it up, there are multiple articles discussing Japan's legal system using the Ace Attorney games as comparison/starting point.
I love Save Data's playthrough. Prij's absolute disappointment is priceless, and the other lawyers reactions are hilarious too. If only the others besides Prij knew that there are cases of parrots having witnessed a murder, mimicking the victim's final miments, and repeating it on the stand. There's usually a rule against it, but exceptions have been made irl.
Prij from Save Data actually references it, because he knew what was coming and did research beforehand. According to him, while you can have a parrot testify, it's considered more like material evidence than an actual witness. Edit: It's actually in the video, take his word for it rather than mine.
@@XellosNi Not necessarily. Everything in court can be disputed. We tend to see material evidence as more reliable since we think of DNA testing or fingerprints, which are indeed very reliable, and we doubt witnesses because lying witnesses are a common trope, but both are only as reliable as they are beyond their status in the court.
@@anthonydeadman I googled "have parrots ever been crossexamined in court" and here is what I was told: "There have been some instances where the behavior or vocalizations of a parrot have been used as evidence in a legal case, "
@@Cajek2they never said testimony, they said cross examined, the parrot was cross examined into repeating what it heard which was used as evidence, it gave no testimony because it's a bird mimicking sound but it was cross examined
I don't know what's crazier. The fact that Phoenix tried this, the fact that von Karma PLANNED for this, or the fact that this actually ended up working out.
Fun Fact: John Dillinger burnt his fingers with acid in an attempt to errase or modify his fingerprints, when the burns healed his fingerprints where exactly the same
So, what you're saying leaves two main possibilities. Either we could've actually proven it was him by calling von Karma's bluff, as one of the lawyers suggested - or Yogi actually burn off his fingerprints very _recently_ as a precaution, probably with von Karma's assistance.
@whilenya4714 , well if it was recent they could take prints from the items in his home and get fingerprints that way. Your fingers have a unique ability within the human body in that they bassically have their own stem cell (not exactly but stay with me) that can re grow about an half an inch of your finger tip perfectly, forever. But if you go past that point they no longer grow back. Therefore I belive Yanni must have gut the tips of his fingers off at the first knuckle in order to not have any fingerprints
There was a case or two a while back around 2016 where a parrot that witnessed a murder and repeating back what it heard was used as a form of evidence in a trial. Granted, it wasn't full-on cross-examined, but it was treated as a form of evidence.
And Turnabout Goodbyes is set at around 2015, since the DLC incident was sometime around 1999-2000, and the case takes place nearly 15 years afterward.
To be completely fair, despite Polly being called for cross-examination in the game, shes only used as evidence!! She doesn't end up saying anything about the DL-6, but her name and a combination that could have been presented as evidence if phoenix had entered the locked box as such. Therefore, this case would 100% be possible in real life if we simply considered polly and the box evidence!! But its also way more fun to play the cross-examined parrot way lmaoo
Truly one of the funnest parts of watching the Save Data Ace Attorney series is watching Prij go from "What is this kangaroo court!?" To having fully just Accepted It.
@@macaronsncheese9835 I mean, my favorite part is that by Great Ace Attorney, Prij has accepted the shenanigans to the point he knows the answer of what to do in the final case and wryly hints at it to Zak and Wes. "Okay, what is the ONE THING that ONE PERSON cannot lef happen?" "Oh, is it just show this thing to him?" "Hey, Wes - you're right."
@@AcenMasterX Maybe I used the wrong word. English is not my first language. In French, Épaulard (Orque) is a kind of marine mammal that is most black, while Dauphin are marine mammal that have various colours, mostly shades of grey
The question of whether or not a parrot can swear an oath is irrelevant, because parrots do not recognize the authority of human laws. After all, no parrots were involved in the making of said laws, why would they think they need to adhere to them? No Domestication without Representation!
@@Dead_Weight21They're basically a breathing tape recorder, yeah haha While they can't swear on an oath, they won't try to cover themselves or anyone for that matter either bc they can't grasp that.
I love that the first thing one of the lawyers posited for the validity of this was, "Well, a bird can't take an oath. It doesn't understand the concept of truth and honesty." I love destroying ideas with technical semantics instead of just saying, "It's a bird!"
If the judge did not see that as a problem when the bird was placed on the stand, i highly doubt it qould have done anything. Karma has years of experience with this one
Birds have no reason to lie, because they don't have any concept of truth or lie. It's a living recording that will repeat exactly what it remembers, no falsehoods.
So one woman was in fact convicted of a crime because the parrot snitched on her. It was an African gray, one of the most intelligent birds on the planet and the guy that she killed was the owner. The bird over and over again kept mimicking the argument they had before he was murdered.
I feel like to truly have the complete experience, we would need a JAPANESE lawyer discuss this game. Phoenix Wright is pretty much a parody of the Japanese law system, insane conviction rate and all. I feel like, while having American experts is nice and funny, poking holes to the procedures, they speak from a place in expertese in AMERICAN law, not Japanese. Localizing the ace attorney series in "japanifornia" rather than keep it japanese kinda dilutes the point of why the game was made in the first place.
I've heard it was a parody of both japanese and american systems, so they're still relevant, but I agree a Japanese lawyer would also be very nice to have
Sorry dude but you fell for a rumor. There is zero evidence it was made as a parody, satire, commentary, etc. and everything people think are those things are as likely to be coincidental as irl japan is to convict someone.
The game started out as being about a Detective Naruhodo. But Creator Shu Takumi wanted the game to include calling out people on their lies which doesn't figure into detective work. Thus Detective Naruhodo became a lawyer instead. The core of the game is about solving mysteries and calling out contradictions in testimonies. It was not made to specifically be a satire or criticism of the Japanese legal system. Hell, the first game in particular was deliberately written to not be TOO Japanese because Takumi didn't know if the game or later series was going to be localized. He was eventually told no and thus he made it more Japanese in the sequels. Only for Capcom to go back on their word and localize the series anyway because curious Capcom USA staff liked the original game. A Japanese perspective would be interesting, but then their perspective will be on the original pre-localization game. And that would just make things confusing when they call characters with their original names. And most likely, that Japanese lawyer will just be speaking Japanese. A video that will likely hold little interest for Westerners dependent on subtitles.
I doubt we'll necessarily see everyone make it to Apollo Justice, but it would be interesting to see a compilation of reactions to the judge's final monologue.
@@ChubuPeng He talks about how the law is not perfect or infallible; it's a diamond that has been polished by centuries of trial and error, something that has to be preserved and protected. It's a very touching monologue.
@@jadencoreAnd it’s given in response to (SPOILERS) Kristoph Gavin claiming that the law is “absolute”, when in truth, the law is inherently flawed, and has to be constantly improved.
21:25 Funnily enough, I have also heard of a real life precedent of a case where a parrot kept shouting after it's owner's death. It was a lot of shouting and arguing and pleading. Parrots like to mix and match bits of audio they hear, so it wasn't clear in what order the conversation went, but it was obvious something bad had happened. The police were ready to write it off as no foul play if it weren't for this parrot. What parrots say may not be always admissible as evidence in court, but in this particular case, it did set the investigation in the right direction.
I love how not only did phoenix surprise them with the finger print thing, but not only that, none of the lawyers seemed to be able to come up with a reliable form of testing. Dental records could have easily deteriorated if he did not take good care of his teeth, and a photograph would have been in black and white, with age doing a number to wrinkle any points of commonality. These would have absolutely been reasonable doubt, but considering phoenix wright works in absolutes, where defense need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that their client wasn't a murderer, it's enough to keep the trial going. While yes, if you look at the timeline for phoenix wright, it implies that even DL-6 was past 2000, which would have been well past the time for color photography, blood testing and DNA testing. However I posit that the gourdy photos were in black and white, with only one of those photos being in color, implying that color, and subsequently DNA testing is a very recent thing in that universe. Blood testing however is a little up in the air since it's clearly available in miles edgeworth investigations, that seems to take place approximately 3 years after this game, that said, there's like no proof of anything in the phoenix wright timeline so take that statement with a grain of salt. Either way, neither miles, nor any other game make mention of the blood testing being a new thing, so it's hard to tell when it came up
In fact, because of a date given by the game we know that the DL-6 incident occurred on December 28, 2001 and because we know that the statute of limitation was about to expire, we know that this case ended at December 28, 2016. So either, the Ace Attorney universe is technologically stagnant or the game creator didn't think through the dates of the game very well.
Objection! The gourdy photos were in black and white for 2 reasons. 1. it was late at night, and colors get harder to differentiate in the dark, and 2. for at least the main gourdy photo, it was printed in a newspaper, which is already black and white!
@@agent_8167 Actually, your point is stronger than you think, the main Gordy photo in the newspaper WAS in color, however it was also saturated, with dull colors, implying that while color is available, it's still early and black and white cameras are still frequently used as not everyone would discard their old cameras to pick up new colorful ones immediately.
Gives us relevant information that could justify Phoenix’s choice in the cross examination…two seconds later but also in complete distressed “But she’s a bird!!?!” This must be so painful for all these professionals that spent thousands of dollars learning their craft.
This is neat, but it does stop before the absolute best part in my opinion, which is everyone REALIZING THAT VON KARMA in ONE DAY TRAINED THE PARROT NOT TO SAY DL6! JUST IN CASE.
Probably because Yogi freaked out when he saw heard Maya trigger it and told Von Karma about it. But he didn’t think about how much he based his personal details around his wife.
What’s more insane is that it has happened! Birds have been used as witnesses in court. One such example is Echo, a bird who was the pet of a Crime Boss and was used as a witness because he repeated the vile things his owner had said
1:03 "How 'bout asking him 'is your name Yanni Yogi?' How 'bout asking that question?" "Witness, what's your name?" "Yanni Yogi- Agh; Dangit! Got me again, Wright. You're a shrewd one!"
I actually remember a real case where a woman murdered her husband, and it was the husband's pet parrot (who witnessed the entire murder and even vocalized the husband's pleas for his life, as well as the wife responding with "Shut up!" and the sound of gunshots). So a woman was literally convicted of murdering her husband thanks to the testimony of a parrot.
I remember some years ago there was also a parrot who was repeating the last words and sounds it heard before his owner was murdered. Police believed that the event traumatized the bird and so it was repeating the event, which was then used as evidence in the case.
I see some have been seeing and liking this comment, so I wanna add that while I haven’t looked at it directly, there have been cases of animals (parrots or otherwise) that were used as evidence in cases and this also had to be given witness protection status, literally to protect them from the possibility of criminals trying to harm them to eliminate evidence or take revenge.
They will go through a crisis when they’ll reach over the DLC case of Dual Destinies where Phoenix has an orca as a witness. Best part? He DEFENDED the orca. 😭
Fantastic compilation! Great job with editing this all together, and although I've seen Save Data and Mikayla (and love their playthroughs) I haven't heard of Attorney Tom and Uncivil Law, so now I've got something new to look up, thanks!
You deserve the acknowledgement, man! Your distillation of RftA as much as possible and your current attempts to rework Bigtop to not result in {URP} while recording and even making Richard 'Human Definition of a Chatterbox' Wellington somewhat memorable for his love of LARGE BANANAS!
I love how one of lawyer's is asking for Mia to be the voice of reason yet finds a parrot far fetched. Implying that lawyers can have spirit mediums as assistants who speak to the spirit of dead lawyers lol
Honestly this was a low-key smart move from Phoenix, Karma would have butchered any evidence to exist, but he absolutely couldn't think of the bird To beat someone crazily paranoid, you gotta be crazily stupid.
And yet somehow he did exactly that and had Yogi retrain the parrot to not respond to the key phrase that would result in Polly to reply "Do not forget the DL-6 incident."
I love how they were distressed at Polly testifying. A couple parrots have almost been called as witnesses but ultimately there was enough evidence to not put them on the stand. One was the stated crime boss whose parrot witnessed and mimicked the sounds of abuse. The other was a parrot who witnessed his owners death and was repeating his final words of Don't ---- shoot.
Yeah, it's a bit annoying to see all these "lawyer reacts to phoenix wright!" Videos where it's obvious the lawyer is being shown an out-of-context clip, and keeps bringing up things that have already been explained in-game that weren't included in the clip they were shown.
@@ujiltromm7358I don't think a songle one of the many people who lie in court during these games ever sees jail time if they weren't already guilty of something else
@@KaitouKaiju Many do, the innocent ones do often times get charged with Perjury. But that is pretty much exclusively after the first game, as April May does receive a punishment if I recall correctly. A few examples off the top of my head, Iris is charged with Perjury as one of her many crimes in Bridge to a Turnabout, Olive Green from TGAA2, Adrian Andrews in Farewell my Turnabout. And a few others. But usually because the person commiting provable perjury IS the true killer they are usually charged with the primary Crime and we can assume the crime of Perjury as well. It's important to remember perjury is difficult to prove.
To be honest, cross examinating a parrot is pretty normal considering that we have to banish evil spirits by presenting proofs until they says "you know what? Duck this, I'm returning to the afterlife"
Props to including the Save Data team in this mix. Those folks are great and Prij's absolute disbelief and exasperation with how the "legal system" works in the earliest games in this series add an extra level of hilarity to those streams.
This is how his reputation begin to reach heights. I don't know what to tell y'all. You see it as an asinine desperate play, I see it as a lawyer showing how much he really wants to save his client.
_Let the parrot take the stand..._ _Let the parrot take the stand..._ _Let the parrot take the...._ *_STAAAAAAAAAND-!!_* *Von Karma headbanging commences*
i'm glad to see actual lawyers suffering as much as i do when playing these games. i literally have to take breaks in between cases now bc that court room is such a circus. literally none of my LOGICAL ideas for solving things are the actual answers and i gotta stand on my head to impress that doofus judge...
Well, now the lawyers know how we, computer engineers, feel every time we watch a hacker, or a hacking sequence, in movies. At least the parrot CAN repeat what she heard. The hacking in movies is even FAKER than that.
That’s actually a really good point one of the lawyers raised - get a receipt or a statement from the pet store employee that supposedly served Yanni. If nobody can provide a testimony of seeing him or selling to him, if there’s no security footage of him in there, and if there’s no receipt, he can’t have been to the store. Easy.
Also, this makes me wish that LegalEagle had made it past the first episode of the anime when he reviewed that on his channel a few years ago because I'm sure he would have gotten a kick out of this scene :D
Thing is, there was actually a trial were the prosecutor tried to cross-examine the pet parrot of a guy murdered by his wife. Parrot repeatedly yelled 'don't f**king shoot'. It was refused, but they say the final verdict was indeed influenced by its 'witness statement'.
