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(Part 1/2.) Stefan from Brooklyn, NY asks the hosts for their "basic reasons for the acceptance of atheism." (In other words, he wants to hear "proof and evidence that atheism is even accurate and correct.") He also wants to know if their atheism is based on their acceptance of evolution.
Excerpt from The Atheist Experience #668 of August 1, 2010, with Matt Dillahunty and AronRa. (Topic: viewer calls).
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@tmayne220 10 лет назад

holy shit Aaron and Matt. epic combo

@bloodgazm8891 9 лет назад

I like this AronRa guy. He seems like a pretty genuine dude.

@CorvintusDK 9 лет назад

Jude K You should look him up on youtube. He is quite a cool guy.

@daverobertson623 9 лет назад

Jude K - he is pretty cool and reasonable when debating people, especially stupid people, it seems like patience is his virtue!

@SockerConny80 7 лет назад

his only problem is supporting feminazi dogma.

@FallingGalaxy 7 лет назад

So says another young (or mentally disordered old) dude who's afraid women might actually one day BE treated equally.

@FallingGalaxy 7 лет назад

*Added in here, that's not to say there aren't extremists who have issues of their own and are 'man haters' within feminism, because there are, but the idea of equality for both men and women, and studying the fact that in daily life we tend to give more credence, more respect, more everything, to men, isn't harmful, and can actually help make a better world for all of us. Both men and women are often perpetuating the problem of sexism, which is why it takes us all to resolve it.

@michaeldobson107 9 лет назад

Stefan lost this argument when he said, "Hi...."

@yevodee4024 4 года назад

Don't you know that each and every god-espousing book is true? After all every such book is true because every such book says that it is true.

@Erik-yw9kj 9 лет назад

"The Bible is true because God inspired it. It says so right there in the Bible." How hard is it to see the circular argument here?

@mushroomfat 7 лет назад

Erik it's difficult when they're told to believe something and made to feel "foolish in their heart" for not believing something

@Erik-yw9kj 7 лет назад

mushroomfat Fair point - when you're told that you can't trust your own judgement, and that any doubt you feel is a dire sin - I guess it's easy to train yourself *out* of seeing the flaws. =\

@boscorner 6 лет назад

as a former Christian... very difficult sadly.

@DarkVWolf 6 лет назад

boscorner No it’s not difficult.

@boscorner 6 лет назад

DarkVWolf It's easy to see now of course, but It doesn't seem illogical when you are brainwashed by christianity. Thats why lots of former christians are pretty embarassed.

@shagoosty 12 лет назад

How love how creationists call in thinking that they're going to convert people with their awesome logic, and then they just say the same thing that's been said hundreds of times before. Usually been debunked as well.

@markmehlhorn2836 2 года назад

Stefan is a goof nothing more nothing less. 🤪

@matthewharrison9115 8 лет назад

Cesar (Stefan) is smart enough to call himself by a different name but not smart enough to disguise his voice or change his approach.

@garygalt4146 6 лет назад

Matthew Harrison (

@MadNotAngry 10 лет назад

Faith is believing, when it's beyond the power of reason, to believe.- Voltaire

@jacobkolsen6301 7 лет назад

thank you atheist experience for everything you do, these guys are the reason I became an atheist/agnostic. the atheist experience was the first atheist channel I watched and made me question my faith. you guys are awesome

@PaulTheSkeptic 8 лет назад

I love how they can do this without stepping on each other.

@MMDelta9 10 лет назад

AronRa is fucking AWESOME!

@MMDelta9 7 лет назад

In retro spec (and since Atheism+) I find myself having to redact this sentiment.

@danielpierik212 7 лет назад

M McQuarrie okay why? why is he not awesome?

@MMDelta9 7 лет назад

He drank the atheism+ kool-aid and fell into the same gender identity politics trap that has since plagued the atheist circles on the internet, kowtowing to the social justice sphere and abandoning all objectivity. In short, he became what he criticized, someone who lets ideologies subvert and dictate what he should believe as opposed to letting the evidence speak for itself.

@danielpierik212 7 лет назад

M McQuarrie i have whatched him for over a year now and the only thing he said to that affect was: i indentify as a feminist. now if that are gender politics i dont fucking know what is what anymore.

@MMDelta9 7 лет назад

Saying you're a "feminist" is one thing. Saying stupid shit like "if you are a feminist, you are a sexist, by definition," is another.

@dancingnancy09 12 лет назад

I love Matt and Aron-such brilliant people! I hope more and more people really listen to them

@rachelmarieLMT 5 лет назад

I never understood how Christians can believe god has some great master plan and that our lives are already planned out but also believe in free will. How does that work?

@2l84me8 3 года назад

It simply can’t.

@zemorph42 7 лет назад

"accepting atheism". By the time I "accepted atheism", the only thing I accepted was the fact that I had been an atheist for days. I became an atheist the instant I stopped believing in God.

@nikolaneberemed 7 лет назад

Actually, we're all atheists at birth. Nobody is born believing in any gods.

@kinganimal3075 7 лет назад

Every single person on this Earth is an atheist in respect to the hundreds of gods that have been created.

@nikolaneberemed 7 лет назад

***** Agnostic and atheist are two different ball games. The former is a claim of knowledge, the other a claim of belief. Agnostics say they don't know or can't know something, gnostics say the opposite. Theists say they believe god/gods exist, atheists lack the belief. You can be an agnostic atheist, saying that you don't know whether there are any gods, and not holding any god beliefs. You can be a gnostic atheist, or anti-theist, claiming that you know no gods exist and holding no god beliefs. If you imagine a Venn diagram with a paper and one circle on it, the people inside the circle are theists and those outside are atheists. Nobody is sitting on the fence, nobody is on the circle. Everyone is either inside the circle, holding a god belief, or outside, holding no god beliefs.

@zemorph42 7 лет назад

***** _+nikolaneberemed, The atheist does not believe in the existence of god and, for him not to believe, first he needs to know what god is._ That is the stupidest sentence I think I have ever read. Creationists don't believe in evolution or cosmology, but rarely have any clue what they really are, which is evident whenever they conflate the two, and all the rest of the sciences under "Evolutionism" as if it was an umbrella term applying to everything that they are too lazy to actually learn anything about. You don't have to know anything about a claim to lack belief in it, and not much more to reject it. _We are all born agnostic, which means that we do not have the knowledge whether to believe or not believe in the existence of God._ If you don't even have the concept, you can not have belief in it. No belief = lack of belief, which is all that is required for atheism.

@Amoth_oth_ras_shash 7 лет назад

no.. you cant acept something thats unproven , if you know what an atheist is...there is no fence ,theres just a group of people on this rock and some of those people walks around talking with invicible friends they demand others should consider real.

@KeithWhittingham 10 лет назад

Aaron's hair looks like he's taking part in a shampoo advert!

@user-hx5xb4ol7i 10 лет назад

he does have damn good looking hair.

@notimportant3914 6 лет назад

He has mentioned in the past, he uses horse shampoo, I've used it also, but it doesn't make my hair look as good as his.😢

@kinganimal3075 7 лет назад

Plot twist: The dude on left is actually Jesus.

@jameswest8280 6 лет назад

Except Aron is real, and not a douche.

@dikhed1983 6 лет назад

Woah

@tanjavankessel2548 5 лет назад

King Animal 😂😂

@brucebaker810 5 лет назад

Nah. Jesus had long dark hair. Check. Jesus was white. Check. But Jesus didn't have no mustache. I've seen lotsa pitchers.

@andrew_35 5 лет назад

If Jesus was actually wise he would have sounded like Aron

@Multi1628 5 лет назад

~ Thank you, TAE, Matt, AronRa ~ A decade later and still engaging and truthful. Shame on any commenting here in the negative. Truth wins. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~

@Wimpoman 9 лет назад

AronRa could make a great Klingon. :D

@BugRod64 8 лет назад

+Wimpoman how do you he is not?

@Wimpoman 8 лет назад

Google.

@stephaniecuellar3192 6 лет назад

Disney villain He mentioned it in one of his vids.

@cy-one 4 года назад

Nah, he's way too gentle for that :D

@DemstarAus 12 лет назад

"I saw a dragon in the garden!" "That's silly, there's no such thing as dragons." "Yeah there is, I saw one." "Prove it." "You prove they DON'T exist!" "I was in here drinking some coffee or whatever and you come in hear shouting about dragons and expect me to come up with why there wasn't one in the garden? You're grounded."

@freddan6fly 3 года назад

Stefan - world champion in dodging questions.

@BigBurkhart 12 лет назад

@freehling420 The entirety of this show is done on a volunteer basis, and while I've only just started working on the show a few months ago, I'm proud of the work I've done. I'm glad to go help every single week, and while doing this for a paycheck would be great, I'm happy helping out as much as I can now. It's really people like you who keep the show running, and all the support we get from viewers means a lot to everyone on the show.

@knightone57 12 лет назад

How could Aaron have made it more clear than at 6:30?How can he not understand this?

@johnchambers9836 3 месяца назад

Wilful ignorance

@laplacesdemon45 8 лет назад

I like how Matt says "correct"

@bpkeysurvive 9 лет назад

I love your definition of faith AronRa! I am gonna commit that to memory.

@BorisNoiseChannel 9 лет назад

Hey, guys. Great show (you've got the knowledge of phylosophical argumentation and such. Impressive!). Just gotta say: The picture on my screen, the two of you sitting next to eachother,... FUNNY! (keep up the good work!) ;-)

@JemmetGK 7 лет назад

Wow, at 2:35 that is the best definition of religious belief I've heard yet. I'm going to have to write that one down. "You have a belief system that is dependent upon faith. Faith is an assertion of absolute conviction, that is assumed independent of evidence and must be defended against all evidence to it's contrary." Profound

@scottj3311 8 лет назад

That hair is majestic as fuck I'll admit that and I'm a grown man. Much admiration.

@blindedbro 12 лет назад

great upload

@doctorZEEKe 13 лет назад

@BrentonSteinhilber Thank you Brenton, I am glad to see there are some decent,honest intellectuals left. sometimes people are just so frustrating and just not very understanding.

@caryfrancis8030 10 лет назад

Before one reads the bible, the question should be answered: Who wrote this crap ?

@verticalhorizon4633 9 лет назад

Cary Francis You can't know that something is crap UNTIL you read it. So, your comment was meaningless.

@caryfrancis8030 9 лет назад

Vertical Horizon Um ..... I did read the bible cover to cover. Thats how atheists are made.

@zemorph42 7 лет назад

Not me, I was a devoted Child of God for over seven years after I had finished 2 years of intense study of the Bible(at least, as intense as possible without learning the original languages and limping along with only the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew and Greek dictionaries.). Even learning the truth about the Bible didn't shake my faith in God; I continued to believe in God for another 13 years, though my mental conception of Her changed over the years. I had had a personal experience with the Divine and nobody could convince me otherwise, until I learned what evidence is, and Occam's Razor. Before I could rationalize it away, my faith was gone, _poof_, like a puff of smoke. That was the spring of 2013. The only way I can ever believe again is with *evidence*.

@mushroomfat 7 лет назад

Vertical Horizon I know I read enough of it to gather enough evidence to conclude that it is crap.

@chrishakala528 6 лет назад

Phelan According to the Bible, lepers can be cured with animal sacrifice and a blood ritual. There we go! It's crap!

@TimNeufeldWelddr 11 лет назад

Your inability to grasp the concept does not in any way indicate a creator.

@airfuzz4 13 лет назад

Great minds at work.

@phillippepe 13 лет назад

i agree comepletely with the "I am am not selling anything, i am just not buying from anything else". it is one of my favorate mantra's.

@Zaurthur 10 лет назад

Why is there a druid on the pannel today

@davids11131113 10 лет назад

Because he's expert at pwning fundamentalists.

@EASYTIGER10 11 лет назад

Aron Ra and Matt: The Alpha and Omega of hairstyles.

@BerrylProd 11 лет назад

If I may add, I really like the 'you need to KNOW that 3 fingers is the stipulation for identifying' part. Because if I'm reading right, that means that I even have to guess which solution, a.k.a. which number - or which deity - you're talking about, as the other possibilities are also, well, possible. Thanks for admitting it, it's pretty rare :)

@13enwarner 11 лет назад

AronRa Is so great at explaining.

@gamer93h96 8 лет назад

Lol he calls the show and doesnt even have a basic idea of what the word atheist even means.

@bridesheadrev 9 лет назад

God, if you exist, I challenge you to let us know on this RU-vid thread. If you ain't got an account, just fuckin sign up for one innit.

@Stabsnipers 9 лет назад

It is I, the LORD your God, my child. Bow to me and send me money. Or I shall smite thee and send thee to a place of eternal torment. I accept cash only. No checks, no money orders, no credit cards.

@dr.atheist4146 9 лет назад

I'd do what he says, he seems legit.

@Stabsnipers 9 лет назад

Dr. Atheist Thanks, doc. I grant thee eternal paradise. After you send me money, of course.

@dr.atheist4146 9 лет назад

Stabsnipers What address shall I send my tithing, my lord?

@Stabsnipers 9 лет назад

Dr. Atheist P.O Box: Heaven.

@cityofimmigrants 14 лет назад

I highly enjoyed the subtle pwnage of shock.

@RuleofFive 12 лет назад

Love this!

@Amigo21189 10 лет назад

How does one accept non-acceptance of a belief?

@verticalhorizon4633 9 лет назад

***** Your question is nonsensical. A non-belief is not a belief; it is a rejection of a belief.

@darkangle16 9 лет назад

If you believe in your god and do not believe in another technically means you are athiest so going with that we are all athiest in one way or another

@Khalkara 9 лет назад

james matteson Your comment gave me a brain tumor, thanks alot.

@1991stratplus 9 лет назад

An atheist doesn't believe in any gods though.

@KamasutraButterfly 11 лет назад

I'm actually written a book on exactly this subject, called "The Road to Paradise", Paradise of course used as a metaphore. Trying to show people that their life has value BECAUSE it's going to end I think is a really important task

@iaov 13 лет назад

The last two people I would ever want try and win an argument with. Aron and Mat you guys rock!!

@AnonYmous-if1sz 8 лет назад

it seems religion acts as a deterrant to logical thinking. The more religious you are the harder it seems you grasp simple arguments. It's because that's how the religious are trained. They are told believe in god it's only logical, and also told don't question god with your logic you are not worthy.

@badgerdog4809 7 лет назад

Anonymous Remember too the the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God, and that God will use foolish things the bring down the wisdom of the world, and rightly so.

@thedivinemrm5832 7 лет назад

Utter drivel, Badger.

@PhrontDoor 7 лет назад

+Badger dog So you are saying that your god is the author of foolishness? I like that.

@mushroomfat 7 лет назад

Badger dog another panacea inserted into a book of lifestyle instructions to keep you confused and conflicted, then to be told you MUST believe it without critical questioning, and that "the fool says in his heart that God doesn't exist" so you also feel like you're stupid in the eyes of your god and must correct that pronto. You're logic is not worthy of god, you're a fool for not believing he exists, and you have to believe that he exists regardless of anything that says otherwise.

@badgerdog4809 7 лет назад

Phront Door Come judgement day we will all learn who are the fools here.

@utubewastingmytime 8 лет назад

5:33 K, I'm done watching. This caller isn't getting it.

@stylesbypremo 12 лет назад

Wow, I have seen anyone with a good arguement!! lol You guys ROCK.. love it

@keepyoursanity 12 лет назад

AronRa nailed it with his definition of faith.

@rodlurks66 11 лет назад

Agreed I misspoke I should have used the term "statement" as an affirmation is: "the assertion that something exists or is true."

@eleminatus 12 лет назад

@MrPianoJames I certainly agree that initial position should be neutral. Bias is detrimental to uncovering truth. But after examination starts taking place, some ideas start rapidly losing value. I also apologize for any misunderstanding!

@MagnusNyborg 12 лет назад

@shagoosty concisely put. When someone already have made their minds up, they try to rationalise their belief, and adhere to anything they here that sounds good, ignoring any analsys if the claimed reason is actually true.

@davids11131113 10 лет назад

6:55....WOW that was a stunning subject-changequake, even for a Christian!

@Gunnarr123abc 13 лет назад

cool background bros

@maxorbit357 7 лет назад

Attention callers. Listening does not mean "thinking of what to say next".

@ChaoticRupture 12 лет назад

Great comment. :)

@kyral210 12 лет назад

Love AronRa so much!

@TamedShadow 12 лет назад

Very nice.

@Shimbabwe1 11 лет назад

Thanks.

@eleminatus 12 лет назад

@Fortune2point0 I could heavily argue the semantics here, but i completely agree with the argument you are making - disbelief is the default position.

@dkinetik 12 лет назад

cooool ... my two favourite Atheists :) !! job done !!

@AHughman08 13 лет назад

AronRa + Matt Dillahunty = the best combo ever.

@Fortune2point0 12 лет назад

@eleminatus That's the common consensus on what the terms mean, I rarely see anyone arguing differently.

@hermitkid12 12 лет назад

I wish I had more than one account to like your comment, mate. Well said.

@Zentz29 13 лет назад

@Drathora YES! I've said the same thing many times about many people, including Matt D. Some of the people they're talking to just don't understand them. There were times when I wished I could tell Matt to just dumb it down a bit so the caller could grasp what he's saying.

@sadochrist8534 13 лет назад

Aronra is so eloquent in his ass kicking.

@Lesserthannone 12 лет назад

My TV fell over, all the hairs on the left of the screen.

@eleminatus 12 лет назад

@MrCoolUS emm, I agree. There might have been a miscommunication. I was merely defining the position of a reply. Just like your analogy suggests, "I dont know" is the neutral reply (no matter the likelihood of such reply). "I believe" would be a positive reply and "I dont believe" would be a negative one. That was my only argument. I agree with the rest you say!

@urcorrect 12 лет назад

@MrJoaquin1978 For some good insight into how order arises, I suggest reading about, or catching some videos on cymatics. You'll find vibration is enough to cause complex patterns in what otherwise seems a state of disorder.

@Fortune2point0 12 лет назад

@2Jax I've heard something similar. And I agree that proving something 100% one way or the other is impossible, except for in base logic and mathematics.

@LJY08 11 лет назад

I love how these guys are really careful with their use of language because they know that one of the ways that religious people try to attack atheists is through their use of language. Words like faith, belief and generalist statements are avoided and clarified when used. I find it quite entertaining to watch.

@chucklingpianofun 4 года назад

@5:37 “poop indicates evidence.”

@tshawtshi3040 9 лет назад

both videos in description are not working. I'd like to see the rest of the episode can u plz provide a link to it :)

@Kristen70364 12 лет назад

AronRa is fantastic!

@leavesof3 14 лет назад

Poor kid. He's a bit slow and so passionate about his belief. It is so kind of these guys to patiently take time to try to explain their position to him.

@_noahrh 12 лет назад

AronRa seems like he could be a dungeon boss on World of Warcraft.

@pandorachild 12 лет назад

@MrJoaquin1978 "Abiogenesis is the study of how biological life arises from inorganic matter through natural processes, and the method by which life on Earth arose. Most amino acids, often called "the building blocks of life", can form via natural chemical reactions unrelated to life, as demonstrated in the Miller-Urey experiment and similar experiments that involved simulating some of the hypothetical conditions of the early Earth in a laboratory."

@isaachaze1 12 лет назад

@BRADizKING wow, their "arguments" never change lol. and as far as a response to your comment about disproving Zeus -- *cricket....cricket" lol

@f50tube 12 лет назад

what a deadly duo

@kengilmore2563 6 лет назад

I'm late to this one, but I would offer the definition of faith is simply a suspension of disbelief

@hewasfuzzywuzzy3583 7 лет назад

Theist: I'm going to keep replying to your questions with my own questions that you can answer, where as I cannot; therefore demonstrating without admission what I don't know, but continue to believe I still know because of faith.

@pdoylemi 11 лет назад

Since I made no mistake, I anxiously await you pointing it out! :-\ You are apparently without a clue, but I will be interested to hear what crap you come up with.

@OccamKant 12 лет назад

He's a guest on the show - he's a youtuber named AaronRa. Check out his channel. He looks like a biker (he is), but he's also incredibly well educated.

@YY4Me133 10 лет назад

The only "meaning" and/or "purpose" anyone's life has is the "meaning" and "purpose" they give it. In that, we are all the same, atheist and theist.

@zarcothecheese 11 лет назад

the santa claus/leprechaun/other god analogy would have been helpful here

@nickokona6849 6 лет назад

Matt’s cohost is well spoken

@brucebaker810 5 лет назад

Matt's co-host is Aron Ra. He is an eminent counter apologist. Big RU-vid skeptic. Has run for Texas Senate (or something). Ran, I think, against Kinky Friedman (author and musician), but I may be wrong about that. But yes, well spoken. And has become semi-prominent partially as a result of that.

@pdoylemi 11 лет назад

Sound s good! Good luck!

@Yay248 11 лет назад

Weird. It really seems that Matt and Aronra could be twins if either Aronra shave his head or Matt grew his hair like that. Their faces and physiques and even some of their nuances are so similar! (And they're both awesome)

@Volound 12 лет назад

tu quoque red herring based on a complete misunderstanding.

@GarretsShadow 13 лет назад

I want AronRa's hair

@GoblinXXX 12 лет назад

You can just hear the caller's eyes glazing over at 6:00, as Aron carefully makes an argument that sails majestically over the poor idiot's head like the Goodyear blimp.

@Shimbabwe1 11 лет назад

Sure. What constitutes evidence for one may be considered trivial to another. I think a cumulative case can be made for theism utilizing philosophical arguments. These arguments include the Kalam and the Leibnizian cosmological arguments, along with the teleological, ontological, and moral arguments.There really isn't space to list all the evidence(s) here--or arguments for that matter. Suffice it to say, there are at least a dozen good arguments for theism. Thanks for the dialogue, Ernest

@Fortune2point0 12 лет назад

@eleminatus Precisely. If I say "I don't know", then I do not believe it's possible, nor do I believe it is not possible.

@charliedsurf1267 3 года назад

Theists; That argument the pastor gave you to call in with, has already been refuted for several years.

@beirirangu 10 лет назад

where is the second half? the annotations are busted (I can't get them to work for the life of me) and I can't find a single link to what I can guess is the second half of this conversation

@raoskaos 13 лет назад

2:34 - "Well...anything." - hehehe

@Festias 13 лет назад

@iliveon Cool thing! I go to the College Park campus but I got wind of the event so I went. I enjoyed it but I got pretty annoyed with the father. He sure loved to talk at us and not with Matt.

@camy011 13 лет назад

@maxergud You are correct iff you define Atheism as: belief a god does not exist when a deductive argument this god is available, and no opinion on any god there is no deductive argument against.

@jojo2mag 12 лет назад

Does Aron ever debate? I think I'd like to see that.

@rodlurks66 11 лет назад

Questions in order: 1- I have no particular wish to challenge a person's belief in God (the reason I said "if") However if I was told that "My God exists" I would ask how they knew that. 2- I would want to see evidence as it would be an expansion of my own knowledge, this is why I would ask "why" in any situation. 3- I am not sure I understand this question, can you expand on this? Did you mean what are my reasons for wanting evidence? 4- again this would be an expansion of my knowledge.

@urcorrect 12 лет назад

@MrJoaquin1978 The point is that order with complexity does occur without intelligent intervention. The inability of a single process to alone produce life doesn't say anything about how life actually developed. But it's certainly time to stop invoking order as evidence for intelligent design.