Liked the ideas overall, a few comments though. Odd points about the hobbit ages. Frodo is actually served well age-wise by Elijah. A hobbit in their 50's aught to look like a human in their mid 30s. Frodo, however, holds the ring for the years between Bilbo's eleventy-first and the start of the adventure. So, for 17 years Frodo didn't appear to age a day (they mention it about him and Bilbo several times). I agree with the authority bit for sure (not so much the wisdom/ experience, but the authority), he's way more of a lordling-type in the books, but he probably should look about the same as the other hobbits. When it comes to Merry and Pippin, they're both a bit more wise and seasoned than Frodo. But I gotta agree with the movie's change. Definitely better that way & your ideas of extending the changes, I can also get behind.
@NoobMeister Well he still has some work to do then. If you loved the character, it's not because we has into girls. So it won't change anything if he's into guys. Peace.
The Major reason I liked this video... Though I don't think Lord of the Rings ever needs a remake is because of the casting from Frodo and Bilbo! Two of my favorite actors in two great characters!
Chris Rock should play Frodo, Terry Crews as Sauron/eye of Sauron, Betty White as Lady Gladrial, Will Ferrell as Gandalf, Yao Ming as Gimli, Nicholas Cage as Legolas... i need help with the rest of the casting
Did the math. 18 is 60% (3/5) of 30. So if Frodo is 50 than that means he'd have the responsibilities and physical maturity of a 30 year old human. Which means the other three would have the maturity and be treated equivalent to humans in their late teens and early 20s.
Really, we need another novel about WW3 or The War of WWW. We are put under the knife for verb and noun, and the poet is he who can deliver, yet, further, he must not gormandize, and he must drink water from a simple wooden bowl.
Nonsense. It should have as many remakes as possible. Every OTHER classic story gets remade over and over. Why not this one? It's deep enough that you could make 50 versions and they'd all be different from each other.
@@Serai3 No remakes possible at present age without depravity because that's what happens when you remake a thing only to cling to the edifice of decadent past, and it should not be depraved. We need a live action film of the "The Fall of Gondolin" right now: “For heart that is pitiless counteth not the power that pity hath, of which stern anger may be forged and a lightning kindled before which mountains fall.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fall of Gondolin “remember Húrin; for without mortal Men the Elves shall not prevail against the Balrogs and the Orcs.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fall of Gondolin
Makes sense compared to the books as well, since Frodo was the oldest hobbit in the Fellowship. Yet in the films Elijah Wood was the youngest hobbit character. He could easily be recast in any upcoming Tolkien adaptations.
@@danteloparco6708 he obtained the Ring during his birthday party when Bilbo left. It was his coming of age party when he turned 33 and Bilbo turned 111. He has the Ring for many years before he actually leaves for Rivendell.
The race's average life expectancy is 100 years. Two hobbits, Bilbo Baggins and the Old Took, are described as living to the age of 130 or beyond, though Bilbo's long lifespan owes much to his possession of the One Ring.. Hobbits are considered to "come of age" on their 33rd birthday, so a 50-year-old hobbit would be regarded as entering middle-age
I have never seen one of Bryans videos but honestly, as soon as he started talking about Sam i was like "hey that dude from 1917 had that energy" and i laughed my ass off when he actually showed up
@@akshat8710 The Hobbit movies are not bad, when they stick to the story, that is. Get Tauriel, Alfrid and Azog out of the picture and you get a more than decent result. Of course, it won't be on par with the Lord of the Ring trilogy but, hey, what is?
It’s interesting that you saw Dean Charles Chapman’s character in 1917 as similar to Samwise, because Sam was actually modeled after the lower ranked soldiers in WW1 known as “Tommies.” They were known for their loyalty and their willingness to protect the major they were assigned to with their lives. Hence Sam’s undying loyalty to Frodo. Tolkien witnessed this loyalty first hand when fighting in the battle of the Somme and based the character directly off what he witnessed. So solid choice
Sam was PARTLY based on the WWI batmen. But "Good Sam", the devoted servant, is a traditional character from English folk tales. Tolkien was deliberately trying to create a mythology for England, which had lost its own, so he used traditional ideas and characters as well as what he invented. (Which was hobbits, by the way. They were the only original things in LOTR. Everything else came from folk tales and the _Kalevala.)_
Nonsense. It's a classic story, and so deserves to be retold as many times as good filmmakers choose to do so. If the movie industry thought the way you do, every story would only be told ONCE and never again. It's childish, unimaginative, and boring. Please grow up.
Jesus f’ing Christ every damn time I hear “concerning hobbits” (the shire theme) no matter the time, place or context, I start to well up and my cheeks ache from holding back tears. This story and its soundtrack have a scarily deep impact on me emotionally that I don’t think will ever fade.
@Ryan Hunt Honestly, same. I don't think I'll ever not react to it this way. Also, whenever I hear the Rhoan theme song I also get the feels (it's my favourite soundtrack out of the whole trilogy together with "Concerning Hobbits").
I am the same height as Elijah Wood. Feel like I should definitely be the next Frodo based on that weak qualification. I recast Frodo as myself. Ignore that I’m a woman. I have dreams.
“leave him! i said. i never mean to. i am going with him, if he climbs to the moon and if any of those black riders try to stop him, they’ll have Sam Gamgee to reckon with”. My absolute favorite character 💗
I agree with all the choices, except I don’t know if they work together. I feel like James macavoy stands out way too much against a your other younger casted hobbits. Frodo in the book is wise and cultured but still very wide eyed and curious, Macavoy just looks too weathered to me. 50 for a hobbit translates more to early 30s than 40s in humans, and so aesthetically id put Iwan rheon (Ramsay Bolton from GOT)
Iwan Rheon actually said he'd have loved to portray either Bilbo or Frodo, so even he's aware that he looks like a hobbit, I feel he'd do an amazing job as Frodo
sure, but I would like to see him step away from the 'evil' roles for a bit (esp after GOT), and if you've seen him in his other works (Vicious, Misfits) he plays this honest vulnerability that would be great for Frodo. (Fun fact; he was even one of the final candidates for the role of Jon Snow)
TheAvatarxpotter exactly, that’s the only reason I doubt he’d get the hypothetical role. He’s a good actor, but even in interviews sometimes I can’t not see Ramsay
You don't know that. The next version could be much better. Where would film be if no remake of the 1915 Wizard of Oz was ever made? Or if they stopped with Laurence Olivier's Hamlet or Orson Welles' Jane Eyre? Why do people think LOTR is the ONLY classic story that doesn't deserve a remake??
Serai3 Blasphemy! Why is there always a constant need to reboot and “improve/modernize” on otherwise cinematic masterpieces? Leave it be - have respect for the classics, just look at all the horrible reboots (and box office bombs) Hollywood have produced in the last decade or so. Ever heard the saying “Don’t fix it if it ain’t broken”?
Bullshit. Classic stories have ALWAYS been remade. Mythologies are ALWAYS retold. That's how you know you have a viable mythology, a real classic - because every generation wants to tell the story again in their own way. It's a mark of SUCCESS, for gods' sakes. And I absolutely want to see a different version. My gods, I HOPE SO MUCH that the Amazon series does NOT look like PJ's Middle Earth. Enough with assuming only ONE way to tell a story. ANY story can be told a hundred different ways, if it's a story with enough depth and character. This one definitely is. And the last point is NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO WATCH ANYTHING. So if you don't want to see another version of this story, DON'T GO SEE IT. Simple.
Also, this: so you'd be happy with ONLY the 1915 silent Wizard of Oz? ONLY the Olivier Hamlet? ONLY one version of every single story, and nobody ever gets to make another? What if that version is dreadful and you hate it? Are you really happy to have ONLY the one you can't stand? See, your little argument falls apart almost immediately upon examination. Try harder next time.
@@Serai3 I don't think this fight between you two is very productive. Like you can both chill slightly, the level of vitriol is a bit much. Also, I think it is telling that after the 1939 version of Wizard of Oz there has not been a remake, because it was and still is regarded as a masterpiece. There are very few films that reach a certain level of regard that have been remade and when they have they are pretty universally hated (for example the shinning remake). PJ's Lord of the rings IS A REMAKE. They already made animated movies, but they weren't very good so a remake was warranted and I'm very happy it happened. What I don't like remaking excellent products. That's the issue. so many resources is wasted on a property that was already told excellently. Also, there are sociological reasons why the specific time LOTR came out that I don't believe a remake could ever recapture. PJ's LOTR on top of being excellent films in story construction, directing and Acting, also brought forth many technological advancements, and also industry-changing approaches to filming movies. For example, the motion capture work and the sophistication of CGI were revolutionary, furthermore, the manner of filming a film trilogy all at once was also quickly copied by the industry. Similarly, if you look at many films which are regarded as masterpiece they don't only tell amazing stories but lead to changes in film making for example again Wizard of OZ 1939, capitalized on technicolor in a breathtaking way, 2001 a space odyssey revolutionized in special effects, the shinning introduced the Steadicam to cinema. There are so many external factors beyond the mere story of PJ's LOTR that made it a cinematic masterpiece, that I don't see a remake being able to capture which is why I'd hate for hundreds of millions of dollars which could go to another project. So I respectfully disagree, sometimes remaking a property is impudent. There is a reason there are sequels to Jaws and not remakes of Jaws, there is a reason there will never be a remake of Citizen Kane. I don't believe there will ever be a remake of LOTR.
What about recasting eragon? The books are actually my favorite book series I ever read but the movie of 2006 was so bad that I always hope they'll remake it some day. I would love to see that as a recast series on your channel
That would be awesome. From the original movie, the one character that looked almost like his book counterpart was Brom. Jeremy Irons was on point. I'd cast him again, or maybe Hugh Laurie.
Yes, I think he would work well. For the charakter of Sloan who I believe wasn't even seen in the movie, I thought about Andy Serkis. I don't know why, but when I last read the books, I always saw him in Sloan
Fun fact: actors don't age at the same rate either! The 4 hobbits were, from oldest to youngest: *Frodo (51), Sam (39), Merry (37), Pippin (29).* The actors by age, in 2000, were: *Elijah, 19. Dom, 24. Sean, 29. And old man Billy 32!* The youngest played the oldest and the oldest played the baby! And Hobbits are considered adults at 33, so Pip was a minor! No wonder they wanted to send him home.
I really appreciate how you chose Samwise from 1917. A Hobbit, A Wardrobe and A Great War by Joseph Loconte goes in depth about how WWI effected Tolkien, and Sam was based off of the English soldiers in the trenches. It's a great book.
I think it works in the character's favor though. Picking a known face helps add gravitas to Frodo, make it easier for people to buy that he's the wisest and most matured of the four.
I would agree that a TV series would be needed to bring more of the books to the screen and I also agree that Jackson's trilogy is so iconic and a great a masterpiece that trying to remake it could prove to be an almost impossible task.
The thing is, casting a tall person as a dwarf alongside shorter people as hobbits worked perfectly because canonically dwarves are larger than hobbits. So if Gimli and Frodo are in a shot together, they don't have to worry about doing perspective shenanigans and whatnot, because actors are already the correct relative heights. If Elijah Wood had been 6 ft, and John Rhys-Davies only 5 -something, they would have had to spend a lot more time and money making it look right.
I heard the name Tom Hollander and immediately thought ‘Oh, he plays Lord Beckett in Pirates of the Caribbean.’ EDIT: OMG I’ve never had this many likes before...wow imagine actually being excited about only 30...Aw well I’m weird like that
I don't think the actor you cast for merry is a good choice at all. He physically does not match the description in the books. I think someone who is on the much younger side would be good to consider, as even Frodo who is 50 is still considered youthful, therefore the equivantet of Merrys age in hobbit years to human is closer to 21/22
Frodo is Thirty during Bilbo's last birthday before he gives up the ring. Bilbo makes a point about Frodo being old enough to come into his inheritance early.
Hey, if you do the math and convert hobbit years to human years, Pippin technically IS a teenager (probably 15-16). The younger look would definitely suit him. Billy Boyd did a fantastic job with his character, but it's ironic that he's actually the oldest of the hobbit actors in the original trilogy. Your casting choices are great!
I liked what you did with the Frodo Sam relationship and think that would add a new dimension to the story and character development during the long trudge through Mordor. Your recasting series are full of insightful observations and I’ve enjoyed them.
I don't think anyone could take Elijah's place but if I had to choose I'd have probably chosen Colin Morgan. He is in his thirties and would be amazing, particularly to portray the pain Frodo is in mentally as he feels that the ring is taking over. Now what you say about the relationship between Sam and Frodo. That is totally true and I think it could grow a lot on screen and serve as character arc if in the (hypothetical) TV show they started with the master/servant dynamic. Side note : A hobbit at 33 = A human at 18. Frodo had the ring when he was 33 and stopped aging so Elijah actually had the perfect look.
I LOVE Colin Morgan, don't get me wrong, but he is also 6 foot tall, which seem too out of place for a hobbit. but he definitely would have that jolly hobbit energy. I was actually thinking he could be a good elf! like Glorfindel!
@@Lessareve Damn, I forgot about the height. Which is a pity, because he could have the jolly Hobbit energy but also play the darkness and the growing despair very well. He showed us a hint of that in Merlin, and I've watched a lot of his more recent stuff and I'm convinced that he'd play Frodo's character arc almost perfectly. (Also, perhaps a bit selfishly, I'd love for him to become a bit of a more household name, which playing Frodo in a LotR television series would definitely make him)
@@Lessareve He could play Legolas! Legolas doesn't have any particular features ascribed to him in canon (not even his hair colour) other than being described as "fair of face" and having long and slender hands. Colin is even taller than Orlando Bloom!
@@Casutama Yes i totally agree with you, Colin deserves to have more recognition and get a bigger spotlight, he is a tremendous actor, all the facets he showed in Merlin are SO good (grumpy, comical, dark side, love side, eloquent, shy, etc ... plus he has an amazing voice acting capacity!!). I was very disappointed when he was not cast in the Harry Potter recasting series ( I mean, Barty Crouch Jr or even Snape? many possibilities here). Anyway, physically, he is tall and thin, so he does not correspond to the "big warrior" type imo, so unlikely to play a "human" in the LoR, but I think for an elf it would be brilliant look, tall and thin and this kind of out-of-touch, aerial moves. And Colin would bring so much skill to the part! I did not think about Legolas to be honest (sorry, Glorfindel IS my favourite elf), but it would be interesting to have Colin explore a more serious role, so indeed it could be a really good fit ;)
I actually enjoyed this recast! I loved the Harry Potter recasts, but was wondering how you would make it with LOTR, one of my favorite trilogies ever. And, well, I can just say that I'll be waiting for the other recasts with impatience
Elijah Wood was very good in "Fellowship", but he was so young and Frodo is described as deep, haunted and aristocratic in his bearing. Ben Whishaw would've been an ideal Frodo to me. John Hurt would've been great as Denethor back in the day (book Denethor, not the grotesque caricature in the film), Not really any other thoughts
@@michaeloconnor5904 In the books (17 years), yeah, but in the movie it's pretty obvious that Gandalf returned after a rather short time. A change to the books that I actually like. But it screws up the timeline.
R the cast wasn’t a problem though. The problem was that Peter Jackson became the director at the last minute, so he was unable to prepare things as much as he could when he made lotr
And he became incredibly ill during the process, and had a hard time thinking through things. That being said, I did disagree with a lot of what was done. Still love the movies though.
Wouldn't Dean Charles Chapman be kind of the perfect age though? Hobbits come of age at age 33, Sam was 38 at the beginning of their journey - just recently off age. That fits very well with a 22-year-old actor. Actually, if anything, McAvoy is quite a bit too old for the role - Frodo is 33 (=18) at Bilbo's party and 50 (=27-28) when he starts on his quest. If you want to go for the "Frodo is so experienced" vibe, a 30 year old actor would probably fit the bill. McAvoy is 40. Not that I'm complaining, I think he's a terrific choice! As for Merry and Pippin, they'd be around 21 and 16 respectively in "human" years, so Merry's not that much older, really. I think Ben Schnetzer is actually perfect for the role, even though he's quite a bit older than he's supposed to be (he should be basically as old as Sam is) - i LOVED him in pride and I really sort of like the vibe of Merry being somewhere between a more experienced Frodo and a young, determined Sam in age. However, I do disagree with your choice of Craig Roberts for Pippin
Ok, I'm excited for this, and am actually glad you haven't gotten to Aragorn yet. While Viggo Mortensen really got the role down well, he didn't have the right look, in my opinion. There are many moments where his appearance is described as rough. At one point, he tells one of the hobbits, "You'd have to sleep in a hundred thorn bushes to look like Strider." He should be scarred, his skin leathery. He should look as much as possible like a man who sleeps outdoors on the ground most nights, and sleeps in thorn bushes to keep animals from getting to him.
Will you do a video for the minor Hobbit characters, such as the Sackville-Bagginses? In the books, they play a larger role toward the end of the story.
This is my cast for Hobbits: Frodo Baggins=Tobey Maguire Sam Gamgee=Dean-Charles Chapman Merry Brandybuck=Chris Pratt Pippin Took=Tom Holland Bilbo Baggins=James Broadbent
James Macavoy will be perfect Frodo. Though I like Elijah Wood as Frodo. James Macavoy as Frodo popped once into my head much before I watched your video, so when I saw that your thoughts matches with mine, I was bound to subscribe ☺. I know LOTR will never be made again, still, what's wrong if we imagine it? Imagination has no bounds☺
When you got to Sam I said “Nope, no way will anyone but Sean Astin be good.” When it was Dean-Charles I said. 😆 “Amazing idea! Call his agent NOW!” Keep up the good work.
Frodo was indeed in his fifties at the time of the books, but came into possession of the ring at 33, just after he came of age. With the ring, he didn't age much. So it makes sense that he looks younger.
I just assumed that a hobbit's 50th was like a human's 30th so that their aging wouldn't halt during the maturation process. Using ratios we have: 18 is to 30 as 30 is to 50. Assuming 30 is the maturation age for humans of course.
2021 Strider: Donnie Yen 2021 Eowyn: Fan Bing Bing 2021 Gandalf: Idris Elba 2021 Legolas: Kirsten Stewart 2021 Gimli: Melissa McCarthy 2021 Gollum: Ellen DeGeneres 2021 Orcs: Henry Cavill, Johnny Depp, Chris Pratt 2021 Merry: Emma Watson 2021 Pippin: Brie Larson 2021 Sam: Amber Heard 2021 Frodo: Sonequa Martin Green 2021 Bilbo: Meghan Thee Stallion I think that covers all bases for current year.
Technically, he was a hobbit-like species but not exactly a hobbit. His people were more comfortable with water, whereas hobbits for the most part are scared of boats and don't swim. The exception to this is the Took family of hobbits, like Pippin, who are seen as strange to other hobbits because of their use of boats.
@Bryan Seeker: Interesting fun fact, that your choice of Samwise plays in "1917", as the character of Sam was created by Tolkien out of his experiences in WW I: There were (younger) soldiers which assisted the officers and higher ranked soldiers. This inspired Tolkien to create Sam as a loyal companion, more a servant than a friend (at the beginning).
@@gideonMorrison have you seen captain Marvel? Samuel L Jackson had it, but you could not see the difference between the real young Samuel L Jackson and the CGI
4:40 I agree with this analysis. In the books, Sam's actions are out of loyalty to, pride to serve, and love of his master, rather than a strong friendship. Though that is certainly also there in the books, it isn't his main driving force within them as it is in the films, where he and frodo act as equals. I prefer the film's take on this, their relationship in the books felt weird to me, though that may just be due to the change of times (it was written almost 70 years ago, and was likely in the works for longer).
I always felt that Legolas was a really underdeveloped character in the LOTR series. He just seemed sort of perfect and dull when he could’ve been more. That’s a change I’d like to see if it was remade. But I guess with assemble casts it can be hard but game of thrones managed good characterisation for most of its seasons across a broad spectrum of people so 🤷🏽♀️
Don't agree with James McAvoy, he's the wrong age if we're going by hobbit lore. I also think he just doesn't look right, his face doesn't fit a hobbit. Rest of the choices were okay.
I would say Jackson and the actors did an amazing job, and they told a good story. However, it was not LOTR, there was so much cheated from the story. I think a BBC series like what they did with Pride and Prejudice.
Tom hiddleston in any role💪🏼💕, Tom Hiddleston as Leggy 👌🏻😍 thank you!!!!!! Please this must happen!! I always thought that no one ever could take Orlando's place as Legolas, but like you said Tom Hiddleston would do honour for that role
The harry potter series was phenomenal and im so happy to see this too. Im not as big a fan of Lotr but i can appreciate how well they adapted the books. Gotta say tho i personally think Nolans Batman was my fav film trilogy.
Bilbo should look far younger. The Ring stopped his aging, so he shouldn't look older than a fifty-something Hobbit, which translates as a human halfway thirty, I suspect. Frodo's physical age was also stopped or slowed by the Ring. As he inherited the thing on his 'coming of age' at 33 (human 21) he should not look too old, but McAvoy still could pull off a convincing Frodo, because while the Ring might retain Frodo's youthful look, he is still mature and, yes, wise. He should *feel* like the oldest of the four oldest, not just look it. Yes, I like all your choices.
Excellent choices. Also actors with depth real birtish accents. Frodo was perfectly portaryed..i wouldn't change Elijah Wood ever..Lets Hope there will be no remake LOTR Will Age well like gone with the Wind and the sound of music did.
Omg your picks for new actors are Golden! I have seen all your Harry Potter videos and i am not a fan of recasting thing but damn I AGREED with all your recastings (except Voldemort because I want Ralph Fiennes to play him again. But i am biased, he is my favorite actor of all time) And Agree with all your castings again! Tom Hollander is awesome, loved that you picked him.
now, i agree that you can't make perfection more perfect, but now you're making me want a lotr show with this cast xD (also, if we needed more lord of the rings content, then i would love to see something about either the fall of arnor and the fight against angmar or about the grey company (bc lord of the rings online made them such amazing characters and got me to love them soooo much)
With harry potter, the point can be made that while the movies were good, they had to abandon a lot the overall narrative of the books to fit into the films reduced runtime. As a result, despite the films overall quality, I don't necessarily see them as definitive. But Lord of the Rings. Absolutely definitive. Because Jackson was really only telling one story, not seven (and had vastly expanded runtime over 4 hours in the extended editions), most of the cut plot is from the beginning of fellowship and the end of return of the king. So unless you absolutely love the scourging of the shire, or tom bombidil, I can't see any benefit to remaking this when stuff like the simerilion (sic) hasn't been adapted yet.
I love the Lord of the Rings. If there was a remake/reboot of the movies I would be sceptical because the movies and actors in my eyes can’t be replaced
This looks so weird.... You have chosen good actors for the hobbits.... But it still looks weird. I am definitely subscribing and waiting for the next video
You’ve missed on Frodo a bit because of the age Frodo would be older but would look about the same he had the ring for like 18 years before setting out
