I've seen many tanks get grenades thrown into them in movies, but throwing a grenade out of your tank, that might just be the most intelligent Russian in the whole movie
@@moustachio9936 Ideally yes. Realistically no. Forcing open a Tank Hatch from the outside is not impossible. Or even that difficult. If Infantry manage to dogpile a tank. Forcing open the hatch is relatively simple. Not particularly easy but simple. If your fighting a war with a tank and a ton of people managed to climb onto your tank 1. Your doing it wrong. 2. Your soon to be either a POW or a corpse. The reason Tanks even have mounted machine guns on them is to keep enemy infantry from getting close to them. That said. In the 90's a meth head in Cali stole a tank and went on a rampage. Among the police that day was an retired tank operator. He forced open the hatch of a modern tank and shot the Meth head. The entry hatch of any Tank is the weakest point. Regardless how well you make that hatch. You can force yourself into an tank provided you get onto it. With a variety of different tools. Bolt cutters, light explosives, High Caliber firearm to break the hinges or locking mechanism. Tanks with few exceptions are not perfectly sealed so you could pour Gasoline etc into a interior air intake port then set the entire crew on fire.
TRUE FACT. "Soldier of Fortune reported that the movie's T-72 tank was such a precise replica that "while it was being carted around Los Angeles, two CIA officers followed it to the studio and wanted to know where it had come from".
it actually is surprisingly easy to get an authentic T-72 and back then satellite states and some areas of the USSR were selling off T-72s or even just dumping them anywhere.
@@PortlandSucksss Robert becomes a cold blooded sociopath I didn’t like him all that much. Danny is my favorite because I think he’s the one who remains a truly good person Andy’s a badass. My least favorite is Erica. You rank the wolverines I’m curious
My father used to tell me stories of his time in vietnam as a tank mechanic and operator. Said those things were POWERFUL. He fell for them. I love tanks. Always wondered why i grew up liking them lol. But i love this scene. So badass. And the rpg is the icing on the cake
I understand that love; my Daddy was Air Force. He was w/A-10 WARTHOG test team & once it was perfected our family followed that awesome beautiful plane all over the globe. *A-10; most accurate air-to-ground combat hits. Super important when fighting countries who like to put their command center next to a hospital or maybe orphanage 👍Side note: President George W. Bush said it was “too loud” 🤔🙄 Of course he probably wondered why B-2 Stealth also loud lololololol
Depends on the crew it is very well possible, for starters they probably started panicking since they were outnumbered the loader and gunner probably got scared. And took them awhile to calm down and find the groove. Your right M1 would’ve been able to nail them if they were calm. But who knows what was going on inside the tank.
Both tank crews probably would have ended the fight within a few shots. Not gonna claim which would win. Just depends on if the blows pen or not. After all in iraq there's cases of both abrams and challengers bouncing shots from rockets, and such over and over. However these were hits. So yes depends on how well each crew is trained. Also why are we discussing that small thing over the fact this movie is silly fun to begin with?
I really do enjoy that they still used an M1 Abrams despite that no other military movie at the time were able to show it off like this movie did. The others always used the M55 Sheridan or the M60
Colorado here is on the fringes of “Free America” and Enemy Territory. The enemy infiltrated from the South and North, cutting the U.S. in half after a brief nuclear exchange. At this point the fight has reverted to a Conventional Land War.
miroporvos your profile picture is perfect for when you feel the need to criticize some asinine details about anything...your probably the kind a guy who practices beer pong in his parents basement in case somebody actually invites you to a party.
RingSight91 Who cares if they didn’t have thermal optics that doesn’t help with aiming, these tanks had modern fire control systems and should have easily hit a target a few hundred metres away with their first shot.
@@ricky6608 True. It was likely done to convey a "hey, the world's gonna end soon. Why not have one last tank fight before it does?" kind of vibe. It wouldn't be much of a duel if they hit each other on the first shot. Maybe our boys (as only men were permitted in combat arms in 1984) missed on purpose.
@@NotQuiteApathy they were REALLY close. The concussion could have very well killed them. Its just like having a considerably sized explosion 1m away from you
The CIA came to them after hearing about T-72s and BMPs being loaded onto flatbeds and driven around LA, they bought most of the mock up tanks after the film, for their Spy Plane pilots to use as spotting practice.
@@michaelmerritt7406 Still, Abrams tanks had superior optics than their Soviet counterparts. Realistically, that single Abrams would've won against both those T-72s even without help from the protagonists
At this point in the war tanks on both sides are probably manned by raw recruits, and are being rushed to the front with sub-par fire control systems that are cheaper and quicker to produce. These aren't Abrams and T-72s as we think of them - they're monkey models of each.
Spot on. The movie was WAY off. 73 Easting. Was truly the last tank battle. The bad guys learned the Americans were NOT kidding in how deadly their tech was. It's improved a lot in 30 years too. 73 easting. 1 US Bradley destroyed. 160 to 0. Iraq losses. 600-1,000 killed and wounded 1,300+ prisoners[5] 160 tanks 180 personnel carriers 12 artillery pieces 80 wheeled vehicles Several anti-aircraft artillery systems[6]
@@smileydag8 months goes by……another explanation is green replacement crews being cranked out as rapidly as possible to fill depleted ranks. Short training time, lack of experience…..happened a lot in WW2. Vets survived fight after fight but the new guys would be lucky to survive the first few minutes of their first battle.
@@robertcooper6853 as a 15 year old I got to use a gunnery simulator, the built in systems of an abrams tank's fire control system is DEAD EASY to use, especially if the targets are stationary like the soviet tanks are in this scene.
@@MiishaKorvian it isn't just the gunner that has to be able to their job. The loader has to be able to get the right shells in the right order under fire at the right time. The commander has to be able to pick the targets as well as maintain situational awareness for other threats (ATGMs, anti-tank helicopters, unseen tanks on a different vector, etc.). Your driver has to be able to be ready to move at a moment's notice even when that gun is going off just a few yards in front of his position. And what happens if the fire control system is knocked out or malfunctions? Then you have to switch to the backup systems which aren't much different from those used in WW2. Add in the panic and pucker factor and it doesn't matter how easy the system is to use. The human element is always the most unknown variable in the equation.
They aren’t real soldiers just civilians taught to fight even people who play cod/battlefield know more about war tactics then these kids and when it comes to a tank many ways to blow it up from underneath or behind it if you wana be daring then a grenade down the turret works to like how Daryl did
Oh the sound of the main gun firing is quite sad but since it’s from the 80s I’ll let it pass. In a actual situation with tanks the main gun would make you deaf for about 45seconds(that is just a estimate idk how long it would actually be) or they would be permanently deaf sitting that close to the main gun
this scene is pretty visually awesome, great props and well flimed overall, but like a lot of the movie the sfx are horrible (bad 70s/80s stock sounds, why do tanks' engines stop, etc.) and the actors are either doing their worst or not being directed very well, e.g. yelling all of their lines even when they're trying not to be detected by a Soviet tank that is right on top of them. with all of its faults its still among the greatest 80s B-flicks especially for anyone who lived through the cold war. it's just a corny low budget movie that with a few tweaks could've been terrifyingly realistic at no real extra cost.
Now I'm no military expert/Call-of-Duty tank nut-or-whatever but I read that one of the biggest strengths of the M1 was its ability fire with pinpoint accuracy WHILE MOVING. I don't think it would be standing still. lol
Remember, outside of the M1 units, _no one_ knew how accurate the M1 FCS was... nor how good the stabilizer was (this was a few years after _Mobile Suit Gundam_ where they depicted tanks being very inaccurate on the move or 'shortstoping').
i'm a hetero guy but i still had the same reaction as lea thompson did to Powers boothe's death at 2:03. one of the best secondary characters in movie history! He gave the immortal line: Jed Eckert: How did you get shot down, Colonel? Col. Andy Tanner: It was five to one. I got four.
Iafiv Iv thanks but at the time the A-10 which probably had some problems designing because there wasn’t really any jet ground-attack fighter before the A-10 and the fact that jet engines are extremely fragile under heavy fire and probably some weight issues
@@terrystrohl4923 If you watch the movie, about 30 seconds before this scene there's a F-111 making a bomb run. Believe they show some A-7s as well (which existed well before the A-10).
I like the fact that they named battles after where they were at the time Calumet High Ford's Fence Rocky mound Concentration Camp 44 Tanner's Pass Partisan Rock
It is a pity that this film was not shown in our country in those years. I am sure that we would have suffered from abdominal pain caused by loud laughter for a week.
The one who played as Darryl that betrayed them was at my high school. Los Altos high school in Hacienda heights California in the 80's. In class we watched it on TV during the class hour.
I loved this movie. This scene was unfortunate in that it put the "Wolverines" into an actual battle rather than a guerrilla scenario. They were out of their element, and suffered a lot of casualties. They were pretty much finished after this scene.
You don't engage in a tank battle if you are not in a tank. Pop smoke, give coordinates and get the heck out of dodge. The Wolverines should have listen to the Colonel.
In the early stages of a US-Soviet war, absolutely. However, the war had been going on for a while. A declared state of war most likely existed between the Soviet Union and the United States. As such, both sides would wind up using conscripts.
I admit I thought the remake was good, but nothing touches the original. You can nitpick the military details all you like, but the entertainment value is huge.
I like how the comment section is outraged by the inaccuracy of how the tanks look. Meanwhile, the guy dies to a grenade going off right next to him and there's barely even any blood.
True story: Red Dawn was originally written as a romantic comedy about a girl menstruating but the production crew accidentally started WWIII (the rumor is that it involved an episode with Jennifer Grey, a Soviet ambassador and bad case of cramps). Anyway the director liked the result so much he decided to (slightly) change the story and keep the combat footage.
In reality, that M1 would have splashed both of those T-72s (I know, they're M551 Sheridans made up to look like T-72s) with the first 2, at most 3 shots.
2023 and Russians still send in tanks to attack without infantry support. This movie was ahead of its time - predicting that they cannot execute combined arms well. 😂
The US tank in this scene is an M1 Abrams (armed with the 105mm M68 gun mind you, not the 120 on the M1A1). Back when this was made, the M1 was being pushes in to replace the M60, which, while having the same gun, did not use modern shells and did not have sufficient armor protection for the 1980's. The M60, however, was still ubiquitous. The M551 Sheridan was also in service, but was no longer common as both the high command and the crews disliked it.
Not very accurate, really. But it is Hollywood, so accuracy should not be expected. In any event, the American tank would not have been firing from just one spot. It would have moved between shots. Also, there are only four tanks in a platoon, so the other three tanks could have been taken out already. In 1984, there were not very many Abrams tanks to begin with. Our units still had M60A3 tanks. The turret is hard to see in this clip, but it appears that it might be an Abrams. In reality, it would be more likely that M60A3s would be doing most of the fighting. The production of Abrams tanks didn't kick into high gear until 1986.
Why is the driver’s hatch on the ‘72 open in combat? With the kids and the pilot hiding below the main gun, the muzzle blast would deafen them and incapacitate them.
I always wondered what it would look like if it really did happen. Spent many days of my youth pretending to fight the Soviet Union. Now, some want to be communist.
