I understand debate is necessary and I welcome it, but on the other hand also find myself getting fatigued by continuously looking for the right skincare products and devices, reading up on them, finding out what's supported by science, then landing on a routine, only to find out it might actually do more harm than good and being back to square one. I thought out of all the things I've tried red light would be the most harmless, now it's yet another thing that might cause fat loss. For every ten industry professionals that rave about a certain product, there's another ten that warn you about their harmfulness and another ten people who say it ruined their face. At this point I just don't know what to use anymore. There's just not much left that doesn't come with a "might actually age you faster". I think I'll just go live in a cave.
@Santana Caipirinha I posted nearly the same comment on another channel yesterday - I UNDERSTAND. I miss the sun, so pardon me while I age quietly in the corner. Less aging doesn’t get a better seat in the afterlife.
I agree with you. I keep my skincare really basic and just try to eat a lot of healthy foods that will feed my body's cells and drink a lot of water and try to get enough sleep. I also do things that make me happy (to reduce stress). Whatever happens after that happens. 🤷
@@thehonestchannel Even sunscreen may have risks, depending on the ingredients. Better to only go into direct sunlight for short times and cover up with light clothing and a hat when in the sun!
I have used red light for wound healing primarily with me and my kiddos. As a nurse I can tell you red light has helped in the healing process especially with surgical wounds.
It also got rid of my granddaughters many deep warts without any procedure or pain, got rid of skin tags healed horrible burns with a single scar, etc, I’ve had one for 25 years ❤
@@Camille_Anderson Hi. I am suffering from rosacea too and was wondering if LED therapy will help it. Can I ask you how frequently you use LED therapy and when did you see results? Thanks
I have heard anecdotally that microneedling is great for both cellulite and crepey skin on the body. I would be so interested if you did a whole “body skin” series. I’ve heard everything from Gotu kola, aloe vera (topical and oral), no sugar, etc, but nothing conclusive. Would be fascinating series…
@@thehonestchannel I would also like to learn about the microneedling home procedures using dermapens or derma rollers 🙂 Do they really work and are they worth the risk?
Finally some healthy and honest discussion around skin health, devices and skincare. It's basically impossible to find this kind of content related to skin nowadays. Keep up
Thank you for the kind words. You may be interested in the videos we created to educate about facial fat fitness. ru-vid.com/show-UCDGq_AGhHaiuXP0A29PfBAA
@@aeducator1 I wanted to use the protocol you mentioned of 4 weeks. I have an LED mask. Yesterday I was in my fifth week of treatment (precisely 5 weeks and 11 days), starting from today I want to stop and give my skin some time. Do you suggest 3 months? Or should I probably wait a bit longer because I already did more than 4 weeks?
@@aeducator1 infrared is known for detox and fat loss since a long time. I don't understand why the expensive masks are near infrared. Even if it is not infrared my mind tells me that near infrared could cause more fat loss than the ordinary red light. Just because a device is expensive doesn't mean that it is not harmful. I would not use a near infrared mask. I have a normal red light mask without near infrared and I had that sensation that my skin looks very nice but each time it felt in a way stressed. For that reason I didn't use it often. I think that perhaps generally all heat or cold based devices have that risk for fat loss. Thanks to God i did not notice it with my skin but I Do not use devices every day. Except Tretinoin with breaks and everyday cupping. I would love a discussion about microcurrent. Not ems but microcurrent.
With over 5000 clinical studies that support the safety and effectiveness of photobiomodulation it is clear to me that it’s the best game in town. It has made me look and feel 20 years younger.
Taking care of my skin is essential. Red light therapy has been transformative, significantly improving my skin's texture and reducing wrinkles. At 46, I look and feel much younger, and the changes are noticeable to everyone around me! I got my RLT panel from Future Form Official, and it's budget-friendly, making it a great investment in my skincare routine.
I recently purchased a red light panel for skincare purposes. I work in healthcare and have had a lot of neck pain with performing frequent CPR, lifting, running to codes , and just being under pretty intense stress all shift long. I had had this pain from the base of my skull, down my shoulder, and down my back (but only on my left side.) Stretching, massage, NSAIDS, exercise, time… nothing was helping. I was like WHY NOT.. let me sit in front of my red light panel pointing toward the affected area. 15 min later, that pain was 100% gone. That was over 3 weeks ago now. The pain hasn’t returned. I also get a lot of headaches from facial muscle tension (when I can afford Botox, it helps a lot). But when I was using the read light for my face/ neck skin, I realized how much less pain I was in for the next few days. I mean, I feel like the dang red light is magic!!! I’m happy to hear about the long covid treatment with red light also. I’m a respiratory therapist, and everything that comes from Covid is so strenuous, devastating, and still so unknown!! Thank you for doing this work!
thank you for doing a job that must be incredibly difficult & fraught with real stress! hope you keep well and red light helps!! i use it for skin but also fibromyalgia pain.
I really appreciated this discussion. I'm 69 now and have used a mito panel red light for my skin, for arthritis and sciatica. I've had the best results with it for arthritis pain. I use it for 10 minutes on my hips or lower spine- depending. Every day for maybe a week and each day the pain is less, then gone. I use it on my face maybe 1× week with green tea and have seen a tightening and softening of wrinkles. No miracles- but pretty great for arthritis..
Red/IR is great for osteoarthritis. I use it in my practice for skin rejuvenation but my mom had bone on bone, torn meniscus and osteoarthritis in both knees. We would do the light on her knees once a week and she would be able to be up and about with minimal pain until she had replacements. We also did it after her replacements to speed recovery and it worked wonders for her. Also worked great for her skin in conjunction with other treatments i was doing.
@@austinpowers1999 it’s safe around the eyes as long as you aren’t staring at the light directly. I use goggles on my clients when they’re under the panel. It won’t hurt you though. There’s even evidence of it helping with vision issues.
It's helped me with skin conditions, soft tissue repair and elevating joint pain. As for eye protection, I think it depends on the type of light and intensity. I always use it. Protection is a good idea unless a competent medical professional suggests otherwise with a specific type of light treatment being used. Some believe it's good for the eyes though that could mean a variety of things. Other structures around the eye could be beneficial in relation to eyes. Directly into the eye would be something to *avoid. Where your eye protection and reserve light exposure for them with natural, low intensity light!
@@austinpowers1999 yes as fitnesssoup says here depends on power and intensity - we use 670 nm at 8 mW/cm2 for red light therapy glasses - this is very low power (you just wear them as normal glasses, eyes open or closed) co-developed by world-leading eye scientists at UCL UK, home devices have instructions about this / provide goggles etc, best to sit further back from panels / powerful sources, if it seems bright to you wear protection / consult medical practitioner
Very interesting, I’ve been using the small 300h desktop model and I’ve found it has made an amazing difference to my skin. I follow the guidelines and use it usually for 10mins five times a week. My skin looks so much better, less grey and more plumb. I’ve not lost any fat on my fave.
Just throwing my hat in the ring here, I’ve been using a Rio Facelite (same as Omnilux / Current Body type) for the past 8 months, about 5 or 6 times a week as I meditate in the morning for 30 minutes each session. My skin looks amazing and there are no signs of fat loss (blemish free, very limited fine lines, over all great skin). That being said, this (great) discussion has given me pause and I’m going to cut back to 20 minutes twice weekly from now on just in case there are some surprises coming my way in the future, I definitely don’t want fat loss of any sort on my face. Thanks for the info 👍
Thanks for sharing your experience. I wish the makers would do some longer term studies so they could specify long term safety protocols for red light. So much points to it being safe but without knowing for sure it leaves niggling doubts which is a shame. It’s been shown to support fat loss because it improves cell efficiency so I don’t see it as a major cause of problematic facial fat loss. Would also be good to have more studies around that though!
@@thehonestchannel Thanks for your reply Clare, loss of facial fat would probably be everyone's most feared side effect of any skin care treatment/product and so having a clinical study (if even a minor one) on that would be an interesting read. I happen to know the people behind the Omnilux brand and will be dropping this very question into the conversation next time we're chatting together, if there's something of substance to report on the subject then I'll make sure to revert back to you 👍
It seems that maybe the model we should think of is exercise. Exercise itself does not build muscle, strength or endurance ... it challenges the body such that the body adapts and makes itself bigger, stronger or more capable of sustained effort. So, stimulate the body or skin with red and near-infrared light and then let it adapt and improve. This suggests that "every day forever" may not be ideal. By the way, the Omnilux instructions say to use the mask 3 to 4 times a week for 4 to 6 weeks, then "as needed". Kind of vague, but they do hint that constant use may not be the right approach.
Thanks so much for this discussion! (I was actually thinking the same thing that you should call it “discussion” rather than “debate” 😉). I’ve had a red light panel for a couple years. I use it for my face but also for various injuries. I’m a dancer so have various injured body parts. And I must say it absolutely works! Completely has taken away back pain! Also I’m glad to hear that you actually probably should not use it every day. I go through periods of not using it and have wondered about this. If you’re really curious about digging into the science look up Andrew Huberman here on RU-vid. He’s a professor of neuroscience at Stanford and does very deep dives into the science of various health topics. He has a video about light therapy that I recently watched. It’s not just about red light and not just about skin, but fascinating information.
Absolutely leading the way in transparent discussion on an industry that often packages hope over science. Thank you so much Ms. Johnston for continuing to ask for data and citations; seeing this in action helps us in so many ways outside of beauty, and is personally helping me how to ask for references like a journalist. You are SO COOL. thank you.
Excellent, excellent presentation for those of us home red light users. We really needed this information and I for one had not herad it elsewhere. Thank you.
I was using my Omnilux 5-6 days a week for several months when I first got it and did see some improvement. Interestingly, we went on holiday and I didn’t use it for a week and noticed when I resumed I had a greater improvement. Maybe it was the break.
I’ve been using my red light quasar device for over 10yrs. It’s fantastic. No fat loss. And I use it before applying RetinA which helps with the absorption.
I started out using my red light mask 6 days a week, but now I use it 2: times a week. I have seen great improvement on my dark spots and I don’t have any deep lines in my face which I am very grateful for. I am going on a holiday and will be gone about 19 days and I definitely will not be taking my red light with me so it will be interesting to see if this did make any difference in my skin. I LOVE these discussions as there really isn’t much information that comes with red light products and there should be. Thanks 😊
Ive been using redlight since 2005. Treatment was based on NASA studies back then. Which was 24hrs in between treatments. I stick to this schedule most of the time. Lumiere is a brand that had aesthetic face panels. I started off with that then moved to hand helds and panels.
I've been using a neck and a face mask, Omnilux, every day for 2 years. It works. No bad consequences yet. I recently started using it for my neck arthritis. Too soon to tell though. I would love a bed, for my entire body but $25K is currently out of my budget.
U got to compare the irradiance. Some devices ( like panels) are stronger than others like masks. And then there is clinic strength. So saying a person with a mask at 60 irradiance needs to rest for 3 months, like a person using a stronger in clinic device is not fair. The output is vastly different.
I had infrared therapy for weight loss and it was amazing! I felt so good while doing it and noticed other benefits with healing but I would be worried about losing fat in my face. Just like I won’t put red light on my chest or buttocks since I don’t want to lose fat there
I've been doing red light therapy at home for over 15 years give or take and I'm a big fan, but this discussion was fascinating and gave me a lot to think about. I love that the doctors aren't arguing about the "right" way to do anything but honestly providing information on their areas of expertise. You've earned a sub from me! ❤️
I purchased a full body red light panel 11 months ago. I use it 2x daily for 20 minutes. I am a 56 year old woman and I lift heavy at the gym and do cardio 5x a week. My skin looks incredible and I’ve turned back the clock several years. I recover from my strenuous works outs almost immediately. I had all kinds of pain in my hips, feet, and back that has been eliminated. I have a ton of energy!! I have seen some fat loss but not enough to say it’s from the red light. It’s mostly from being in a caloric deficit. I do use Adipeau cream on my face while doing the treatments and people have noticed that I look younger, more youthful. The lines on my face are disappearing. The time under the red light is very relaxing and reduces stress overall. Am I getting too much red light? I highly doubt it. My overall health is excellent and I have no reason to reduce the treatments. Light and sound will be the new modalities to treat disease. In my opinion everyone should have a red light device.
@@4tun8nanette No, I purchased Platinum LED lights - best on the market at the time. They now include blue lights in their panels so be mindful of that before purchasing.
Hi Clare, thanks for this brilliant discussion, there is information here that you won't find elsewhere. I have owned a red light panel, a hand held light and a Current Body face mask. I can definitely attest to what Ivan said that too much red light is a bad thing. I've cut my usage now and I find my skin is responding better. I only use my CB mask once a week for 20 mins (I might cut this to 10) It does cause an inflammatory response (which I saw when I used my hand held red light on a large burn that was almost healed - within seconds it started to bleed and pain again) However, I find it brilliant for those niggling joint aches that you get when you overdo something. So although I've got rid of my full light panel, I keep the smaller light and mask. Both have their uses but I feel that even using the mask every other day (for skin rejuvenation) can have the reverse effect for some of us. Almost every google search on red light therapy only tells of the positive effects! Also, I would say to anyone to wear the goggles as it does not benefit the eyes as some claim. Look forward to the next video 🙂
@@thehonestchannel I forgot to say that using my red light mask for 20 mins/week has given my skin a lovely glow - I wouldn't keep using if I wasn't getting results! I do like it, but I feel 'less is more'.
Hi Clare, me again. I’m about to watch. But A suggestion for the next topic with Ivan: talk about microneedling. Not with rf at a clinic but at home rollers. Ivan said it was helpful somewhere. I’d like to know more.
Me too I bought a Dr pen and couldn't use it I was too scared there is a clinic near me that does prp so microneedling with plasma I am not yet brave enough
@@thehonestchannel sweet! Can you include using a good vitamin c serum ( geek and gorgeous fe) with it. That used to be IT: microneedling and then do vit c serum immediately after.
I totally love every single video you make ! What a breath of fresh air your videos are ! I saved up for ages and bought the Dermalux Flex . I use it 5 days per week 20 mins for days . Results are quite incredible over time . I do apply my Niod survival 0 first and wait 20 mins first to get that anti oxidant support whilst having the treatment . I hope your having a wonderful weekend . Xxx Daniel
I’d also LOVE to hear more about microneedling. Appropriately depths to use, therapies and skin care to use alongside it, frequency, etc. I do microneedle currently, but would love to see a protocol for it based by science. Thank you so much!!!
Do you use it for just your face or other areas as well? I’ve had a micro needle for quite some time, but have not used it consistently enough. I always soak it in rubbing alcohol before and after each session. I’ve used it for my face and for my thinning hair (hair line, top/front of my scalp behind the bangs area, and the crown of my head). To my understanding, deeper needles are good for larger body areas such as the thighs, stomach, shoulders etc.
Very interesting discussion, I'm actually relieved to learn about the possibility of too much red light therapy can be ineffective and/or possibly cause negative effects..i'll be honest, I'm not great with using my skin devices consistently for long periods of time, yet..am frustrated with spending the money and not using them enough to be beneficial..so, this debate has addressed those concerns for me. Wonderful content Claire👏👏👏😊thank you.❤
you need to follow a strict procedure for red light to give fat loss it will not on it's own cause fat loss, I have used my small light panel on my body to heal after 18months of illness similar to long covid after a flu jab, I wish it would reduce fat but it has not, I have found it to be healing in many ways, but you need to follow guidelines for distance and time, too much reduces the benefits gained, the closer you use the panel the time should be reduced, red light is also dehydrating so lots of water before and after and moisturiser, using it at night also aids sleep. Dr Qian Xu thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and experience with us it's very much appreciated
Thank you Clare. Yes, I agree with changing to discussion rather than debate. I would like to hear Ivan and Dr. Qian talk about using hyaluronic acid along with Adipeau. I have stopped using any hyaluronic acid products since I started Adipeau because I heard him mention products that bloat fat cells. I don’t know if anything has been established about that. I look forward to the discussion to the next discussion. Thanks again!
Up to 3 times a week for a panel or a mask is fine in my opinion for maintenance. I use one the Celluma Panels personally. I'd say look at it like charging your phone if it's at 💯 percent your not going to get anymore charge keeping it charging. Same applies to LED, you can't over do it per say however using it more frequent isn't going to give you more significant results because as it's said in this video, the cells can only absorb so much led light energy. I think the sweet spot is 2,3 times a week in my opinion.
Such a great discussion, thank you!! Wow, I have been using my Omnilux red light face and neck masks 5 days a week for over a year. Yikes!! I am definitely taking a break. I recently started tretinoin and will stick to the basics, embracing the less is more philosophy, thanks to Claire!
@@nataliaharrison7454 I mostly noticed a reduction in hyperpigmentation when I first started using it. My skin does look pretty good at 57, and it is hard to know what else it is doing v. my skincare. I also had started using a retinol about 1.5 years ago and recently switched to tretinoin.
So you cut off the omnilux completely? Why? Just because there are some threats that are not backed by science? I feel so frustrated because based on this channel and this anecdotal evidence all modalities might cause fat loss microcurrent, red light, tretinoin and I'm guessing that microneedlimg is on the way! 😖
As someone with a chronic inflammatory skin condition (Psoriasis), I have to say that intro of red light inflammation has helped it immensely. I would have done pics but as someone who has treated my Psoriatic and Psoriasis naturally, people don't believe my anecdotal information. I was free of both conditions for 10years this way but a "treatment (V)" for covid flared both conditions drastically. Diet and lifestyle is helping but once I brought red light in, my Psoriasis has calmed down 70-80%. I am happy with that. Really not happy the conditions flared again though.
Thanks, for this informative debate. I purchased a Red light mask today, and decided to research the procedure. Now, I know that more information is needed for me to feel safe, especially having a small face that can't take losing any weight.
You may find this follow-up interview helpful The link between free radicals and red light and how to get the pros and not the cons! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ekSdDL5pFps.html
Great discussion!! I fully believe in a multifaceted approach to all wellness issues.. love my Mito Pro .. it’s effect on sleep quality is quite Amazing ♥️🕊🛌🕊
@@kiramiftari9486 i have used it just because of time .. but prefer earlier in the day if possible.. it took a number of weeks but Wow what a difference in sleep 😴
Hi Claire, I love you channel. Please do watch Dr Dray’s response to Ivan’s misrepresentation of tretinoin’s studies. After watching two videos with Ivan, I’m starting to feel that he makes controversial statements that are not well supported while conveniently having a product that has all the solutions to everyone’s skin problems (I recall his product has very little evidence, small study without tissue analysis). Is this really ethical to promote?
Hi Helen. Sorry for the late reply. I appreciate the concerns though I should say the points made in both debates are supported by scientific studies and I think that's important. There is also no mention of products in these discussions. The Adipeau cream is based on a very simple formula so I don't think there's an ethical issue there but I do listen to viewer concerns and take them seriously. I'll be drawing on a variety of different specialist contributors in 2023 to bring you a range of views.
I’ve got the LED mask from current body and I use it every day. I like using it as it also improves my mood. Maybe I should use it less. It broke in the summer and had to be repaired and I really noticed a decline in my skin after not using it for a month. On a side note, Claire, your face looks amazing, so much fuller and more youthful, normally I wouldn’t comment like that but know you use Adipeau like me. Are you seeing the difference? I love Adipeau and I’ll never be without it now.
We should talk more about the fact that every oxidation reaction that happens in our body which is the essential way our cells take the energy from glucose produces a certain amount of ROS and some toxins is totally normal..we have our organic antioxidants like the glutathione.. the problem starts when our cells are overworking and this antioxidants can't make it in time to "clean" all the toxic intermediates..i would suggest when doing red light therapy first be very careful with timing and not over do it, second use some antioxidants like drink green tea..
So interesting,a very informative discussion. I haven't yet invested in a red light mask but I have been looking at them recently, I think if I do invest I will use it for 4 weeks then take a break for a while the only thing that is of slight concern is the discussion around fat loss thank you for this
So glad you found it helpful. I think using it regularly for 4 weeks at a time then taking a break is a really smart way forward. I have a mask that I haven't been using that regularly so I think I'll do similarly. I don't see fat loss as a major issue with these masks, particularly if used sensibly.
Considering how many blatant mistakes your guests made in the previous “tretinoin debate” & how many things they got wrong (esp Ivan with his glaring conflict of interest), i’m not sure how much I could trust what they have to say this time around. You need to find better subject matter expert if you really want an “honest debate”.
I guess that’s what’s debates are about, it’s just discussion and may not be facts but just opinions. We have to do our own research from different sources for sure.
I have just started using red light and oh my goodness it’s helping me tremendously. I can’t say enough good and I sat on the fence for wayyy to long. Although everything happens for a reason. Lol
Dear Clare, I want to share my thoughts on this topic with you, too. The masks that is often used for the face are near infrared because it increases the ATP production more than ordinary red light But here I see the danger in fat loss because the more you increase ATP to the highest level you can, the more you can exhaust them in the same time, what can more lead to fat loss. The device companies tries to bring the maximum for the skin .... but it is better to energize the cells just as a stimulater than to overwhelm them. It is the same with exercises. It can turn into the opposite when you try to bring the maximum. For that reason I would not use near infrared masks, even not less sessions.
Could we perchance please have further details on interaction with red light in the context of melanin please? Very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
All your wonderful discussions are making all of us that much wiser your podcasts are amazing and I would love a show on micro needling as I have heard many great things about this treatment
Another great Discussion Clare. Thank you. Can't wait for the next one. Learning a lot before starting to buy a new "thing" for the skin. I have rosacea on my cheeks and heard for my doctor that red light is not a good thing. The fat loss is something I did not hear from any other person.
Love this type of discussion you're doing Claire. Having three people definetley makes it more interesting. Only wish is that it went on longer. I'm gaining much more respect for Ivan too the more you intrview him : ) Thanks again Claire.
Hi Kerry, thank you for the kind words. I have been training aestheticians about facial fat fitness and realized that education is really the key. We need to develop a scientific literacy for skin that's similar to what the field of nutrition has. This is a huge priority for me for this year. We are going to use a messaging platform to do interactive education. I will do a video about it once it is ready.
Thank you for a really nice critique of Red Light Therapy. I personally am looking into it for my thyroid. I have Hashimoto’s. I was hoping you’d cover that as well. Perhaps you will find another show to cover it? There are som pretty ‘out there’ claims too regarding brain health. I think we all need to be careful with something still fairly new.
Have the Omnilux mask, used consistently for almost 2 years (4-5 x week for 10 minutes at a time) and thought I was actually seeing skin aging, more sag and volume loss. Had pet emergency and stopped using it for almost 3 weeks now and my skin is looking much better, volume looks better. I may go to using it once every 2 weeks-
Yes! I used it consistently for 3 months and got way more issues than any benefits like my new darker spots, skin tags I also noticed volume loss around eyes and more facial hair (makes sense as it stimulates hair growth) I stopped using it and am noticing more volume loss.. I regret buying this mask so much
It was an interesting discussion that was respectful as well between the opposing sides merely presenting what they know or read. I’ve personally never heard of any negative stories with red light therapy. And there are a lot of stories out there on it. This is also from users and consumers. Not just people trying to sell a product. If there is any takeaway from this it’s moderation. Don’t feel you have to use the device every single day indefinitely until the end of your days. Take frequent breaks. Give your skin a break. Maybe do it 2-3 times a week for a couple months then reduce that to once a week. Maybe take a 2-3 weeks off. I’m just rattling a suggestion. I have no science or evidence to enforce the suggestion. But I think as far as the two studies he brought up, those are just two isolated studies. And as the Doctor pointed out, we don’t know the details of those studies. What kind of tumor grew in the mice. Is it a tumor people get and things like that. And it was just one case. But I don’t know how much studies have been done with red light therapy. There was a time that humans believed cigarette smoking was not harmful or addictive way back when. Then down the line we discover info that it is. Just food for thought is all. The bottom line is there seems to be more evidence illustrating the countless benefits of red light therapy than any negatives. No one has come forward with a negative experience. Just don’t go crazy with it is all since it’s not necessary. More is not better with most things. Oh and everyone’s skin on this panel looks incredible, so whatever they’re all doing works! :)
These guest with opposite opinions on red light have been so well behaved and I think we should thank them for not having interrupted each other and letting each present their their feelings and research themselves without interruptions very nice guest thank you
I really enjoy these discussions, love what Ivan brings and appreciate the depth of information he brings to us. I too use a red light mask and glad to hear it’s appropriate to take breaks. Maybe the inflammatory response is what is causing the fat loss, so interesting that there is very little depth of consistent research. I too am an Adipeau user and really loving it.
I use a red light panel with wonderful results on a troublesome knee and on my face. The face is a bit troublesome for me because I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer while using this 3rd generation panel and was loving it. I don't know if there was any connection with red light therapy as i was using it almost everyday for 20 minutes. The machine was powerful as it actually filled in skin that had been damaged from an accident. I am left confused about redlight for my face but I am 100% positive for use on the body. This was a wonderful podcast. Thank you ! Katherine
This is my first time watching Dermal Debates. If it's how it typical goes, you three are a model for how people with different experience & viewpoints should treat each other -- with openness and respect and curiosity.
SIDE EFFECTS WARNING I tried Red Light Therapy for the 1st time earlier today. Everything I saw said there are no side effects. But I am here to say I am def having side effects. I did a full body treatment at a salon about 12 hours ago. My skin still feels hot. I feel uncomfortable and weird. It is now 2:30AM and I cannot sleep. It feels like I have a bad sunburn but without the burned red skin. My skin feels hot but not burned. I feel like I have too much energy but not in a good way. It's hard to explain. Also I have been using UV tanning beds for 15 years for winter depression and my eyes are always fine with simply closing them during a session. The red light bulbs seemed 100x brighter and I had my eyes closed the entire time and ALSO wore dark sunglasses. When I was done and opened my eyes my color perception was so off everything looked blue and grey for about 30 seconds and took all day for my vision to return to normal. I've never heard of anyone having these side effects so I'm just here to warn people. Maybe the bulbs were too strong at the place I went. The session was 15 minutes but it feels like half that time would have been sufficient. Hopefully I can sleep and feel better tomorrow.
Yikes. I'm sorry that happened. How many minutes did you use it for and how many inches away from your skin? What company? I'm not questioning you. I'm trying to learn more about red light therapy. Again, I'm sorry about your side effects.
@@mimimoon6082 It was a full lay down bed at a tanning salon. They said 15 minutes is the standard time but I only stayed in about 12 minutes because my skin was feeling so hot. I don't know about the bulb strength or all that stuff. But I did develop a new side effect the next day. In addition to feeling worn out/wired I also developed muscle twitches on 4 or 5 different locations on my body over the next 48 hours. Here is the weird part. On the 3rd day I started to feel better and had improved energy/mood for the next 2 weeks. So i decided to try it one more time. This time I only stayed in for 8 minutes. I still had side effects but not as bad. So from my experience both times I had those side effects that lasted 2 days but on the 3rd day and beyond I felt great. Next time I might just do 5 minutes IDK.
@@moonwvlf6919 thanks for posting about your experience. If the bed offers the option of decreasing intensity and/or using near infrared light only, perhaps those might be better options. Another possibility is that a home device, which has a less intense output, might give you better results. If ordering from Amazon, you can usually return it within 30 days for any reason. I have a home device that is an LED belt, and it offers 4 levels of intensity and one can use both red light and NIR at once, or just one of those wavelengths. I noticed the red light was pretty warm and the NIR far less warm. I decreased the intensity because the treatment for my lower back pain (arthritis and degenerative discs and scoliosis), while very effective, exacerbated a pre-existing rash from a drug allergy. My dermatologist noted that heat to the rash would naturally increase redness and itchiness. So I switched to NIR only, shorter time (20 min vs. 30 min), and lower intensity, with a better balance of effects. Hope this is helpful info for your situation. Best wishes.
@@moonwvlf6919 your comments about the side effects after a repeat treatment fit with some studies I have read about light therapy. The twitching and mood change both are consistent for increased serotonin (twitching is a common side effect of serotonergic meds - what is concerning is that such movement side effects can persist even after stopping the med). I came across claims that red light boosts both serotonin and dopamine. I also came across a study that successfully used NIR to the head to treat major depressive disorder. This suggests the NIR boosted serotonin, but unclear from the abstract (and the full article is paywalled). When using full body treatments, people are getting some penetration through the skull, which can influence neurotransmitter metabolism. High serotonin levels can cause “hypomania,” which can interfere with sleep. If you want to continue with full-body treatment, it would be wise to review any meds or supplements you take that are contraindicated for use with SSRIs. Such meds, like grapefruit juice, impair production of a liver enzyme that degrades serotonin in the body. I experienced an interaction like this with an anti-fungal med, which caused serotonin syndrome (potentially life threatening).
This is very interesting thank you and I hope you’re ok now? I’ve ordered some panels. I have autoimmune conditions and I think I will use more near infrared than red light and make sure to have breaks in using. This was a helpful discussion
Dr. Ivan Galanin is 100% correct about consumers not getting the correction information on frequency of red light therapy usage. Manufacturers need to provide extensive instructions. The brand goes from level 1 to 10 and the preset time range is 5 mins. to 90 mins. The higher end is quite extreme which I don't plan on doing, I would love to see a video to explain how many sessions and length of sessions to do per day. I agree with Dr. Xu's final thoughts. I believe there are more benefits than risks with red light therapy. You can read about it and hear people's testimonies all over social media.
I have been using my Mito300 panel for 3 months, and although my skin texture has improved, I definitely have new melasma on my cheeks and neck. I am very diligent about sunscreen. It is definitely the Red Light. I do 10 minutes a day and sit a bit further away than recommended. It is so frustrating as everyone is using this with success with no new pigmentation issues 😫
I’m very very curious about it… My gut feeling was always telling me that red light may cause melasma issues… I have an old hand device which I use sometimes when my neck or back feel sore, but I was always hesitant to use it on my face… I’m blessed with a good skin but want to keep it this way, so curious about anything anti-aging and still don’t know if I would use red light because of the potential risk of hyperpigmentation… Maybe it’s just my feeling, so would love more science behind it. Can anyone share more info red light and melasma related?
Let's also remember that adjacent to red, infrared-A interacts with the bound water of cytochrome C oxidase (Andrei Sommer), in fact likely also with any other interfacial water that it can reach ...
Thank you so much - this discussion is so helpful as I begin to use red light therapy and try to dose myself safely and effectively to meet long term goals of health and beauty rather than short term agendas. Warmest regards Jennie
well, this is very timing. I started using my red light practically everyday for a week, for about 8 minutes each session on my face due to seb derm on my eyebrows. I read a review where this was done and it worked well. The journal didn't say how many times a week so, I figured start low, but after seeing this, I may want to consider to back away and do it less a week. Honestly, I was hoping it would not only help with aging but at least place a bandit on my eyebrow condition until my stomach fully heals.
Wow Claire, you may have freaked a few people out with this one! It's hard to understand the takeaway for regular at-home mask users....is it slow down? The manufacturer instructions generally indicate how often and long each session should be so I wonder what the final recommendation is from your specialists?
It's definitely not intended to scare people, but I also think we should not be afraid to question whether using a device daily or very regularly over a long period of time without resting your skin is the best idea for your skin health. The makers really should be doing those studies to guide customers on long-term use and outcomes. Unfortunately, it's impossible to make a definitive recommendation on frequency because we don't have long-term studies on the consistent use of face masks to support that advice. Personally, I would do an initial run of treatments as recommended by the manufacturer and then take a break.
I just happened to find this channel, very much enjoyed the info from both doctors. I purchased a red light mask recently and have used it for about a month mostly daily, but I too have wondered about whether using it daily is safe or not. I'm hoping it does help to promote collagen and maybe clear up my complexion, but I also want to be wise about it. I think that with many beauty influencers here on youtube promoting these red-light products; people may feel over confident in using them and deem them safe without getting more info.
I am petrified to use red light therapy after developing a very large tumor. I was using red light therapy to help reduce some fibrotic tissue on my lower left pelvic area. Several years ago I had surgery for cervical cancer (no chemo or radiation required). During the surgery they removed 32 lynph nodes to test to see if the cancer had spread, but as a result I developed lympedema in my pelvic area (left side) which created some fibrotic tissue. Since my cancer years ago, I'm very health conscious and eat a very clean diet and exercise regularly. I purchased the Mito Red Light Pro and started using that 3 times a week in April of 2022. In early May of 2022 I had my routine pelvic exam to make sure the cancer had not returned. Things were all clear in May. By early June I was quite distended, doctors thought I needed to change my diet and that it was bloating. I am very thin (5'5", 105 lbs) and looked pregnant and new something was wrong and that it wasn't my diet. It wasn't until a CT scan in July that a very fast growing tumor from my left ovary was discovered. I stopped the red light. Mayo Clinic could not determine the cause of the tumor. I mentioned that I was using red light, but they didn't know much about it. Thankfully it wasn't cancerous (it's considered a borderline ovarian tumor). Anyhow, my tumor was 8 inches and I had quite an extensive surgery to remove surrounding tissue and other organs to prevent a tumor from coming back. I don't think there's enough data and research on the safety of red light therapy.
@@TheZoeloreleiThank you for your reply. I do realize ovarian cysts are common. However, cysts growing to be 19.5 cm (almost 8" and larger than the standard size bowling ball) is not common. That's why I'm fearful of using red light, especially at the NIR level. And Mayo Clinic did not support that I continue to use it. I just wanted to share my experience and people can make up their own mind about what they feel is right for their own use. I just realized in my initial comment that I have a typo- "new" should be "knew."
@@TheZoelorelei Maybe evidence RLT can help prevent/treat certain cancers. But a controlled clinical lab environment for a study often diff then at home. Also good to ask who funded studies? Industry funded still of value but the quality and conflict of interest still factors.
I honestly do not care for someone in a debate who knows nothing first hand, and can only cite studies and repeat the phrase, 'I don't know, I'm not sure '. Come on, we can do better in terms of an expert panel. Ask the owner of Maysama. She knows of the benefit of red light, and her rooibos product prevents fat loss and cuts down inflammation if used before red light. I have used full panel for 1 month every night. I am 59. I look pretty good! Husband as well....15 minutes each side, full body...he says he feels 20 years younger!
Where you hear someone say in these debates 'we don't know', they are saying there is not sufficient evidence to be able to make an informed statement one way or the other. That is a credible source.
Lol, what makes the founder of a brand selling rooibos products more qualified to speak on this than anyone else referring to actual peer reviewed studies? Please don’t cite their own funded study..
I used red light therapy and had a severe reaction to it. My skin reacted first and then I developed an allergic reaction to most foods which lasted for a year. Also it pushed me into premature menopause. I’ve recently started to use it again but I am very mindful about my distance to the device and the time I am exposed to it.
how do you know the red light caused that? and not some other kind of sensitivity/immune response? and you're saying you were never sensitive to any of these foods before?
I would also add that diet is also a big factor in skin care and also risk of cancer. Reduction or elimination of sugar and highly processed foods are essential. If you have an awful diet I don't think red light therapy is a fix it all.
Hey Claire, thanks for the video! The ending about the fat loss was very confusing, since Ivan says there is data that it causes fat loss, and we should check the parameters. Then Claire drew the distinction that while using face masks we won't lose fat rapidly. But if I use red light led mask and will lose fat slowly due to that, it is not any better, it is still a fat loss. Why then use it at all if no benefit that it has worth the fat loss, even in the long run? Fat loss is a major concern and the discussion just ended saying " it is something to think about". I thought the point was to clarify but instead it spread the vague threat of losing fat in the long run. Thus my question is: Can we use red light masks (home masks such. as Omnilux etc) safely without the risk of losing fat?
A few studies have shown that red light has weight loss benefits which raises the question would using a red light mask cause a similar effect. Without really understanding why it might support weight loss it's impossible to give a definitive answer but, as we said, it's unlikely the masks would cause any major issues and it would become evident slowly over time, rather than sudden fat melting, so there's not much to worry about. It could very likely be regained pretty quickly too by stopping using the mask for a while.
@@thehonestchannel thank you for the response, Clare :) Slowly appearing fat loss is still a fat loss, so I dont understand why it seems like it is something you are not afraid of? :) Also, you talked about not overdoing it, so how many times per week would be ok to use a home led - mask? thank you, greetings
@@ainakunigelyteI share Claire's concerns about any facial fat loss in the face because facial fat is an indicator of youthfulness. Facial fat gives form and structure to the face much like filler. So yes, facial fat loss is a concern when it comes to anti-aging.
@@EnniRoc true, but `i believe so far there are no studies that would show that either red light (considering the parameters on those popular masks such as Omnilux) have nor Tretinoin cause fat loss. THus for me all these discussions that just spread fears without any facts are just frustrating. I literally could find in YT any of the modalities - such as microcurrent, red light, tretinoin and probably even microneedling causing fat loss, but I will still use them, because I dont think there is an evidence for that considering the stength that we are using with red light. And also there is a choice to be extra cautious and dont do it at all, or use red light twice as little as manufacturer says like 5 min instead of 10 but then the risk is not getting benefits at all. So I was actually annoyed by this conversation as like with others in the channel that spread fears about tretinoin by a person who is not even a real scientist...(Adipeau creator).
@@EnniRoc I agree, but I don't see how we as consumers can do it, I just know that the "evidence" given in this channel was not real, so going only with suspicions then you gotta stop everything, since most of the modalities are suspected for adverse affects. What did you personally decide about red light and are you using any and how often, what device, and how many minutes? Also, tretinoin?it's hard for me to device when there is so much conflictinh opinions about this:(
Thank you Claire loving the discussions and as a freelance writer and journalist I’m always about asking questions… loving them. I do swear by red light for inflammation and have had amazing results. Fibromyalgia and repetitive strain injury all gone. And with it some small spidery broken capillaries on my legs. Just noticed it… like wow. But all the face and skin things I really think skin and beauty influencers are creating hype and fads. I followed their advice of acids, used a stronger retinol every night and then used my red light smaller panel and aged in a week on my face. It’s obsessive, too much for the skin and way too much hype … and clickbait. I’ve had a rest from working thanks Covid, but have done tons of research, some on beauty since I really had little clue as I was very low maintenance and was obsessed with my work. I’ve learnt alot but agree I think it’s a good idea to step back on facial skin treatments for perfection. I would like to try adipeau but it’s so expensive for shipping and my currency which is so much lower than USD. Such a shame. Your skin looks amazing from it.
Thanks Nicole. Totally agree that you can push your skin too hard and I just can’t get behind the multiple-step routines. Sorry to hear Covid hit you hard - hope you’re feeling better now. The Adipeau is expensive, especially with international delivery. Hopefully they’ll widen the distribution so it can be sold locally. I’ll also keep an eye out for any similar formulas appearing on the market.
@@thehonestchannel thanks so much. That would be great. Just to clarify I didn’t get Covid and have been healthy throughout but lost my job, and my parents, again not from contracting Covid. Thanks for your reply, I’ll keep watching out for any news.
I myself use a full body at home three days a week for 15 minutes my front in and 15 minutes my back end and then I have a handheld machine that I use on my shoulder and my knees for arthritis and I use that probably four times a week and make sure that I don’t overdo it because I don’t want reverse results because there are people that do overuse it and sometimes your skin just need to break in your muscles in your nerves and everything just need a break
Eek. This guy cherry picks science, and that’s more harmful than the “harm” he says he’s trying to bring to light. Never ceases to amaze me how confident charlatans can be.
