#Moctober woooo, And this is why I am conflicted in my opinion right here, so many people love the Iron Rangers and I can't speak for them but timbs are awesome in many ways still too.
I would love to buy a pair of Iron Rangers but they just look too bulbous, I think even if this video was Thursday v Tim's the results and conversation would pretty much be exactly the same. Can't wait for #Mocktober, will wait till all is done before deciding which mocks to get👌
Mr. Rose Anvil! I am VERY down to collaborate, I've actually been trying to work out how long it takes to get from NYC to Logan to see if it's feasible :) Wanna e-mail me, nick at stridewise.com? And yes, of course I prefer the Red Wings - i especially feel lucky to have them with this cork sole!
I've had my timberland "EK Chillberg" winter boot for 5+ years in harsh canadian winter that drops to -30. its a pretty good boot for the price! and the sole is only starting to peel off at the heel. not bad for around $120 when i got it.
During my roughest times a solid pair of timbs did the job extremely well. Lasted years later then I used them in construction working and they held up. Those boots left an impression on me for sure.
What type of work?its rare to hear some one say they wear those style tims for labor work,its all chippewas,Redwing,whites,nicks,danner,georgia,and some tim pros
I work way south of the Arctic Circle, in Winnipeg Manitoba. If you're wearing Timbs in the Arctic, you're not a physiologically or psychologically normal person. I wear heavily insulated oil rig boots when I work outside in the winter, heavy wool socks, and my feet still kill me.
As a bootmaker who worked for Timberland for seven years in R&D. Brilliant video! Not easy to compare two completely different boots and bring them to the same level ground. The Timberland has a rubber sole, it has a direct-attached PVC or TPR (depending on the model) midsole. PVC = Poly Vinyl Chloride, TPR = Thermo Plastic Rubber. Some models now have PU (Polyurethane) midsoles. These are not cemented, the material is melted then shot into a mould with the lasted upper already on top. As the melted material cools it forms to the shape of the mold and attaches to the bottom of the lasted upper. The shank is pre-attached to the bottom of the insole. if you see Rose Anvil's video where he cuts open a pair of Timberland boots ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ENIYPuhsV6U.html you will see that the model Rose Anvil uses has a different sole. That sole is 100% cemented sole and does not have a midsole. The boot model used in this video is the direct-injected version. A direct-injected boot, where the midsole is fused to the upper provides far superior protection against water than a cemented boot. A cemented boot is more prone to sole separation than a direct-attached boot. To get an idea how the midsole is direct-attached please see this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FcpOwQwJ0l4.html
That is interesting. I actually have a pair of yellow goodyear welted Timberlands I got at Ross years ago. Its a shame they dont still make them like that because they are really nice. The old rubber soles were really good too and now it all just feels cheap.
Where could I find the sole to the premiums to have put on my red wings? I looked prior and couldn't find that tread pattern or material used. They are the best workboot period for roofing and construction.
They are both mass produced... also timberlands are handmade in the Dominican Republic, much higher quality then in the past and they have very experienced craftsmen in the Dominican
Well, I happen to have the classic 6-inch Timberland boots in leather, heritage style. So they have aged nicely over the 15+ years I've worn them, and I used an wax and oil to maintain. Also I've just had mine resoled by one of the few cobblers that do it here in the UK. They grind down the sole, then stitch and cement in a leather midsole. Then stick/cement on a Vibram lug sole, which can then replaced when needed - so far so good!
I 'm Taiwanese , and share some information with you. Timberland is really popular in Taiwan , especially for young people who view Timberland as some kind of outfit fashion. there are almost 100 Timberland outlets and brand counters in Taiwan. the number of Timberland counters is just little bit less than Nike's in Taiwan and that is insane ~
I own several pair of Timb's I bought about 18 years ago. I've been very happy with them. Since my feet have grown a bit, and my arch is starting to bother me, I'm largely retiring them. Construction, landscaping, mechanical, snow, sightseeing, etc. I'm about to leapfrog Red Wing completely and buy a pair of Frank's. Red Wing's cult-like following has always amused & interested me. No doubt they are quality. Quality materials, handmade USA, cork midsoles, but are they really better than a pair of Timb's functionally? Or is it more status. I feel like most of the Red Wing fans commenting in this thread are largely white collar middle class.
Thank you for mentioning the glued sole of the Timberland boot. I will never get a glued sole boot again; had bad experience with a Wolverine brand boot which was also glued.
Superb reviews! My Tims are my first pair. My first impression was that while they have nice grip & shock absorption, they were too stiff. This changed with wear. They are now as comfortable as sneakers! Warm and dry, even when hiking in slush, as well!
I've worn my timbs for a few years now through some pretty harsh winters, and ive hiked through some serious snow up in new england, had them sprayed with some waterproofer and they still look great and keep your feet really warm, dont think anything could come close to warmth, that being said I save them just for winter wear cause they're quite well made for that, theyre grippy and theyve gotten pretty comfy over the years as well, that being said I got my self some thursday captains for rest of the year wear
ahhh nice, im from NYC, i own both pair of boots....i love the redwings good look however tims last longer. i ride a Harley Davidson too (all year round) i had my tims 18 years look gritty but the soul is in tac. the red wings the soul wore out in two years and on both the redwings i own as my tim's are still going. redwings are for dressing up, tims rugged is ready for wear and tear.
I grew up in NE during the 90's and the only work boot I knew of was the Timberland. Now I'm not familiar with the Iron Ranger but I did switch to Redwing work boots when I had a nail go through my Timberland's "puncture resistant" sole and the quality difference between the brands in night and day. I don't think I'll be going back to Timberland anytime soon.
Great video! I used to buy Tims back in the 80s for work because they were cheap compared to actual work boots and it left me more money to party. It was sorta like the Brahmas of Walmart today. I installed in ground pools back then and they didn’t hold up well but I was to cheap to buy real boots plus I did think they were cool. I broke down and bought Diehard Boots in a similar style from Sears back then and they held up 3 times as long so I stuck with them.
And, like the Brahmas of today, they cooked your feet. I spent 3 Vermont winters homeless and working with just Goretex lined Dannville and/or Belleville combat boots. Rarely slipped, no frostbite, and they didn't cook my feet in summer. Still wearing the Danvilles, and i scored those used to begin with. When not broke, however...RedWing all the way! Hmmm...but i might order some Grinders UK ranger boots, as i miss my old Shelley's rangers. Jeezum Crow...bootboy or boot fetishist?! FML!
I use a pair of black Tim’s for kicking around in the winter. I’m in my mid 40’s and the black is more subtle than the traditional tan color. I wouldn’t wear the tan ones, to your point about about an “older” person wearing them, but black works.
The tan ones look good at any age. Im 32 and have my tan boots for the winter. The trick is to actually lace them up so they look like boots and not Hipster Slippers.
I live in NYC, and I have both, I have to admit Timbs are WAY warmer in the wintertime. Also, A lot of people here saying that Redwings are a "working boot, and a real working man boot" Umm, no, mostly hipsters here in NYC go crazy and orgasm all over Redwings and Wolverines, while my father, an elevator mechanic (and many ppl who do manual labor jobs) wears Timbs daily. I do believe they are the better WORK boot, as they are shock absorbant, there is no break-in period, and they can easily be worn during wintertime/outside work, and it's worth their price. HOWEVER, Redwings are the boot to be worn around the city, to go on dates, and just a very good casual boot. Beautiful and way more attractive for sure, but I would not say it's a "real work man's boot." Either way, awesome review of both!
Great info on both boots and comparison of the two and answered my questions about wear and tear fit, slippage and material used. Thanks for creating this one, looking forward the others you mentioned at the end. In all very informative my boot wearing brother, nice work....
My IR have been a faithful motorcycle boot on a daily basis for 6 years and are going strong. Previous boots would barely last a year before the shifter wore through the toe. I've never tried the Timberland, but the IR is tough as nails and "old school comfortable" if you know what I mean. If I were to leave Redwing it would be for Nick's, not Timberland.
@@quietatse thank you. I'm a work boot newbie and I'm looking to get a good pair of work boots. I don't mind spending the bucks if the quality is there. I'm looking for boots that I can use in welding and everyday auto workshop
For my foot type no Red Wings would fit me. Timberland has never let me down. From the pit boss that has a sole that bends a nail if you step on it, the laces do not fray and they include another lace if that day comes, these are 100 percent water proof. Earthkeepers have been wonderful and very comfortable.
I wear both brands in my work and none of them have something special. 8 months of life in my work both of them so better to buy some 60 dollars shoes because they last 6 months. I do landscaping work and i walk on gravel most of the time
Hey Nick, hope that all is well with you. As usual, you’ve produced another stellar review/comparison of the Red Wing Vs. Timberland. It looks like there are a couple of important pros and cons between the two boots. The first being the cost, with the Red Wing almost double the cost of Timberland. Next is longevity, with the Red Wing utilizing a Goodyear Welt certainly gives it the edge in this category. After that, I’d think that it might come down to style. I’m an older guy, and this is contrary to your findings/suggestions, etc. as I kind of prefer the look of the Timberland. The bulbous toe of the Red Wing is a bit of a turn off for me. I’d prefer my Allen Edmond’s Higgins Mill, which as you know, is somewhat similar stylistically to the Red Wing. I’m curious as to whether you’d prefer your Red Wing or AE’s Higgins Mill? Thanks for taking the time to create this very informative video Nick. Keep up the great work my friend! ...Ed
@@adrianchavez819 i had a pair of timbs and they were fine but the sole wore out super quick. With that said I own a pair of redwings and have worn them as an electrician for 2 years and they are holding up great. Also with my redwings (style 2244) the insulation is better than my timbs. My feet are always toast warm even when it’s fucking frigid out here in Boston.
My redwings last me 4 to 5 years working in a mill setting plus I wear them everywhere in the winter I’ve never had an issue with them and probably wouldn’t buy anything else I’ve bought cheap boots in my younger days never go back
@@jonathanjones7751 i do landscaping in Arizona and i walk at least 6 hours on gravel daily and there is no shoe that lasted me a year not even timbs or red wings. Sometimes i prefer jordans because they last longer than those shoes but the gravel hurts the feet
Are you speaking of brands or the 2 boots being compared in the video? IR's are not work boots. Quality is an interesting word in-and-of itself. Red Wing is handmade in USA, using better leathers, and a more conforming mid-sole. Certainly more expensive to make, and certainly better materials. But does the Timb stand up to just as much AND is waterproof? Yes, so if quality is how they stand up and function for work, then no, the IR isn't better.
I’m amazed that people call these boots, “work boots”? In the uk, you wouldn’t be allowed on site in either boots as you require steel toe caps. Do people in the US really work on site in timbs? However, If I had to choose a pair, I’d go for the timberlands because shock absorption is really important if your on your feet all day and want to save your knees, ankles and joints.
@@cipher1167 don’t get Redwings then. Redwings leathers are so good that they take forever to break in! Spending 250$ on a pair of Redwings they better feel great after a month. But no, wore mine for 4 months and still never broke in. Went with timberland PROs and never went looked back THE MOST comfortable boots ever
I used to have 2 pairs of timberlands, one was some eco model I bought 10 years a go made environmental friendly and didn’t last the whole fall/winter season. The sole started to peel off after 2 months of everyday wear. Then I got the Euro hiker, which was much better and lasted a bit more then a whole season. My Red Wings are lasting much longer then the 2 pairs of a timberlands all together. The downside of the Red Wings: not an easy fit, break in can be hard and they’re not insulated so better wear some warms socks when it’s really cold.
Wow, I'm glad this video popped up now, I just purchased (yesterday) my Red Wing Iron Rangers same color as this one in the review, and I plan to get mea pair of the black leather later. Thank you Nick!
@@i2harry they are for fashion only. You dead ass couldn't find any better reason to have Timbs. Once wet or creased, they are garbage. That Nubuck leather is just terrible for working conditions. Red Wings on the other hands are reliable work boots. Fashionable is debatable when comparing to the fashion icon of Timbs.
I had wore 3-4 pairs of timberland premium and they did amazing works, absolutely waterproof even during the heaviest rainstorms. also I wear red wing, absolutely cool looking boots (I love my iron rangers, moc toe not so much), the leather is amazing, the fit over time is amazing, but everytime heavy raining outside, I'll pick my timberland no doubt, if I have to go to the war, I might choose timberland over the iron ranger. Iron ranger make me looking cool, timberland make me feel safe.
The worst boots I ever owned is Timberland. It fell apart even when I didnt wear it much. I felt ripped off and for the past 20 years I had never bought another Timberland product and whenever anyone asked me if Timberlands are good, I will always share my story on how the soles gaps open and how water floods in.
My Tims that I purchased in 2002 were just re-soled. If the mid-sole is still in good shape the sole can be separated and replace. My cobbler used glue and nails the add the new soles.
The most biggest determining factor between the two different brands is, without a doubt; price. I've owned a pair of Redwings before and recently purchased a pair of timberland boots. I will say one thing about the timberland boots compared to the Redwings and that is that the Redwings had a zero break-in period whereas the Timberland's required 3-5 days.
I tried on my first pair of work style boots today. Timberlands. I didn't find them very comfortable or cushioned - nothing like Salomon walking boots. I think i'd like something that looked good with jeans for causal wear yet had the comfort and cushioning of a walking boot.
Team Red Wing go! Thanks for the vid, Nick... would you mind elaborating on the conditioner you applied to the Iron Rangers to darken them? I love the almost black chocolate color from the conditioning + wear, wouldn't mind going that route.
My husband swears by Red Wing work boots. He’s a John Deere mechanic and a farmer so they get used for their intended purpose and get a lot of abuse. He usually has to replace them every 3-4 years and says they are most comfortable boot he’s ever owned. Blue collar approved!
I’ve had them all Dunham’s, timbers,without a doubt after broken in Red Wings are the best,I did have a pair of military boots one time that were close to RW,s but weren’t available to the public.
I can attest the Tim’s from the 90s last forever. I wore them for construction and put it through hell for years then put it to semi retirement for a while. The shoes laces out lasted the leather. Never had to change them. Loving my IR now.
I used to like Timberland and Wolverine, but now I prefer combat style boots. Super durable, flexible and great padding and cushion. RW and all the old style boots may be durable and well made, but they have horrible tread and grip in real world ruff use. There are times when I know I would have taken a fall if I had a slick leather sole like the RW.
Red Wings IR are so much more versatile, dress up, dress down, office work, street wear, can't go wrong with it. Can't say the same for the Tims. I've had my RW Moc Toe for 6 years and on the second resole, just picked up an IR and breaking them in now. Should've bought these much sooner.
The Tims are real winter boots and the soles are grippy enough for Proper mountain hiking. My first pair are still intact after more than 2000 miles, no resole and no conditioning. Insane. The sole possibly lasted because most use was on snow. BUT the lining leather is worn through and they look ugly. Tims are amazing in terms of value, especially if you buy them on sales. I'm not sure if it's possible for my iron rangers to last twice as long but I hope they will remain beautiful a lot longer. :)
hi from Italy! i have a pair of Iron ranger 8111 and is the best shoe i ever own, beautiful, built to last, high quality built, the best, and now iron ranger have someting italian under, our VIBRAM soles, now is perfect!
I definitely wear a three old, beat to hell pair of full grain Timb premiums whenever it rains or gets below 30 because my work Red Wings aren't insulated and the steel toe gets cold. They're also much more light!
I dont own Redwings yet, but I do own premium waterproof tims and i like them a lot. I like that they have sturdy sidewalls and have great traction in snow. u can lace them up tight or wear them untied and they hold their shape well. I prefer to Iace them up tight and tuck my jeans over them. It is nice though when ur going to run a quick errand and u can slip them on in 5 seconds and wear them loose. They are heavy, but I would classify it as sturdy, bcs the weight is no problem to me. If you live on the 12th floor with no elevator, it might be a problem 🤷♀️ . The nubuck color does get dirty fast, but they are boots and I don't really care about that.
This review is like comparing some IKEA kitchen knife to a samurai sword. Timberlands are expensive but cheaply made fashion icons. After a year or two of constant use they will fall apart. A pair of Red Wings costs twice as much but will last at least 10 years if you take care of them and have the sole repaired (which you can't with Timberlands). Check out the YT videos of this guy Rose Anvil who cuts shoes in half (he did both brands) and you will find out why.
As a contractor that on my feet ALL day in ALL sorts of dirt, grime, snow, mud....its funny how people wear these boots as some masculine statement rather than a functional boot. When looking at reviews, I look at what will be the most comfortable, weather resistant and arch/ankle supportive rather than fashion. There is nothing worse that sore feet due to poor arch support while working 10hours a day.
Hi Nick! Love the channel man. I was wondering if you could do a sock review or your favorite socks to wear with boots. Im having trouble finding a sock that fits really well. I wear thin bamboo socks with my work shoes and i bought some thicker wool socks for my thursdays but they feel way to tight. Thanks for any input.
Good video, but I didn't quite get out of it what I wanted. I guess I was seeking more with regards to missiles & arches. (Or lack of) Which are going to feel better at the end of the day if you were walking around sightseeing all day for example.
I had one pair of timberland the Thinsulate ones, there has plastic in them that hurt my feet, soon as tim, stat to tread where just toss them, If get Tim, make sure fit I have wide feet and need 3 sock to not feel plastic in heal.
I had four pairs sent them back because of sole splitting from upper on all of them .They were made in the Dominican Republic ,I had great trouble getting a refund from the Timberland shop and they tried to persuade me to accept an item of clothing rather than the money refund.The whole process took six months to get a cash refund ! I now have Caterpillar Colorado's which don't split due to Goodyear welt,of course the Red wing is a superior boot !
I'd like to see them after a year of working with Acrylic finish or Substrate cement, if they're still working boots. I'm a Journeyman Plaster with 10 years of experience.
I love Timbs for sure, own three pairs now. But not too sure about the waterproof claim. Wore a pair of classic yellow on my 10-day trip to Tokyo and Kyoto in 2017 during late typhoon season/early fall, and my timbs leaked water from the upper (never got them fully submerged, only got rained on or stepped in puddles). At first it got damp, and after a few days it came to a point where my socks were constantly wet/damp. To be fair, it's a 4-year pair so perhaps the leather leaked here and there? Still love them though.
I've had a pair of Timberlands, though in a different color, for a while and I just got a pair of Iron Rangers. I love the looks of the Iron Ranger so much more and I already didn't wear my Timberlands hardly at all. The Iron Ranger cost a lot more but I think they are worth it. My only complaint would be about the soles on the Iron Ranger. On one of the first times I wore them I busted my ass on some ice that was on the porch of the cabin I was staying at. It might be because they were brand new and not scuffed up yet but I feel the grip on the Timberland is better. I will not normally be in icy conditions so not a big deal. Great review and comparison.
My pops is in his 60s. He wears Tims Jordan air max Adidas boost. He wears whatever I don't want anymore or what he can swipe from me. Been doing this for 20yrs. He gotta nice collection for free...
I have both and I love Timb’s styles, collabs, and aesthetics... I’m also a hip-hop guy. All that being said you’re stupid if you don’t think Red Wings are better. They are simply better made, sturdier, and they fit much better. It’s like comparing a family sedan to a muscle car.
Two completely different shoes. The RW are just normal stylish leather boots. Timberlands are winter boots. You would not wear simple leather shoes in sub zero temperatures.
Hahaha You get it. I own both boots and I agree with you. The thing with the IR is that is a boot that looks good. It has that 1940's nostalgia to it, but if you somehow could make the timberland look like an IR no one would choose the original IR ranger. It's a way more practical shoe with the down side of not being very interesting looking.
I can’t really speak to redwings. But I’ve had timbs for years. They last forever. I’m sure I could wear them for 10+ years. What more could you want for $200 or less with a discount.
I honestly can't speak to Iron Rangers and I really want to get a pair before I say anything good or bad but I do hear good things about the Iron Ranger including your review. Timbs however I know very well wearing them on the streets of New York (I swear I've seen you out filming once or twice in fact) and they are as you said good for the cold and real wet weather and tough as nails, we beat the heck out of um and for a lower price why not they really are a win, but if the Iron Rangers are similar enough to the Thursday Captain then maybe I have to give them a better nod, quite the toss up. Either way thanks for the awesome comparison review as always Nick!
Two different types. For serious dirty work, on hard floors ,concrete, steel stair cases. The iron ranger. For snow, muddy trails,crossing creeks, Utah cold temperatures, you want Timerlands. You live in a ski town ,the mountain west,water proof insulation works.
Sir - Hope your are doing very well. Quick question, in terms of size if I wear timberland in size 11, what sizes hi would I pick for the iron ranger? Thanks in advance. Keep up with the great job. Oz
I really love timbs, sadly I cannot wear them as many would recommend (untied) due to my feet structure, it would be very damaging so I have to tie them up completely. I've heard about Redwing and how good it is, sadly they're not sold in my country which means that I have yet to try them to provide an opinion.
Instead of the Timberland, how about other brands like Panama Jack (which is from Spain). They have some awesome waterproof boots, which seem to feature that desirable goodyear welt. One I have my eye on is the Glasgow Igloo model, a winter boot with lamb wool inside. At least in the EU it's cheaper than the Tims
I own 4 pairs of Red Wing. cant recommend them enough. Almost got some Tims because Steve Erwin was Awesome. however when trying on a pair the Hip hop aesthetics wasn't gonna work for me.
One thing you didn’t mention, but one could see in the video and in my opinion is very annoying: Timberland sole is like a magnet for stones. Stones keep sticking inside, and once you then walk on a hard straight surface, it starts making weird noises. Or you can scratch wooden floor at the house entrance. Still like them very much, and is one of the most comfortable boot. I wear them throughout the year at least once a week to bring my daughter to the horse range. Looking forward to the cleaning video!
