Reinhardt Is Still A TERRIBLE Hero In Overwatch 2 

Season 10 mid-season patch - Fixed a bug where Reinhardt could get kills - Orisa will now be in fortify permanently

The only thing rein is shattering nowadays is his pants

emongg yelling "BIG SLAM" regardless of who slammed, was killing me. they need to add that as a rein voiceline.

this whole vid just felt like “reinhardt vs his natural predator”

Rein is NOT terrible. :,( I need my bottle of copium...

It turns out when you remove 300 damage pin and firestrike combo from rein. He gets worse who'd of though

0:47 the fact that the torb lived that is atrocious. Pin damage should be 350 to compensate for the overall health increase (300 at the bare minimum.)

This entire video feels like I’m watching on 2X with all the sounds.

Some dmg reduction on his pin would be nice. Also getting knocked down by maugas shouldnt be a thing cuz reins is litterally rocket powered💀 maugas just built different

The issue I find with Rein is he's not worth respecting. Whereas Orisa MUST be respected because it's incredibly difficult to push her in, no one respects Rein because any substantial ground he takes is immediately mitigated by a flurry of bullets but more importantly being pushed around. So many Heroes move you nowadays one way or another Rein just can't hold ground with a Queen, Lucio, Venture, or anyone with any form of moving enemies just pushing or pulling him out of positions, its most prevalent in 11:28-12:02. Buffing his Earthshatter doesn't do much because he can't do anything if he can't stay in a position where the shatter would matter most. That's how I personally see it, at least. I love Rein so much, but no one will ever respect him in his current state.

I think simply making reins charge unstoppable like mangas would help him feel a lot better. I feel he gets thrown around and stopped way to easy for a big charging German

11:57 the orisa just blocking a whole charge with her spin😂😂

3:04 "It's Hiiiigh Nooon... OOF!-" I felt that so much... 😔✊️

I feel that Doom Fist Slam and Reins Shatter should PoP Venture out from underground.

“I only have one speed and it’s turbo feed” is just beautiful

I love how positive Emongg is and how supportive he is of Flats. "Right click randy's on the case!" was so expected and normal, but it SENT me.

The synced big slams at 4:20 was hilarious

How good would Rein be if they gave him Gundam Evo dashes + his charge is now connected to a resource meter and burning fire strike with the longer the fire strike travels the more it burns (nerf damage obviously)? Maybe nerf shatter a little bit to compensate

Who would have thought that the character who is a strict binary of "I can defend OR attack" would be rendered useless by the later characters who can defend, attack, and take over entire spaces/clear areas with ease?

Perfect streamer-mode name

7:10 "wait that's an orisa" almost the funniest moment of the video.

Yeah, Rein's current kit doesn't flow well in 5v5 format. His kit is outdated and works best with 6v6. I do hope they change him soon. I would love to have Rein metas because that's when the game feels great. He's the most fairest hero to fight against.

7:53 I swear the Orisa privilege is so ridiculous to the point it pisses me off. How does that even HIT Reinhardt at that angle?

The problem is that he can't take or hold any space. He should bare minimum have some damage resistance on his charge. If you fuck up a pin and get stuck out of position, you should be punished - but you shouldn't watch your health bar explode the second you press Shift. More of his health being armor again would also help. I also think he should have a stronger form of the Tank passive as well, something like a 70% reduction to knockback. If Rein is in an area, you shouldn't be able to just push him off with a slight breeze. It'd be nice if enemies also couldn't just walk up into your shield and shoot you from inside it. It should block damage a bit behind him as well. Or at least change the shape to be a bit more curved or add some side walls, he's way too vulnerable when he gets walked up on.

Torbintime has been my name in game for 3 years and now it’s a stock streamer mode name 🙃

I think they should allow Rein to apply the fire strike to his hammer to amp his swings while also applying fire damage overtime

Rein players: there is no amount of stats that will make this kit viable Team 4: Would giving him better stats fix that?

wait... was there a limit to how far Hanzo's dragons can move? It just popped at 1:05

as a rein main i can confirm he is horrible to play and makes me want to go dps every game the fact that his fire strikes dont set people on fire is insane to many characters can survive pin shatter can be countered to easily to much mobility in the game now for him to kill things and many more but im too lazy for that

Pin and fire strike should do more damage given the level of commitment Rein requires. That Torb you pinned on Night Market should've died. Ridiculous that he didn't.

Honestly as a junk main I’ve saved myself so many times by literally launching rein with a mine when he was trying to pin me. I feel like this poor guy could use a few buffs, at this point we are just bullying the old man

I knew when I saw the patch notes that he was still gonna be terrible. Shatter was the only good part of reins kit before, it did not need a buff. He needs a new passive and maybe more armor

so happy to finally see him playing with emongg more. needed to hear those "big slam!"s

Did anyone else really like Reins relfect shield thingy from the April fools mode? Felt like it actually helped balance him

3:26 Did anyone else see this illusion?

one huge weakness is that he's the only tank who, when mitigating damage, is otherwise useless. every other shield user places a shield down and then can contunue to add pressure with attacks or abilities. so what if we make reinhardt focus more on poke than rush? make his shield detachable. He can hold it up and walk with it or if you use the interact key you place it down and it's essentially OG Orisa's shield, but then you can interact and pick it back up and it works like his current shield. that gives him the opportunity to set up shop and then still actively contribute, and even use it to steadily claim ground, instead of being a rectangle nobody else stands behind. maybe make firestike do less damage but have more charges and ACTUALLY SET ENEMIES ON FIRE. and obviously charge has to have the same quality-of-life as mauga, where he can still be damaged but can't be interrupted.

I know this will sound weird but what if they buffed his shield regen how fast it goes after its broken, or increase his base movement speed?

There was a lot of full sending into the enemy backline and immediately falling over lol

What if they gave each type of Tank a passive trait based on their playstyle (dive, poke and rush) that could be specialized on a per-hero level? Maybe for rush (as an example for general passive traits) they could give some form of dr (while being sure to nerf built-in dr e.g. Fortify on Orisa), for dive they could give cc reduction and for poke they could give a damage buff at a given range away from an enemy.

Rein ideas: Hammer Punch (Quick Melee): Deals 50 damage and breaks the opponent's armor. For 5 seconds, they cannot benefit from any effects that reduce damage taken (including Armor, Nanoboost and Fortify). 12 second CD. Needs a good UI implementation, both for the punched player and for allies (so support can know they are taking more damage). Jet Rush (Air Jump): Stops downward momentum, cannot be knocked back (but can still be pinned and CC'd), rushes 3 to 4 meters forward (only goes forward, unlike Hanzo's 8m air jump). 8 to 10 second CD. Useful to avoid getting thrown off the map, and also to close the distance.

It would be amazing if they made a passive for rein where when his shield breaks he gets a bit of over shield and it’s called recycled it’s fitting since Germans have a whole culture around recycling, also if they added speed boost when shield breaks too it would make him OP against any tier below diamond.

Whenever I play him it feels like he needs more speed, like the transition between shield and swing/ firestrike feels way to slow at times.

I feel like pin should definitely go through orisa spin, along with hammer. An actual counter to her would be amazing.

"I only have one speed and it's turbofeed" is my favorite quote from this, by far.

“I ain’t staying there” holy shit that emongg bit had me rolling 😂

Rein buffs: 1) make his shield a bit bigger. He stands behind it, making difficult for others to use it because he covers HALF OF THE AREA. Another workaround would be for rein to be able to pin his shield on the ground and walk away. 2) Give him a a healing amplification when he damages people. It would encourage rein players to be more aggressive, and supports can sustain him a bit better during fights. 3) Implement a resource meter for the firestrike and let him charge firestrikes by holding down E. Each firestrike will cost a certain amount of the resource meter depending on how charged it is. This way he can choose to fire 2 big firestrikes (120 dmg each) or 4 smaller ones (60dmg each), you get the idea.

The entirety of rein’s kit needs a buff, I feel, aside from his melee. I feel like his melee is… relatively ok? His shield as it is is basically worthless. Any time it’s up it either doesn’t help the team in any way or just gets burned down. I’ve seen many suggestions for fixes regarding the shield from allowing him to switch between personal or team modes to increasing the size to even using the April fools change of reflecting bullets. His charge right now is a kill switch - and not for the enemy. It never received a buff afaik since the global hero health buff, so it’s no longer an insta kill on some heroes. In addition, rein is so easily moved (booped out of the way) and cc’d (sleep/counter-charge/hinder) you’re more liable to just get put in a bad spot than get value with it. It also makes rein a very big target in the fact that immediately everyone’s looking at him and burning him down. Making rein’s charge into mauga’s charge is NOT the answer. Damage resistance might be nice but I’d put it on his entire kit, not just the charge. Unstoppable would be good, yes. Something I would recommend is making the charge into a channeled ability. Currently, you can cancel it, but that puts it on cooldown. What if it had a bar, and you could charge for any amount of time so long as you had “juice” in the bar. Gives rein mobility and also acts like it does now - just better. Shatter is honestly not that great atm. I’d compare it to Zarya Grav in that it opens up the enemy team for a follow-up but zarya’s grav also groups the enemy up so the follow up is easier. Shatter can be used well, but a lot of the time the value is minimal (or even nothing in some cases) due to the victims being so spread out. Rein’s entire kit needs a make-over. He doesn’t do well at all in 5v5 and there’s been too many other hero changes and buffs (and additions)… he’s just fallen behind.

Flats you got worked the first game hollllyyyyy

So hear me out. Give him a small speed boost when his shield is up. Not only does it help with engagements, but the new shield weaving play style might help with survivability a bit. Ofc other changes would still be made like more armor and possibly faster shield charge to help either the weaving. Thoughts?

It's crazy you drop this after having mad fun in clash with rein

We need the speed boost swing from mirrorwatch in normal modes

5:13 "85%, we gotta look for something here, do we have anything?" "uhhh... each other?" 😂😭

they just need to give rein fire effect for firestrike and be able to charge orisa (when she does ult) and mauga when he charges. also be able to earthshatter orisa when she does her ult.

Does Orisa get damaged by any knock back effects (rein charge and doom punch) while in fortify?

Flats slam is worse than Jay pulse

I foresee a return to 2000hp shield on the horizon, it's far more likely than any substantial buff or rework at least.

Somehow, the April Fool's change on Reinhardt doesn't sound so bad if it'll stop Orisa from just non-stop shooting Rein so he can breath for one second.

For Rein, maybe increase move speed by 10%, and taking x% of shield damage reduces firestrike CD by X%. Hammer swing animation after a firestrike is a swing down, to make it seamless and adds more burst with firestrike/melee swing. This way, if he gets to you, its harder to escape, and he can sort of poke with consistent firestrikes every x seconds when shielding a corner.

Would it be better if instead of Javelin Spin being another dva matrix, it just blocked damage like a shield would but projectiles like fire strike go through it ?

I haven't played Overwatch in forever, so having only Flats as my context on how tanks are played is a little depressing. How much would they have to change Reinhardt to make him playable? Since I haven't played since OW1, I'm sad how far the giant has fallen.

I like how the talon rein got the maunga treatment and is just big dude instead of normal dude in big suit.

A big buff that the Rein needs. No other projectile or ability except Ana's sleep dart or Orisa's freeze can stop him when hes using charge. Why? Because the charge is the only ability that Rein has to give him more mobility, attack aggressively with his hammer or gain space for his team, and having several abilities in the game that can stop his charge makes him extremely weak to play aggressively, leaving him completely defenseless, relying only on his shield which breaks very quickly. As a mauga, why not make him invulnerable to certain abilities when he uses his charge? For me, Rein is a completely wronged hero, with a big potential to become strong again. But Blizzard seems afraid to make big changes to his abilities, or it's probably the fault of many people in this community who think Rein is strong the way he is.

When I really think about it, I havent touched Rein in months, personally at the rate he needs some buffs or a rework, far too many of the other tanks have awesome gap closers or a heavy amount of range capability, I'd actually like to see a shield charge ability for Rein that shares a cd with his regualur charge, that we he can still have some offense while he plays defense

13:26 average “high level” Moira gameplay 😂

I think that blizzard should increase reins attack speed (or give him dmg boost) and give him some form of dmg reduction while charging to make him more viable on the battlefield but i know it might not help that much (although its still much better than just stunning people for a little longer and having 5 more meters range on shatter)

Yeah that quarter of a second made such a huuuge difference

Ok two potential changes for Rein More control while charging ( Movement is one of the best skill expressions in gaming and I think Tokyo drift Rein would be cool) or maybe after charging some distance, Rein becomes Unstoppable (Immune to all CC and slight damage reduction maybe 10% ) so you still have to think about charging in as the unstoppable only activates after a distance.

the frenzy from the mirrorwatch could be a legit change imo.

The issue with rein isnt the shield its the fact that when you swing/ pin you get melted. He needs damage resistance akin to orrisas fortify when charging and maybe another 50 armour. Pin is already trash in comparison to release with its damage and hitbox let alone it now being essentially press shift to die button unless used perfectly

emongg being in flats' videos is such a treat

I feel like Rein should get like 150 overhealth for 3 seconds after using charge so that he isn’t immediately forced to back out after using the move, and it’ll allow him to apply pressure for a little longer or at least have a smaller chance to back out of the fight safely.

Give rein 5% movement speed increase while shielded that stacks 3 times for a total of 15% (dependant of having teammates play within 5 meter aura of rein to encourage playing with tank) Reduce fire strikes base damage and add burn over time effect Give rein shield bash (for displacement, no stun)

The chaos !!! And fucccckkk Orisa can be so oppressing !

Blizzard really has a skin available in their $40 pack and they dont bother to buff the character to entice whales. Wild

Flats I need help, I have a very unethical friend who mains Orisa, and if we start losing he switches to Muaga. What do I do? Do I cut off all communication, do I try and get them help?

Yea I’m not playing till orissa is nerfed

Love the "Big slam alert" call out!

The DK64 music is the perfect accompaniment to this chaos.

Rein is one of my backup tanks if Dva isn't working. In gold I've learned if you play unpredictability and throw caution to the wind that'll be the only way for the enemy team to respect you. Otherwise Rein is going to be dumped on every match, make them frustrated.

"Torbintime" got me good 💀

I’m not sure what it is rein needs, he feels like a hero that could easily become broken with too many changes. Maybe give him orisa’s fortify effect while charging? Make fire strike travel in a horizontal arc instead of vertical? Slightly nerf the damage to compensate it hitting more people maybe cause them to ignite for a brief second or get pushed back slightly?

Idea to improve reinhardt- if its even possible at this point- allow him to use fire strike while shielding and change the animation to come from his left hand which is holding the shield up, and/or give him a slight speed boost or overhealth when shield breaks. Rein is the ONLY tank that cant mitigate damage and deal damage at the same time

With the current state of every other character if they want to make Reinhardt A potential threat he's going to need at least 600 health with 300 armor and each swing does 70 Dam And fire strike does 120.

I know this is far-fetched, but hear me out! Reinhardt always does so good with supports like Lucio. What if we just gave Reinhardt inability that acts as a mix between fortify and queen shout but only for self. Maybe an ability that you can use while the shield is up to give him just a little bit more gap closing potential. I feel like a boost like that would be so nice to have That way I don't have to rely on having supports such as Lucio in order to play Reinhardt.

I too am Constantly ROYALLY pissed off looking at patch notes every season and seeing "Orisa buffs" every single time. Or just no nerfs to her

this video should be called "flats playing rein with no lucio speed for 14 minutes straight"

I just cry everytime i need to fight torb. He wins!!! In a 1v1 the torb winst everytime in close range, after a charge, anytime and he has a 10th of the rein hitbox+range + turret. Its so damm sad because you cant walk in because everyone solos rein and your hitbox is now just a big truck. Your shield is basically useless and you get displaced or outrun by every ability

The dragon disappeared too perfectly, imagine if they got kills with it though!

reinhardt is insane now. the problem is that in high elo people has perfect positioning, so he doesn't work. but he works almost every time down here in gold.

You can really tell Flats hasnt played rein in a while with how hard he lost that Rein v Rein duel.

4:55 I'm glad we all know appropriate mei treatment

Honestly I kinda wish they gave him like 50% damage reduction as he charged cause when I play rein and my shield goes down for 2 seconds, I just get evaporated sometimes. Honestly I want him to have something else but blizzard will make him busted af, which I think he deserves it as the only melee hero besides brig

I'd love to play the game, unfortantly it keeps crashing. Managed to get the BP which I cannot really use or update...

I love Emongg’s dialogue from 9:43 to 10:05 😂 “okay you’re lucky it’s me. I’m going in. I don’t wanna I’m off the point now though, okay I’ll do it. Nobody else is

7:10 holy hell XD

Does papa rein need major buff attention or a major rework?

Maybe give him like an Ana nade passive with each hammer swing so he doesn't get completely melted

Honestly, the big buff rein needs is to fix his fucking hit boxes. Every time I see a rein chage he'll miss the zarya right in front of him but somehow pin the tracer behind him. Same with shatter.

playing with plat/diamond friends has been the best thing for my mental health as a rein player cause I can just spin to win with hammer

I think giving him 200 extra shield health, and a little tweak to his charge might help a lot