Plus he justified killing humans by because they were bad people. So why didn't he have them sent to jail? That's what him and Carlisle do in Midnight Sun. Justifying killing bad people was very strange to me.
The reason P&P works and Twilight doesn't is that Elizabeth Bennet doesn't like Mr. Darcy when he's rude, but Bella loves Edward when he's downright homicidal.
and also, when darcy acts like an ass (1st proposal) and Elizabeth cusses him out for it, he ACKNOWLEDGES that, and TRIES TO BE A BETTER PERSON! in comparison the collins, who both denies and doubles down. it's only when darcy proves that he's made himself better, that she starts to fall for him. and by the time of the 2nd proposal, he's... not a different person, but the best version of himself. and it's only then that she accepts him
Robert Pattinson has talked about how he really wanted to play up the horror aspect because he found Edward creepy and wanted to play him that way. He almost got fired from the film because they told him he was too creepy and had to remind him he was supposed to be playing a love interest lol
@@psychek7355 petition to remake Twilight, going exactly the same except Bella sees this absolute red flag crap for what it is and ends with Edward getting arrested /j
One day i was talking with a friend and she said that if twilight was played in reverse it would be about bella moving to phoenix to escape her abusive stalker. Which honestly sounds way closer to what she should be doing in this situation.
Guys I know what I’m going to do today Edit 1: ok so the end scene is actually a strong first scene for the abusive relationship plot, not so much vampires so you would rework the story in your mind. Like I started it when Bella goes down the stairs and when you watch to the end it’s like Bella has a disease or something because she keeps talking about wanting to die or live forever and her leg is broken. Or maybe he’s abusive and broke it and she’s also depressed because of him. Make your own conclusion if you watch it this way that’s the fun about it. However I’m having trouble finding the next scene. I might skip the climax bits because 1) they are way too connected for me to find a spot to pick up on 2) this movie ends at the prom and the scene before was dealing with the vampires. Trust me tho the movie seems like an indie film about abuse when you do it this way.
before i was allowed to read the twilight series (i wanted to know what all the fuss was about) my mom made me read an article about the 17 signs of abuse in romantic relationships and how edward and bella hit each one, just to make sure i didn't think their relationship was anything healthy
this is smart but the signs of abuse are usually way more extreme than Bella and Edward. Their relationship isn’t healthy but to me it seems like they’re both consenting to such a thing? they’re both into it? sure they may need some therapy but it’s not as scary and extreme as the signs in the article. Like Edward never tried to insult, yell at her, humiliate or hit her as a way to control her. he didn’t do a lot of things the articles say abusive partners do.
@@rosavanesa2399 the personality i agree, but the physicall aspect right down to her eyes if it didn't affect the performance there was no need, except when she turns into a vampire
I tried to wear colorful contact lenses and almost die, fuck they are SO uncomfortable, like when something's in your eye but CONSTANTLY. I know I know they're supposed to be comfy if they're ok but shit did I cry a lot
His hatred for Twilight is really funny but he still decided to do the films and let them make him rich. I’d honestly have more respect for him if he’d done them because he liked them, terrible as they are. Like this he just seems to lack integrity.
@@kiarimarie sure but the first film is bad enough and he saw that script before he signed on. The book was also out and the film is fairly loyal to it. He knew enough before he ever agreed to be involved.
Seriously - my thoughts as well. This is one of those “fans” who write serial killers like Ted Bundy etc., thinking that “I’m the special one who GETS him” - yeah right.
What's even crazier is with Edward he says "I've killed people before" and she says "I don't care" but with Jacob when she THINKS he might've killed someone all of a sudden it's "you need to stop because it's wrong"...like WTF bella?!!!!!
She is holding them to totally different standards for two reasons. 1. She met both under different circumstances and thus knows Jacob as the good guy she compares him to. Edward is frozen in time, not just as a vampire, but also because she has not that much of a time frame, she has known him for. 2. Horny
Well I think if he told her he's killing people right now, she'd tell him to stop too... But yeah she's neglecting what he has done because vampires are cool™
@@100percentep I would argue no. She would find something to make it seem alright. Like women find excuses for their partners actively mistreating them and pulling all other sortsa of bullshit.
Honestly, the two films I first saw her in was this and Snow White and the Huntsman. And after these two movies, I thought she had 2 expressions - confused and high (at the end of Snow White, she looks like she had a really good fart, right before credits roll?). I legit thought she was a bad actress. I didn't realize for a long time that she just suffered under terrible stories and really, REALLY bad direction. As for him? He was Cedric Diggory before he was Edward Cullen. *SHRUG*
@@Fightingforthelost honestly I liked her better in Snow White and the Huntsman but yeah. Her facial expression doesn’t change much. But her tone of voice during her speech is great. I loved it. The line “WHO WILL BE MY BROTHER?!” stuck with me.
thats was a try on intimidating imagine amountain lion hissing to tell "you better get distance" just to scratch you anyway and he is a preditor too so to walk up taller more powerfull is a way to demonstrate how dangerous he can be ita a body lingual version of what he said
Some people that say that honestly tend to be reasonable people, maybe so reasonable that they've been hard-core gaslit their whole lives by parents with issues. They're just coming to age, coming into their own and they're just now starting to know that they can break free of that mentality and experience the world with their own minds.
Although, if that's immediately followed up with "I've killed people", maybe a little bit of caution is warranted. XD Seriously though, it's all about context. Bella's and Edward's relationship feels weird and toxic because they've barely interacted with each other at that point.
The reason Pride and Prejudice is good and this isn't is that Elizabeth stands up to Darcy and wittily tells him off. She doesn't accept him until he proves himself to be a good man under his cold and proud exterior. He also does not stalk, threaten, or harm her and respects her independent mind.
@@aliisahyy9269 Yes! The 1995 mini-series is far superior and is actually faithful to the novel. It captures the Jane Austen spirit. Firth and Ehle's chemistry is more unaffected and natural. The film, on the otherhand, is _way_ too hammy, overwrought, and pretentious for my liking.
I honestly find it hilarious how much Robert Pattinson hated his role in Twilight. I once heard a story that when a bunch of fans calling, "EDWARD!" crowded him, only one yelled, "CEDRIC!" (his role in Harry Potter), they were the only fan that left with an autograph that night. Not sure if that's true, but I wouldn't put it past him. I love his other movies. His acting is wonderful.
We just filmed our NEW MOON episode today. He looks like he's in pain the entire film. We're pretty sure it's not acting but rather his actual feelings doing another of these movies.
Honestly, Bella is pretty lucky that she ended up with Edward, because the whole "I don't care that you've killed people" thing would have resulted in her being found dead in a ditch if it was anyone but Edward
yeah, with a slightly different twist they could have been a serial killer team, with her eventually elevated to equal partner at the end of the series.
I think you're nailing it. If, for some reason, you perceive the world as a dangerous place, becoming the side kick of the most dangerous being out there seems like a valid tactic. It's basically the minion instinct. However, as all movies and reality tell us, it always backfires as the evil overlord sacrifices his minions without a single thought.
See, if this movie were made today and she were a nihilist gen Z teen, he'd say his line and she'd be like "Oh, score. Snap to it, dude. World ain't getting any less crappy," or something similar, and at least then it'd be funnier in a morbid way.
The funniest part of Twilight was that Edward wasn't even like "I'm a reformed vampire who has total control and don't want to kill people". He openly admits that he wants to murder her specifically and she's just like "that's cool bro now let's have sex".
Me to I hated Twilight so much, I never understood why my friends loved both the books and movies. The only good thing was how the wolf transformation was done in the movie.
If you read the books you’d know that they are trying to stay normal, by going to school and fitting in with the humans it helps them stay away from their vampire instincts.
Once I read a tweet saying that Edward couldn't read Bella's mind because her mind was a total blank and she didn't have any opinion/thought/idea. Highly on-point..
I literally used these books and movies to explain stalking and what unhealthy relationships look like for my daughter. I had not heard of the books before she wanted to read them in middle school, so I read ahead of her and decided we should read together. Then when the movies came out, we discussed them further. Seriously, if you wake up and a boy is in your room watching you sleep, you call the police you don't date them. If a man tells you that he murders people you run away and do not date them. It was a great learning tool.
Feel like everyone knows that? I feel like people should go deeper talking about this, not just surface level “ if guy tells you they kill people, call the police”.
I forget where I heard this but stories like these are so appealing to young audiences because the protagonist gains the love interests attention for basically doing nothing and being lovable for reasons beyond their control. Example: Edward is attracted to the smell of Bella’s blood. That is pure genetics and she didn’t have to do anything but exist. For insecure teens the idea of being loved for just existing while you’re going through such an emotionally unstable time in life is very tempting.
"Edward is attracted to the smell of Bella’s blood." I was a little disappointed that they didn't mention this in the video here. They make it seem like Edward acted disgusted for no reason, but it was like this: When Bella entered the room and Edward smells her he had such a strong (positive) reaction that he covers his face to hide it and then acts repelling to keep her away from him to keep her save. Wasn't that in the books? (I didn't read them) Also if I remember correctly Bella had something similar going on and that's the reason she wasn't derreted and afraid of him.
@@dancingpeanut3400 that is true, though I think the over the top disgust reaction from Robert Pattinson in the movie was just bad directing tbh. But in the book what you said is 100% right.
OK, to be completely fair to Edward, in the books he reveals that the people he killed were rapists, murderers, and the lowest of the low. However, they left this out in the movie. Personally, I think they should've kept that information in. It would've worked well to develop his character better.
I'm two years late, but about 14:25, as someone attracted to "bad" people, the kick comes from having the douch be nice to you because they love you. Nothing makes you more special than that, and it's very frequently used in movies. It's generally more about the "you're the only one" that is seen in Twilight, but here you also get the "I love you so much that I'll stay away from you". I think it's important to remind ourselves that if someone is an ass to other people, they'll eventually be an ass to you. Infatuation fades and you're left with the fundamentals of the relationship
My Ex told me, he wanted to be a better person for me. I believed him. But didn't work, it always fluctuated back and forth between love bombing and being a total bum. I kicked him out 2 months later. Toxic people also tell that to manipulate others.
Can ya blame him tho? When it comes to Bella & Friends they are: The most broken, sociopathic people one has ever laid eyes on. Less people rather than a loose collection of character defects.
I think the big difference to Pride and Prejudice is this: Lizzie isn't attracted to Darcy until he changes. Edward never changes, he just tells her the complete truth, but Bella was attracted to him anyways. Lizzie was annoyed by Darcy, was set in seeing him a certain way, and so her growing on him is way slower and feels earned, instead of "he's weird but also he's so hot!"
Yes! Not to mention that Lizzy was crushing on another guy half of the book. It was just after Mr. Darcy's confession that she thought about the two of them together at all (and thought: ugh, NO.WAY.). And after Darcy realizes that he was a jerk, he reflects on himself and reevaluates his priorities, causing a change in behavious that lets Lizzy realise that he's not just his money and pride.
Also, Lizzie and Darcy despite the enemies to lovers structure (which in my opinion, they just don't like each other, because I've never seen them as *enemies*, in my interpretation) is the strong family bond that they have-especially individually. Darcy is with Georgiana, Lizzie has a closer relationship with Jane, although she care about the rest of the family. In twilight on the other hand they don't say anything more reasonable about why the bond among them was so strong-or so lacking, in bella's case. I love the way Darcy and Lizzie relationship was build. He was a jerk at the beginning and not intentionally almost destroyed the chances of Bingley ended up together with Jane, however he recognized. Lizzie was putting Wickham on a pedestal based on the lies that he told her, making Lizzie trust more in her own judgment. Lizzie was aware about Wickham's questionable nature after the letter because she finally see a situation where she and the Bennett family could suffer because she has younger sisters too. That's why Lizzie and Darcy worked well as a couple. The reason was the family besides the virtues and flaws that they have and the time that both sides gave to know each other with mutual respect.
And now that I think about it more, Darcy's biggest 'sin' is his.... well, pride and prejudice. He puts a bit too much emphasis on social status and tends to look down on people with a lower status than himself. Edward literally killed people, and is basically a stalker. So yeah, there's a reason why one novel is a literary classic and the other is just simple amusement. (Yeah, I liked reading Twilight as well.)
FR-I mean every time that I thought about edward and bella's relationship automatically my head associates with with the song "every breath you take" LOL I also was a huge fan of the series during my pre-teens/teen years and I re-read the first book last year after almost one decade, and... OH, BOY! In parts I can't blame bella for being so self deprecating about everything related about herself, she's basically is a reflection of the emotional garbage that she has been consuming all in her daily social circle. The only thing that appreciated in book was Alice/Jasper relationship dynamics. Rosalie/Emmett was good too.
@@joannavelez5179 I’m pretty sure that line was an intentional shoutout since Pattinson was cast as Batman over a year before this video was published. 🤔 What I DO find unnerving is that Bella tells Edward he puts on a mask in public to scare people away from him, thus alluding to Robert Pattinson eventually being cast as Batman 12 years later..... STEPHANIE MEYER IS A PROPHET!!! 😱 Haha
A note on strong female leads for children, Studio Ghibli strives to create complex and independent female leads in movies made for children/teens. Many of their films have female leads. Even when romantic interests are involved, they provide mutual support and companionship but the girls never need saving (in fact the women often save the men too). Don't know the age of your daughters but Ghibli movies are very enjoyable for all ages 😊
well, they sometimes need saving. the thing that I like about it, is that it's never held against them as if women "always" need saving... just that they were in a situation where they needed help. seems healthier with both sexes simply recognizing when someone needs help, rather than all the weight being put on one sex to always be the one to do the saving.
@@sheepsong5681 Try Laputa: Castle in the Sky, Spirited Away, Howl's Moving Castle, Ponyo By the Sea, Kiki's Delivery Service, and Princess Mononoke :)
@@sheepsong5681 The previous reply is very good and pretty much same answer as mine, I guess I would separate it by age myself. For younger children, Kiki's delivery service, Ponyo & My Neighbour Totoro. For older kids/teens, Princess Mononoke, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind & Howls Moving Castle. Spirited Away is good for all ages (it's one of few or the only foreign film to win an Oscar for best animation I've heard - but pls fact check I might be mistaken 😂). Finally, it's message is more about environmentalism but Pom Poko is very good too. This is based on my own viewing, they definitely have more films to explore.
I think something that is a huge part of Bella's character, but what isn't really brought up in the films like it is in the books, is that she had to basically parent both herself and her mother. She was the one who made sure the groceries, the cooking, the chores were done, the bills got paid. She had to be steady where her mother was flighty. Part of her attraction and want to be a vampire I feel is that she is the one being looked after by Edward, by the Cullen's, and if she changes, she can forever be looked after. I think it's even more apparent in new moon, but Bella is Hella depressed, and she clings to the idea of forever and family that Edward gives her, BC she doesn't know what other options she has.
@@serpentinewolf7085 what you're saying is logical but there are people on this planet that could never make the mental leap to physically kill someone and I'm just talking in a life or death scenario. Some people on this planet can't kill. I might even go as far as to say a great amount if not majority wouldn't be able to
@@imperviousdonut Those people are weak and not fit for survival then. Either way it makes sense that others not only kill, but that others are attracted to that. Like imagine a hawk not being attracted to the stronger mate that kills more prey or better kills intruding other hawks. Imagine how far a species has to fall to no longer find traits of survival attractive.
@@serpentinewolf7085 I disagree with how you see people. You describe humans the humans once were or should I say you're seeing all humans as 3rd world humans trying to survive. That's not how the world works anymore. Again this dosent include poverty stricken and starving people for obvious reasons but people in "developed" countries have no need to live like every second mother nature is against you. Hunting and gathering for us no longer exists because of modern amenities. For the most part people have no need for this only the strong will survive bullshit mentality because frankly that's not true. Frankly it's the cunning types that do quite well in the world we currently live in. Also there have historically always been physically weak or sick people who've survived over the greats. Also I think people who outright claim to know that they could kill without ever having been put in such awful situations are full of crap because you can't ever tell if your bodily response would be fight or flight. Humanity couldn't survive if everyone was some type of tough guy
@@imperviousdonut Except to openly rely on such amenities is stupid. If they fail, you die. It’s people who don’t have those instincts that die if shit hits the fan or any real life or death issue happens. You can only be so cunning if you freeze or can’t defend yourself, kill for your right to live. And lots of people don’t know what they’ll do, some do though. You can also train yourself to be more prone to actually fighting or flighting. But you should be worried about amenities and Mother Nature. Ask all those tsunami, hurricane, earthquake (large) survivors. Ask people who needed relief help that didn’t come for days. Look at the rioting we get already, the violence. We can’t safely walk down the streets alone even in first world countries. So yes, the strong also survive and we shouldn’t stray from that because all this fancy shit we’ve built can crumble and you’d only have yourself to rely on for immediate survival. Encouraging weakness just because you think you can is stupid and short sighted. Then again lots of first world people are lazy and weak.
i don't know everyone else, but the fact that bella has no personal interests, activities, or even a life beside her relationship with edward seems pretty codepent for me
@@ber1779 she liked reading and acc read all the time. You never see that in the movies and she was acc really smart but again they got rid of that in the movies.
@@breeh2335 yes! And she also was good at cooking and basically took care of her house, which is pretty impressive in my opinion for a teenager. And she also figures out that Edward is a vampire and reads minds on her own in the books.
the thing about Twilight is that if the narrative had done anything at all to acknowledge how unhealthy Bella and Edward's relationship with each other is, then it could have been an incredible story about how codependency can damage relationships, and maybe even a useful tool for addressing mental health. But it doesn't, it celebrates and romanticizes their co-dependence. The whole Twilight Saga actually reveals a lot about how much Stephanie Meyer herself needs to get help.
Also way late as a response, but I remember the books having a lot of references to Wuthering Heights, which is a toxic romance story. But that assumes the reader has also read Wuthering Heights.
In Pride and Prejudice, Elizabeth does NOT like Mr. Darcy AT ALL while he’s being a huge prick. That’s completely different from Bella is who super drawn to Edward being a jerk. Elizabeth only likes Darcy after she learns that he’s actually a nice person.
@@milchbrotchen2930 plus Edward never stops being manipulative and abusive. He is controlling every aspect of Bella's life till the very last book and she constantly has to fight to have the least bit of control on it . Any similarity here with p&p is just surface level.
@@mrose3299 the six episode mini series actually does a good job of showing Lizzy hating on Darcy before she realizes he’s a good guy. I prefer the series to the movie but i think I’m in the minority lol
Edward keeps showing disinterest and saying “we shouldn’t be friends, so don’t try to be friends with me”... but why is he following her around, then? How does that makes sense!?
Because people love forbidden obsession in romance stories. “I can’t believe that you as a person exist and breathe the same air as me get away, but I actually can’t stop thinking about you ever.” People eat that shit up. You should have seen how outraged my mother got when I presented her with the facts about how dangerous twilight could be especially to developing teenage girls who are starting to learn about how the wider world works. She was livid. But I’m glad this channel exists to outline those who act like Edward, and those who will strive to defend this saying “It’s just fluff”.
@@papersmoke3441 yeah. I was a tween when the movies came out and...I think it set bad relationship ideas onto the people who thought it was the most amazing thing ever.
No I think it's more like "I'm fucking dangerous and could possibly kill you, and I don't wanna do that to you', which is fucking toxic but still. (that's also why he looked disgusted, because he didn't want to do anything. I would describe it more like "tense" though.)
I think the main issue with Bella is that she feels alone and betrayed. Her mum literally chose her new relationship over Bella. Now imagine a teenager, who probably feels lonely and unsupported, move in with a person she doesn't even know that well. And she chooses Edward in hopes of being loved and accepted
@@dominiquechristine you thinking like a person who probably has somewhat to good relationships with her parents. Having divorced parents is already traumatic (it really is), but then being parentified by the mother, and then the mother abandons you for a new relationship and sent to live with the absent father really would mess with either a son or a daughter. People suffering that badly get messed up, and they have really messed up internal compasses of how love is, and they sometimes/often end up with other really messed up people because that's what love has been taught to them. I've been so lonely i've been with really hurtful people out of sheer soul crushing loneliness. Seriously, i feel like you have no idea what you are talking about.
@Anwelei -- A vastly under-discussed point, imo. . Bella raised herself, raised her immature and honestly (speaking as a person with ADHD; if you are one and you know it, you tend to recognize your own kind) probably undiagnosed and untreated ADHD mother, and then went to live with her once-physically still-emotionally absent father (who reads like he has chronic depression, if he's not just a victim of bad writing and the absent-parent trope needed for many YA plots to occur) in a by-then almost completely unfamiliar place. . She never had time to have fun or be a child, because she had to be the responsible adult in her household. She's deeply insecure because she knows all the way down to her bones that she has no parent to rely on for emotional comfort or physical protection or even probably financial stability. . She's confused and then flattered by having bad unhealthy attention because she's shocked and pleased to have ANY attention, but especially by some (literally) dazzling enigma of a 'boy' the likes of which nearly the entire town's worth of adolescent girls put up on a Want List pedestal. It validates her entire existence... . Until it starts to highlight how lowly and unspecial and going-to-age *human* she is in comparison. Which then needs to be cured by becoming not-human, and shiny, and special (even amongst the already-shiny), and then she'll finally be worthy!!! . (With a minor detour to satisfy Edward's demands for marriage and then quickly fulfill her purpose as a female to -- self-sacrificingly -- procreate, but without any of that pesky need to put in the hours to survive raising an infant or earn a toddler's trust and/or cooperation. THEN she'll be perfect and deserving to be drowned in riches and ease and adoration!) . ^ Totally not the harmful subconscious mentality of victims of neglect and/or abuse! Really!
@dominiquechristine -- You know, kudos for your humility and having the maturity and graciousness to own up to re-thinking your original opinion and/or argument. That's an uncommon response, especially on the internet.
Pride and prejudice is good because their relationship works ONLY after he lets go of his pointless pride and she recognizes the fault in her prejudice. This individual growth makes them ready for an equal relationship
Bella: "Because you're hot and you pay attention to me... which means this is true love. I cAn fEeL iT." *eyeroll...* This is literally ALL of us at 16 years old. Any teens reading this comment, listen to this happily married 30 year old woman: You will fall in love several times in your life. You will not MARRY everyone you fall in love with. Your 'first love' feels SO intense because it's your first time feeling these feels. But it will happen many times over before you're 30 years old. Also, the type of boy/girl you like when you're 16 is soooo different from what you'll want when you're 25 or 30. If you're a teen out there forcing a bad relationship to work... or a teen feeling depressed after being dumped, thinking you lost your "true love"... Don't worry. It gets better. You're just going through your unripe, hormonal bombaclot phase. So chin up buttercup. That is all.
Another big difference between this story and Lizzy and Darcy is that Elizabeth does not stand for bullshit. She calls him out on his bad behavior and doesn’t allow herself to swoon over someone who has treated her poorly.
That’s a good point - and possibly one he was heading towards, when he talked about “why Pride and Prejudice works, and Twilight doesn’t” In the books, we are told that her all time favourite book is “Wuthering Heights” …which is also about toxic, and abusive, relationships between the main characters! EVERY character in Wuthering Heights is an assh*le! They’re all horrible people! Heathcliff didn’t start awful, but was treated like dirt, by almost everyone. Cathy was terrible from the start - and she was only a child then. …except maybe Heathcliff’s son, and Catherine’s daughter, at the end. They might have been ok - once everyone they knew moved away, or died.
I picked up a random version of Twlight in a thrift store (those books you can always rely on to find in thrift stores cheap), and literally Stephanie Meyer said that each books was based on a famous romance novel. Twlight is based on Pride and Prejudice, but somehow, I can’t see the connection.
Oh this is going to be fun. I remember hearing a domestic abuse counselor saying that she loved Twilight. When someone asked her why, she responded that it was full of examples of mental abuse. She literally had several scenes to choose from that highlighted every warning sign and red flag. It helped her show people what abuse, stalking, and toxic relationships looked like.
She is also coming from a broken family, so she has no idea what a normal functioning relationship is. She thinks because he loves her, everything is okay and she accepts everything. She has no self-esteem therefore, does not think she is pretty, she does not believe she is smart nor does she believes she is worthy of love. So, when she comes across someone really attracted to her, she does not understand it to be a toxic love, she just embraces it and accepts it. It's the perfect example of narcissist/co-dependant relationship
I wish they would have brought this up in the video. I think Bella is a very interesting character. It was nice seeing an introverted main character who cares too much about other people and feels like she doesn't belong. Both Bella and Edward are super insecure about lots of stuff and that contributes to making their relationship toxic in a lot of ways. I felt that these insecurities were relatable as a young teenager. I also believe most girls are able to identify the problematic parts about this relationship, it is quite clear in both the books and the movies. Vampires, romance and relatable personal problems makes this story very captivating, I guess that's part of the reason why the books became so popular.
I haven't read the first book in a while, so... I remember Bella's parents being divorced, but wasn't it a pretty amicable divorce? Like, she got to spend time with both of them for certain amounts of time, and nobody was The Bad Parent™? I vaguely remember her mom being a bit more focused on boyfriends than Bella. IDK 😅 I guess I have a different idea of a broken family.
@@alexandriahunt6058 so Bella used to visit often when she was younger. I don't remember why she stopped. I want to say she felt like a disconnect because her dad was depressed so she felt uncomfortable and stopped seeing him but the parents make little no to effort to communicate with each other or co parent her in a healthy way. It's like parents who say they're "good parents" because they never abused you. The bar is just so low for parents. It was a broken home just not abusive. Also I feel the need to point out that I think I own all 4 movies
@@imperviousdonut Oh, okay~ Thanks for clarifying. Some people use the term "broken family" to refer to any sort of split in the familial unit, and there's well-rounded kids out there with divorced parents because the parents were still good at BEING parents to their kids 😌
I remember in high school so many girls saying they wanted a relationship like Bella and Edward and I totally couldn't understand why and I actually worried about them.
@@ad.mockingbird When you try to get through to them you get sappy pretentious shit back like "You've never been in love. You just don't understand." People who are in love don't stalk each other, break into each other's houses to watch them sleep, you ask politely or they ask you politely if you or they want to be driven home not "Let me drive you home and if you try to run away I'll drag you back to my car" like Edward did. People who love each other are not controlling and don't justify that control as "protection."
I WAS one of those girls as a young, impressionable teen. I got obsessed with this series and it probably contributed to my "yandere" phase. Took years of therapy to finally get to a healthy perspective on romantic relationships. Even at the time of reading Twilight, I had absolutely no idea how/why Bella fell in love with Edward
I've always thought of it like this. Edward looked repulsed by Bella at the start instead of attracted, because he was repulsed by what his need to kill her made him feel like. He never wanted to be a monster. He hated what he was, so he tried so hard to not be that. Then Bella shows up, and almost takes all those years of being good and not a monster away from him. He hates himself, but he also hates Bella in that moment.
I'd actually prefer to read a story about how recovering human-bloodaholic Edward's life is thrown off kilter by meeting his "blood singer" Bella. Who, courtesy of her neglectful childhood, is a needy, insecure, walking talking emotional blackhole desperate to be wanted. Which causes her to throw herself into his path (and draw attention to him) despite his attempts to avoid her. . She sees him as the fairytale cure to her lonely, lowly human life. He sees her as one more misery foisted on him in his unending undead existence. . He gets no helpful from his hypocrit coven 'dad' Carlisle (who considers vampires damned yet made the rest of them anyway); his stepford-smiler 'mom' Esme who deals with her eternal depression by helicopter-parenting Edward; his manic-pixie narcissistic psychic 'sister' Alice or her half-feral all-resentful captive-bf, Jasper. . The only ones on his side are his coven sister Rose (whose backstory doesn't even need to be changed to fit this AU); her loyal but lunkheaded security-risk of a bf, Emmet; and the wolf-shapeshifter, Jacob, who's trying to save his childhood friend Bella from herself. . Can Edward resist the call of Bella's blood when she dogs his footsteps at school, and his prison-warden-of-a-sire insists on allowing Alice to ambush him with her new bestie in his own home? Will this temptation force him into allying with the wolves? Or will he be forced to kill (or worse, turn) Bella in order to avoid risking human discovery and thus the Volturi's vengeance?? . ...Dang, now I really want somebody to write this fanfic!
I'm pretty sure that's what Edward said about why he reacted to her the way he did when he first smelled her. He hated himself so much & then here comes Bella whose blood calls to him & now he hates himself even more bc now he wants to do what he's been trying to avoid doing forever. Then he's fascinated by her bc he can't hear her thoughts.
Yea, I never realised it wasn't well showed in the movie that he didn't so much as hate her at first sight, he just really really really wanted to eat her. He spend the whole class not breathing because of it. Why do I remember these details after so many years...
It makes it even better when you find out that in the biology scene, Edward was thinking “Holy crap, all I can think about right now is killing her and everyone else in the room.” Cause the new book is from Edward’s perspective.
He’s also canonically a virgin until he meets Bella in the books; waiting 100+ years to make a sexual debut is repressing pent up energy that needs to be spent.
I think the difference between Pride and Prejudice is Elizabeth gave as good as she got compared to Bella. So the relationship in P&P was much more balanced compared to Twilight where Edward is far too in control
I feel so bad for the actors in this movie. They’re genuinely good but the director just ruins it. Tbh I freaking love the side characters in the books. I’m sad SM decided to write about the most boring brother in this family. Why can’t she write about the vampire with amnesia who finds out she’s a psychic. Civil war being a vampire turf war. Ancient vampire that has never tasted a drop of human blood, training to be a doctor.
They are good actors. Did you give movie 4 & 5 a try? I very much liked the first book but had to struggle to tolerate the poor direction of movies 1-3. Only Condon knew how to handle the material imo
Right???? I saw the movies first, and loved the side characters way more, which in turn inspired me to read the books. She’s so close to doing something amazing within the vampire universe, almost to the level of Ann Rice, but it gets bogged down with this stupid storyline. Also the first movie is SUCH a guilty pleasure of mine. I could tell it was the director’s first movie. Also, people gave Kirsten such crap for how she portrayed Bella, but if you read the books you realize that’s it. That’s exactly how Bella as a character is written. It’s the same thing with Katniss and Jennifer Lawrence’s portrayal. Also, also: I do think Kirsten Stewart has talent as writer. I loved her book The Host!! Also, she apparently was raised Mormon, so that realllly explains her weird way of looking at relationships.
I was in high school when these books came out. I was on team Bella and Edward but now I see so many problems in their relationship as an adult. Edward and Bella really need therapy. You think the Cullens could have found a vampire therapist with their fortune. I love watching both of your reactions to this.
I was team Jacob. I wonder if he ended up being a douche too. I don't remember, so I'm interested to watch these and see if my teenage self correctly assessed him as a nice guy.
I think that's slightly better in the sense that it doesn't try to hide the fact it's toxic at all. Interesting to look into AND not setting preteen girls up for abusive relationships (yay)
Ok but I just want to point out: If you read Midnight Sun (Twilight from Edward's point of view) the initial reaction of him being repulsed is how it's written. So it was acted correctly. He hated her immediately because he wanted her blood so badly that he actually felt like he needed to kill her (and the entire class) just to taste her blood. Turning him into the monster he tried so hard not to be, and causing him to fail Carlisle - who's opinion of him matters to him more then anyone else's. He hated her for what she makes him want to do, and hates himself for wanting it. So he acted if correctly, and they directed it correctly. But they did fail to explain it to the audience correctly, to be fair 😁
Sadly that is toxic thinking: he hated her for what SHE MAKES HIM want to do. She doesn't make him do anything, she is not responsible for his actions. I am not saying you think like him. Just pointing it out because of the theme of the video. I completely agree that the character and reaction is because he is playing a vampire who is disgusted with being a monster
@@niaselah3348 Twilight, and Edward, are both EXTREMELY toxic 😅 He thought she was "making" him want to do these awful things, because he is extremely toxic 😁
@@aryarainflower Yes. Also other characters are too. It idealizes very dangerous behaviors. In the story they play it like that is the appearance but not the reality beneath. Anyway those behaviors should never be tolerated but it must be said too that most toxic behaviors are exposed as such despite that idealization. Personally I find more toxic and dangerous behaviors that pretend to be normalized and are covert
@@niaselah3348 Oh yeah, for sure!! I remember reading the book as a teen when it came out, and thinking it was the most romantic story I ever read.... Then I read it again as an adult, and I could barely see the plot through all those red flags 😅
Part of the Liz/Darcy thing that works is that she flat tells him "your behavior is UTTERLY unacceptable," he goes "oh shit you right," and then DOES THE WORK of becoming a better person. Also she doesn't go belly-up when he's a prick to her, she makes fun of him. Zero "drawn to his prickishness", just self-amused trolling until he proposes out of left field
I've seen this series over and over. I had a relationship and was engaged. Watching this again now after my brake up makes me realize that I almost married an Edward .... I just got out and am so happy I'm free
@@JessemyBeadleI don't think so. I saw the cinema therapy series over and over. I was so unbelievably happy that I had a relationship with a man that I ignored a lot of important signs. I know it's toxic, but I was in a very bad place when we met and he ran with it. We were together for 6 terrible years. Only afterwards you see how bad it was. It's a long healing process, but I'm on my way.
@hecate3062 -- Glad you got out! It's very much like escaping emotional imprisonment. The jail cell bars are invisible to others, and at first even yourself, but the effects of being in an imprisoning relationship make themselves known in time. Singledom never feels so much like freedom as it does after getting away from a bad ex and toxic relationship.
@@elizatilsizoglou5946 Exactly. It's similar to how many people (of any gender or sexuality) like anti-heroes or well-written villains in movies but that doesn't mean they admire or want to associate with actual bad people in real life. What we are attracted to or entertained by in cinema does not always translate to real life. It really bugs me that "women love bad boys" has been applied to real life and passed off as common knowledge. I do have one college friend that dated a string of "bad boys" in college but I don't like to label it as that because she was really just selecting abusive partners due to trauma from childhood abuse. She's since stopped due to facing that trauma and seeking help. But that's not a case for "women love bad boys hehe eye-roll." Euphemizing the fact that a small percentage women romanticize or pursue abusive partners is bullcrap. Repeating the (supposed) aphorism that "women love bad boys" (irl) implies that it is something inherent or instinctual and NOT a manifestation of unhealthy attitudes that can be fixed with mental help. Which is just plain inaccurate.
Not exactly the same but I have a huge interest in Azula from Avatar the last airbender. This is because psychology intrigues me, especially the psychology of someone who is mentally ill. I enjoy trying to rationalize and discover the motives behind what Azula does and her decisions. I would never want to be with someone like Azula, and the "bad boy/girl" thing isn't my type, but it relates to your comment "women like bad boys _on screen_ ."
Only thing I can think of is the sort of draw to boys who are scruffy. Like not jerks but a little wild, maybe grew up poor because sometimes the people who have had it good their whole lives get entitled and blind to certain things
Frankly, I really had a female friend who treated the only good guy she was attracted to really BAD, but was chasing after bad guy like you have no idea! And I am really glad that she was my friend and NOT my love interest.
the difference with Pride and Prejudice was that Lizzie Bennet was not interested in Mr. Darcy until after he proved to be a really nice guy. She even rejected his proposal. Bella is never put off by Edward.
I’m not going to lie I do find the stories, histories, and more of criminology/criminals but I would not date a serial killer psychopath and I don’t idolize serial killers. I am a musical theatre person and actor and part of what got me into it was Bonnie and Clyde: the musical. The two original cast members are both actors I have idolized from before I saw it and I admire them for playing those roles so well and bringing a new understanding to them all while singing and dancing and seeing their side of the story and maybe even slightly retelling it. I have never read pride and prejudice or saw it but I can tell that there is a huge difference. Edward Cullen was an obsessive man and killer in the stories and from things that others have said in comments I’ve seen he even went as far as greasing up Bella’s windows to get in and watch her without making noise and put it in the category of love. The thing with Bella is that she was attracted to those qualities which may have something to do with trauma like most wrong attractions an example is her parents marriage and how because they were divorced she wanted to end up in a marriage that lasted forever. If you think about it in a way that Edward stalked her so much it was as if she was never left alone and became dependent on him causing ‘love’ it’s just the idea of “what do I do now that I know all of this?” The author of twilight wrote the books in Bella’s point of view which gave viewers the perspective that this is love but its how she sees it, but what about an outside perspective? One that isn’t Edward? If you’d ask me how I’d categorize the twilight books I’d say it was a psychological horror romance because Bella had moved to a new environment to a new town, with new people, a father she hasn’t seen in years, as a teenager, learning that paranormal creatures exist and being thrust into the world of them, because this is new for her and she has this guy that’s part of this world.
“Edwards courts Bella like Batman scares criminals” Jesus christ I can’t stop laughing. A more perfect portrayal of their relationship has never existed.
I have spent years trying to explain to people my feelings for the Twilight series. I read all the books, I partly hated them and partly loved them. Then I watched all the movies and still enjoy watching them, but I am fully aware that this is not Relationship Goals territory. This is more Relationship Nightmares for Dummies and Red Flags 101. I tell my children that if they choose to read or watch Twilight, they should know that it's brainless and hurtful and that any man who treats a woman this way at any point should be dumped immediately. Yet, I still enjoy it on a brainless entertainment level.
I relate to this. My boyfriend wanted to watch the movies with me last year because he thought it would be funny. Neither of us had seen them before and I knew next to nothing about them aside from the very basics even though I was in the right demographic to have been into them growing up. I both loved and hated the movies. I loved relating to that feeling of teenage angst and desperation for love and acceptance, but I also was creeped out by soooo many things. The whole thing with Bella's baby and Jacob was weird AF and then when he asks Edward if he should start calling him dad I almost puked. But somehow even despite the creepiness and unhealthy relationships and behaviors, I still very unexpectedly enjoyed the movies.
Media also generally gets the “bad boy” that women seem to be attracted to completely wrong. Most women are not attracted to an asshole who is a rebellious bad boy just to rebel. The aesthetic has something to do with it sure, but the women I know are attracted to “bad boys” who are rebels with a cause, there’s something they’re fighting against and are actually good people to their friends and family and to strangers, usually people in positions of weakness or service. A good person who has been labeled a bad guy because he pushes back on parts of the world that hurt the weaker. At least that’s the part that myself and women I know are drawn to
I feel most "bad boys" are actually charming. They have great sense of humour, a way to get things done when needed and are super confident about their talents. What media doesn't say is that girls are attracted to charming boys and not "bad boys". And I also feel that it goes both ways, not just with girls. Any person would be attracted to another confident person.
I feel like bella's issue is that she thinks he doesn't want her and that actually makes her more attracted to him because unfortunately sometimes humans want the thing that doesn't want us
And it's even more painful to watch because LITERALLY EVERY MALE IN TOWN, EXCEPT FOR THE PARENTS, IS ATTRACTED TO HER. And she only wants the one who's a rude prick and doesn't respect her in any way.
as an awkward teenager, watching this movie really resonated with me in the way they act and the whole "directing problem" thing makes sense if you expect normal charismatic adults but these are awkward teenagers and it's so great in terms of that in my opinion and from my recent experience
Also, Mr Darcy wasn’t sneaking into Longbourne to watch Lizzie sleep. His actions were seen as rude at first but in later context he’s never actually a bad guy. Edward isn’t Mr Darcy, he’s a creep plain and simple. And Bella is no Lizzie, not by any way I can see at least.
Right. If we want to compare Twilight to another couple, we just have to go back 20 years to Buffy-Angel did the whole “in your room watching you sleep” and it was creepy then, too.
@@khills I’ve never seen Buffy, which I ought to correct, but if I’m not mistaken, Angel comes into the series as a villain, then goes through a whole redemption arc. Am I right in this assumption?
@@greywalker505 And spoil things for you? 😉 No, on first meet, and while doing the creepy bedroom watch while sleeping bit, Angel is not a villain. Spike is the baddie vamp who has a redemption arc. Or arcs, depending on who you ask. (Angel does become a villain, Angelus… it’s a lot. Worth watching, if just for the cultural stuff.)
@@greywalker505 No, Angel is not a villain, at least not in the first season. However, in the second season, he becomes a villain after him and Buffy… do something. (Spike, on the other hand, was introduced as an antagonist, who was also apparently supposed to die but became so popular with the fans that they kept him on.) I won’t tell you what happens as the show still is good even two decades later and if you have Amazon Prime, you can watch it on there.
When you're a 16 year old girl, this was the shit. But then you grow up and realize how toxic the characters are... As Kennie J.D put it, Bella had the "personality of lawn clipping" and somehow gets two attractive guys to fall in love with her. For a 16-year-old all you register is "I just have to look pretty but be the " ugly girl" who doesn't know my worth and a dark handsome guy will rescue me."
I get you. I loved twilight when the first movie came out. I was too young(16 yo) to understand how relationship works and I was more hooked to the excitement from getting attention from a hot mysterious man. But when I got older and saw remaining movies, I found twilight toxic and hoped my future daughters would never read it and get inspired by it. I tried reading the book but I didn't get past the second chapter because I despised and was annoyed by Bella's personality
@@jaybirdfly149 i too was a fan but by the time i realized that this series was terrible it was too late, as in i had bought all of books and a dvd, watched all of the movies. At some point I considered selling the books and DVD online but then I thought if I sell them no one is going to buy them.
Rob did such a good job of portraying edward. When you read the books, they do a significantly better job of explaining how uncomfortable he is when he first met Bella. And the look on his face when they sit next to eachother in the classroom is just so spot on
"Women wanting to date 'bad boys' is a fantasy, because if they really dated a bad boy it's an episode of cops and they'll be shouting, lock his ass up." - Jeff Foxworthy
The thing about women liking bad boys is that they most of them aren't in it for the 'bad' part. They like 'bad boys' who are rebels for a cause that they believe in. They like people who rebel for the right reasons, not people who are rude because they feel like it
@@levi1111 not necessarily, depends on age, maturity level and personality and “bad” has many forms, doesn’t just mean being rude like cussing or whatever you mean by “rude”
The difference between Edward and Bella and Darcy and Lizzy is that Lizzy never took Darcy’s crap for the sake of “changing him.” She called him out on it, and Darcy took that as honest criticism. He then changed himself FOR himself, which, as a positive side effect, made Lizzy fall for him. AND on an even better note in their favor: It’s not just him! Darcy does the same for Lizzy, but more through his actions then his words. (Hence the title, they help each other realize and get other their pride and prejudice)
Yes!! There's also the fact that Darcy's first slight of Elizabeth prejudices her against him, so even when he compliments or stands up for her she misreads it.
how i interpreted it and especially after reading midnight sun, edward was not repulsed, he was filled with so much desire and an almost primal urge to kill her, so much so that he planned how to kill the entire classroom to be able to get away with it. but edward doesn’t want to be a monster so he tries to avoid her, like switching out of classes.
What I feel like people dont get is that this was a gigantic hit because there are so many women who have experienced emotional neglect or trauma and these film play perfectly into their sense of relationships and desires which came from it. What I dont understand is how people arent shocked about HOW MANY girls and women react so positively so this and how no one ever comes to the conclusion of holy shit maybe there is something sincerely wrong with what too many women and girls have to experience.
Years of misogyny teaches women that stalker behavior and extreme possessiveness is romantic and it's their job to love abusive people into decent people. Women being victim-blamed and guilt-tripped into staying in abusive relationships. Or being pressured to stay with abusive turds because "don't let such a great catch (referencing appearance, talent, degrees, money, etc) get away" or their family and peers thinking her and the turd superficially look so perfect together
Literally if someone talks to you the way Edward talks to Bella before they're even *in* a relationship, I suggest you RUN and save yourself from a lot of drama, heartache, and toxicity. Like if someone says some shit like "I said we shouldn't be friends not that I didn't want to be" or "If you're smart you'll stay away from me", those are some *red flags*
If someone is going to give you a legit warning about themselves, take the damn warning to heart!! Why are you ignoring their warning? Are you looking for abuse? Come onnnnnnn. They are basically waving a *giant* red flag above your head!! They aren’t even hiding it behind their back _they are literally telling you they are shit_
@@calamity2383 He was basically threatening her as well. Saying that no matter how fast she ran he'd catch her and that he'd kill her if she tried to fight him.
Maybe its just that I am a guy, but to me the whole 'she's the prettiest in the town, she shouldn't be this stunned at getting attention' doesn't hold up. If I was walking into a room, or any environment with other guys, I would not be able to accurately judge my handsomeness compared to other guys. Are people supposed to do that?
I also didn't understand that confusion. I think when teens enter a new environment, they mostly hope for not doing something emberrassing. Adults do that too, just maybe less intensely.
I think it is a female thing. We constantly compare ourselves to other women and are painfully aware of where we fall on the attractiveness scale. Lots of men do the same to women as well, but not themselves I guess.
As a major Pride and Prejudice fan, I think the core of the turn they are talking about with Darcy is that after she tells him exactly what a prick has been, he makes an active choice to better himself and makes works to fix past wrongs as best as he can all without any hope that those actions will change anything about his relationship with Lizzie. Also, I don’t think there is any attraction to him until after the first proposal. She is intrigued by him maybe, but not attracted.
I think Lizzy is very attracted to Darcy which is why his rejection stings. Us modern audiences miss the signs of Lizzy's attraction to him and I think Lizzy misses it too. She thinks that skittering heart is because of dislike and nothing more.
When i was younger i used the Twilight audiobooks to help me sleep. The norwegian reader had a very calm and slow reading style and i didnt really care about the story so in the beginning it worked great. But i remember around the time i got to eclipse my mom had to turn it off becouse i was laughing to much. It was just so ridiclous and bad that i couldt stop myself from laughing.
