Religions and babies | Hans Rosling 

Hedgy Verona, agreed.

Hedgy i really love the baby in your profile pic..😍so cute

i was more surprised that there were so many expats in doha

yeah, and as if very color categorized so as to tell apart easily...

Totally unrelated: Cute baby profile pic🥰

It would have been sad if he were never born then, wouldn't it.

He didn't even make it to 70, how sad. :(

Sad that I cannot watch the update on the charts he loved so much narrated by him now in 2020. There is still a way to visualize them on my own through their website: Gapminder.org

That's a loss. RIP.

#NationsPride

100%

and its a freely usable resource!

You should read his book: Factfulness. Mucho of the same demographic theme but extremely accessible and well written.

@@ceciliaquental5409 i finished it just now! Awesome book!

Maria Therese well, yes and no. He means there is limited resources and space for us all and when we hit that limit the population will decline on it’s own.

@@samanthasherrard162well, yes and no. It was a joke.

Not enough upvotes

tHANoS

*Corona: Got it*

Peak oil up for debate

Good band name. "Goodnight people of Wyoming, we are Peak Child thank you!"

@@brandonmccoy8891 goodnight people we are, we aren't.

2 is the peakest, childs can peak.

The laser point is significantly less visible on small screens. He made a good choice, whether by old habit or conscious intent

I laser pointer would be VERY hard to see on that type of screen. He made the right choice. Wish more people chose the pointer rod.

not a fishing rod though, like he uses

I think it was a fishing pole. "Teach a man to fish ......"

Its unsatisfactory

I thought japan is great becuase of art, but, uhh..... i guess women here had a bit of bad luck.

That's quite interesting. Here in the nordics we follow a lot of christian events but so many are raised without a religion and stay that way. Luckily we have pretty good conditions for women taking maternal leave and such.

"Japan has always been an exception" Foreal tho

@@jk56 Still, children per woman are about 1.8 in Scandinavia, so we have the same problem as Japan, women are having fewer children than we need, since a birthrate of 1.8 means about 0.9 girls born per woman. Without immigration, Scandinavian population would steadily decline.

@@adrianroed2178 Pretty much all western countries are in a similar boat. The particular distinction with Japan is their very rigid opposition to immigration in contrast to a country like the U.S. that gets a lot of immigrant labor to fill in the less than 2 per woman child rate of the native born. And then it leads to freakouts by racists who think they're somehow getting replaced.

two new babies.

Oh yeah? RIP Hans...

@New New Milo From Hep C.

Big, big loss. Great man. Thank you for your contributions Sir

Commentates isn't a word

@@sha9543 Try again.

@@sha9543 it most definitely is

"Factfulness: Ten Reasons We're Wrong About the World--and Why Things Are Better Than You Think" disclaimer: written before corona pandemic

Brezo11 same here

Awesome! Another book goes to my list

@@lm_b5080 Interestingly enough, he does mention his concern about a pandemic several times in the book, and with his background in epidemiology, his prediction was spot on.

Necuno huh?

Necuno what Andres said: I have no idea what these sentences are saying.

It simplified it greatly!

Unless you can give a universal definition of "quality of life," that is a most unsupportable assertion in context of this video. E.g., if a woman is "happy" bearing/raising 10 children while eschewing higher education, does she not enjoy a commensurate high QOL? Conversely, if a woman has a high-paying executive position, all the trappings that go with it and no children, but is miserable, does she not have a commensurate low QOL? Or do you believe there is no correlation between the poor state of modern families and degradation of our modern, worldwide, societies?

@@DT-52 People generally relate their happiness to how well they fit in with the values of the society they live in. Having children used to be valued more.

@@DT-52 you missed his point.. the most imp part was 'Choice'

Winter, have you read Melinda Gates book? Your comment seems like it supports her findings. I am a fan of it.

D T how happy can you be if you have no choice?

daipaulig he predicted it.

daipa

Akshay Sheth omg I laughed so hard This is sad and funny at the same time

But I saw him the other day at the hardware store.

3rd world can't relate

Random Fjord If you watched the fucking video you would see they do relate instead you’re degenerate life is spent writing racist comments because your preconceived notions of bias are attacked

@@babyboo9252 you mean the people in the audience who are most likely rich enough to attend this event, pretty sure they dont represent the majority of people in those countries given the statistic that 10 % of any given population produces geniuses the majority of people in the world are not smart/intelligent and they will be the demise of the entire planet

You can get the tools for yourself (free as in speech) at gapminder.org

Graphics courtesy of Gapminder Trendalyzer I think. Accent courtesy of Sweden.

He is an interesting man himself

the software is actually a website on the internet. I don't remember the site, but you can make several graphs, gdp, population growth, etc

Really? I can assure you that every Swede, no matter how much they loved Hans, cringes when he talks. This is just the Swedish way. I still have nightmares about some of the Volvo commercials. Yikes.

@@SomeNiceMovies why do people cringe? You mean when he speaks in English or Swedish?

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I’m swedish, like Hans btw, and I too can almost feel the difference. My grandad who came from a poor family had 10 siblings. Now no one gets that many kids in Sweden. He himself got two kids. And his daughter, my mother got two kids.

I feel sorry for your grandma who gave labor 7 times, your grandpa did almost nothing tbh

German here. I have two children. My father had five siblings, my father-in-law had six. Both had siblings dying as kids, so what Mr. Rosling says makes a lot of sense to me.

The way you wrote this pissed me off. I just want you to know that.

He passed away a year and a half ago.

I'm not surprised. My dad still to this day perceive all romani people in Sweden based on what he was told by one romani child in the 1960s. Because we all know the 9 year old kid next door knows everything and is a perfect representative of an entire people and it's not as if you'd remember something wrong or any social progression would happen just because 50 years go by. /sarcasm

Wow, just read through a bunch... you're right. Seriously, he demonstrated math with blocks visually... but math smath, who cares right, butt yanking to whatever whim fits one's fancy is more enjoyable right?

Rosling is very influenced by his position that anything that Muslims and non whites is doing his okay. He is not the only expert in this field, but he is very promoted by the UN and the likes of TED.

Hugo, Why would you say that under this topic? Are you trying to illustrate OPs point? :)

Hans Tun Risking builds in a whole load of assumptions into his model. There are other demographers with other less politically correct points of view. One of Roslings assumptions for example is that the excess population in Africa and the Middle East will do no damage to the structure of western societies when their excess population moves. He is also very optimistic about our ability to feed an extra billion per decade. He ignore the massive ecological damage that human over population is doing to the other creatures that live on this planet. Rosling always conflated immigrants and refugees. He was very in favour of Sweden taking the huge number of immigrants it has taken over the last few years - and look at the disaster that is proving to be for Swedish society.

I agree that religions change over time but that’s because societies have shaped religion in their image. When societal norms change, religion changes. When I was in India many years ago, most people really looked down on me (middle class woman) for working after I had a child. Especially so because my husband had a good job. Nowadays several middle class women work after having a child and it’s not that much of a novelty in any class. That was just society changing and not dictated by my religion (which as it happens has no opinion on professional women)

@@dasikakn Social norms are never a homogenous group, they're heterogenous with religion(s) being one or more factors, every factor vying for as much control as they can. Society doesn't change without its components changing, the question is which one(s) and what exactly is changing. Sometimes it's religion. Sometimes religion strenuously tries to resist, oppose and overcome the change. It is the different components of society that change each other, with what we call society simply being an overarching (and fairly local) concept. Many societies have changed, and many societies have become more secular in the process, seperating church and state. India has been a secular state since 1976, but despite such a significant stride it currently has a "cultural nationalistic" party in power whose definition of "Indian culture" strongly favours Hinduism. On the other hand, the caste system still exists in India, which means a different poilitical factor pulling on society through its influence. Now I am no expert on India and its (caste) politics and religion so I don't know what their exact stance on women is but going by your story, the position of women wasn't all that different from the position of women in developed western nations during the first half of last century. So if their improved position stands, that's great, and we can only hope that lasts. It should be noted that even in developed western European countries and the USA there are plenty groups who call upon religion or some form of natural law to determine the position of women. I only need to drive for about an hour to hit a community where women are still "encouraged" to be housewives and raise kids. These ideas are obviously not new, they're old, and if these people had their way, that'd be the norm again. If these countries had a strong conservative group rise to power similar to the one in India, it'd risk obliterating women's rights. Sadly we don't always move forwards.

+osquigene www.gapminder.org/news/upgrade-notes-gapminder-world-offline-version-0-0-7/

+osquigene Hah! Was totally going to comment on how awesome he is as an orator. Instead, I'll just share my sentiments under your comment and be redundant. Teehee :D

+osquigene We used it for a school project once, it's fantastic!

If you make people richer no matter how much wont they use more carbon energy? And then they will have better medical care and live longer also producing more carbon? And even in rich countries are there not people on welfare that have significantly more children and those people are more wealthy on welfare than some of the people in Bangladesh and they are to lazy to work and just have more kids for more money. Do we just give them more money and say you can have it only if you stop having kids? In rich countries the poorer have 4 kids the rich have one or 2. Do we make everyone rich.? And the rich use 5 times more carbon than the poor per person so its like we have 5 poor kids to each rich kid.

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Access to contraception is not a right. I have no moral obligation to assist someone in getting an abortion. However you could argue they have a right to not have their access to contraception unnecessarily impeded. Edit: for some reason 3 years ago i equated abortion with contraception. I don't know why. However it is both true that access to contraception is not a right and access to an abortion is not a right because they both require resources beyond the default. But whether or not it's a right is separate from whether or not it's a good thing for everyone to have. Unwanted children are not good for anyone so it seems obvious that it's probably good to give everyone access to what they need to prevent unwanted children (at least cheap versions of contraception because the vast majority agree it's not murder and it's such a small burden on the taxpayers). It's not like we're at a shortage of humans.

But contraception isn't the same thing as abortion, is it? Otherwise, you do have a point.

Contraceptives are means to prevent ovulation: condoms, 2nd-day-pills etc. Access to contraception should be a right if it isn't in any region of the world. It's to prevent many psychological and financial crises that might erupt within families. Imagine being sexually active and it being illegal (or not tolerated) in some form to not have a child every time. As long as you are active for let's say a decade, you're likely to have a big big family, which you might not always afford to care for.

And that has everything to do with religion. So basically, his conclusion is wrong.

people say family planning, what they mean is devoid societies from babies and future population decline.

*Mormons start to sweat*

*amish start to shiver*

And muslim women and men?

@PikPobedy The average lifespan is increasing. Medicine is getting better, people are living longer. The lifespan expectancy is only going to keep going up.

Super Catman not significant enough. Life span is only increasing by a matter of months.

Why he dead?

@@doketong5161 He said it himself, old people die.

@@doketong5161 pancreatic cancer

Murdering children in the womb...is that birth control? The founder of planned Parenthood was a full blown racist. Read why she promoted abortion.

@@Harrytritt1 we have of those who force religion on people and act like they know science lol

@@Harrytritt1 birth control and abortion are two completely separate entities. Birth control uses hormones to disrupt a woman's menstrual cycle in order for her not to be fertile, thus unable to have her egg fertilised by a sperm. Abortion is removing a fertilised egg/embryo. I wish the same level of education was given to every human!

Depends on religion. Baptists? Pretty likely. Catholic church? They made their own version that they endorse called natural family planning, using timed abstinence instead of birth control. LA Christian? They'll give out free condoms after church. Can't be so simplistic about this as if all religions are the same, cause they're all over the spectrum on these issues.

I mean it’s mostly getting rid of elderly population, so it’ll just be a higher shock factor when the population jumps...