CAPS LOCK IS USED TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION 1) Use the code TREE for 40% off World Anvil with the link worldanvil.com/?c=mltt Or else try it out for free!! 2) Hope you enjoyed this. As I say, it's build up to me working on a few more character analysis videos again, so stick around for them. I did intend to talk a little bit more about the scene this leads into: Tyrion with Shae. Because having Tyrion coming out of this so rattled massively informs that scene. Shae is a little shocked at him there. He asks her to promise that she is his and he is her and...her feelings are very, very ambiguous. I liked that about her characterisation...initially. You just didn't know whether or not she truly cared for Tyrion and that created a lot of intrigue until the later realisation.
It's almost as if he was talking to the audience about the show's ending :)) Cause, you know, ashes and all, right when you were excited to see how it ends :))
Great how you break down not only the characters, but the acting and editing as well. I don’t often notice those things, but one can definitely feel it!
Yup, people who say Season 5 and 6 were "great" misremember just when it actually started to spiral down. Are S5 and S6 still good as far as normal television goes? Sure. But not even close to the first 4 seasons. (specifically 3 and 4.)
@@lockekappa500hey're still decent but when you realise where they are going with the plot lines it makes those seasons pointless, not to mention the whole Arya training and dorne plotlines the 2 worste plotlines of the show with Arya having the worste case of plot armour in the show in season 6, it's just that season 6 ep 9 and 10 are still very good compared to the rest of the season so people forget about all of it
@@mylittlethoughttree I know, I just mean that you can tell how the writing and dialogue was good up til season 6 started when they went past the books
@@mylittlethoughttree Wait you mean from the books? The scene with Cersei and Robert where they wonder if they ever had a moment? I feel like the creators got a lot from the books but at the same time a lot of the seasons had some memorable gems in the show that weren't in the books. But the spiral is there all the same and it absolutely sucks. :/ LOVE YOUR CHANNEL BY THE WAY
I think that by these videos, I further understand why season 4 was the best, and coincidentally the last good season. We are used, throughout the first 3 seasons, to impeccably engaging dialogue and subtle tension, the overt action scenes that we got to see up to that point were not the strong point of the show ( with a few glorious exceptions to be sure), we had come to accept that. It was in fact what made the show special even, to a tiny extent, kind of niche. And then comes season 4, it perfectly retained the dialogue and subtle tension aspect but also stepped up the over action scenes, delivered some brutally beautiful scenes, artistic, a feat that might be owed to the increased budget at that point but also cannot be accomplished by mere CGI and a big budget alone, there was love and care that went in these scenes it tied perfectly to the aesthetic of the previous seasons and did a great job to represent ASOIAF's writing also in my opinion. But the latter seasons, from 5 on, having accumulated even more budget put in a shit load of CGI and some infantile writing, it did not workout.
While in the show it was Cersei who had Set Mandon Moore attempt to kill Tyrion during the battle it actually makes little sense and we never once had Cersei referenced the attempt in her very own thoughts which is quite strange. It was most likely littlefinger who attempted to have Tyrion killed and Mandon Moore is probably his man. It was Jon Arryn who recommended Ser Mandon but at the same time we know he didn't even really like Ser Mandon meaning it was probably lysa who recommended him to Jon which really means that it was littlefinger who had him appointed a white cloak. Why would Cersei have her only real defense from Stannis Murdered? As much as she hates him she values herself to much to possibly jeopardize her and her children's safety.
"remember when GAME OF THRONES had really good writing?" Yeah, I remember when it was good, only because the writers had the book writing the screenplay for them. And it all turned to shit when they had nothing left to do their work for them. :D
I also think they got burned out and stubbornly refused to bring in other writers to help, but yes indeed. The best scenes are often the ones that copy and pasted book dialogue
@@mylittlethoughttree They wrote some decent stuff the first 3-4 seasons, though not as good as the books. But in retrospect there really was not much depth to their writing. Most of it was just characters being witty and sarcastic, which they were decent at, but very one-note, which later seasons really suffered from. Their ability to write emotional depth seems pretty limited, though the actors did their best to elevate it. I often got the impression from their writing that they were trying to "show off" how clever they are, and when they were trying to be subtle it was often very obvious. They also seem to struggle with writing intelligent characters, which is a bit ironic given how they were praised as geniuses early on. They seem to confuse being witty with being smart. They would make characters distrust and dislike each other for no reason in order to create conflict and have them make really bad decisions in order to drive the plot forward, then make them witty to try covering it up. It really bugs me that they cut out GRRM after season 4 or 5, I'd have waited another year or two for TWOW if he was more heavily involved the last seasons. I wonder if maybe they didn't take some of the criticism from him too well
@@avon8794 Yeah, I'd probably agree with that. I'd be slightly fairer and say they could write good dialogue PROVIDED the emotional beats of the story and the arc for each character was already fleshed out. They could find dialogue to fit into that neatly...once it got to fleshing out new emotional beats, new plots, new character arcs, they were clueless. I agree about witty and smart as well. They also sold off a lot of emotion and tension in place of humour. Which isn't necessarily a criticism. Comedy can be the hardest thing of all to write...or it can be cheap jokes to paper over a lack of narrative tension Interesting point about TWOW as well, I'd never considered that
@@mylittlethoughttree I'd say the dialog itself wasn't bad, probably above average for an American TV show, but not near the level of shows like Sopranos/The Wire. GRRM wrote simple dialogue most of the time, which felt natural for the characters, but he could elevate it to a level D&D didn't have. My main issue with the dialogue itself is that it lacks variation, they weren't good at adapting it to each character with different personalities. I suspect they're not that great at mentalizing characters too different from themselves. They didn't always get the characters either. The dialogue between Jamie and Ned in S1 for example, it was written well enough, but Jamie would never have said "it felt like justice" about killing Aerys. They could have made that into a much more interesting conversation about being honorable vs doing what is right, foreshadowing future reveals.
Am just reading clash again.. building up there. It's a surprise this masterfull scene is only your 10th favorite. Didnt expected that from the intro. I'll be waiting for the rest
Shae actually. I don’t get the change they made to her. They tried to make her more complex, but they made her very inconsistent. I don’t understand why George like her version. I think he was just charmed by her actress performance, understandable she was good. But her writing is all over the place.
Please go through your top 10 favorite GoT scenes!! While I hate the ending like most people I do love the show otherwise plus psychology !! Please! Great video!
Okay, all the comments are great mentioning other scenes similar to this , where two characters are interacting in such an amazing way and like he said theres beeb build up to this, and there is more context that makes it even better like the prophecy. Other scenes ive seen people mention is veserys and ned in the dungeon. Great scenes. But i wanna talk about a scene that i really didnt like, its when the team go to get a walker from the north and they are all chatting, like jon and mormont, and Gandrey and the priest... I felt like it added nothing and was so so boring to watch, i felt like ir eas so unnecessary... I think they could have just done a LOTR travel timelasp until theh found the walkers.
@@RizztrainingOrder Fair enough, but there is plenty that is show-only that is good - at least through S4 (just not the S4 finale where they ruined Tyrion, Tywin, & Jaime).
No worries, I’m actually partly in agreement w/ u. There certainly are gems that the show runners and assistants (forgot their names) or whoever they were that helped them write scenes exclusively for the show, e.g. being the focus on Rob’s pov honing his character, which is much more infinitely interesting than his story only told through 🐈.
To be honest, not necessarily. I don't mind it not being Jon, and might've even accepted it as Arya, if it had actually meant anything in terms of her character arc, that's the bit that lets me down. Game of thrones was a great show that did 100% gradually get worse and worse, for a lot of reasons. Whilst it can be fun to make jokes about the obvious things people didn't like, there were deeper character issues at the heart that went wrong: they are what really bothered me but I'm never going to hate the show. There are aspects I enjoyed of season 8 and I don't think we should ever overlook either the positives or negatives, it's more complicated than that
