Removing ethanol from gas 

What food coloring are you talking about?

​@@whatthe2458any old food coloring will work.

​@@M70ACARRY How many months/ years out of date? What about new food coloring?

What you say is true and I previously thought that it was essentially "watering down" gas for no good reason. However, I learned that ethanol acts as an octane booster by oxygenating gas. Tetra-ethyl Lead was previous octane booster. When that was banned by EPA it was replaced with either MBTE or Ethanol as the primary octane boosters. MBTE is a known carcinogen and also pollutes the air. MBTE is being phased out, especially in places with smog issues. That leaves only ethanol which for all it's obvious problems with phase separation and lower btu's than gas, is apparently the best available alternative as an octane booster. That said, Brazil who pioneered ethanol as additive to gasoline gets from the waste of sugarcane in sugar production. This makes far more sense than using corn. The sugarcane waste has to be disposed of so making it into ethanol is a win - win. It does cost less than gasoline. Using corn takes so much energy to grow, harvest, and refine that it costs more than the gas it's replacing.

So why don't they make newer engines that can withstand ethanol?

You're right about the "farm lobby" likening the usage of ethanal from corn. It's a big boost to their bottom line. However you need to understand that in the farming business capitalism doesn't exactly work as it does in other industries. If the farmers stopped growing corn for ethanal and sold it for food, the price of corn will crash since there would be too much corn in the market. Even if they switched to other crops they would experience similar results due to over abundance of that crop. Farm prices have to be somewhat stabilized in order to maintain a certain level of profitability for the farmer to remain in business. Farming, unlike other industries are at the mercy of mother nature, and human nature. Seeing that crops take time to mature, farmers can not just start and stop production of a crop when the he/she sees a change in demand. He/she is stuck with the crop he/she planted months ago regardless of the demand or lack of demand in the future.

its a joke we will never run out oil or gas. the scientist where paid off to say that so they control the prices.

@@stevejames3292 Sorry man but even in brazil the fuckers water down our gas with ethanol at a 27% rate

Glad I could help

You are right. All hydrocarbons are nonpolar and hydrophobic, so octane molecules would not be removed from the gasoline into the water.

Henry Ford actually designed his first cars to run on corn alcohol.

And also WHISKEY...lol

@@fastcarshotbikes Weren't they running cars off of moonshine during prohibition in the 1920's?

What mpg do you get?

It also pollutes more... I don't know what these environmentalists are smoking, but it obviously isn't pot.

Or maybe not drunk enough!

I'm a small engine mechanic. We switched to non ethanol fuel at the shop about 8 years ago fue to the amount of carb issues. We'd fix it and stuff would come back gummed up. Everyone gets a machine back with non ethanol and highly advise it for anything that's sits for 3 weeks or more

+break break thanks for the info. Since the video I've learnec that most octane boosters are.....alcohol aka ethanol

Mix a little bit of race gas (don't need very much at all) and the octane comes way back up! Also, start with high octane fuel. ;)

Simple fix use premium gas to make up for the difference starting with 93 octane instead of 87 thats 6 points if the 87 drops to 83 thats 4 points if the 93 drops 4 points you will have 89 octane better yet how about we petition our legislatures in our states to take ethanol out. Its a scam. All that land could be used to grow edible crops and bring food prices down. Food prices in sept 2022 years after this video was made have skyrockets. Gasoline has skyrocketed. Also ethanol free gas gives cars 5% more mpg. We will use less gas our engines on our cars and all our small engines will last longer we will have cheaper food its a win win for everyone except the crooked politicians

1947 Willys, will starting with 93 octane keep the finished product at 87 or above? Im using it for a 2 stroke. Thanks

@@KimballCody gotta be careful, most "octane boosters" on the market are just methanol or other alcohol additives.

+Duke Makedo very interesting...thanks

charter planes also have a water drain off in the fuel tanks from the wings on cessnas

@@wharris7594 I remember draining the water from the King Air and Cheyenne in my dad's hangar as a kid.

It destroys plastic fuel lines on 2 stroke engines and diaphragms on all small engines

What do you expect. If they would stop voting guys like governors who are moon beam children.

I had to replace the fuel pump to the tune of $400!

Ill have to try that. What about the drop in octane?

@@KimballCody I have not seen any difference in my usage I just start with 91 from the pump and it works very good for me.

@@KimballCody Octane is only an issue in high compression engines.

Gun lover, is the gas now colored because of the two-stroke oil and the water is clear? Rather than adding food coloring to the water which would look opposite

the ethanol in gas will stay mixed. it separates because water and gas wont mix and ethanol loves water so it binds to it. and because the water wont mix with gas the ethanol is separated in the water medium.

siphon all of the gas out of the fuel tank then add non ethanol gas and should work

I've read that is goes down about 3 points. So start with premium gas if you want to run it in something that requires regular. Or just use it in lawn equipment.

I can get non ethanol 93 octane gasoline at the local boat launch. It's about 75 cents a gallon more than regular gas.

We can remove the Catalytic converter for vehicles used off road.

About 3-4 Ron points loss

you can see the layers without food color

+randy beard truth!

So,,, how much "fuel" do these dumb shits burn to distill alcohol? How is that saving the planet?

So ,YES, while it requires heat to distill ethanol, and its less energy dense than gasoline but still the fact is ethanol is cheap to produce, creates near zero toxic waste, burns cleaner, IS produced from renewable base, ie corn which you turn to mash ,then it produces ethanol, THEN the leftovers can be fed to cattle for food , THEN the waste from their would/could be used for fertilizer of corn,,,,,! One of the coolest books I found, at a yard sale even, was about distilling your own ethanol fuels, and how to adjust for burning it. Now you forget the ethanol fuel still has a motor fuel tax thus making it good for government too. See the ethanol debate has raged since Rockefeller made gasoline an everyday product. Ethanol used to be a viable fuel product till petroleum became cheaper and easier to distill into gasoline and other useful products.

Diesel to plant the corn, diesel to irrigate the corn, diesel to spray the corn, diesel to harvest the corn, diesel to haul the corn, propane to distill the corn...but then...CLEAN FUEL!

Weelllll, let's put the information out, ethanol produced from feed grade corn contitutes about 40% of the total of products that are produced, now let's also point out several other products are also produced, the co2 is captured for carbonization, there are other things that come from the pre-prep of the corn, but lats also point out that the end byproduct left over is distillers dried grains or wet cattle feed, appropriate protien content around 26%. Thus making useful to control weight gain in cattle. Now when all the wrangling to get us to 2005 approximately same week as Katrina, the mandated removal of MTBE was going in effect, the gulf coast refineries we're supposed to supply the Lions share of fuel as other refineries and blending stations converted and got all the bugs worked out of systems. The EPA was balking at allowing a 3 month temporary pause, and Bush had to force them to let the other places supplying make gradual switch over. This plus having to move large amounts of ethanol during Katrina aftermath thus one reason gasoline went up as well as storm issues. E10 has gotten huge black eye yet I personally haven't had as much trouble as others and in 05 I was driving my 78 C10 with Holley Carb and had zero issues. Haven't had many if any over years. Tuning has never been a problem. E85 is very cool BUT fools in EPA relaxed quantity rules. Used to be minimum ethanol content was to be E70, now it's minimum is E51. The thing is E85 is rated 105 octane, E70 drops it down to around 100 or less. But honestly if car companies had jumped at using flex fuel tech in performance cars, think of the possibilities and power potential also. And actually many distilleries use natural gas over propane. There are little to no byproducts that can't be used, and none are poisonous. Also MTBE IS poisonous and and industrial waste byproduct. If spilled it can pollute ground water and kill vegetation and indigenous life forms. Ethanol mixed with water, may stunt plant life unless it's pure then it may kill. But if a large amount enters water it simply dilutes, and won't kill most humans. The use and purpose of ethanol blended fuel was to eleviate specific automotive emissions. The issue now is the only true benefit is it's renewable base product. Also allowing farmers to still farm for profit rather than government waste money having farm land idled. Now the issue I have with doing what this guy does, is he is messing with chemistry that actual fuel blending specialist have spent millions developing. Odd how people keep trying to change things they don't have full knowledge about and never think about the damage they might do. Can you add something to keep ethanol from damaging, possibly.

one guy got 10% plus the water he added

well it would say on the pump but it is mostly 10 to 15% ethanol

How? The stochometry is the same. Some ethanol might be left over in the gas but this can be removed by doing a second or third washing with salt water.

I see: since ethanol and water are 100% miscible it must form a solution where one molecule forms vander waals force type bonds between molecules holding them closer together then the pure substance. Water is denser then it should be because the H and O atoms form hydrogen bond between molecules. These bonds are different then the covalent hydrogen bonds that hold together the H2o molecules. Water should be a gas at STP like methane.

Stoichiometry measures these quantitative relationships, and is used to determine the amount of products/reactants that are produced/needed in a given reaction. Describing the quantitative relationships among substances as they participate in chemical reactions is known as reaction stoichiometry. Stoichiometry - Wikipedia

+mike dee that's what i use now.

+joeclary1 needed on the water

Buy some AVGAS at the airport to run in your boat motors! You'll never go back!

If you believe that and wanty to confirm build or buy a ethanol tester and test a octane booster for ethanol. But your wrong in assumption or I can say with Lucas octane booster ( red tube ) your wrong.

Never leave any fuel in your tank and float bowl. Drain them and leave open to thoroughly dry. You will be glad next season.

+fixedgearforlife let me know how it turns out

KimballCody My friend, you seem to have opened the political Pandora s Box.

When it loads into the transport truck the older systems show "sub octane 84" on the screen. It is low octane. IIRC even the premium is sub octane gas too.

Same here, and a $400 fuel pump on a car

They are widely known for just that!

+Element of Kindness I'll do it.

Great! Look forward to that! (also be sure to show that the gas/ethanol blend doesn't have a separation layer of it's own before adding it to the water)

I think you're going to remain skeptical, as water + ethanol take up less volume together than in separate containers. (i.e. 50ml water + 50ml ethanol = 90ml mix) this isn't the correct reduction but it has to do with molecular packing. So by adding water to gas, if he extracts 100% of the ethanol it *should* actually go up still, but less than you would expect. Be sure to look up the dissolution of ethanol and water to see by how much they pack into each other...

If you really want to know how effective it was (roughly) then save all the water/eth that separated, and add salt to it (non iodized salt) until the salt stops dissolving. Then you will have two layers in your glass, one salt water and one ethanol (up to azeotropic) So then you can measure how much of each came back out of the gas. Just remember that you wont be able to get an exact figure for the ethanol because it will still hold that last few % of water unless you distill it off or use molecular sieves etc. I'd love to know your results.

@@christopherhurley2570 I think you can probably figure out what it should be. You are going to have to assume that the only thing in the gas that will fall out is the ethanol. If there are any other alcohols in the gas they may fall out as well. I think MTBE is water miscible as well. 30 years ago I used to work as an analytic chemist and I remember that we would test wells (or aquifers) near old leaking gas tanks. Back then there was no ethanol in the fuels but there was a lot organic compounds in the water. I would make my standards with gas and water. Now we are only talking about 10ppm of gas (which is a tiny amount). Though, I remember getting huge MTBE spikes and sometimes other compounds in samples. MTBE's solubility is 42g/L in water.

Blackaboe - he probably did, but got less water drained so he ended up with waterlogged gas! Very good for a car. Yeah right....

@@ShelliLoop mix it with some molecular sieve 3A for a day to dehydrate it. I'm going to try this myself.

+Dennis W I throw it with my waste motor oil and recycle it

+Stuart Cookie lol

+outwhitu08 you're welcome

I have yet to find any scientific proof that ethanol fuel damages engines or their fuel systems. idk why people bash on ethanol so bad. The only thing bad about ethanol is that it has less BTUs so it does get worse gas mileage, but ethanol fuel is cheap enough to make up the difference. Especially if you are comparing similar octane ratings.

You haven't talked to any mechanics at motorcycle dealerships or small engine repair places then. I've had blowers, weed whackers and a chain saw ruined by ethanol laced fuel. Ethanol only stays stable in fuel injected vehicles which have closed fuel systems.

I have personally rebuilt a carb on a riding lawn mower, and inside the carburetor bowl was a thick layer of gross green "Algae". Or whatever it was. It was green and slimy and didnt dissolve with spirits. I talked to an Old Man (wealth of knowledge) at work about it, and he said it was "the Shit that grows in ethanol". That stuff was in all the ports. I also had an F150 that was rarely driven due to the 12 MPG when gas got up to $5, it sat for about a year and the bottom of the gas tank rotted out. It was a mid 90's truck, but not so old i would expect anything like that to happen.

juck huo I agree, ethanol gets a bad rap

fragwits I agree, from my experience in the fuel business with ethanol.

Let me know how it works

@@KimballCody It worked with some tweaking. Even after a few flushes with RO water the fuel was still hazy. My guess is due to emulsifiers/detergents added to the fuel to help stabilize the ethanol in the gas. My workaround was to use a lot of salt and make a saline solution which deactivates the detergents. This allowed for the layers to separate fairly quickly. It still works without a saline solution, but I had to wait all night for everything to settle out and decant the gas off the top

I would assume it would. But I'm not sure

You are so right! The ethanol garbage has been forced on us like we were second class citizens. We had zero say about it. I am so utterly disgusted with the climate cultists and the corrupt degenerate democrats. I pray they are kicked out in November. God Bless!

Toss it in with the waste oil

You will loose about 10 Percent of the fuel or about 12.8 Ounces per gallon.

At 20 dollars a gallon it should be good, lol.

I use VP C-12 in my Husaberg 570 and it performs outstanding! I buy the 5 gallon pail in Phoenix for about 75.00 and I keep the steel can for storing treated pump gas.

Any near chicago

funny because that state is big on corn farming to have non ethanol gas

+kedwa30 I'll try to complicate the next video for you

Obviously this guy is a state government worker, exactly how they think, lol they need more people like this involved in education

bob miller, really? take it for what it’s worth and run with it and make it work. please post your perfect video. i myself found this to be an informative experiment that allowed me to open my mind and try something new.

October 2022 Canada completely eliminated all non ethanol stations and I always ran premium non Ethanol in my small engines. Now I just need to fire out how to siphon off from the 24ltr glass carboy I got from a wine making shop as it didn’t come with a sealed top.

Yes if you want to pay a good amount more per gallon of gas.

+Bradford Ramsden i agree

I had a 2005 Ford Taurus that would burn E-85 and every time I filled the tank with E85 I would lose 3 MPG. Your millage loss with E10 would be less than that. Putting this crap in our gas is costing us in millage as well as in maintenance costs.

Bradford Ramsden it's usually more like 40% more. 3.75 vs 2.00 For fuel ant my local marina. Marinas usually have real gas for the two-smokers

Yep...

Bradford Ramsden sorry homie, that's false. I've tested it extensively and found less than 5% difference in mpg over a 4 fill up test cycle. It's not worth the $0.80-$1 per gallon price difference i see locally. Unfortunately ethanol is horrible for older vehicles mechanically.

Goes to the same place as my waste oil

+Z06Doug the corn industry and epa is more powerful

Big Changes to the EPA happening under President Trump now so time will tell.

There's simply not enough demand for it..a simple numbers problem. The 'invisible hand' bitch slaps again

There are gas stations that sell ethanol-free gas. It is usually about 50-70 cents per gallon more. Sometimes called "marine fuel"

Because classic cars are outnumbered by modern cars,and who drives a classic car for every day transportation? I actually do,but most dont.They good old days are not coming back.

in cali you cant buy it from marine without ethanol, i try already.

Dispose of it with waste oil

In this video, you remove ethanol from fuel and gasoline will stay behind.

How about buying ethanol free gas instead?

@Martin Hamilton: You'd go blind or even die from it. The ethanol is 'spiked' with methanol, which is toxic. They do that because of alcohol excise duty laws.

Isn't wood based alcohol METHANOL?

No tyvek05, ethanol is ethanol no matter how it is made. What makes ethanol in gas poisonous is the methanol that is added, plus you would have residual gasoline left too, you can't get 100% separation.

VIsubby not to mention the sulfuric acid, Ammonia and sodium hydroxide. Just to name a few. If it goes through a couple more columns in distillation it could probably be consumed. But it's made to be burned. Besides before it is legal to be transported, it is mixed with a very crappy grade of refined product of fuel. No good for your liver

+Joe Tabor follow the money..... Right in the pockets of big corn

It's image and posturing. Oh, and money. Ethanol uses more petroleum in its production than it saves. It also has less chemical energy, so you get less MPG. It's all a clown show.

Never go by the computer. You need to calculate it when you fill up to get an accurate measurement.

I bought a used MB wagon 10 years ago. When driving in GA and Florida, without ethanol, I got 10% better mileage without ethanol than with ethanol. For skeptics that was both by computer and by miles per gallon by tank.

+Michael S yes

+TIMOTHY WRENN will do

The Sunoco gas station about 10 miles away selling ethanol free gas cost $10 per gallon.

@@kubelwagen516 That's too bad, the one I use is only maybe 20 to 30 cents more.

@@Greg29 the one nearest me is in Horsham Pa, where is yours location?

@@kubelwagen516 Allentown PA, on Airport Rd, just across from the airport.

@@Greg29 that's amazing, you are actually in my area, I'm glad i asked you, i will definitely buy some 5 gallon gas tank and hauling those gasoline back, hope they don't have the limit on quantity purchase, thanks a million mate.

+Bob Von Bruns with my waste oil

Despose it with waste oil

stickloaf Heavy water would behave no differently than regular water in this case

Natty Daddy That would be nice, but here in NM, ethanol free gas is hard to find. I was just on a motorcycle trip and I could find ethanol free gas just about everywhere in the Midwest.

velvet- that is kind of ironic since the Midwest is where the ethanol comes from.

Kirk Johnson Yes, it make no sense to me. It was usually the premium grade only that was ethanol free. That worked for me since that it what my bike calls for. Fuel mileage was definitely better.

Jef Rey every station near me has it $20 a gallon #novaseline

Buying ethanol free fuel pre-made runs 7 to 10 dollars a gallon. Buy premium & a few gas containers, plus some clear water jugs, one syphon & away you go. Ethanol SUCKS!

+Frank Gutowski yes

Only if you sell it, you don't need a permit to make alcohol

If you are making it for a motor fuel. If you are making it to drink then it is moonshine.

It's exactly the same (except for the gasoline).

tyvek05 yes it is... Ethanol, Ethyl Alcohol, Grain Alcohol are different names for the same exact thing. It's the alcohol that's in ALL alcoholic beverages. I'm a chemist by the way.

I am getting a headache remembering the senior class trip for spring break, 1978, We downed a bit of PGA/Everclear.. that hangover lasted a while.

I recycled it with my old engine oil

+Link D'Antoni thanks

Link D'Antoni u

I don't know if it's true but I've heard adding diesel fuel to gas will increase the octane. The diesel fuel makes the gas less volatile and is supposed to prevent the explosion prior to the spark plug lighting it. I thought this video was about making alcohol free gas for a 2 cycle chain saw. The 2 cycle oil should raise the octane the same way diesel fuel does. Do any of you think that would work?

Adding diesel to gasoline does not increase the octane. Diesel has no octane value and will, however, decrease the octane. It does change the distillation mid-point. It's all a calculation. If you add diesel use 0 (zero) as the octane portion.

OK Link. Do you think diesel fuel would stop the pre-ignition of the fuel charge? After I posted the above comment I continued reading comments and saw some one else stated to put 1 ounce of diesel fuel in a gallon of gas so I'm not the only one to have heard of this. It does make sense to me that it should work. I was told to put a gallon in with 20 gallons. If I had a carbureted car I'd try it.

Buy a gallon of alcohol that would be used in a marine stove.