Glad you explained how you came into the business. Hat's off to the company who saw in you your interest and have brought you along. We have a tremendous shortage of skilled workers in every technical field today. I personally know of a system integrator who started out "hanging around" a particular shop. The guys there took an interest in HIS interest and he followed the same path it looks like you are on: Volunteer to part time to full time and then up the ladder. I wish you and the people who are mentoring you the very best.
@@nics-systems-electric this is better than my schools Edwards EST system which is junk but even though Edwards EST is junk it has worked surprisingly well in my school.
3:43 my dad worked on all sorts of building construction, and in this case he would’ve forced it off (but only pulling it a slight distance) but he would’ve given it a good tug. It won’t take off the paint around it, at most it might take off a small chip that’ll end up being covered by the new device. Or at least when he did things like that, he did it with no damage because he had a lot of experience under his belt 😂
That would not be a good idea to just rip it off you would rip a bunch of paint off the proper way is to do what I did and cut the paint where it is pointed to the plastic around the device
@@nics-systems-electric there’s a technique to it. Then again, my dad did work for almost 30 years. There’s a certain way you gotta do it to where it won’t remove the paint. But yes, there is a “proper” way (I realize it seems like I’m criticizing or making fun of you, that’s not my intent 😂)
Looks like it started out as a Simplex fire alarm system in the 1970s, but then in the 1980s or early 1990s the Edwards 6616 replaced whatever the old Simplex panel was (probably a 4207 or 4208), along with those Edwards heat sensors, and some of the Simplex bells got replaced with newer bells over time. And now everything comes out in favor of the Notifier NFS-320C. I'm reminded of how the Liberal Arts and Humanities buildings at my college recently went through such an upgrade. They were originally built in 1978 with Simplex 4207 fire alarm systems, with 4051+4050-80 horn/lights, 4255-1 and 4265 heat sensors and those same 4251-20 single-action pulls. Then in 2005 a Faraday MPC-7000 system was installed to cover both buildings, with Space Age Electronics VA4 horn/strobes, Faraday FireSmart smoke and heat detectors and addressable 8700-M "Chevron" pulls (that had dual-action adapter covers installed in 2008.) Then this summer both buildings each had their own Notifier system installed, probably an NFS-320 (an FDU-80 annunciator was installed in each building's entrance near the electrical rooms where the panels were installed), with those same System Sensor L-series horn/strobes, FSP-951 smoke detectors and NBG-12LX pulls. The rest of the college campus already mostly had Notifier systems installed, and so after being out of the loop for quite a while I am glad these two buildings finally hopped on the Notifier bandwagon!
One good practice I've found is adding labels to all the devices with their address. That way you can clearly identify which device it is in the future without having to open it. Helps when testing the system also
What the labels usually say is the SLC's loop number and device's address number and the type of device is which is Module or Detector. Here's what it all means: L#: SLC loop # M###: Module # Or D###: Detector # Example 1 (Module): L1M004. L1 is the SLC loop's number of the device that it's on, M004 is the Module's address on that SLC loop. Example 2 (Detector): L2D008. L2 is the SLC loop's number of the device that it's on, D008 is the Detector's address on that SLC loop. When adding the Module's label like "L1M100" it also has to be added to the outside of a pull station because inside an addressable pull station there's a mini monitor module built inside the pull station that monitors the pull station's contacts where the contacts are in an open state as the pull station is normal (LED light of the mini monitor module is blinking fast) and if it monitors the contacts in a closed state as the pull station is pulled then the monitor module will set off the fire alarm system (LED light of the mini monitor module is solid) and the monitor module will stay in that closed state when the pull station is reset but will go back to an open state when the system is reset with the pull station as well (LED light of the mini monitor module is blinking fast again). It could've been different as a pull station would be abbreviated as "P" which means the label could be "L2P060" but it's "M" to abbreviate Module as pull stations count as a Module on an addressable system because of the mini monitor module inside of it
16:42 Not everyone commented about this but I like how there's a STOP sign right underneath the pull station as it will STOP kids from pulling the fire alarm for fun!
Just as a side note, installers do not decide what volume setting to put the devices on. Your judgement of what is appropriate for the space is just as irrelevant as the selection of the devices themselves. I've been installing for four years and I have always been told that if a lower volume setting is required, it will be marked on the drawings. Elsewise, we do not touch the volume selector. I am glad you decided to revert that horn strobe back to high volume. If someone failed to hear that device for whatever reason, anything that happened to said individual would fall on you. Be cautious and know that the decisions you make can (and often do) impact the wellbeing and safety of others. On a much more positive note, the video is very well made and you are doing great work!
Now that I think of it the last two schools that were replaced We set them on low volume and in some of the schools I’ve turn down the volume where they’ve been louder than necessary I don’t think it should be done but it seems to be
At My old school, only some alarms where replaced at a time, like we had Spectraalert classics, system sensor mass’s, bg12s, 7001s, chevron pulls, bg-8s (some older style), and some probably Mechanical wheelock horns not on light or strobe plates installed at the same time, there was also a fire bell but idk if it still works or not. And only the Spectraalerts did code 3, the rest did continuous.
The way you slide the mounting base one way and then slide it the other way and then just tighten your screws and it's all done is really satisfying for sure
A library I went to had an old Simplex system with 4251-20s and Simplex 6 inch bells and 9101 strobe plates but the only difference was that the new system was not Notifier, it was a EST system with the new G4AVRF LEDs and EST SIGA-278 pull stations.
@@nics-systems-electric idk what is it called in the U.S, but I found a job where you install and test fire alarm systems. Iirc it is just a fire alarm technician, but it depends on what you do depending on who you work for
There was not any leftover but there was some left over heat detectors which were saved as spare parts and some of them when we did our verification did not work so we needed to get replaced I think I kept one or two of the functioning ones
Okay. I was just curious because I know in most places in Canada a verification has to be done by someone other than the installing contractor. An electrical contractor does the work and then a fire alarm company comes in after to verify it. Retrofits can sometimes be a grey area though.
@@The1025RChannel Yes I remember there was a certain way of verifying it legally as there was two parties basically the fire alarm company and the school district electricians who I was with
My school’s fire alarm system is due to be replaced because a lot of devices fault and the firesheild panel either keeps crashing or keeps breaking. Idk why but firesheilds tend to be bad but very common here in the east part of canada
20:09 Funny enough, I think us Canadian enthusiasts rately see them because its because you need FEDERAL GOVERNMENT APROVAL to install them here! That so fucking dumb!
When will this happen to my school 😭😭😭😭 we literally had bells for so many years and then final year on ONE FLOOR (for first year students) got an upgrade 💁♀️🤦
Duing my Seiner walk back in the day one of the FCI MS 2 they had in my Elementary school one of them was replaced with a Gamewell Pullstation which is similar to the Notifier BG12
2:40 what about running it for a few more seconds by activating with its power off? You gotta drain whatever power it has left, there could be some residual electrical charges 😭
@@nics-systems-electric that person is an "obsessed idiot" with est stuff he is in a bunch of comments sections telling people to throw away their firelite or notifier systems and get est systems he will get over it someday
@@nics-systems-electric also I forgot to mention that at my high school which has ceiling mount red spectralert advances on a notifier system kept going in alarm due to a malfunctioning smoke detector so they had to replace it, what usually happens to smoke detectors that causes the system to go in alarm?
Part two video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PUq6gVktcmg.html System verification video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rQIfY4L2Z50.html Fire alarm replacement project at another school ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tven4UwLFQw.htmlsi=qtXNseWeGOQDx4I1
@@nics-systems-electricwait in the video in the pull station packages I see a key for every pull station. Are they all different or does 1 key work for all
What a great and cool day!! It's so nice that you get the chance to do this!! What brand was the old panel? That was a addressable or conventional panel? Stay safe and have fun!! ...
because they where replacing everything for addressable devices but had mini mods and cheap system sensor heats in wet areas, as Pickle 700 said "These are the rules that I did not make,"
@@nics-systems-electric my high school kept the four FCI MS-2’s in the auditorium, even though the new system is a Simplex 4100U. But I agree, it doesn’t make sense
we have to run and use fire alarm wiring with the red outer jacket for all our devices the older systems used white wire labeled ul listed smoke alarm signal wiring on the outer jackets with positive and negative marked
when you said "the painters wont be happy about that" i am saying OFCORSE THEIR HAPPY The More Work The More MOOOOOLAHHHHHHH $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
creating unnecessary work for school district painters tends to piss them off. they already have enough to do over the summer etc. you start adding annoying touchups etc to their workload, its a good way to get on their bad side
@@nics-systems-electric Ok, So It's A Constant Trouble Issue, Ok That Makes Sense. That Could Be Really Problematic For The System To Stay In The Constant Intermitted Trouble, It Could Make The System Inoperable And That Would Be Really Bad.
Nothing wrong with the old wire here and it’s not like you can non-destructively Re-pull bx I suppose you could re-pull everything that is in pipe but wouldn’t be any point of it really
@@CJ9899 we’ll see not sure. I might have to get rid of some of the devices as I have too many now right now they’re still sitting in a cardboard box on the floor lol typically I’ve never sold anything as that would give away my location as where it’s coming from
@@ScantPear I am not sure it’s a very unique position that I am in I am the first one in my district to have ever done it it isn’t really a program or anything it was just knowing the right people and fighting with management to get it to be allowed it is not a paid thing
@@nics-systems-electric oh ok but a high school in my district is getting a new system and the old one has spectralerts and I really want the spectralerts badly…
What year did this school open? My first elementary school kept the pull stations in the same locations but used new wiring for the indicators. My 2nd elementary school and middle school re wired the new system to install
@@nics-systems-electric thank you. My 2nd elementary school opened in 65 and got upgraded to est integrity after expanding and eventually replaced them with the genesis. And hopefully my high school didn't keep the 1949 wiring when renovating in the late 90s.
Hello sir, do you ever replace old Simplex panels? I'm a collector who will be getting into the field as a career soon and I'm looking for a 4002, 4004, or 4005. I also collect used devices so if you ever have a few old horns or notification devices I would love to save them from the garbage. Preserving this old equipment is important to me as I build demo systems for every panel I have. I currently have a 4001 and a 4010. I'm also looking for an FCI 7100. Thanks for your great videos!
I only work in my school district so we only replaceable one system a year we only have two Simplex systems one is only five years old so it will be there for a while unless it keeps having issues the other simplex system is a little older being 1996 but isn’t the highest priority to get done so I unfortunately won’t be removing any Simplex systems for a while
@@nics-systems-electric I see, thank you for your reply. If that 1996 system ever gets replaced I'd be interested in the panel and a few devices. I love this old Simplex stuff. My email is in the about page if you ever wish to contact me. I am also interested in something like an FCI 7100 or a Notifier panel as I have a few addressable modules for those that I was given a few years ago.
Nah I wear gloves if it's rough work but just a fire alarm replacement isn't that crazy unless I'm in some sort of horrible place my hand was just messed up in this video because I crashed on an electric scooter doing like 45KPH
How come over that side of the pond heat detectors are so frequently used? Over here in the UK everything is smoke detection or multisensors. Surely by the time a heat detector goes off the damage will already be done?
Yeah you don’t see them much in new buildings just old ones where you would usually have sprinklers but if there’s not sprinklers you use heats in place of sprinklers as they both detect heat just one only activates a system one also put water out
@@nics-systems-electric ah interesting. Whenever a system gets upgraded over here the main change is usually detection. When they replaced the system at my school, they went from opticals in the corridors only to opticals and multis basically everywhere.
Yes but I don’t usually keep everything just stuff I want if I can save it in time usually I’m quick enough and get a box and put the stuff I want in it and just write on it Nic’s stuff
