Rescued! Can The All Electric Ford F-150 Lightning Fully Charge Another EV!? 

He no want get fired 😂

It's not that simple. It's the fact that it works between EVs. There's lots of software, charging systems and everything that need to work together to actually charge.

Look up some videos on charging EVs with portable generators and you'll learn why; Sometime inverters don't create a clean-enough sinewave to make the chargers happy, and other times the chargers complain about grounding issues. It's often not as simple as just "plug it in and it works".

Get a cheap power pack and plug your tv into it, you’ll learn not all power is the same. There is “true sine wave” and “modified sine wave” I’m sure Ford uses the true sine wave inverters but not all do, not all inverters are safe for all loads.

Ford did their homework. This is one of the things I love about American engineered products. Often products from other countries are designed to work in theory. When you try to use them they often fail. Ground loops often Prevent you from charging with a portable charger to Ev. Ford designed this truck to operate like a home outlet. I’m curious to see if the Hyundai products have the same capacity.

@@TheZeusJuice Its not usually due to "dirty" power, so much as the lack of neutral bonding. In typical household wiring, the ground and neutral are connected or "bonded". This "neutral bonding" is what EVSEs are looking for when plugged in. In the vast majority of generators and power stations, the neutral isn't bonded and so EV chargers almost always fault out and refuse to charge.

Why would you run out of charge though? The car gives you several warnings before that and when you navigate to the location it clearly shows at what state of charge you would arrive. So in reality people don't run out of charge.

Only if the "donor car" has a 240 inverter system like the Ford. Not all EVs can transfer power like the Lightning. I think the Kia EV6 has the ability to supply power, but not at the same level as the Ford. In that case you might need 1 hour to get enough charge to make it home...as well as making sure the donor car has enough charge to also get home after supplying charge to the dead car.

@@RysterARCEE The lightning is a game changer. Companies like Tesla Can no longer ignore the fact that people want to use these huge batteries on their cars to be back up for their homes or be able to run almost any Ac device. A car like the mini with a small bettey can most likely charge at 5 miles per hour on 120 volts. In under 2 hours you should have enough charge to make it to a public charger. The Lightning can do 35 miles in one hour with a 240 outlet.

@@drister007 WDYM? These damn useless EVs get stranded all the time because their owners are always trying to see how far they can take them past empty! /s

@@RysterARCEE -- Not all EVs *yet can transfer power like the lightning. In 20 years, who knows what will be standard with new EVs.

They're called dinosaurs. 🙄

While going downhill during the Ike gauntlet.

intresting, u haul dolly front wheels down? can it regen in reverse?

This would be awesome, but they probably would need a closed course for this.

Probably no lag in the Silverado EV.

@@smarticus6384 just the upfront lag of no Chevy truck ev for another year at least😂

I know right, for a 2022 vehicle, that's just sad

Exactly! So, whose going out to buy a F-150 Ecoboost with PowerPro to start an EV Resuce Service? Probably could get away with charging half the price of a tow and offer just enough energy to get the person to their nearest charging station or home. The closer of the 2 options would maximize profit.

I mean, I would even get a trailer to take the car to the nearest charger while charging it. Double whammy. Upsell. This could be a good little business.

@@markmeridian3360 I'm pretty sure it will get more than 2 miles per kWh if you drive at low speeds. That's a worse case highway speed number.

@@markmeridian3360 That's assuming who ever you called happens to have a filled gas can, not likely so add about 20 minutes to find the can and fill it and then a couple more to pour in the tank. Moral of the story, don't run out of gas.

@@markmeridian3360 i think the real moral of the story is to avoid ev's and all their problems all togeather.

@@FlameOnTheBeat funny part is, the number 1 roadside assistance rollout nationwide is for running out of gas. 😀 They also already have small portable pack's which can juice an ev up for 10-20+miles being sold today.

Great point about the value of a PHEV.

Perpetual motion!

Someone already connected a Lightning to itself to see what would happen. It registers as being charged and also charging something else, but of course it does nothing except result in a little bit of charging loss in the process. I'm sure the same thing would happen if two lightnings tried to charge each other.

F-350 diesel-electric PHEV no less, yes indeed.

Over 200k+ retail reservations in just 5 months of open reservations plus another rumored 50k+fleet&commercial reservations. Means ford doesn't need their help at all. If anything making more people want a lightning is gonna result in more people being mad they'll likely never get a lightning. Which is why Ford still hasn't re opened the reservations since closing them in Dec 2021. They can't get the battery supply to support the demand(sk innovation cells from a brand new commerce GA plant still ain't ramped and hasn't started the 2nd cell expansion plant. So unless they source cells from somewhere else and expand the new ev plant again? They ain't making more than 150k a year for this generation of the lightning. As the factory isn't capable of more than 150k right now despite expanding it twice already since 2021. But it sure is nice seeing what a nearly 6 figure 1st gen American made ev truck can do. I'm looking forward to the next gen ev ground up lightning from blue oval city in TN slated for 2025 release. Which farley claims another 75-100+miles of range and a very modern yet controversial style to it.👍🏻

Theyre already sold out

I'm sure there is an arrangement in place. lol

And conversion losses

He‘s Russian

almost certainly

Thats because theres losses in those batteries and out of the fords.

That's also becuase they charged the mini using a 240v/30A connector. Out of spec charged charged all 5 vehicles using 120v, which is less efficient. Even on the 240v connector in out of spec, they used a splitter, so that they could connect two cars on each 120v leg of the 240v connector.

thank you guys for enlightening me of the obvious! 🤔

FWIW, Hyundai/Kia has this feature with their Ioniq5 and EV6 vehicles.

It decided to give us another 50 feet of power once we rebooted! I assume intended to load on a tow truck

If you use the slow charger (115 Volt) you need no adapters, for 240 volt charging 1 adapter. Is one adapter "ridiculous" or is your comment ridiculous?

Agreed, as much as I hate regulations, they need to regulate all manufacturers to use the same Adapters/ports need to be in one of two places just like ICE vehicles. The charging network also needs to be one size fits all. This switch over is going to be a mess with how quick they are pushing it, let’s not complicate it.

The L14-30 plug on the truck is really common on 240V capable generators, that's why they're using it. The NEMA 14-50 plug that the ford charger uses is one of the most used for plugging in RV's and big appliances at home, and are fairly common out in the wild using the highest amp plug at 50 amps, so that's why it's often used on EV chargers. Tesla started that before DC fast charging was common as the next best solution. Everyone else followed suit. Unfortunately there's too many different plug types that have been out for a long time before EV's. Picking one is impossible. Not every appliance can use just one plug type. And unless you're going to wire up a dedicated EV charger, using existing outlets is kind of your only option. I agree it's not ideal, but EV chargers like the ones included with Teslas offer a wide array of plugs, no extra dongles needed most of the time. That Ford one has replaceable plug ends as well, but they don't seem to offer more than the included 2 right now. I like that I have the possibility to charge basically everywhere. I built my own adapter set to plug into many of those different locking type receptacles. I work on remote job sites at schools and being able to pull into the welding or woods classrooms using any one of their various 240V plugs is nice. A lot of woodworking machinery uses those locking plugs. Using an array of different plugs isn't really common, if your garage has a welding or RV plug, that's what you're going to stick to using, and likely leaving the charger plugged into the wall anyway.

@@heathwirt8919 It's an adapter to go from the mains to the vehicle. Then they needed another adapter to convert it to 240v.

@@Robert-cu9bm The charger is designed to work with 120 or 240 and has it's own adapter which is part of the package. The 240 volts is the actual output of the 240 volt outlet and an adapter was needed there to match the plugs. So only one additional adapter was required.

Yep. Fun stuff

It’ll be a business in the future.

Electric tow trucks.

More simple solution, just don't run out of charge... Never ran out of gas in one of my cars yet, this is no different.

@@spacebound1969 oh it’s different. Let’s put 2 chargers in your town vs 69 gas stations. Also, were hybrids broken?

I'll keep in mind not to buy a long-held EV from an EV channel -at market price.-

Interesting question. If possible, you could then use the Lightning as a giant UPS! It'd probably lose some efficiency, but might prove useful in certain emergency situations.

I was wondering the exact same thing!

Not sure about the Ford EVSE, but my aftermarket one lets me choose the charging rate. Also, looking up the specs, it seems the Mini's max charge rate for 240v is 7.4kw (aka 30amp).

@@TheZeusJuice That's a helpful data point, though if you were working with a 30amp receptacle you'd want to be pulling 24amps.

Ford's mobile EVSE is rated for 240v 30A max, where did you get the 50Amp?

@@Xyler94 Most EVSEs come with a 14-50 plug. Suggesting up to 50 (well 40) amps. You make a good point though. I think Tesla is mas 32 amps. If the Ford one maxes at 30 amps. It would still exceed 24 amps right? Generaly a circuit safe for 80% of the rated load. I've since learned that the Lightning comes with a L14-30 to 14-50 adapter and perhaps the truck itself can handle the over load. Clearly it does, just trying to figure out the "why".

@@russellhogg the Ford Pro Power can supply 7200w of power on 240v, which is 240v 30A. Continuous too. A household circuit has to be that, but generators are rated differently than household sockets.

~5%

Ford's pro-power onboard is properly grounded, so there's no need for a grounding plug. You would need it on a generator that isn't grounded properly yes

@@Xyler94 thanks!

No

Depends if it's downhill.

@@Robert-cu9bm It isn't.

In rough numbers, the Lightning lost about 81 miles and the Mini gained about 114 miles, assuming the Lightning had the larger pack (which I think it does).

The lighting is fully electric

@@Victor-vj5ds you're right. I guess my question would pertain to the hybrid charging then. So, begs the question. Next charging test done on the hybrid to see how much fuel it'll take to fully charge the Cooper???