Resident Evil 4 Remake Speedruns have a PROBLEM 

"Leon, you look like a dog trying to scratch its ass on the coffee table. Come one, let's just go do the wrecking ball part already. We'll skip the last bit with heavy grenades, I promise."

This comment eerily echoes my thought process while I attempted to skip chapter 14 for the first time ever, not knowing it had been patched out mere hours earlier. PS5 btw

No wonder I couldn't do it...I was thinking I sucked at it... I'm mad they patched it.

@@OG_McLovin "but I used the last resources on flash grenades!"

This little section is a trip! 😂😂😂😂

Lmfao😂

Good one😂

Yeah, i was thinking, why would they fix this glitch, if they admired and honoured Ditman glitch as a charm. But then Waifu brought up that it's not always the developers' decision to fix something, and now it makes sense. At least i hope that what's happened.

Sometimes you get spaghetti code fixes and bugs yes, but this is intentionally in the patch notes. This was almost certainly a targeted fix.

@@belchicola Yeah it's actually in the patch notes. Clipping into areas when using a scope.

You ain't a devoloper of anything significant kid quit embarrassing yourself. Devolopers show "their" games on "their" yt channels" Just cause you bought a few unity assets and made a free cell phone game that has 1 download doesn't mean you're a developer lmao

Very good point, but yeah unfortunately this was targeted.

It said it was specifically in the patch notes as a glitch fix 39 seconds into the video.

ikr? Categories like NMG exists for years, yet people are coming in bashing those that want to keep the non-disrupting glitches. I dunno what's going on in their lives, but this mocking people that liked those glitches simply ain't it.

there are a surprising amount of dimwits (can't think of a nicer word for them) who are fundamentally misunderstanding the concept of speedrunning. They're the people that make comments like "speedrunning is so dum. Why do u think it hard to beat game in unintended way? glitches are EZ. No skill"

Yeah there’s a lot of idiots with the whole “get skill” in a SPEEDRUNNING channel lmao

@@idontwantahandlethough my favorite is people who completely ignore the fact that skipping huge sections of a game can cause the player to be in a disadvantage in later parts of the games from lacking resources or abilities they would have had and now have to Compensate for said disadvantage.

Let me be honest with you guys, I prefer playing the game without doing Intentional Glitch rather than accidental glitch which found by some random luck. If players keep abusing the glitches just for easy play, what is the point to play the game normally??? Its just ruin the core of game itself and I really dont like it at all. Scope glitches are the most broken thing in this game and you literally cheesing the game without even trying to beat the dungeon with different strategies, try to beat the game without doing scope glitches and you will feel hard to play because you get used to play easy while not trying to play it normally. Dont get me wrong, some glitches that kept for entertainment (single player) were fine, but doing it on online games is straight jab to the face and it just make people upset. I always playing games on glitchless run because I know that sooner or later abusing glicthes will get fixed and you get forced to play without that.

Exactly! I always try to!

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that's so true glitches and skips weren't the only thing i took away from watching RE4R speedruns, things such as when to upgrade and what're the most optimal guns to use and what route to take have been so helpful to me.

It'll never be mainstream to click a button and skip 99% of a games content and call it a "speedrun". Playing ocarina of time, doing the first dungeon, glitching to Ganon and ending the game is the opposite of what people consider "skilled" or "cool"

@@Fishbro Did you even read the comment? Lmao

Honestly, Striker charm was probably a work done by a passionate employee who loves their job, while patching everything into ground was a decision made by some boss man at Capcom. I highly doubt that Capcom at any executive level know anyhitng about original barring the most basic thing.

The door glitch felt like something they prob were planning to patch for a while, obviously they couldn't do that in a GameCube game

1 is intended other is not simple logic

@@RealCGH Capcom has ported RE4 to like 10 different platforms, and has never once patched out the Ditman glitch despite the opportunity.

​@@fleckmylife that's actually because, let's be real, Capcom doesn't care when they port re4 to other systems.

I have mixed feelings about the second part of your comment tbh. I partially agree but then again when I think about it more. The people who were able to do the skips and interested enough to find out how to do it, are probably able enough gamers to beat it anyways. The people struggling to beat it probably just bought an exclusive ugprade ticket when those dropped lol. I personally did some runs myself, managed a 3 and a half hour run on ng pro. Which isn't exactly a good run by any means, but like I ain't a speedrunner, I just did s+ with like 2 hours to spare "first try". Even without the door skips ( I didn't even do first garrador skip in the first place cause tbh I still can't do it lol) I wouldn't have struggled at all. And I suspect is a similar story for many other players. All they've done by patching door skip is add roughly 20-30 minutes and maybe some money routing differences because you have to fight mendez now. That still puts even like pretty average gamers like me easily under the 5 and a half hour threshold. The in game thresholds for s+ was never about being good anyways, it was just telling you to not loot goblin and you will easily do a sub 5 and a half.

Wasnt it cause of people not getting luis key ?

Because Ditman glitch was discovered two years after the PS2 version

​@@dillonqaphsiel7977 but they very easily could have patched it out of the Steam version and every other console it was ported to

Timed completion rewards PLUS the purchasable tickets that are absolutely factored into the difficulty.

The upgrade tickets don't speed anything up at all.

@@millmr20 Ohh they certainly do.

@@jonhoepner3021 But it does speed up the process of getting the tickets, since you can normally only get 2 per run. Allowing people to buy exclusive tickets lets them cut down on how many times they have to play through the game to power everything up.

Upgrade tickets aren't allowed in speedruns

@@Mir_Teiwaz Yeah I realized what was meant by "buying" upgrade tickets and retracted my previous comment. I agree with that, buying the upgrade ticket to use ASAP at the start of a professional run will absolutely remove the challenge of the game in certain parts, especially during Village.

I’ll say the one exception with this game or at least the past couple RE remakes are getting stun locked into oblivion and dying very fast with nothing you can do to defend yourself after you take that first hit

You gotta understand how much time they’re putting into the game lol after streaming runs for 11 hours one mistake makes them go off of course but with 1k hours into the game they don’t actually believe it’s bad it’s just pissing them off in that moment

TRUE!

It’s not like you’re borrowing the pool (game) when you dropped $70 to own it though

True, but honestly it's kinda fucked up that they just filled the pool without fixing any of the holes and cracks in it too. To bring it back to the game, I'm no speedrunner but I wouldn't use the door skip in the island if Ashley's AI wasn't so inconsistent.

@@Kevlanco Legally, yes, you kind of are. Ownership of digital video games is a gray area.

@@Kevlanco ^This. You really don't "own" the game even if you spent $70 on it. You're just buying the license to play the game, as the publisher sees it.

They purposed fixed the door skip glitch they even said it in their release blog

@@XJoeyJordison666X yeah but it was probably a major fix, not a "let's put a invisible wall here so they don't do it" To see a bad example of sequence break glitch fixes, go to FNAF Security Breach, it literally is all they do, put invisible walls around. The scop glitch it's a glitch that works all around, speedrunners use it on specific locations, they fixed the entirety of it, not just the part speedrunners use

I agree with you. It's so crazy that there are so many people that do not know there is a difference between a bug and a glitch and how they should be defined or handled or what is intended or not intended. There' so much that goes on behind the scenes testing and making the game but people think it's a piece of cake.

@@punusername3445 Exactly

For real when ever i dont jnoe skip glitchs its so funny to watch people break the game to high hell

yea i noticed that in editing but i didnt bother to fix it LOL thanks tho

Lords of Dogtown has been my favorite movie for as long as I can remember, loved the analogy as well

I've honestly never seen such a "round" pool. Is this only a american thing? European pools are all some sort of square shaped. I wouldn't skate in them, thats for sure😅

No. In order for the analogy to work the skateboarder would have to break the laws of physics, which is what his performance relies on. Since he cannot do that and has to overcome gravity and whatnot by means of pure skill, the analogy does not work.

@@kaiderhai86 most pools are square circle or rectangle in america just not all

While skaters do use essentially empty pools for skateboarding, a pool filled with water clearly to swim in, couldnt be skated in. Because, while you could purchase your own pool and decide to skate in it, people who make pools arent doing so in consideration of skateboarders. They are doing it in mind of swimmers. Game devs arent making games for speedrunners.

Any%; Runs that mean anything goes to get the fastest time, meaning cheesing the game as well.

INCLUDING ME! so i tried to be more reasonable in this one because i felt it was important

It happens with a lot of niche communities in gaming, like eSports players. Sometimes that can improve the game overall, but a lot of times catering specifically to the people at the highest level of play can make the game less fun for regular people. It's an easy trap to fall into though because those small groups can be so vocal, like you said.

Next time talk about the opposite vocal side, since they are just as obnoxious. Oh, or are they not a problem for you? Maybe you are one of them, that's why

@@AydarBMSTU I don’t see the connection. What about my argument is obnoxious? Is it that I’m saying that the people who make a thing should have more say over it than the people that use it?

The videos point --> Your head

They put it in the patch notes though, it was intentional

@@sunderwire Yeah it es totally possible, it could also be that once they found out that the glitch was fixed as a result of another bugfix, they listed it on the patch notes, in any case, whats done is done. At least on pc they can continue to do it.

@@sunderwire good, it’s weird that people wanna cheat to play the game

@@michaelmooneyham9478 brother you do know cheat codes have been a thing since forever ago? you can buy an INFINITE rocket launcher in game. you can also get a infinite knife from a challenge. both of these completely trivialize most of the game. maybe these glitches are things unintended to trivialize the game but it doesn't change that both of these things are something you can choose not to use. idiot

​@@michaelmooneyham9478 it's no more of a cheat than buying the exclusive upgrade tickets

Imagine being mad at developers for fixing the game

Except when you pay for the pool

@@skeltaldelegate5408 -100iq

@@skeltaldelegate5408 you arent really paying for the pool but you paying so you can enter the pool, empty or not

I think it also have much to do with time restricted challenges and the popularity of this glitch. I mean, why bother having these challenges if you're intentionally letting such easy-to-do and well known skips exist. Maybe they shouldn't have include speedruns as in-game challenges in the first place, because speedruns will always be intertwined with the glitches, and by doing so they just, one, gave themselves much more work, because now they need to fix every glitch that somehow fastens your playthrough in order to maintain challenge fair, and two, fixing these glitches will turn away from you your most loyal community - speedrunners.

yeah definitely, people were loving the game anyway then these skips added to it, it didnt take anything away. now it feels like a feature has been removed.

Exactly. The game was already curated for speedrunning without the glitches.

Ok, but in this analogy the empty pool is way out of the way. Skaters discovered this way out of the way empty pool and started using, then someone sees a video of the skaters in the empty pool and for some reason go out of their way to fill this pool. In this analogy filling the pool does nothing but hurt the skaters, as normal people who probably don't even know about the pool aren't going to go out of their way to start going to the pool

no lie kinda glad they patched em, gives speed runners a higher skill ceiling. if the tricks and skips are too easy then the game reaches perfect time efficiency so much faster, rather then having many many decades of world records being traded between runners and making extra hype runs. mix in some rng and you can have a speed running community dedicated to a game for decades. RE games are one of the few games where speedrunning is very entertaining for everyone to watch, because it's still very close to the same path that every normal players has to go thru. there are very few section skips. there are speed bugs, which are entertaining, but not many full on section skips, re4 original world record is still very entertaining to watch and still close to the original intended game route. re3 original is still being ran today because no one has gotten a theoretical perfect run because of rng, and having no section skips the way i see it certain games all have a different speedrun niche. re games dont have section skips, same with goldeneye 007 you can't clip thru walls and go out of bounds, thats why it is so beloved by its community as everyone is forced to run the gauntlet, if you could clip thru walls like metroid prime or granny, it would completely ruin that speedrun, it would be much faster but it would kill the whole thrill of running thru that game.

Same :D Planning to get into speedrunning in general since a year or two also, but using these really made it so fun I'll tackle speedrunning Haunting Ground soon (ik this sounds random, but I planned to do that since a while already)

That's a popular category in speedrunnung :)

@@WilsonMackle101 Should be the only category

@@curto201 Exactly. It’s called speedrunning not skiprunning. Skipping parts of the game doesn’t show your skill, it’s a cheat to avoid parts of the game. By that logic, why can’t I just load a save before the credits and just submit it as a WR run? I sped through the game by loading it up before the end, doesn’t get faster than that. Speedrunners seem to forget games aren’t made for them to beat in less than an hour. If Capcom wants to get rid of glitches to make the game better in their eyes, then they have every right to do that.

@@SuperNeos2 to be fair alot of the glitches are very hard to do. But im with you, I think its super cringe glitching a game and skipping parts. Like the one skip makes you skip an ENTIRE chapter lmfao. So stupid

FromSoftware kinda had this in some of their Armored Core games through "Regulation" versions. They're not "different patch categories", but you can choose which major patch or lack thereof to play the game with.

there typically will be yes. But you can't really control what's the most popular. By creating different versions you simply divide the community up. That's really the core of the issue here. Ds3 is probably the most prominent example.

@@soraneptune4178 it's either that or forcing similarity & have the hate directed to the devs themselves. I'd take the "divide" anytime. It's not much of a divide either, not even like multiplayers that bought certain DLCs vs those that don't.

@@soraneptune4178 How is diving the community up an issue? Having different categories so people can watch the types of runs they enjoy the most makes complete sense.

@@axllow3914 is bad for new members. Imagine trying to look up "re4 remake speedrun" then seeing about 27 categories all with different version numbers. Just makes the prospect of speedrunning less appealing. That's always the issue, nobody who's already running or in the know already care at all, it just hurts potentially new runners and viewers.

Your first point has some backing to it, and that is the MTX Capcom is selling. TL;DR Capcom sells MTX for the game MTX lessen the grind for IRL money Glitches lessen the grind for free Capcom wants people to buy the MTX Simple as.

25:26-26:12 I really should write a comment AFTER watching a video cause you basically brought it up. Lol.

That commenter's argument was a complete fallacy anyway, comparing a niche sub section of video games, to an actual physical race. The reason an athlete doesn't cut through the circuit is not because that would make them a fake athlete, but because it's against the rules of the race. Different speedruns have different rules, even if they're of the same game.

Most plausible reason I can see is to steer casual players into buying their MTX like Upgrade Tickets. You can get through the game just fine without it, but if you want to fully upgrade your weapons then you kinda have to repeatedly slog through at least multiple runs of the game to get enough Pesetas....or, you can buy Capcom's MTX. The other plausible reason is Capcom somehow not liking any immersion-breaking bug in their games, but that can't really be proven without dev statements.

it actually does, it's rare but i have fallen out of the map during regular gameplay. i fell under the ballroom running from the novistadors and had to reload my save during my s+ run. i only have 40~ hours so it's completely plausible for someone who plays the game very regularly to experience this more often and potentially lose progress like i did. i was disappointed by the patch and it really is a hard pill to swallow but sometimes these things are necessary for the integrity of the game, even at the detriment of runners.

@@direct0ry Well that's what I mean. If you fell through the floor there, it's understandable to patch that out. But all the skips aren't accidental for the most part.

@@roddy_doddy fwiw it isn't like they patch "door skip before wrecking ball", what they have to do is patch "scoped rifle displaces the player hitbox through collision". Without being on the dev team none of us are going to know the explicit reason, but the result is that it solves multiple bugs, some of which can hurt the player's experience which ofc comes before extra community stuff like speedrunning

​@@direct0ry this glitch you speak about is actually different from the "phase through doors" one, it happens sometimes when the game doesn't 100% load the next area you're about to enter, and fun fact: it's still present in the game, nice priorities Capcom

L4D2 is also basically a PC-exclusive game at this point so yeah that also contributes to the disparity.

I know what you mean man. Have watched speed runs for years but with this RE4 is the first time I've tried, and sucesfully implemented them myself and it felt really satisfying. Really gutted it's gone now.

if you use the skip in the wrong spot (chapter 13 while ashley is still locked behind the keycard door), you can softlock yourself out. There's probably other places too. it's not really surprising they fixed it

@Brian Sullivan yeah but what I mean is no one can accidentally clip through any of these doors, if people try to skip stuff and softback themselves then that's on them, a casual player would never get softlocked in that way

​@@thehighlandfox It may require some specific work but it can happen accidentally, running around to avoid a regenerator and ending up back against a wall I accidentally yeeted myself out of the world. So I can o ly imagine other accidental activations of the glitch in other places just through sheer happenstance.

That is so fucking cringe....

okay, but glitches are by definition unintended therefore its fine to fix them.

Glitches are by definition a mistake in the game and a good developer will fix them or it'll lose credibility in The eye of some people Speedrunners are like 1% of the consumer and they can still speed run the game without glitches

Yes glitches that aren't necessary breaking the game is the fun thing for some that mastered the game and know how to bend the system to their needs

@@vismattress5760 you're ridiculous 💀 this is a modern game dilemma, with the way people like you think, I'm pretty sure you're about 19 and have grown up with this mindset.

@@supersoldierx40 as another dev, I say this is not true. Especially in video games. Your statement might ring true if this were some other professional software, but this is a single-player video game. Bugs; like features; have priority scales. The bugs Title Update fixed were neither regular gameplay-breaking nor disrupting in any shape or form.

happened to spicee on several runs. This might be the re engine's version of elden ring zip lol. which would be hilarious if someone found how to make it consistent after capcom went out of their way to patch glitches lol.

@@soraneptune4178 Happened to spicee, huh... could you link a video where this happens to me please? I'm curious to see where it happened to him and maybe piece together why.

I have also had it happen to me on 2 occasions, once going down and once going up. I have been trying to replicate it.

Oh, and back to “the people”. In Remake 2 everyone wanted to see a “regular run” mostly so everyone ran the usually path. While the all glitches of getting bitten by the stair zombie on RPD and then sewers stairs would lead to a sub 20 minute run… but the people, to their knowledge or lack there of, didn’t watch these glitch heavy runs, with the trick being viewed mostly on joke videos instead of videos explaining how this can help on a speedrun optimal level.

Like what the hell why there is so much hostility all of the sudden, or I am just discovering this?

I mean that's why there's two catagories, Glitchless and any%. I like watching glitchless too because I it involves strategies that any player can use without needing to cheat or abuse the game. However, I did really like the wall glitches because they were a charming part if the speed runs. I think I felt more joy and satisfaction when I first clipped the wall in the island than I did getting the platnum trophy lol. But if this is the direction capcom wants to go with the game that's fine with me. Just sucks that there's now going to be a disconnect between console players and PC players.

You just solved your own problem by bringing up the fact that there is a NMG category. There are always multiple categories so you always have options. Glitch runners and their viewers never talk shit about non glitch runs. But the opposite is not true. People act like you're personally harming them by playing the game in a way they don't find fun.

It’s if people have different tastes and prefer different playstyles, if there was a way to conveniently separate the categories in tidy and orderly fashion, clearly marked by name to let you know what to expect, wishful thinking I know. Oh wait.

it’s probably the decision of some higher-up executive

@@crimson-foxtwitch2581 Oh yeah, definitely. I'm sure this and the recent "pay to win" microtransactions added to the game were the decision of some suit and not the dev team.

NMG is kinda the fate of console players. The lack of different input options basically sealed that fate.

@@TheRibbonRedyeah i agree. NMG seems to be more competitive on console anyway than Any%, im not too cheesed about having to make the switch.

Like what the fuck are you saying? It wasnt a byproduct it was a glitch they fixed. Seriously what are you thinking?

At that point though the fact I paid for the game should come before the developers intentions. I don't care what their intentions are. I paid 60 dollars( or more if you're the type to buy Limited Edition versions) so I'm gonna play the way that I want at the end of the day. And if you patch out something that makes the game more fun for me I will just stop playing.

@@rh7474 Exactly. The devs already got my money for their product. I should be free to play it the way that I want to and not the way they try to force me. Imagine buying an album and instead of listening how you want to the band forced you to listen start to finish with no skipping or rewinding. No one would tolerate that.

Same here. The appeal of speedruns to me is to watch the game get mastered (and give me tricks for my own playing). I feel like everyone kept saying that RE4 would get a glitchless category, but I've yet to come across any.

The glitches did not take skill, you cranked up your mouse sensitivity and spammed a button. If you want to glitch through doors, download a cheat engine.

Bethesda games have some pretty wild speedrun strats, people like tomatoanus are extremely skilled at exploiting them.

@@larkan511 chapter 14 door. Need I say more

When did these sell well anyway? I don't think the one they sold for DMC 5 sold well either. But they keep choosing this route as a safe inbetween taking the gacha/EA route & missing out on cash altogether. Still, funny they don't even give any MTX on games where you really need to grind like Monster Hunter. But that's for the best. I can just see the massive backlash if a mainline MH game have MTX.

How the fuck is it sad that they fixed their game? Just because "iT's A pVe GaMe" doesn't mean the devs should leave it as a cesspool of glitches and exploits. Never thought I'd see people complaining over devs doing something GOOD, but here we are. You people are crazy

bruh giving the multiplayer excuse lmao 💀🤓☝🏻

This is a really interesting perspective that I haven’t fully explored, I have seen a couple of people comment this and I’ve been thinking about it quite a bit. Thanks for the insight

@@WaifuRuns of course, glad to just throw thoughts into the mix. given the often varied and different goals of Speedrun players (glitches, non glitched, %, ect.) It just makes sense they would focus on what is considered "normal and fair play" for their games official versions of games and normal players seeking to play within the games intended mechanics. Speedrunners outside of that will always find a way if they so choose. Always enjoy your content and look forward to watching your runs well into the future!

Well said.

That's totally fine & there's No Major Glitches for that. People just want the option, y'know.

watch teh video