RESPONDING TO "21 REASONS IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE CHURCH IS TRUE" 

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"Coffee is making me more white and delightsome." Gasp!

sorry for all the comments lol but i found this on twitter and thought it was hilarious: "In the future, so many young Mormons won't ever learn the LDS Church's real history. They'll be told the church pioneered LGBT rights."

I know this is years late, but as to the topic of Mormons trying to preserve their heritage is very much true. of white Mormons. in my experience as a POC, my connection to my non-white heritage was completely smothered until I fought my way out of the church. the same thing happens to multiple other members of color. I knew a Maori girl who was shamed for getting a traditional tattoo that was very important to her culture. a lot of African members I've met were told off for not acting American enough. and then their attitude towards Indigenous Americans! it's worse than squashing their culture, they try to actively rewrite their history.

I think Mormons do love their church more than God, and that's why they become so irrational trying to explain the huge contradictions. I realize most people reading this don't believe in God, but I do have faith that we were created by a perfectly moral God, and if God was truly behind Mormonism, then God would not be perfectly Moral. So that is why I left. I want to stand for truth, not stand for lies because it's a prosperous organization that tries so hard to look perfect on the outside, but on the inside are full of dead men's bones.

Church members are happier than others?😂 Definitely 100% happier after leaving the church. Also, if you go to any family ward outside of Utah, you can see the misery on everyone's face- especially the mothers of several children.

"the best bible fanfiction you've ever read" hahahahhahahah

Mormon culture is toxic!I'm in the process of leaving the church,as I'm not 18 (apparently I'm not competent to make my own decisions on my belief regarding the church) In the words of my parents "we encourage you to go to church,as we want the best for you".Yet if I chose the alternative,love and compassion is restricted.Being in the lds church is bloody intense! It strips you of who you are,and feeds you with what you 'need to be,in ordering to be happy' It's emotional bondage.

This entire video is gold. I wish I’d seen something like this before I decided to join. It would have saved me a lot of trouble and distress. What’s done is done now, I can’t change it, but I can grow from it and move on and try and fix the mess it created in me.

As a vegetarian exMormon I can say that I'm healthier, stronger and HAPPIER! I try to tell the Mormons about the whole "eat meat sparingly" and they come up with stupid excuses why it's okay to go against their own scriptures like "muh protein", "plants have feelings" or "I like meat too much". So, why should I follow your religion if you can't even follow your scriptures?

@Zelph On the Shelf, If it's true that the LDS church has spent more on that mall than on humanitarian aid-it's sickening. I was always taught that the majority of tithing and other church donations were used to "run" the church and help those in need. It's pathetic. I'm currently disfellowshipped (not going back anyway) and I am literally not allowed participate in anything at church. They said I can't pray at church, even raise my hand to comment during a lesson, have a church calling, sustain people (basically pretend "voting" at church), etc... You know, because they love me right? But, I'm a vile sinner and not worthy to participate at church... But, you know what they still encourage me to do? Pay my mother f--king tithing.

"in the church, you don't have to believe anything that isn't true" requires you to profess a belief that Joseph Smith was a prophet before you can get a reccomend

i remember having to answer that temple recommend question about affiliating with people who go against church teachings a few months ago. i was like "...myself?"

Prozac has made Utah the healthiest place on earth.

When I joined the church as a teen, they seemed to honor and glorify abusive mothers.

I became healthier after leaving the church too. Once I took of those shorts I wore as underwear I saw how much cellulite I had and started working out more. I'm by no means toned yet but I can actually SEE my body now.

I've heard it said that whatever is good about the church is not unique and whatever is unique about the church is not good. And about that public speaking point, really what I think it teaches is to interpret one's stage fright as a sign of feeling the spirit. It's a redirection of one's rationale behind the anxiety of public attention.

The apologists, nowadays, seem to be grasping at straws, a lot.

You might be a Mormon if... you have ever used the phrase "with every fiber of my being."

Assimilation? The LDS church is sounding more and more like the Borg.

If the LDS church were consistent, blacks would still not be able to have the priesthood, polygamy would be practiced (not just in heaven), they would have a temple at the lot in Independence, Missouri, and Jesus would have returned already....

"Everyone can be efficient when they're not paying their workers." That was really reminiscent of the Hamilton line "Yeah keep ranting; we know who's really doing the planting."

A thousand thumbs up! ALL of those points mattered to me, growing up in the church, and coincidentally, most of them drove me away. So, way to go, TSCC!

Whatever the "true Church" is (we can argue about it all day) the LDS " church" isn't it. It's not even a proper church. No proper church would tell you what underwear you had to wear!

Nice fallback position. "OK, OK! Our beliefs are BS, but come be dumb and happy with us!"

I was in the church 2 years and never had a home teacher visit me and when I left only one family (husband and wife) actually contacted me to see if I was ok and wanted to stay in touch. I didn't inform people I was leaving, I just stopped going. Really think the church needs to rethink their statement

If you haven't seen it, you need to watch the youtube "Jeffrey Holland's Childish Taffy Rany and Devotional denouncing Temper Tantrums". I've never seen such belligerent coments towards those questioning the church than from this "discipline of Christ"...and then I'd love to see you a youtube version addressing this rant. Thanks

I’m so glad you mentioned the book 1984! Everyone should read it

I love Tanner's laugh. It makes me so happy!

Seriously, thanks for these videos! It's super helpful for me. And I love your sense of humor!

This makes me mad. We don't have any of those poor people, and have middle class people! What a shame! Christ wouldn't have been seen as being someone of value to them. This shows how judgmental they are. No wonder people are killing themselves. If you're poor it's totally seen as an outward representation of an inward deficit. Etc etc etc

The thing that's ridiculous about BYU is that even my Community College professors do research in their fields of study. BYU needs to figure their shit out.

Joseph F Smith hated his mission, lol. Read his journal. He was racist against the Hawians, he couldn't understand why they did not bow down to him and then hanged a cat until it was decapitated.

I know this is an older video, but the reason the Mormon church is doing so well is that it invested in the development of the Vegas strip back in the 80's. The church made billions and continue to generate revenue from the gambling, drinking and other non-mormon activities or should I say non-church of jesus christ of latterday saints.

This week in my BYUI family theories class we had guest speakers who spoke about the husband's pornography addiction (which he admitted he still views occasionally) and sexually molesting girls and going to jail... And the wife was so proud that she stayed with him. I was SO ANGRY. This is what the church breads... Loosing your life and happiness for "GOD." Who in their right fucking mind would invite a woman to speak about staying with a CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTER.

How did I just learn that coffee is making my vitiligo worse. I now know why my skin is basically translucent.

I still love that this writer (barely) bragged that the Church collects tithes from members and then force them (you should never turn down a calling) to work for free.

God bless you people, you make my Sunday's so much better :)

the one at 22:14 made me laugh cause downstairs we have a pantry full of random cans of food we never eat

Christ, it's like Tanner is a totally new person with his long ass hair.

The ad at the beginning of the video was for Scientology. Like a legit ad to become a Scientologist. I dono if that's like a joke by zelf, or if Scientology is targeting videos of those disenfranchised by their current religion.

The whole reddit post should be re-titled: The Foyer Mormon's Manifesto

lds church utilizes adhominom attack

Hey, guys! Luv U-all! BUT!!....please consider resisting talking over each other. We miss half of what you're saying. Thanks.

"Masturbation is good for you. That leads to longer life expectancy, you wankers." You mean non-wankers. ;)

"Masturbation is good for you. THAT leads to longer life expectancy, you wankers!" Haha.

I've been giving talks since before I was 12 but I hated it every time but my dad was the Bishop and after that when I was older my parents would always judge people who would say no to a talk so I never felt I could say no. So instead I'd be up there shaking and stuttering

thanks again for making my sabbath day bearable, guys! I love these videos!

Do you have a link to the Henry D Moyle song? Or is that something that we can expect that to come?

It matters whether "the church is true" to me! That's a strange phrase to begin with. BTW, they're fond of saying "The Church is perfect, the people are not." Now contradicting that. Which is it?

Also was anyone else put off by the story about the trial with the cat? like isn't killing animals like that kind of a warning sign of other things?

Do you have any peer-reviewed articles about the Church's finances or lawsuits about finances from reliable sources? ( I know one of my mom's friends growing up in high school was defrauded by Zions National Bank. I think owned by the church? It was about a gold mine in Nevada and he is currently still in a lawsuit against them for it)

Who else is having a faith crisis in 2021? ⬇️⬇️⬇️

Sorry - but jehovah's witnesses have _everyone_ (that isn't living on a compound) beat as far as end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it preparedness. Who else has a persecution "go" bag?

No bishop I've ever had has ever advocated working at food banks

Another great vid! Reasons #5 and #7 made me throw up in my mouth a little... haha

The article mentions the church's "financial stability" in the bit about being prepared for a rainy day like the church would dip into their funds to help out regular members in the event of a disaster.

I fell through the cracks while I was in the church . I was homeless after my dad died and I was in college.

Love your videos! Have you considered starting a Patreon account to help support your video creations?

Are you guys both vegan? You guys have such similar experiences to me and my husband (I know you're not married). I went to BYU-I when you guys were there which is crazy to me. I just found you about 2 weeks ago. Also, are you involved in politics?

I know someone who I'm currently banned from talking to because I'm gay and her mum is Mormon. They are SO empathetic. I mean, isn't it just the KINDEST to completely ghost me???

I know everyone always brings it back to Hitler. But Hitler was a HUGE animal rights activist and spearheaded a lot of the first animal welfare laws. BUT HITLER. So he did good. Doesn’t equal an ounce of the evil. It’s not the best argument.

How did everyone skip over the dead, but tithing, diabetic dude?

Your Mom had a year supply of Oreo’s 😂😂 I guess they don’t go bad. I do think they’re right about the connection to history, Mormons do have a huge connection to their history, that can be very helpful for kids. JS killed a cat?? That’s his worst crime out of all.

1984 was honestly what caused my shelf to crash to the ground. When he ended up loving big brother I realized I had also been convinced BY ME that the church was true.

Wait, someone died during his mission work because he couldn't afford insulin? How was he not able to get help from the church for insulin? No, no, no....

Just discover your channel . Would like some confirmation about the LDS worshipping some kind of celestial mother. I recently found that that the LDS has discovered that God had a wife . Apparently they believe because everything on earth is the shadow of what are in heaven including the family structure composing of a father, a mother and the kids; they very resulted Father God has a wife. The wife supposes to be Mother God. Looking forward to hearing from you on this topic.

"Take care of their own" means nepotism

Okay. After #8 I’m positive that it’s satire....

Okinawa Island aka the healthiest place on earth. I think they have more 100 years olds per capita than anywhere on earth. My point is, the Mormon dietary law isn't even close to having the corner market on health. And this is worth mentioning- The Mormon church claims to be the Restoration of Gods true church, yet it has a completely different dietary law than the Bible. Jesus followed His father's instructions perfectly, meaning He didn't eat pork, shell fish etc, because that was Heavenly Father's instructions for His people. Mainstream Christianity interprets scripture that this old law was done away with, which is becoming more debatable as other interpretations are out there that these instructions did not go away with Jesus. For Mormons though, instead of restoring the original dietary law, or adding to it, they come up with a completely different one! RED FLAG! A God who never changes sure changes a lot for Mormons! +zelphontheshelf

Let's just savor, for a moment, the irony that the sin of drinking coffee is making Tanner's skin more white.

What's a "baseball baptism"? I've never heard about that before

My dad went to his bishop to ask if it was okay for him to get a fucking vasectomy. Tf

Takes care of their own??? Hahahaha. No they don't.

The moment you not something isn't true is when you have to ask yourself if its true

3:19 the home/visiting teacher part made me laugh 😂

You guys are great! Keep it up!

Joseph F. Smith held a trial for a cat and executed it. Jesus H. Christ. 🤦‍♂️

💜💜💜 tanner is so cute! 💜💜💜

Light Side Paul & Morgan?

We thank thee, oh god, for our profit.

I’m also not looking for any church 🤚🏼

I had brother black what a character

I love you Tanner! I love you Sam!

people live longer on todays diet than mormon diet

All the "we are good at charity" points seem rather weird to me. Regardless what one thinks of the organisation as a whole, certainly the Roman Catholic Church has to have the LDS Church beat on that front by basically every metric imaginable. At least on paper, the sheer amount of charity work the Vatican does is astounding - Caritas alone is basicaly global. If charity is a major concern of yours, join them - at least if you go tradcath, you get to impress everyone by knowing some basic Latin.... Or join the red cross and pretend you're Swiss maybe, that way you can LARP as rich? . The same point applies to "financial secrity" aswell. The Bank of Vatican has big boy dollars...

Ummmmm, I was raised Mormon in the midwest and I am in no way exaggerating when I say that at least 80% of the (adult) members in my branch were overweight and probably about 60% were clinically obese. Going to ANY church event with food meant a huge dessert section, sugary punch of some kind, and casserole after casserole.

Responds well to criticism? Ha! I got in trouble with Rostov Mission president Eric Ottesen, because my Stake President convinced me that my actions won't be against any rules. When I got punished, I said that since I am not a missionary and followed the advice from my stake president, the mission president can't do that. Ottesen asked my stake president if he told me that I can do what I did, but the latter said he never said anything like that. As a result I was punished even more and was called a liar. I was banned from going to YSA Conference and wasn't welcome at most activities. Later I had an interview with my stake president where I asked him if he still believed that what he told me was in harmony with the church rules. Surprisingly, he said 'yes', despite the fact that he knew that I got in trouble for that and he lied to his superiors about it. He even confirmed that what I did was exactly what he told me I could do. Yet, he refused to explain why he lied to the leaders. As soon as our interview was over, I emailed the mission president and reported on the stake president. The next day, I received an email from the mission president, telling me that he had a phone conversation with the stake president and they both believe that I misunderstood stake presidents words. I knew in advance that they will try to gaslight me and convince me that I got everything wrong, so during the interview I had my phone recorder on. I listened to that conversation about 6 times and made a few people, including a language teacher, listen to it. They confirmed that the stake president said what I thought he said. I informed the mission president about the recording and the analysis made by those people. He didn't reply for a month, until I forced him. He said that he doesn't care about evidences and witnesses, because the word of the take president is more important than that. I reported on him to the Area Presidency, but they didn't reply. I happened more than a year ago. Other leaders expressed more concern about the fact that I secretly recorded my leader than the fact that he taught wrong principles, framed another member and lied to his superiors. Now, whenever I say something about it, people just tell me to shut up.

Re: promotion of education... they know other denominations have associated universities, right? Like, my old denomination (Disciples of Christ, membership ~500,000) founded two universities and at least one other college that I can think of off the top of my head.

The first specific faith concern I had was when I changed my diet to be any based. I was saddened and confused by how impossible it was so expect any plant based options at church events, let alone be centered in the meal

I grew up by Deseret ranch.... the big Mormon ranch in Florida lol my mom used to work for them till they told her she could either raise me and quit or keep working and someone else can raise me. She quit and started working at her college

Great job Zelf! Justserve was a joke. I thought 90% of church service was profoundly church-centric. There’s a fine line if they count their “service hours” as contributing to community.

1st John 10:10 the devil comes to steal kill and destroy. People who are ex mormons and leave the church loose there faith in jesus christ on a huge scale also the jws who leave loose there faith in jesus christ because there faith was not in jesus christ and in the church and men. That speaks volumes.

7: *AAAAAAAAAA*

I might disagree with you diet since a purely plant'based diet does have some deficiencies with respect to trace elements and fats. However, a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet is healthy providing it is balanced.

The only person I've ever known who committed suicide was from my LDS ward.

Do you have a link to the Henry D. Moyle song? And was that a serious hymn in the LDS church, or someone's parody?

I had to stop at 13:57. I don’t know how you weren’t vomiting through the whole thing; how did you hold it together?

I love seeing young people developing ideas/paradigms of life in spite of cultural construct. Keep it up guys.

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