So glad y joined the group!!!! Our numbers are growing. I was one , aux. Pioneer, did everything by the book, but there was always a jole in my heart thst i could not fill. I would spend more time in service, read old watchtower and awake article, pray more, go visit older ones in the congregation and notjing filled thst hole. Thete is s reason, the hole in all of our hearts is meant to be filled by Jesus and when you finally get thst in your mind and heart❤ you are finally on the road to being saved. Be proud of your decision and wanting to tell others. God bless you ☺️
I love you guys, adorable couple! I came across your video last night when you were sitting alone and talking about telling your husband about leaving the religion, you really touched my heart. It made so much sense. I left the JW 20 years ago and came in in my early 20's through my 2 sisters who are still witnesses. I really have not gave the religion much thought after I left, but WOW have I missed out on ALOT of changes! OMG...I am glad I got out when I did and LIVING THIS life because it's the only life we have. Thanks for sharing!
Wow, What a delightful breath of fresh air you bring to you tube ! I would be proud to know you if we had met in a Kingdom Hall, but equally happy to meet you on the outside. Your calm and deliberate reasoning on this teaching is refreshing. I can't help but think that David Splane's video on this 'overlapping' teaching attempts to do two things, 1 - keep the Watchtower Organization's sails filled with the winds of co-incidence that the first World War brought this small group who had prophesied about 1914 being the end of the world, spoken of by Jesus, in Matthew 24. 2 - still limit the time remaining by connecting it to the lifespan of 'anointed ones', thus avoiding the danger of an unending succession. Nothing quite like crying wolf over and over again to numb the response of your flock. This is damage control, not spiritual food at the proper time.
I am a former "born in" Jdub. I left the org in '75. Having said that, I was one of those people who at times attended the "memorial". In 2005, I finally decided to research the teachings fully for the ghosts that continued to remain in my thoughts. The journey started with "Crisis Of Conscience". After the initial shock of realizing that my entire family had been misled beginning in the 1930's, I began delving even deeper into the history of the group. I still find myself reading ex Jdub material and watching channels such as yours. My sister remains loyal to the org. and very highly indoctrinated. The goal I aspire to is seeing the day she awakens from the society's evil spell over her. Your comment about the JW.org video not showing supportive scriptural backing for the "overlapping generations" really speaks to their increased arrogance in the belief that the rank and file truly do consider the WT words to be equal if not greater than that of JeeHobah. Keep up the great work. It is appreciated. Warm regards from Canada.
@@jessicaa.6690 I’m sorry to report that I have not had success in assisting my my sister out of the trap she is in. Currently I’m going through a difficult divorce after 20+ years of exclusivity and my sister has been kind in reaching out to me. I haven’t given up, other opportunities may arise. I wish you comfort on your journey. Kevin
@@kevinw1554 Sorry your sister is still "in" and that you are going through a divorce. Hopefully, you'll be able to get through to your sister soon. It is hard to have family still "in" and they will only leave at their own pace. I don't think my family will ever wake up. It runs too deep in them. But i wish you good luck.
Your comment is perfect. No matter what is said, you show your devotion to the organization by believing it. Oh how I remember the crap of the week. So glad I'm out 😁
With Russell, Rutherford & Fred Franz Already Knowing that Christ returned in 1874 the Overlapping Generation had already Passed away 140 Years later in 2015
Excellent delivery. Rich, warm & factual . The governing body is tacking in the wind. Winds they do not understand due to becoming extremely presumptuous. Sad to say Pharisaic. Their cloths are now coming off in public !
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. I just spoke with my father concerning this on the weekend, and your insights will be helpful next time we speak. He is an "unbeliever" husband but he really likes what they teach, I was hoping this might help wake up my mom, but he said she doesn't have any doubts, how can they continue to believe this? They have no scriptural support. So glad you both are out, it show me there is always hope for people to see for themselves what they believe does not make sense.
I'm happy for the both of you that you're minds figured out together that the Watchtower is full of crap. So many have figured this out ( there are many ways to prove a liar is lying, and with the internet it's become easier) but their mate, or other family members still hold onto teachings with their emotions. The Watchtower loves when this happens and count on it. When families are able to bring their minds out of the fog together, this hurts Watchtower the most. They want to break up families to suite their purpose. Methods for fading or leaving faster are now being evaluated by many, and you left the best and most efficient way possible.
Clearly the governing body continued didn't believe what they were publishing as they continued to buy stocks and shares by adding to their financial portfolio.
Very true! Their real estate holdings and stock holdings in companies like the Rand Corporation prove they don't believe in what's written in their publications.
Very endearing couple and I wish you the very best. I hope you continue your quest to question all religions and doctrines; you will find the same smoke and mirrors. We have all been lied to. The only religion all these institution believe in, is money, and to push their agenda to receive more of it. The Catholic Church created capitalism by offering free passes to heaven for your wealth. Every abrahamic based following mocks you with fear. Even the aboriginals of Australia essentially have dream time. There is one simple path to follow in life; it free, and does not impose fear, guilt or tax: kindness.
I was a busker in Sydney Australia from 1998 for a couple of years. On the streets I met all types of people from different cults, denominations & doctrines. My view was never: “I’m right & you’re wrong”!... but rather it was: “why am I right & why are you wrong”?... Thus instead of receiving a belief of doctrine through the opinion of an organisation, I was able to listen & then test it via scripture which caused me to study to learn for myself whether I was wrong. Like all zealous cults, doctrines & theories, they’re all based on what I call; “cut & paste theology”! (Just as Satan tempted Jesus by taking scripture out of context). It’s very easy to take a verse & make it say something else! But as far as I see it; if we didn’t have the Pharisees we wouldn’t have much of a Bible because most of the teachings of Jesus were given to us through talking with the Pharisees, who continually twisted scripture for their own glory. As a rule of thumb; if anyone quotes scripture I like to read the verses before & after to make sure that what they’re saying is in context & not just agree with them because I just happen to honour or respect them. There’s a real freedom in being able to “test the prophets, but only bondage for the prophets that can’t be tested”! Your joy & freedom is quite visible & I wish you all the best in your journey to learn & help others through this great tool they call; “ the internet”. Only Heaven knows the seeds we’ve planted & watered which only God can grow - Blessings!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm glad that someone else had the same thoughts that I had. How discouraging to receive a letter from the branch that didn't give a clear answer with scriptures. Hope you and your family are happy in your new journey.
Greetings, Thank you for your kindness, in giving your experience...You both are wonderful and so sincere...THE GOVERNING WARLORDS....CAN NOT COME UP WITH ANYMORE TALES TO EXPLAIN....SOMETHING THAT HAS ....NEVER BEEN TRUE...THEIR STORIES OF THE END OF THE...WORLD...THIS TEACHING HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE BIBLE...IT ALWAYS WAS A MEANS TO AN...END...MONEY AND POWER...OVER UNSUSPECTING DECENT,KIND,,GENEROUS,LOVING SOULS...JESUS WILL HELP ALL THAT SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE...THAT HAS BEEN USED AGAINST ALL THE TRUE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST...THANK YOU AGAIN.......Sincerely, Patricia A.E.T- Pierson
Any Witnesses watching? Put God's word the bible first and foremost and you will clash with your religion! Cowardice will see you remain loyal to Watchtower, courage will see you do as this couple did! Get out and be scriptural!
Great vid! I have no clue where they get that "overlapping generation" crap. I notice they get lots of "new light" when their "old light" is obviously wrong! Lol
Very honest and reasonable pattern of thought. Great point on how would you explain this to someone in field service. Excellent excellent point. Your husband last about as exciting as a tree stump ha ha, but I love it all the same. His demeanor only adds to his genuine nature. Well done brother well done!
I have a question for anyone who can answer. I'm an ex witness, however some things I have forgot. So, when Jesus was talking about the end of the generation, did he say in the future, or was he talking about the disciples generation passing away? Thanks x
I just found this video. When I saw JW.ORG's explanation I was more confused then before. You make an excellent point and to be honest with you They appear just as confused as ever. I would think that if God produces new light he would also give the necessary clarity needed to the heavenly consorts to be able to at least understand it well enough to explain it. I have always known satan to be the confuser of man NOT GOD!!!. I also praise and thank God that you escaped from this cult with your minds and marriage intact.!!!!!
I just saw your video. Glad you are out. The stupid prophets are losing hundreds per week and they are worried if the trend continues. The Wall will come down.
Great video.....thanks for sharing! I too approach topics with "It is written...."....seriously dangerous words when it comes to "fake scriptual news" !!!....lol
I hate to burst your bubble folks,but I just heard on Fox News today:Jan.8 2019, that a 114 yr. old woman born in 1904 died. Like it or not this prophetic idea still has a chance to happen as prophecied.
John scott what happened to the 1975 prediction I was a witness at one time I got sick of hearing Armageddon is right around the corner at every meeting.very few people make it to that age I think it’s very rare. My grandfather who was born in 1908 died three months before his 100th birthday. His mother lived to be a 101 in fact my grandparents (fathers parents) out lived both of my parents my mother passed away at the age of 45 from breast cancer followed by my father three years later at the age of 58.
John Scott even the JWs say the generation was referring to a group of people alive at a certain time. They never referred to the generation applying to the very last person alive.
BEWARE A WARNING FOR ALL EX JWS ; ROBERT SKYNNER TARGETS EX JWS ; did a video which said I bore no ill feeling towards Robert Skynner of Christian Comedy Channel BEFORE I was advised to speak with the Police. During my interview with them I was convicted that I had actually been a victim of a conman. THE POLICE TOLD ME ; Conmen like Robert do not break the law as they prey on the vulnerabilities and pity of others. The Police deal with many just like him. They offered me victim support as I was in pieces after they saw the "highly manipulative "letters Robert posted to me some of which they perceived as "threatening" . Sadly there was little they could do except issue Robert with an official warning ( posted on my channel ) . As a Christian I did all I could to help him completely taken in by numerous lies as was Mark Fox. That poor guy is on Morphine due to a degenerative bone disorder yet he still went out to work and tried to support Robert Skynner financially over months in addition to raising his own family. His ministry lies in tatters as his pain at being publically called a conman and thief by Robert has devastated him. You can clearly see Robert do this on the video I uploaded. AFTER speaking to the Police they advised me to publicise what has happened and warn others hence my videos. I will be doing another updating the situation. Whilst I bear Robert no ill will I am having great difficulty coming to terms with the lies he told Mark Fox and others about me, after a huge amount of emotional support , financial assistance given to Robert I am £5000 poorer and broken . I can't believe all the Police told me but know their words were true. I have been the victim of a major conman . Please don't tell me I haven't or my words are hearsay I have provided the evidence, have contacted the Police and apart from offering me victim support and issuing Robert with an official Police warning they can't do anything because lying, manipulation, and preying upon vulnerable people is not against the law. PLEASE BE CAREFUL HE IS VERY GOOD AT GROOMING HIS VICTIMS AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU AS A VICTIM AS MANY HAVE BEEN. More details on my channel
Can I ask a Question? Jehovah's Witnesses falsely prophesied the end of the world almost 50 times over 100 years now, all those prophecies failed, how in the world they conned you to overlook these points?
A very good question. And one which isn't easy to answer. My only excuse is that I was an impressionable 14 year old when my mum started studying. She wanted me to study as well. It took me a while, but I did. What impressed upon me the most was the JWs ability to answer specific questions using the Bible which other churches couldn't appear to do, thinking mainly about hellfire, condition of the dead, God's name etc. All the stuff I studied with the elders was the positives. There was not even a thought of looking into the past teachings. I was under the impression for a long time that they were teaching things they always taught, right from CT Russell time. I had no idea there was other dates. I was never encouraged to look back at the history, and now I know why.
It's easy. JWS are highly discouraged from looking into their own groups past. There's an immense a out of peer pressure and discourses given for them not to. You aren't going to find Russells writings on JW dot org, the CD, or in a Kingdom Hall library.
I like your videos,very interesting. I too have left the crazy compound. Research the Org's history if you haven't already, they have constantly given prophecies that failed. Apocalypse Delayed is an amazing book that goes to show that the disappointment we all feel now is just a repetition of what happened from Russell's preaching in the late 1800's. I read Luke 21:8 other day. Funny how when you're in the Org you miss what the scripture says, and yet JW's probably fulfill this better than most
By making the presentation they are reinforcing the fact that they want their followers to believe and accept what they are teaching, regardless of any bible backing for their idea. It reconfirms their stand that they expect followers to be followers of man made ideas. I would love to know which member or person came up with this new teaching and how he managed to sell the idea to the rest of the Governing Body.
the reason they used that style of presentation was because the older JW's who are really the only ones still in the Borg relate to that type of teaching. they are the only ones who will swallow the WT teaching. maybe some younger ones will but the majority of people who see this will know its a load of made up rubbish. majority of current Witnesses just stay in the Org because the alternative is too painful to contemplate.
Can We Calculate the Length of “This Generation”? The word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event. For example, Exodus 1:6 tells us: “Eventually Joseph died, and also all his brothers and all that generation.” Joseph and his brothers varied in age, but they shared a common experience during the same time period. Included in “that generation” were some of Joseph’s brothers who were born before him. Some of these outlived Joseph. (Gen. 50:24) Others of “that generation,” such as Benjamin, were born after Joseph was born and may have lived on after he died. So when the term “generation” is used with reference to people living at a particular time, the exact length of that time cannot be stated except that it does have an end and would not be excessively long. Therefore, by using the term “this generation,” as recorded at Matthew 24:34, Jesus did not give his disciples a formula to enable them to determine when “the last days” would end. Rather, Jesus went on to emphasize that they would not know “that day and hour.”-2 Tim. 3:1;Matt. 24:36.
The Greek word "genea" is translated as generation. According to the modern use of "generation" the word is classified as a noun- feminine. The ancient use of genea also included the use of the word as a verb. Strong's concordance states re: generation's 1) gathered, birth, nativity 2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family a) The several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy b) Metaphor- a group of men very like each other in endowments, persuits, character 3) The whole multitude of men living at the same time 4) an age ( ie the time ordinarily occupied by each successive generation) a space of 30-33 years. The original meaning of genea- generation is a continuous generating, or re-stocking by birth, a gene pool handed down or a type of creature re-appearing through time. If Jesus was teaching that there would continue to be spirit begotten sons on earth until "all these things" have taken place the use of the word"this" (adverb) generation would seem appropriate. Jesus did not say "that" generation. By using the word "this" Jesus taught that his followers would by alive at the destruction of Jerusalem and at the time of the greater fulfillment when his anointed followers would "not pass away". Other uses of the word genea are found at Acts 15:21, Acts14:16, Philippians 2:15. At Matt 24:34, Mark 13:30 and Like 21:32 Jesus was using the word genea as a reference to time. The events related to the "genea" or (time) would all take place before the genea or time ran out. If Jesus was referring to genea as a timeline in the lives of persons, those persons would see the complete fulfillment of all of the words of his prophecy. If he was referring to genea as a "royal priesthood or chosen race" then those members of such a royal priesthood or chosen race would see the fulfillment of all of the words of his prophecy. If the meaning of genea refers to a timeline of actual persons then that interpretation has a definite ending time. If Jesus words are interpreted as a race or chosen priesthood there can be no timeline applied to such a group. as long as there are members of this group on earth the generation would be continuing and would nor pass away. If Jesus was referring to genea as 2)b) (a metaphor) his words take on s totally singular meaning. The use of the word "this" which is an adverb would explain why genea in this case would be a verb. In its metaphorical use genea can only be a verb. The question arises: why would Jesus use an adverb to describe any other interpretation? A stronger question arises: Why would the original language be preserved and interpreted and an improper use of such language partical constructs be accepted as a proper use of such language when such use is improper and out of harmony with accepted language usage? The comparison between the scripture at 1Peter 2:9 with the scriptures at Matt 24, Luke 21 and Mark 23 agrees with the grammatical use of the word "this" may lead to the conclusion that genea was being used by Jesus as a metaphorical verb when considering that Jesus also said that "unless those days were cut short no flesh would be saved". The metaphorical verb in this case meaning a group with similar endowments ie. the anointed.
The bible has been translated over thousands of years and mistakes can happen, just read gen 19 v 24 I think that’s a mistake, Jehovah did not get Jehovah to do something for him, not the biblical words but just read and help? I’m wondering plus the Mathew first chapter to me explains generations and noting no overlapping
Well. Two answers come to mind. 1. He doesn't. They do it on their own but it might be still through them that explanations come. Even in the Bible his servants made mistakes but he wouldn't reject them and he still used them. 2.The other answer is might sound somewhat strange. I am not sure if Yahweh is who he claims to be, namely the good and God. And he might not have always been honest . For example the account of the original sin doesn't make sense to me. In order to commit a sin one must do it conscientiously . The first human couple could hardly have committed a sin since as the Bible says , they didn't know 'the good and the bad'. In fact the very sin meant that they reached for the understanding of it. If the story of the original sin was a lie than it wouldn't be surprising that Yahweh's preachers could 'lie' as well. Maybe he isn't as powerful and omnipotent as we think. ( Just a theory )
Adam Jablonski On point 2 I disagree only because YHWH told Adam what would happen if he ate the fruit. Even though Adam didn't know about Good/Evil or what sin was or its affects, he was given a clear warning (by the person that created and gave him literally everything he had!) that eating the fruit was a death sentence. This in my understanding would be more than adequate in determining Adams conscious decision to disobey YHWHs clear commandment. But I know where you're coming from because I've asked the same questions. Like how could people (Adam/Eve) that had no concept of lying because of their innocence and naivety possibly be prepared for the Devil, the most cunning antagonist in history? But I believe my prior statement answered that imo.
All I have to say about the new "overlapping generations" is it kinda shameful that a first century no calculator, no dictionary or thesaurus having tax collector (Matthew) knew exactly what a generation equals while in 2016 a few men do not.
It is just my own personal theory that this organisation will go down as will all religion....This is the Good News.....No religion is excellent news....
I've questioned the Elders about how the brothers come up with the stuff in the watchtower? ie: when the Messiah showed up. and how do they know it was 537 when Jehovah's people were re-established back in Jerusalem,., The generation you talk about.,..So I just do the search to get satisfactory answers for myself. So far I'm happy with what I find. The jury is still out on the overlapping generation. Because it doesn't explain the part , "....this generation will by no means pass away until...." In my mind "this generation" refers to a class or type of people ,.,and not a time frame/frames. So in my mind I'm happy with what the scripture means...I won't be unfaithful to Jehovah just because the brothers may be doing something that I don't agree with whatever it is,...That will be playing right into Satans hands ,.,which is what you've done.
I think the point this couple was making was there was such vague scriptural support that It only makes sense to wonder why something of this magnitude would not have significant scriptural support. And if you use your interpretation of this generation being a class or type of people and not a time frame then the sky's the limit on where they can go from here. And even if this overlapping generation or 2nd annointed class is correct (though no scripture is used there either) then they have bought themselves another 80 to 100 years. Let me ask you Bert, when you did your search, what scriptural support did they use if any??? You said it yourself that the jury is still out on the overlapping generation.
itis much more easy to talk on the internet than go from door to door! once your out of the truth you find lots of irregular things : they are tresholds that you could take when you had faith and trust ! There is a lot to stumble !
+Yuda Yuwono Jeremiah 10:23 says : I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man* his way does not belong. It does not belong to man* who is walking even to direct his step.+24 Correct me, O Jehovah, ........
I was always taught that you really would know when the end was going to be here I could come in a blink of an eye and there was a Bible verse I can't remember where it was at that my mother used to toss
'Trouble is' ..there IS no 'generation formula'. Matthew's account of Jesus' geneology re "generations" ..14/14/14. No specific 'begetting' dates. Each "generation" individual/unique re length.
Love your videos! Please please please get a good microphone! Only because I'm selfish and watch your videos on my mobile phone which has a not very loud speaker.... Well maybe I should get a Bluetooth speaker... Never mind.
With any religion, before joining and committing your spiritual well being to the unknown, do the research. Look into the foundation, the development. If the foundation is not solid and the builders were incompetent (false prophets), then that building will fall slowly but surely.
When the "governing body" announced the change indicating that THEY ARE now the faithful and discrete slave "class" it was announced simply by saying "We LIKE this IDEA"! Yes, THEY LIKE their own idea that gives THEM all the power ,authority and money. That probably made thousands of jehovahs witnesses leave the insanity of these narcissistic men.
+Lulubelle Pitts They might as well just say, "We don't know what we are talking about,but we really want all of you to keep thinking we are chosen by God and important so we can keep getting your money."
I don't believe in shutting people I think they should ask questions and their questions should be answered I think they have a right for that I don't like some of the people that come on here and say bad things about other people when they really don't know them but if you can't answer a question what kind of weather are you
That is where JW 's made the mistake of trying to predict the end of this system .In the other hand JW's say that the Bible says no one knows the time the "END " would come and yet time and time again JW's have tried to predict it .Really which one is it ???!!!
Religion is like a merry go round. Think of the horses and their different designs like the religions we have to day. They all keep going around and around. The trick is to keep you on the horse. Some ppl need religion for one reason or another but life has so many other rides.
I'm just wondering how she can be so happy after all they should be in paradise by now and yet the are still stuck here thinking its was all a lie i would be pretty pissed of if i was them
It is far too complex for the general public to know, but just since you are "awake" I'll share this with you. First, the Bible is absolutely true, but "interpretation belongs to God" and he gives that interpretation to a few. Reference the "eagles" mentioned in Matthew 24. To be blunt, the true fall of Jerusalem occurred in 529 BCE. 455 BCE begins the rebuilding of Jerusalem and occurred in the 1st of Cyrus. The Persians revised their timeline and added 82 years to it, pushing the 1st of Cyrus back 82 years from 455 BCE. But when 455 BCE correctly dates the 1st of Cyrus, then 80 years earlier is the year of the last deportation, year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II in 525 BCE. 4 years earlier would be year 19, the year of the fall of Jerusalem. That points to 1992 as the actual year of the second coming per the "7 times" prophecy. 607 BCE, of course, is an incorrect date, but so is 587 BCE, both of which were derived from the revised timeline. 2520 - 607 = 1913 + 1 = 1914 2520 - 529 = 1991 + 1 = 1992 Point being, the late "generation" is indeed a period of 80 years from the beginning of those signs. The beginning of those signs was a world war (i.e. nation vs. nation, kingdom vs. kingdom). Thus 1914-1994 is the correct interpretation of that "generation" which would see the second coming occur prior to its end. Thus note, 1992 does occur prior to 1994. But please note that the "great tribulation" ends BEFORE the second coming. Matthew 24:29 says, "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days... the sign of the son of man..." etc. That tribulation was against the "holy ones" and if the days were not cut short then "no flesh" would be saved. That is a reference to the flesh of the Jews during the Holocaust. Thus this "great tribulation" is NOT a reference to Armageddon as many might think or as JWs believe. Jesus was addressing Jews. The "end of the system of things" they were focused on was the "end of the gentile times" or the "end of the appointed times of the nations" and that meant the time when their own rule would return to Jerusalem. That occurred on November 30, 1947. This must occur before the messiah arrives. The "fig tree" represents the State of Israel. Thus when you see the fig tree begin to have tender leaves, he is near at the doors. That is, once the State of Israel emerges, then the messiah would soon be seen and the "sign of the son of man" would appear. The State of Israel was set up in 1948; the person who would become the anointed messiah in 1992, was born in early 1950. But only the "eagles" would know this and would keep it a secret. That is why it is said that if anyone tries to tell you "here he is!" or "there he is" not to believe them, since the eagles would not reveal who the Christ is, but that didn't mean they didn't know who or where he was. As the Bible says, "where the carcass is, so the eagles will be gathered together." Anyway, point being, the Bible is true, Christ did get anointed in 1992 as the Bible prophesied and all is well. All we are waiting for now is for the "8th king" to arise and create "peace and security." That 8th king, is the beast out of the abyss and, thus the UN. As we can see, the UN is more and more prominent in world affairs. The UN will soon take over world government and within a year and 3 months (Daniel 7:12). Then God's kingdom under Christ will take over. The Bible says Christ will come unto the world like a "thief in the night." Well, he's been here since 1992. But now it is time for him to be revealed to the world. So hang on to your faith, and ignore JWs! Thanks again for your charming video. I'm connected with the "eagles" so that's why I know all this. (smile).
Interesting video. The truth in the absolute is to learn classical history. All the Advent movements from Miller are only attempted recreation of 1st century history. It’s straightforward. Philo of Alexandria created Joshua from the book of Zechariah, chapters 3 and 6. Jesus never existed in the physical world. Philo said Joshua was an archangel, First-Born of God, the High Priest, and most important the Logos (Word). The key to grasping is Joshua = Yeshua = Jesus. Theophilus to whom Biblical Luke was written used Jesus for Joshua son of Nun (Moses connected) in his writing. The big historical event was the destruction of Jerusalem and much of Israel from 66 to 73 CE. Masada was the last to fall. It had massive influence on Hebrew religion that still reverberates. Witnesses prefer proof text. The author of Revelation said the Lord was crucified in the Great City. Philo wrote the Great City is where God dwells (Heaven). It can be bantered whether he meant under the moon as was taught in the Osiris religion. The original Joshua Christian teaching was Jesus was learned from revelation and scripture (Septuagint). It is what Paul taught. Don’t count on Paul. He existed and wrote his epistles. Scholars argue the number from 0 to 7, but going with Marcion is the best known. He counted 10, but I think Paul also wrote Titus. The Timothy’s get the most challenge. It is not remarkable that Paul wrote his epistles. He was a conspirator to assassination. His brother, Epaphroditus, stabbed Emperor Nero dead. The history is well recorded. The story is Nero was doomed and feared taking his own life. Epaphroditus did it. Emperor Domitian didn’t believe the version and executed Epaphroditus in 95 CE. Paul then met with Roman Senators and Governors to exhort the assassination of Domitian. The exact Senator was Nerva, and Petronius Secundus who had been the Roman Governor in Egypt 92-93 CE. While Aelianus executed Petronius for the assassination, it was Stephanus who stabbed Domitian in the groin. He was born around 20 CE and had several helpers in the imperial household assisting. Stephanus in the Bible, whom Paul baptized, killed Domitian. Paul had several Christians working for the imperial household; he said especially in Philippians. Whether he ran 1st century Christianity from the building is an open question. His brother was Secretary to Nero and Domitian (between is unknown). The ruins of the building are on RU-vid when curious. Paul (Apollonius) told Domitian at the trial of being God. It’s recorded in the works of Philostratus (extant). The best read is Paul died on Crete in a temple that functioned as a hospice in the reign of Trajan. My belief is he wrote Revelation 95 or 96 CE. The date isn’t in question. I have good evidence he wrote it, and literalist sure didn’t write it. Circumstantial evidence is he was John, and it’s unlikely both John and Paul lived to be centenarians. Mark also used John, and is the one area in which more is needed. The reason I accept Apollonius wrote is it has the Therapeut diet, plus it has Saturn by description in the 1st chapter, unless one accepts a bronze (copper) Jesus. Nerva succeeded Domitian and Paul got away with conspiring to assassinate Domitian. Nerva also was involved. Read Revelation and while full of imagery it has his hatred of Domitian. Domitian was the Beast, and the Roman Senate damned his memory. The Roman public and Army liked Domitian. “God,” who also conspired to murder emperors, wrote a large part of the New Testament. Whether Paul encouraged his brother to assassinate Nero is great research question. Domitian didn’t accept the story of Epaphroditus. History and religion diverge considerably. My opinion is Paul got his anti-sex attitude from misreading Pythagoras. He studied him at the Tempe of Asclepius in Aegae, five miles west of Tarsus. It is thought Pythagoras besides geometry and his raw vegan diet was a physician. Treating female patients takes an attitude, and Apollonius trained as a physician. Apollonius is Greek for Paulus in Latin and Paul in English. Whatever he was circumcised, remained a bachelor, and while not a misogynist he viewed women aloof. He thought remaining chaste gave him a window to Christ. His attitude was Christ was soon coming and why burden life with marriage. The Logos is doom. It’s Greek philosophy from Heraclitus. He thought the Being could do nothing and needed a Logos for Becoming. Contrast Genesis 1:1 saying God created the earth with Christianity saying the Logos made everything; it’s pure Heraclitus philosophy. Jesus as the Logos is Greek. Amen is annihilation. Christians pray to Amen. Amen was an Egyptian God of great antiquity, associated with the sun. Amen is the gateway to ancient Egypt, and studies the God but be ready for much discovery. I opine Paul’s father was Greek and his mother a Hebrew. Proving it is too difficult but fits with his life. He figured circumcision was evil; hence, YHWH is evil. He never ever mentioned YHWH; he used Philo’s Father word for God. Marcion later incorporated Pauline epistles in his canon. Marcion was rabid against YHWH and he wrote Antithesis against him. Quotes survive. He said YHWH was a demiurge and Isu (Jesus) had a good God for a father. There has never been a better anti-JW than Marcion. There literally is no recovery from the circumcision God. It nukes the entire Bible. In fairness it was an Egyptian practice, but by then one is debating Aten, Osiris, Horus, Amen-Ra. Religion is Egyptian. True there were Gods on Crete before, and the extremely ancient Mother Goddess, but all modern religion comes from Egypt. Osiris was the original Word. Did Heraclitus visit Egypt in the 5th century BCE? Roman Catholics call Philo the father of Christianity. He was in the wealthiest family in antiquity. His writings are readily available online. Warning: he wrote more than New Testament length. You’ll never be the same again! Philo said the Logos was inferior to the Father. He was no Trinitarian. My guess is Russell read some Philo. He was heavy into Egyptian lore, but he could have got it from Freemasons. Read Clement 1 online. It was written before 70 CE. Clement later became Bishop of Rome. He is mentioned in the New Testament. Read his Phoenix Bird and about Heliopolis in Clement I. It’s sun worship. 1st century Christians used the Phoenix Bird as their emblem. The answer is to feel the vestigial point on your earlobe at 2 o’clock. We inherited it from our monkey ancestors. That is, the Zoo is the best Kingdom Hall. But both have monkeys!
Hi reaching out, I applaud your efforts in letting the world know the wrong doctrine of JW. As bible students for a long time,i assume you believe in the bible,and God's promise for humans. Since you have discovered JW is not God's true organisation, kindly tell us which organisation on earth today you think is directed by God. What is the way forward now for you and our family to gain salvation. "The questing now is where do you go from here.? Satan has had 6 thousand years of knowing how the human mind works. Scripture don't call him the god of this world for no reason. Just like he done with Eve. He just put a little twist on what Eve said. and that was enough to get her to do wrong. Today its a lot easier for him. He has everything at his disposal. Internet. RU-vid. what have ya. Unless were wise i mean real wise. he'll take us down"
Just found your channel, but the points you make are just as relevant today as 7 years ago. There's no deep study of the scriptures as when Russell started, now it's all emotion, hype and gloss on JW Broadcasting, with little use of the bible. They're becoming tv evangelists $$$
