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Restoring a Nice Metal Shaper 

Steve Watkins at Work
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Don and I got together to work on the last major piece for his restored Shaper... Lathe and measuring of the nut was the focus of the day..

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@edsmachine93
@edsmachine93 Год назад
Bye guy, good night. Thanks for sharing.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Thank you too
@carltonlane8931
@carltonlane8931 Год назад
I do enjoy your teaching ,ideas we have learned,the way to do things ,2 more generations,if you don’t have a program it won’t get made,sad but progress,I think not ,but time will tell,thanks for the video.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Cool, thanks
@sallybrokaw6124
@sallybrokaw6124 Год назад
Wow Don that is a cool chuck changing jib! AL B.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Here is the video play list of how I made it... ru-vid.com/group/PLdXHEJjySc6gWo7xWwB_Q2JgdZgG0kBdr
@jdmccorful
@jdmccorful Год назад
You guys keep pluggin along and it wont be long before this job is completed. Enjoying the antics. Thanks for the look.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
That's the plan!
@johnsmith-zs9jq
@johnsmith-zs9jq Год назад
I understood that Rio Linda joke. It gave me fond memories.📻
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
:) You know the people of Rio Linda are not the least bit amused :)
@gerardathy6462
@gerardathy6462 Год назад
I enjoy watching you two in the wshop together especially when you speed up the camera it then looks like normal speed
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
I tried to get Don to move faster but he did not like the whip .....
@richardcorcoran1151
@richardcorcoran1151 Год назад
Good to have a look at Don's shop. Nice clear isles! Love your banter, reminds me of my dad and his brothers . A good walk down memory lane.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@mickralph4623
@mickralph4623 Год назад
That lathe s the same age as me. It's in much better condition! Great video again. I always learn so much. Love the chuck crane Darrn!
@donmadere4237
@donmadere4237 Год назад
Well it took a few months to get it to look that good!
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Thanks 👍
@paulpipitone8357
@paulpipitone8357 Год назад
Thanks guys nothing better then two grumpy old men working out the details lol....
@randymusselman4504
@randymusselman4504 Год назад
Much more restrained than an episode of Orange County Choppers! 😂
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
You bet
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Maybe I should start throwing chairs at Don ??? :)
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 Год назад
Does it feel weird being in Don's shop with so much floor space?
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
YES... I keep trying to tell him it is just not natural :)
@johnlee8231
@johnlee8231 Год назад
Looks like Don needs to hunt up a 5c collet chuck for that lathe. Glad to see the progress on the shaper nut project
@donmadere4237
@donmadere4237 Год назад
Yes that would be nice!!
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
I think he also needs a BOB...
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining Год назад
very good job steve,,thanks for your time
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
thanks Man..
@johnb5519
@johnb5519 Год назад
Don has that lathe looking really nice.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
HE does! I owned that one for 5 years and I miss it sometimes... I have another one just like it in the shop under repair. I keep thinking I need to sell it to make room after it's fixed but then I use Don's and I start thinking of places to put it :)
@johnb5519
@johnb5519 Год назад
@@10swatkins Yeah, I always wonder how your''s is coming along.
@donmadere4237
@donmadere4237 Год назад
Thanks John
@malcolmtill
@malcolmtill Год назад
I agree with leaving the felt out and enlarging the oil feed hole. Makes sense.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
I think that's the least we should do. I thinking there might be a way to do a different feed from the table side...
@neilh2150
@neilh2150 Год назад
@@10swatkins Can you feed from behind the mounting face of the nut,through the casting to a lube point mounted on the casting end? At least it will be a fixed tube not being moved by the table travel.
@johndebrular979
@johndebrular979 Год назад
Don should shorten that chain. Nice lathe.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Yep.....
@mikediamond1522
@mikediamond1522 Год назад
Mount your oil tube along with the ID thread part on the sliding piece. The whole thing goes back and forth. Mike
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
access to it is the problem... I am going to look at having it come out the table side....
@Videowatcher2.0
@Videowatcher2.0 Год назад
Good luck, dealing with Don,he just doesn't get it,you are on the right track, if you just replace the nut as is it will out live both of you,however if you put an oil hose it will out live his grate,GRATE grand children,
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
It's a hard job but someone has to do it :)
@donmadere4237
@donmadere4237 Год назад
No room for an oil hose nut moves approx 2 feet back and forth
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Год назад
good morning Steve and Don, cheers from Florida, Paul
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Hello there!
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Год назад
@@10swatkins Steve, I really enjoyed watching tonight, you and Don are a great pair.....is his lathe a Monarch?.....I am sure you know, but if you turn brass/bronze backwards and turn your cutting tool upside down, all the chips will go down to the bed instead of in your face....and that was one big mo honker lathe chuck....cheers my friend, Paul
@donmadere4237
@donmadere4237 Год назад
@@ypaulbrown The lathe is an Axelson, was such a great lathe was giving Monarch a lot of competition so Monarch bought them out and shut them down!
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Год назад
@@donmadere4237 thanks Don, I know Dee Dee out in Washington has one he is restoring, best wishes to you and Steve....Paul
@davidbawden6567
@davidbawden6567 Год назад
To find the centre of the hole. I would have screwed in the threaded bar, put the tungsten tip, just touching the top of the threaded bar, measured the threaded bar with a micrometer, divide this by 2, this would have giving you the exact centre...
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
My eye was " good enough" for this one... It is pretty darn good and there is slop in the mounting hole... For really dead nuts position you way is great.
@jeffgray2954
@jeffgray2954 Год назад
A paint brush over the cutter works well
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Yea.... Working with limited tools there :)
@johnlottes7440
@johnlottes7440 Год назад
Don should make a lifting handle for each chuck and leave them in the chuck so he doesn't have to futz around with the tightening up the chuck on the lifter.
@randymusselman4504
@randymusselman4504 Год назад
Hello Steve, I have been away from cam-lock chucks for a long time. When you mount the chuck and tighten the nuts to draw the studs in, how do you know the face of the chuck isn’t running out? In my brief time in a job shop so many years ago, I didn’t think about this. A threaded spindle draws up to a shoulder face. With the cam-lock, it’s only the short taper that sets the chuck, not drawing to a shoulder? Correct? If so, can’t you tighten up unevenly and get face runout? The spindle taper seems mighty short. (As a footnote I recall the Buck 3-jaw cam-lock chucks had a separate run-out adjustment to get the radial runout dead on once mounted. ) Just curious if you could comment. Thank you again and Don for taking the time to post. We old guys have only so many days left in this life. Thank you for taking the time to share your work with us. Randy Wyoming, DE
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Randy it has a shoulder to stop also... Just need to keep it clean and free of dings...
@greglaroche1753
@greglaroche1753 Год назад
Another fun and informative video. Thanks ! I sometimes wish I had a T wrench as big as Dons. I’m not as strong as I used to be. I was wondering can you remelt that wax and reuse it?
@donmadere4237
@donmadere4237 Год назад
Yes the wax can be melted and re-used
@leeroyholloway4277
@leeroyholloway4277 Год назад
Don's new haircut looks good. Does he comb it with a pork chop?
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
TMI !
@jeffnevius
@jeffnevius Год назад
Tell Don it's 9 degrees this morning
@donmadere4237
@donmadere4237 Год назад
That temperature number is not in my vocabulary! 🥶
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
HE shrivels up and dies at 40 !
@jackpledger8118
@jackpledger8118 Год назад
Steve, was there handle envy going on here?
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
I think Don was trying to impress me! It didn't work :)
@fjLh50go2wxP
@fjLh50go2wxP Год назад
Concerning the oiler setup, I have several questions to ponder. Hopefully something interesting will develop. Steve, what came first? Was the cast-iron crap from the beginning, began breaking up and plugged the oil feed? Or, was the casting just fine and the oil feed plugged up cousing the failure? I wonder, is there some miss alignment from the git go that caused the stress on the threads that started the mess to begin with? (So all your careful measuring will just build the error back into the machine.??) Lest set these questions aside for a moment and consider: Are all shapers of this era set up like this? Were there updated arrangements or redesigns? One last question/obsurvation. If the hole was plugged and not the felt, The problem isn't the felt, Oil was design to flow onto the nut and out onto the threads eventually filling up all the cavities, Don pointed this out. So lots of oil was moving through with this system. So the gunk in the hole came from the nut or inside ware. Steve, you point out the the holes drilled into the old nut are not square or parallel to each other. For me that is a big "WHAT THE". This part is so deep in the machine, would the original Machine Fitter have ever dug that deeply? Finally would you consider plugging the original holes and drilling new on the opposed diagonal doing your own alignment?
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
On the holes.... I would think a little slop would let the nut move and compensate for the alignment of the screw.... I thing the side movement is not as critical since it is a shaper... IT;s up to Don as to how he wants to put it in ;)
@fjLh50go2wxP
@fjLh50go2wxP Год назад
@@10swatkins Thanks Steve. Making a comment from long distance is always a shot in the dark. You and Don are always very careful and observant as you work your way through projects, so I've no bought the project will succeed. LOL and Thanks to you both.
@fjLh50go2wxP
@fjLh50go2wxP Год назад
doubt not bought - dang auto spell ;- )
@Rangitatahunter
@Rangitatahunter Год назад
That crappy oil dripper system probably kept it working for 30 or more years of hard production work and then whatever it has endured since it was put out to pasture, I'm guessing your repair will see it through into the next century now
@donmadere4237
@donmadere4237 Год назад
Yup that’s what I think!!!
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
I hope so... At least the bronze nut will take it easier on the screw :)
@timothyeckelmann9021
@timothyeckelmann9021 Год назад
@@10swatkins I have a 24" Cincinnati shaper like yours and I am in the process of doing the same thing. I am replacing the lead screw and the nut. I will also be adding pressurized lube to my nut which is going to be a split nut so I can adjust for backlash. Best of luck with your shaper rebuild.
@stevengehm1287
@stevengehm1287 Год назад
Don, I don't know how you do it...😂. Steve, I don't know how you do it...😂.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Sometimes I scare myself!
@gbowne1
@gbowne1 Год назад
someone has to. lol
@MW-tg6jp
@MW-tg6jp Год назад
how tall is the ceiling in that shop? Looks like 8ft. Do you ever wish it was 9? I am planning to build a garage and was wondering if I should add the extra expense to go 9ft, maybe 10.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
That is 8 foot and its don's shop.. Most of my shop jas at least 9 and some 22 feet high. Don't skimp on a ceiling!
@MW-tg6jp
@MW-tg6jp Год назад
@@10swatkins thanks
@cannon440
@cannon440 Год назад
I don't see a stop on the end of your jib crane, please install one.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Look harder....
@donmadere4237
@donmadere4237 Год назад
The stop is on the opposite side that you can’t see in the video
@johndebrular979
@johndebrular979 Год назад
I agree that the lube system should be improved somehow.
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
I was thinking about it last night again... It's going to be tough to make something work through the sides.... What I don't know about is how much room there is to make something come out the front of the machine towards the table... At least that way it could be a short path and move along with the nut... Just have to see ...
@zanechristenson3436
@zanechristenson3436 Год назад
Does don have a DRO on his mill? Seems like that would make it much easier and more accurate lol
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
I think so.... But you are assuming Don can count! JK :)
@gordonbarr6263
@gordonbarr6263 Год назад
W hat is the lathe you are using ?
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Axelson 16" 1954 One of the last made...
@buslife8076
@buslife8076 Год назад
I thought Don was the old nut….. 😂
@donmadere4237
@donmadere4237 Год назад
Well yes that would also be a correct assumption! Lol
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
You got that right! :)
@gbowne1
@gbowne1 Год назад
well, ya know.. there's always that 1 guy..
@markfoster6110
@markfoster6110 Год назад
Steve repairing dons broken nut! Better not film fitting it to Don !
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
Your a sick man :)
@raymondjames9734
@raymondjames9734 Год назад
it would be a lot easier if we could just refer to Don as D, to make the joke about D's.... D's what??
@10swatkins
@10swatkins Год назад
It might go over too many peoples head :)
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