Ret Paladin Hero Talents: Reworked AGAIN!? 

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Herald needs to pop fire wings

Cries in elemental shaman… Blizzard: with that much moisture are you sure you’re not resto shaman?

To say that your don't care about eternal flame is ridiculous its a strong heal with a strong hot that could also proc a dawnlight and save your ass in a pinch. Not to mention that talent that gives you a free wog once a minute when your health is low, its basically a full heal once a minute. Increases your group utility as ret, its a great spell and a welcome addition

Eternal Flame is a huge gain for Ret pvp if healing is properly tuned.

The light shines upon the paladins for they were reworked once again :)

These hero talents seem unique and well developed while adding a tad bit of complexity(skill expression)… one seems focused on Dot(fire blade slashing) and the other towards Burst(holy hammer smashing)… maybe eternal flame can auto cast on self for free, if you fall below certain health threshold and give a minor increase to D.O.T. damage while having a H.O.T. Applied

I am digging it. Might have to raise one up in panda time.

Maybe I'm asking the wrong Channel, maybe I'm not 🥹 but I would love to know what Hero talent additional debuffs/buffs or DoTs/HoTs are dispellable by enemy players. I've not yet been blessed with Alpha access to do testing myself.

i think that they could maybe use a couple less hammers with some of these spells ha but both hero specs look amazing! maybe mini versions of your current weapon but that would probably be too much :D

Miss having exorcism like did beginning of dragon flight I made build entirely made counter rouge exorcism was meant hit out stealth if not got cloak up. Hope bring back like ability like that

Consecration is considered a damage over time effect, and maybe divine hammer as well if they code it that way lol

Consecration and divine hammer count as Damage over time for the purposes of penitence and should also work for with Wake capstone

howe is templar strikes now with war within?

not sure about the new divine hammer? 🤔 i hate uptime breath abilities 😔

need a video on herald of the sun with new talents and perm wings build

Herald of the sun makes me want to praise the sun. I need to get a Solaire transmog sorted for TWW I think, in time for some Jolly Cooperation

Hammer

surely surv hunters must be next for a rework if ret is getting changes again

need a link to that transmog!

Boom

I so wish the paladin class designer to be added some workload, warrior/ hunter need some love in terms of class design.

I just want blizz to give us sunwalker armor because there is nothing like that in the game sunwalkers are so underdeveloped compared to most of the paladin races

I always wanted versatility to be a pvp ONLY stat like resilience. Resilience was awesome for pvp. It makes sense.

Are all hero talents for all speccs testable or are they still miss enhancement? I like the comeback from eternal flame but why not in a tree who shares holy and prot? 😂

As a DK main, I am so jealous. Haste doesn't scale dots, Crit for Frost is such a weird stat since it has awkward scaling with obliterates. Not to mention the mess that is frost in general, and the talents for all trees overall :'(

What if eternal flame replaced fv/ds for ret for something with same dmg/leaves a dot instead I think that could be cool

With blessing of An'she I would say the Eternal Flame change is pretty awesome. Sure, the healing may not be the same as Dragonflight, but if it's giving us Hammer of wrath procs for 200% dmg. Casting it on at least one target at all times may be worth it.

I think both Hero trees look very good but for sure they need to tweak the visuals. Like someone else mentioned, how in the world did they miss the chance to change wings into fire wings for herald of the sun? These are like obvious things they can do to add different visuals.

“The devs are listening” Ookkkk….

When Blizzard gives you new powers it's usually to make up for those they took away previously. Personally I like my Ret Pally just the way he is.

Eternal flame should burn enemies around you as well as heal you for the 20 sec

Does anyone know what the golden ring around the paladin is?

Herald of the Sun sounds cooler to me because I love Taurens, and Tauren Sunwalkers revere An'she the sun, and I think thats badass as all hell, and the word of glory buff IMO is actually really useful for all but he most selfish of gameplay, spot healing yourself, or others is Paladin fantasy 100% As well as super useful in pvp!

Man i love being able to crit offheal with word of glory 😢

Im quite sure there are many more classes that need reworks more than ret

i'll be doing Hero Talents for Class Fantasy, rather than conforming to the Meta.

Divine hammer I think will be your high keys way to go for AOE. big pulls ever 2 minutes, Pop wings with it and go ham. In Mplus you don't take the talent that forces you to build extra holy power for your spenders, because you want to get damage out as much as possible. You take that talent for bosses, because you know the fight is going to last a while, so you have the time to build that extra holy power. You just don't in Mythic Plus. I also think you could combine Divine Hammer with Crusade and just have this huge 2 min build, because, Divine hammer recharges your builders faster, Crusade builds up alot of haste as you use it and this just says to me that every two minutes you are looking to go huge. I hate that Might is being nerfed to 2 minutes, but in Dragonflight as it is a 1 minute cd, Crusade has just been a no go. why wait for 2 minutes, when you can get 2 wings out in that time. But I also see why they nerfed Avengering Wrath to the 2 minutes. By doing this this allows for the option to go back and forth. Also with Divine Hammer recharging your builder's faster, and you combine the haste from Crusade. I think at least in theory you could build Retribution as a Crit/Mastery, versatility spec, leaving haste as your dump stat. This takes us back to the old days of the 2 minute boom Ret. which i'm conflicted about, because the 2min builds has always left Rets with a poor consistent damage profile. Especially compare to Warrior, or unholy dk. But this might be the price we have to pay to get away from Versatility stacking as we have been since the rework in Dragonflight. Yes, Vers and divine Plates talent has made us incredibly tanky, but also it staggnated our damage. I mean they had to aura buff a total of 12 percent just so we didn't fall behind other classes in season 2 and 3. 12 percent. that is alot of damage they had to give us, because versatility does not scale. Personally, I'm looking to go Haste/Crit=Mastery, and dump versatility. To see how this feels, and then I"ll check out the sims.

I have a problem with designing encounters based on what players have, why can't they just make the encounters without considering such things, would probably make the fights more fun then and if you say that if they don't consider such things then some classes will be excluded, then consider this, why does everything need to be optimized?

To me it sounds like Herold of the sun users will go Crit/Mastery

Templar is Giga Strong. Of all the things I’ve tested on Alpha it is TRUCKING bosses. These are some MASSIVE Execution sentences lol.

where is Marcelian?

Wow cool, only time blizzard pays attention to frost dk is only to take its BoS play style over to ret

The lack of visual on the key node Templar is built around is highly disappointing. So much for class fantasy. Spell/ability animations are a big reason why this game looks dated. Also not excited that herald of the sun is just a rehashed holy prism, which is a spell that needed a new visual a long time ago. Add something to it as it just looks like gold yarn at this point.

For the love of god why the hell is the auto attack talent so busted. Crusading Strikes not only gives consistent holy power but it just flat out hits like 80% harder than Templar/CS. Auto attack talents are so damn lame and its double lame when you have to play that talent otherwise youre actually trolling. Idk, i just hate it. Vanguard of Justice is a wonky ass talent too, in all honesty it should do what it does now BUT you could hold 6 holy power. Playing with VoJ is wonky as hell and just feels jank. I mean look at pretty much any other class that has a "Spenders cost X more" talent and youll see somewhere in their tree is the ability to add resource cap amd in the case of rogues, just flat out doubling emergy for them. As for Eternal Flame, we are one of the few specs in the game that has a very clear line when it comes to our resources. Passive healing and defensive bloat are a big problem but that's the thing, we have to actively choose to destroy our damage to cast WoG. Why are they killing the hybrid part of the hybrid classes? If you actively choose to use your heal button on someone instead of doing damage, it should heal for a decent amount. The utility and support options that ret brings are really good, don't take that away. A Ret SHOULD be able to notice someone dying and be able to make the active choice to sacrifice their damage to save that person. If i wog a rogue and his health doesn't jump by 40% or more then why even give ret heals

Disabled wheelchair class needs more help 😂😂

i wish instead of hammers it was just light, so it fits thematically with the rest of the races and types of templar, or just because it looks better honestly hopefully theyll add glyphs to it

Why Templar couldn't be a dps with one hand and shield? Like D3 Crusader. Why Blizz? I would play like crazy

Poor Hunters and Shamans never get any kind of respect

another patch another ret re-work......if only warriors had a decent re-work instead of the shambles that is slayer

When will brewmaster get a rework. We have to many buttons

I wanna see bm dark ranger

45 seconds in and I can tell you already haven't paid a bit of attention to survival hunters (like the devs) because none of what you just said is true. They shoehorned botth hero talents into coordinated assault and said, welp, our job here is done.

Can i just say hybrid healing is actual dogshit in PvP. In any kind of match a lock/warrior/mage etc will have more healing by FAR than my ret or druid

I absolutely hate the breath of sindragosa gameplay.

sounds like they made an unholy pally lol

PVPers care about Eternal Flame my guy. The entire game isn't just PVE fyi.

Frost dks NEED a rework but a COMPLETE and TOTAL rework that shit is boring AF

Next brain dead specc

Templar’s major problem for me is its class fantasy. Nothing unique or exciting was achieved here. More Hammers? Why? How on Earth does Wake of Ashes augment into Hammer of Light? Logically, that makes no sense! I would have loved for a Sword themed hero spec at the least! But this would have been a really cool opportunity to augment Divine Steed in new ways. Could have been a dash or even a direct charge! Could we have seen the skybreaker leap here? Maybe. What about a shield and 2 hander? Would have been epic. Overall I will be rolling Herald of the Sun. Templar is a massive miss in the class fantasy department!

Better more accessible wheelchair

Weird take on eternal flame. Ret is a support class.

Templar needs to be Sword themed not Hammer themed!

breath of syndragosa was never a good spell. frost dks have to deal with this since legion. it was new and exciting in legion but should have replaced with something better. that alone puts me off in wanting to play ret in the next expansion. make it a strong 1 min cd that lasts for 10 seconds and does good aoe dmg. then it fits into the paladin. why taking a bad and very dated design who almost no dk likes and put it into red.

Cant wait untill this monstrosity of a spec will be nerfed in second season and will be turned in unplayable stupidly boring sheee.

Warrior needs rework

IMHO This is stupid, reason i play ret is because its easy compared to other classes. id rather them make everyone easier to play rather then add more complexity...

called it the second they announced it, hero talents will be a shit show and unbalanced like the rest of the game already is. some classes still need help in the current talent trees but HeRo TaLeNtS -_-

Ret still feels so boring, all the builders feel meaningless to push only to add up to your spender and even that sometimes doesn’t feel impactful, sure is flashy to look at though