Retro Video Games Are a WASTE of Time?! 

What do you think about retro games possibly "stifling" innovation in the gaming industry? Check out the article at metro.co.uk/2022/07/03/retro-video-games-are-a-waste-of-everyones-time-and-money-16932461/

What stifles innovation is the mandatory inclusion of loot boxes, micro transactions and other "surprise mechanics". The remakes thing comes from companies not wanting to take risks, and only banking on known franchises - thats not retro gamings fault.

Triple A developers are now more reliant on the past because the time and cost associated with modern game development is so much greater than it was even 10 years ago, let alone 30. That means they want to play it safe by building on an earlier framework: a remake, a remaster, or simply a sequel that very closely adheres to its predecessor. As the money involved increases, so too does the aversion to risk. The same thing is operative in Hollywood today. Everything has to be either a billion dollar blockbuster or a no-budget indie film. The "middle class," so to speak, has been hollowed out in both cases.

"A waste of time" is a weak argument. Any hobby is a waste of time and money if you think about it.

Hey Pat, loved your bit about original games. Coincidentally, just like your shirt, I just released a game that took a lot of risk that takes place in Tron-like world. Thanks for the shout out to the indie game devs that are taking risks while the big guys just focus on bringing in cash through microtransactions. Us indie devs really appreciate your perspective! Thank you!

The real waste of time and money was the loot boxes we opened along the way.

I disagree that remakes and remasters are keeping developers from doing new things. These are usually handled by a separate team internally while the "main team" works on new games, or it's handed to an outside developer. Additionally, when you're making a new game in a long running series, a lot of people will feel like they don't have a good place to get into the series (see Yakuza, for example), especially if it's a series with an ongoing story. Sure, anyone who really wants to can go back and play the original versions to catch up, but having your whole series accessible and available on current systems is a good thing. A good middleground would be to make older games purchasable on modern systems with no expectation of significant upgrades (think something along the lines of the Wii Virtual Console), but without the major platforms providing a section of the store like this, it's up to the developer to set expectations and do the work to get their game working, and if they're already putting in work, why not put in a bit more effort to smooth out some of the rough edges and take advantage of the new hardware you're running on?

Fully agreed on Ian's point about stylized vs realistic graphics.

The main problem is AAA games are now taking 5-8 years to come out, then we play them for a few weeks or maybe a couple months then it's a whole other generation before the dev puts somthing out again. We used to get entire trilogies on a single generation, now we are lucky to get a single entry per generation. So they have to fill in the gaps with remasters.

Just replayed transformers 2 in xbox360. My nephews were blown away by how much content the games back then came with and quickly enjoyed after getting used to the controls.

I recently picked up the first CVS on Dreamcast and marvel how smooth it plays and still holds up. It's not hyperbole but they really don't make them like this anymore.

Be nice if AAA's could release finished games without bugs, glitches, and day one patches. This is the reason why a lot of gamers love retro gaming and it keeps them going back cause people get tired of online all the time,microtransactions , and dreaded NFTs. When you play retro you ain't gotta worry about all that!😁

Some of us only want to play the old crash bandicoot because they tweaked the jump mechanics and it ruined the game, or civilization having more depth on ps1 than 4

"...according to an article in Metro..." There's your problem right there.

Sounds like the problem is less retro gaming and backwards compatibility, and more the reliance on rehashing the hits to milk existing franchises. I love that old games like Doom 2 and Quake have updated releases with active support on modern systems, and I love being able to bring my past Xbox games with me to the Series X so I don't have to maintain a bunch of aging systems. That stuff is great. Remastering and remaking the Hits is a massive problem though. That's massive amounts of time, money, and resources that could have been put toward something fresh and exciting; in this way every unnecessary remake represents a lost opportunity.

NFTs are a bigger waste of time and money

My grandfather made himself a belt out of old watches. *_THAT_* is a real waist of time.

Just beat Donkey Kong on the Game Boy for the first time this week. Wish I had that game as a kid. Way better than a lot of modern games!

Why does everyone say “Retro Gaming” or “Retro Games”? It’s Vintage gaming! So we say retro stamps, retro comics, retro clothing, retro cars, retro records? No, we call them vintage. Retro is a style, as in a new game released in a retro style, like Curse of the Moon, or the Messenger. Or like the retro line of toys with retro packaging, etc. Stop the madness.!

DOA 2 Ultimate looks fantastic upscaled to 4K on Xbox One X. I only had the Dreamcast version growing up so playing this original xbox enhanced version via backwards compatibility was a blast. I probably wouldn’t have experienced it if it wasn’t for backwards compatibility ☕️🎮

Everything about gaming is a waste of time *by design*. It is the entire point of *playing games*.

Yes They are now you can send them all to me

We like what we like, regardless if it's old or new for a variety of reasons. Just because its new doesn't make it good or bad, just because it old doesn't make it bad or good. These companies are doing remakes because it's a safer investment in their eyes. It has less to do with what gamers want but making a return on a proven product. If old games were not good to many people they wouldn't buy them, emulate them, request for backwards compatibilty or remakes. This all adds up to modern games being overall worse because they are too expensive to make.

I’m a huge N64 fan and it has aged like old milk. However, it is my favorite system because it was my first console and I love the clunky 3D graphics.

......THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF VIDEO GAMES!!!!!!! TO WASTE YOUR TIME!!!!!

Also I think it's funny how Starfield, a game that is still a ways off, is already being criticized for similarities to past Bethesda games, meanwhile gamers and critics are still gushing over Elden Ring, a game that's literally just Dark Souls 3 with nicer graphics and a jump button. Bethesda has a style when it comes to narrative and character progression, and it's fair to expect them to bring that style to their games. But to say Starfield looks like Skyrim is silly, in my opinion. If anything is bares more resemblance to Fallout 3 & 4 because it's a shooter-RPG, but neither Fallout nor Elder Scrolls have the player customizing space ships for interstellar travel and outer space dog fights, and base building on alien worlds, etc. I see no issue with a developer establishing new IP's on the solid foundations they've built.

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it's NO more wasted of time than reading and buying books, watching movies or tv series, or painting,...

Whoa thanks for pointing out _Stray._ Definitely going to be grabbing that. I feel like if anything retro games show that a quality game can be outside the high priced AAA games. It ushers in new games because it shows a good game is a good game, no matter the graphics and or specific game mechanics.

I have no respect for people who would take the current status quo of aggressive gambling-type monetization in nearly every fucking big game over the brilliant 6th generation where every console had its own personality and groundbreaking games were still happening every year.

I think PS1 graphics still look great for two reasons: 1: The lack of detail inspires the imagination in a way that hyper realism cannot. 2: It makes games look truly otherworldly. Bonus reason: It looks goofy and that's hilarious. I don't think silly pretend games have to perfectly mirror real life to be good. They just need to be fun and have style

I agree with the backwards compatibility issue 100% here - its a waste. Like Ian said, not many people even use it. Microsoft is already cutting the 360 and Xbox games from the free games with Gold. no more games will ever be added to the library. (Ironically it seems Sony and Nintendo will be pushing way harder for that now). But the added cost to get discs to play, especially ps3 discs is an absurd cost to add onto a console - and people seem to forget so soon that Sony did this with the PS3, it was FULLY backwards compatible, far beyond what Xbox did. And it was their worst selling console because it was freaking expensive and 85% of customers had no old games to play anyway. Unless they monetize the games like Nintendo is doing on the Switch online service now - which is not really backwards compatibility and kind of annoying to pay for games again you may already have.... And for me i jump in, play and hour, and im done. Graphics aside, just the controls are so outdated on like ps1 and ps2 games. Many of those games have such terrible camera control or save systems compared to games these days. its hard to go back. -- Do i want a fully BC playstation or Switch that can play 3DS/DS and gameboy games? Hell yeah. but I know Im a minority and its only because I own all that stuff already and the old consoles are breaking and hard to keep plugged into the TV. I completely understand why the systems wont do that, and Im fine with playing the new games over these old ones - which as I just said many dont age that well anyway. i have 30 sealed Switch games, 200+ untouched PS4 games, 700+ Steam games i still have to play, and haven't even touched gamepass in 3 months. I dont need old games, I have to many new games. ill die not playing 98% of them. ha-ha :( oh....

Will just say to that last point… Nintendo innovates to a fault. They “jump the shark” too quickly and refuse to go back In games like paper Mario that the fanbase in unison wants

I work in my University Game Room. Recently we put in the XBox 360 and PS3 after they were put away. Ever since the TV is either running LEGO StarWars tcs, Guitar Hero 2, one of the cod's or NCAA 14. A 2nd Switch is also hooked up to that TV. Older games 100% have a place in modern gaming- especially these days when people are so fed up with micro transactions and battle passes. New games aren't fun anymore.

While I get what you guys are saying, I have to say, most of the upcoming game releases I am most looking forward to are remakes! Dead Space, Advance Wars Re-boot Camp and I really enjoyed the remakes of Resident Evil 1 and 2.

The problem with many people is they go back and play old games with unrealistic expectations. You know damn well the game isn't going to look as good as current games, so why people act shocked when they turn on an old game is beyond me. Any time I fire up an old game, I put my mind back when I was 15 years old and I have just as much fun now as I did then.

Gaming has changed in terms of risks because of how expensive making games has become, which has ballooned to blockbuster movie budgets, at least for AAA. Indies are more creative nowadays with the devs doing more with less although they too at times hedge their bets on nostalgia, with games that look like and follow the formula of classics. Gaming like all art is iterative and you can't expect every game to reinvent the wheel.

I love wasting time and money

You guys harp on the Lat of Us Remake a lot -- too much -- the remake isnt a waste of resources, the story has been around the net for over a year -- Naughty Dog literally had a team sitting around doing nothing but messing around with PS5 development kits. An outside team was going to remake Uncharted, but the Sony team decided that was too costly and not a good investment, (like you guys say about Last of Us in this segment) and brought it in to this Naughty Dog team for basically free (developing a new IP is way more time consuming and expensive in other ways), And Sony let this team practice PS5 development (and develop NEW TOOLS they will now use) almost as a throw away. AND it was a PASSION PROJECT for much of the team -- Ian talks about "teams having stifled creativity working on things they dont feel are creative". but again thats not the case here -- in a day and age where we hear everyone from Nintendo testers to Blizzard employees take any chance they can to let us know about shitty working conditions -- the Naughty Dog team has genuinely had nothing but positive and proud stories from their development on this game. So like yeah, dont buy it if you dont want to. But Nintendo has made a staggering multi-billion dollar industry on remakes and reselling games and sequels and slapping Mario on EVERYTHING. If you dont like i, dont buy it. Just like the retro game stuff. But its strange Ian hates on this game so much when he doesn't even play these types of games anyway.

The double edge sword and this is something me an a coworker we’re talking about, is games cost more to make, from a business perspective it’s a bigger gamble. They could put million dollars into a game and have a turd. I understand why game company’s aren’t willing to do tons of new ups, safer to do what they know works

Maybe to try to collect them but depending on the game, I still replay a lot of games because... do you know how many times i play through sq 1 through 5 lol

Tripple A games are a waste of time and money. I can play older games for 1000s of hours

it's not a waste of time. It's called a PASSTIME.

Metro stared as a physical newspaper, which was given out for free. It was terrible. It's now pivoted to being free and terrible, and ONLINE. Utter rag.

Just to put the article under discussion into some sort of context. As the guy on the left states, at 8 seconds into the video, it is a "reader's feature". Gamecentral runs a couple of these reader's features every weekend. Readers are encouraged to write in and express their views on any games related subject of their choice. Gamecentral also print a disclaimer at the end of each of these articles stating that the views in each reader's feature do not necessarily reflect the views of the Gamecentral team. So, in essence, this particular article is one person's opinion (i.e. a reader's opinion and not Gamecentral's opinion) about retro games being a waste of time and money. A little bit of background about Gamecentral. The Gamecentral part of the Metro website originally began life in the UK on the Channel 4 teletext service in 2003-ish taking over from Digitiser which had been on Channel 4 teletext for the previous 10 years or so. Towards the end of, I think, 2009 the Channel 4 teletext service closed and from then on Gamecentral became online only on the Metro website. As well as the reader's feature Gamecentral also has topics such as news, previews, reviews, reader's letters. New content is uploaded by the Gamecentral team onto the website every day.

Ian had a great point about "different name, same game" - it's true. Too many games these days are variations of the same thing. And I detest sports games, but you CANT include those in that bracket Pat, how do you make a sport game different? It's the same sport. Same rules, same physics etc.

Problem is not retro games and backwards compatibility. We’ve seen this with consoles as far back as the Sega Saturn and rushed it to market before they had anything resembling a catalog of games. N64 was abysmal their first year. PS3, PS4, PS5, Xbox One, etc. These consoles are generally very weak on games the first year or so after release. They need some gimmick to get people to let go of their old consoles and buy new. They use the backwards compatibility as a bridge to get them through the first year I feel like.

I think that last point you guys brought up have issues stem from open world as a genre in general. Open world/sandbox games will always have their place, but they're games without a sense of direction. For the most part, they're games that just open up and let your take the wheel. And while that can be quite liberating and fun, it also means missing out on a massive design point to games, direction. No direction means the experience is left up to the player, which often times just meaning random chaos, lol. Which again, is a ton of fun, but not the same experience as a tailor made one crafted specifically for that title and will lead to a lot of that same "familiar freedom" you gain from all the other openworld/sandbox titles.

I'm so happy you guys are saying this stuff. I've been saying this for years about remakes and nostalgia being manipulated as a quick cash grab. And that push towards photo realism is so lame and is just boring. Stray is definitely way more interesting than all the AAA games coming out.

I'm in a weird zone with reamkes where I am sticking by old franchises like SOR, Spyro, Crash, Tony Hawk coming back, but I WANT them to make new games, and innovative/evolved new games already, the main reason I bought the remakes is just to support them making NEW damn games. Then when they do make a new one with Crash 4 they stick to safe linear 2.5D, we already had more fully 3D crash games on PS2 so it feels a step back almost.

Retro games are honestly a waste of money. All of this shit will break down, no one cares that you have a game in the case, emulators are obviously superior unless you’re dumb, and you’re not gonna retire off a GameCube collection.

Waste of time? Watching old tv shows or cartoons is a waste of time, listening to classical or classic rock music is a waste of time, playing a game of Chess is a waste of time I could go on and on. I mean just getting up in bed is a waste of time. If anyone who wanted to play any old retro games is there time to waste.

According to a certain NES guidebook...

"Retro video games are a waste of time" yeah, but my sanity matters more than this article. Plus, I like to play games that last only a few hours instead of another 100 hour rpg.

I actually don't mind that Starfield looks like a 'typical' Bethesda RPG. That's what makes me so interested in playing it! Skyrim in space?? Sign me up! I literally just bought an Xbox Series S specifically so I'll be able to play that game when it comes out! I feel like Bethesda RPGs have found something of a sweet spot. They may be buggy as hell at times, sure, but you know where you stand with their games from a mechanics perspective. They feel familiar. They don't need to drastically rebuild everything, they just need to refine a few things

The Xbox backwards compatibility thing is basically the minimum; games consoles (Xboxes in particular) are just computers now and you should be able to play computer games from 10 or 20 years ago without too much difficulty.

I agree with Ian. I've been playing the Borderlands series since the beginning, but only got a little ways through Tiny Tina's Wonderland before I got bored. The series really needs a new formula.

I honestly feel like Pat was about to say "Well, Breath of the Wild IS just like Skyrim." 🤣

Been running game stores for well over 2 decades now. I continue to see your average gamer doesn't even know you can play OG Xbox and 360 games on the One or Series X/S. Once we make them aware, they tend to buy a few older titles. I think it's a selling point Xbox doesn't advertise enough to the masses.

I just can't imagine most companies prioritizing risky new IPs (and profit and jobs) when they know they are guaranteed large sales w certain IPs as long as they don't completely screw up a particular title. Fortunately, compared to the past there's a lot of hungry and nimble indie studios that, combined with technology advances, can make increasingly impressive games that don't feel throwaway or budget in nature. It falls on all of us to shout out these games as it happens if we ever want to change the tide on this topic.

If we’re worried about making new and interesting moves, Ninty has to be at the top of the list of offenders. They’ve been developing samey sequels to the same 5-ish games for the last 30 years.

Microsoft has been designing their chips with features to enable BC since the Xbox 360. Aside from the initial Gamestop rushes, the vast majority are using their own existing discs. New sales are much more digital.

I love the tension when Ian has a point that he won't budge on 😆

The potential of losing something; makes it more valuable. One reason most retro games (even their re-releases) comes from the very real concern of an all digital future where we don't own anything. Whether it is used feature or not; true backwards compatibility gaurantees the customer, that their game purchase will always be accessible to them and never taken away; unless they choose to let it go. In the current gaming space; it is the company that decides what you can keep or not; which shouldn't be the case. The company exists to serve the customer and in turn the customer supports the company in a health interdependent relationship. When one side has more control than the other (customers who pirate games); then it's not a healthy relationship. If the industry had true backwards compatibility (on par or better than Steam); then remakes and re releases would not be as rampant. Just take away the redirections of DRM across the board and ensure backwards compatibility forever and the industry would be better.

Retro ends up being the only way to play certain types of games. What happens with no retro is a game gets popular and the market clones it to death, I guess creating a new genre, but then the genre gets beaten to death.

Backwards compatibility is so that you can bring your old library with you onto the new system...

N64 isn't pretty..I'd pick a snes every single time(of course it was a evolutionary step, that gen , the 3d gen for all companys)..my first system was a 7800 so I go back

Let them keep believing that. It just keeps retro games and consoles a little bit cheaper for those of us that know the truth.

Black is STILL one of best shooters ever made. Certainly the best military shooter. It plays gloriously on Xbox Backwards compatibility. It’s hard to believe that the game is 20 years old

It's a feature because I don't wanna have different systems hooked up in I don't have to. If I can pop a disc into their console whether last Gen or next Gen that's the option I want. Some of the best games start coming out towards the end of a consoles life. They just want you to now buy the "remastered" version that they'll eventually.peddle out.

I love hunting for old retro games. It is a fun thing to do with my kids. Going to swap meets and flea markets and finding games you might not find any where else.

As far as remakes go, the only ones I would love would be the Donkey Kong Country SNES games. Not even remakes necessarily, but remasters. Other than that, I’m sick of seeing so many series get released and re-released every other year.

Pat, any chance on more Ultimate Nintendo books? like the N64 or gamecube books?

Microsoft started this console generation behind Sony and everyone was saying there was no significant differences between XBox Series and PS5. Backwards compatibility gave Microsoft another way aside from Gamepass to separate itself from the pack.

This podcast went from "long hair don't care" to "Grey hair don't care".

Games from the origiinal XBox such as OutRun 2 or Project Gotham Racing 2 still look great to me (but I don't care about photorealism and I'm not playing them on a large television). Of course, both of those games that I mentioned are racing games and don't feature many close-up shots of human characters. The human characters in 6th generation games like GTA: San Andreas (which I've only played on Playstation 2) haven't aged as well as the cars in the racing games I mentioned before aged but I'm a Gen X'er so I remember (briefly) being impressed by the vaguely human characters in that 3D Boxing game on PC around 30 years ago who were composed of only a couple dozen untextured polygons each (this was a year or so before even the first Virtua Fighter arcade game), so CJ and the other characters in GTA: San Andreas look positively lifelike in comparison. While I'm not about to buy an XBox Series X because I can't afford it right now, backwards compatibility is very important to me, especially now that my second XBox 360 recently red-ringed after 12 years and I have dozens of games I own on disc that I can't currently play. I may buy another XBox 360 sooner or later but it's aging hardware that's deteriorating.

I think it’s a bit of an ouroboros situation in that people keep going back to the same old stuff because triple A games devs, for the most part, aren’t doing anything interesting. I wish what they would do is use the money from the cash grab nostalgia remakes to fund more interesting and experimental projects.

In my opinion gta trilogy was one of the best releases on that year. Finished all of them and San Andreas 100%. Had a blast.

That title is so clickbait it’s almost unethical. I thought this would be about collecting older games and the danger of nostalgia for the individual. There’s a lot to be gotten out of a well made AAA game. I played the hell out of games like GTAV, Red Dead Redemption 2, Skyrim, Fallout games. I look forward to Starfield for the space combat aspect of the game. I don’t know if a big game studio would venture into something different.

I feel Ian is wrong on starfield, what's his explanation for the Fromsoft games too? Most of their games are very similar to each other but are also different in their own way. His point is basically saying that zelda 2, metroid and kid Icarus are nintendo stagnating because they are all action side scroller games. The leveling mechanics are similar, but how is ship combat and creation similar to something in skyrim? Why should Bethesda, a studio for that has been making open world action adventure games for 15 years, change it for a new IP? Im not saying starfield will be perfect, im not even going to buy it at launch, but saying that it's a bad thing it will be like skyrim is not a great take.

Not sure how Xbox's now finished backwards compatibility program has anything to do with the rash of remakes and remasters. The people who were working on making a bunch of old games run on modern hardware, and giving some of the old games enhancements, aren't the same people making new games. It's not a zero sum proposition. Thinking people wanting to play old games they enjoy is some how stopping the industry from making new things is a hell of a take. As for remasters and remakes, I'd say RE2/RE3 remakes success kicked off the current trend. I say trend but is there all that many full on RE2/RE3/RE4 style remakes even happening? TLOU part 1 seems to be about the only one that comes to mind that's worth mentioning from the AAA space. Remasters also aren't really new and they are usually farmed out to places that literally specialize in doing them so how exactly does that prevent new stuff from being made? Also, what's so bad about having older games available on newer platforms? Aren't we all about preservation here? Personally, the monetization of modern games is far more threatening to the hobby. Gaming's been doing reamaster's since the 90's so I'm not sure why it's suddenly a bad thing. Anyone remember super mario all-stars? How about all those dragon quest remakes on the SNES in Japan? How about all the remasters and updates on PS2 in those collection bundles? What about the WW/Twilight Princess remasters on Wii U? None of it's new and some how the industry has kept on making new stuff right alongside it.

I think backwards compatibility is good to have an instant library of playable games. Every generation, there is a chance of people jumping ship to another console. From PS2 to Xbox 360. And all of a sudden, all of the gamers who jumped never played halo and a bunch of other games, and then they could. Buy a 360 with ah hard drive, and have access to a bunch of previous gen games. Should it be the central focus of a new box? No. But it is a nice to have.

Just reading the title of this video, I thought it was going to be about them making retro styled video games based on old games. Like shovel knight for example. And saying that those kind of games are a waste of time. And if that was the case, I would agree. It isn't possible to now make a game, that can reproduce the same games from the past. Or... something.

I'm actually slowly moving away from modern gaming. I started with NES and I own all 5 PS's, all Nintendo's except GC and VB and an XB1 but I think after this gen I won't be buying any more consoles.

Why would anybody ever watch black and white movies like Seven Samurai, The Killing, or Citizen Kane?

Retro is the best...when I put a cart into my Nintendo I don't need a 2GB update....which is nice

I have a different take on this than you guys. Been to the Steam or Switch storefront anytime in the last few years? There is just crap pilled upon crap. You have to wade through so much of it to find something that is worth your time and money. You don't want people putting effort into remakes so they can keep shovelling shit in our faces?!? Most of the 'modern' games I've seen are tired and boring. They are soulless and bring very little new. In some ways I think a lot of the already good game ideas and mechanics have been mined. Why not improve on the gems of the past so we can enjoy them with a new perspective? I'm finding that I frequently enjoy playing older games that I do anything modern. I'm pretty thankful for good remakes. I think the only problem currently is the cash-grab pump out any old IP for a remake. This doesn't mean remakes are a bad thing per-se, they are just bad when done poorly. Also, I'm keen to potentially revisit some of these old games through VR. It can make a huge difference. Wouldn't it be awesome to play something like Dungeon Keeper 2 or Black & White in VR? I know not everything is suited to that medium, but a lot of older games would be, e.g. Thief series. Doom 3 VR was awesome. I hope they keep 'em coming.

Just got my retro tink 5pro and I'm in hog heaven!!! physical media till I die, then my kids can sell them for a fortune. Modern gaming is killing itself with DLC and non physical games.

A lot of new games don't sell well there is just people with different preference

Just wanted to place my bet ahead of the official CU Podcast reveal of who Fake-Tommy is.... The identity of our wonderful imposter caller is non other than: Emceemur! I'll take my reward in a single acknowledgement of this post if I am correct. "Mr. Self-Improvement". ....or just ignore me.

They were smart not to put their name on it. Phil Fish moment.

Shut up Ian, give us skyrim in space.

Ian calls out PS1 games, but for me as a retro gamer the N64 has impenetrably UGLY graphics and bad controls. Sorry, I just don't have the nostalgia goggles

After ffX I have had a hard time getting back into FF. Once they got rid of turn base I lost touch. Would love if Square went back to the old system.

As a young person, retro gaming is flawed but I really like it and respect it.

I’m playing ff10 currently and Mario 3 is the goat platformer. I play new stuff too and beat several new games this year including Horizon Forbidden West. I still go back to old games regularly

You can like classic cars and modern, so why not games. DLC, disgusting loot boxes put many off new games, let alone paying lots of money and not even owning a physical copy!

counter point: "do you like money?"

this is a good debate to have because there is s fine line that the industry needs to walk and if we don't chide them for sticking to formulas they will never innovate even if we do like some of the formulas and want some to stick around

Retro Video Games are totally a waste of time. Most of them are total garbage-and not just by today’s standards. It’s similar to vintage cars. Yes, cool to look at and learn about the history. But there are very few you’d actually wanna drive routinely because everything about it is so outdated and obsolete.