Okay, I'm seventy one years old. Throughout my twenties until I was married, I drove sports cars. Triumph TR4, MGBGT, the 1st Datsun 240Z in the Buffalo, NY area, a Saab Sonnet. Then I got married and went into business, utility vans & pickup trucks. Recently I decided I no longer needed a pickup. Jay Leno said you can't drive a Fiat 500 Abarth without a smile on your face, and one of friends has a Mini Cooper S. I found the Mini is to low to the ground for an old guy 6' 1" and 250#. I didn't think I'd ever what an automatic in a sports car, but the 6 speed auto is great for an old guy with an arthritic left knee. I absolutely love my Fiat 500 Abarth, with it's real red leather buckets. No fake bonded leather. Everyone comments on how comfortable and roomy it is. At 71 driving is fun again! I'm going on vacation to Maine, I'll take all the back roads. VROOM, VROOM!
You've definitely had some fun cars. I'm an older guy, too, and used to drive a 280Z. I now have a Fiesta ST, and yes, driving is fun again. Hot hatches are where it's at for me.
Im buying one because.. with my '97 Toyota 4runner being the unreal reliable vehicle it is (sold a tracker v6 fun truck), I've decided I need something for fun!✔️
I genuinely wonder if anyone is going to see this comment, 5 years after this video was made. I had a 2013 Abarth in black with red accents. I traded it in for a 2018 Kia Stinger, a car far quicker, far more comfortable, far more features and far more practicality. I've owned the 3.3L v6 Stinger for 3 years and I miss my Abarth every day. That exhilarating exhaust note on the Abarth is one of a kind.
My biggest hesitation towards trading up to a Type R is losing that charming roughness the Abarth has, and your experience seems to sum that up well. If I can find the space or the time, I guess it's best to keep the Abarth as well?
I really love how this channel shows the under body of the cars and then discusses the mechanics of the suspension , sway bars, control arms, exhaust, header, etc. No other car show that I watch puts the car(s) on a lift, show it off, and discuss what makes it handles oh so great (or oh so like shit, lol).
kenshin moriame yes meanwhile instead of being subjective, they laugh or make jokes about some cars, I am sure the mechanics wife, when he got one, looks like a train, wouldn't it ugly to laugh about????? More serious. Or let me know which car you drive, and I make a test about.
Engineering Explained Kinda showed the suspension components in depth by removing the wheels back when he did car reviews a couple of years ago. Not sure why he stopped him and Savagegeese were the most informative car reviewers.
I bought my 2013 500 Abarth new 7 years ago, I still own it to this day and have over 100k miles. I will keep this car for the rest of my life. I love it!
I have had mine since 2019! The only dumb thing it does is hiccup at 5500 rpm in 2nd. I was tuned and it went away, but went to stock when the tune went to shit.
Funny you should ask, it goes in for warranty work on Thursday. It developed a small coolant leak, which lowered the coolant level and ruined the auxiliary water pump which starts running after the engine is turned off to keep the turbo cool. Replacing coolant overflow tank (that leaked) and that pump under warranty.
If you go to Europe, Italy especially, you'll realize that Fiats are like the local small domestic car. They aren't that unique, if at all, and have plenty of other models, which are just as mainstream. They are somewhat rare and unique here, but Fiats, Alfa Romeos, Lancias, etc... are a dime a dozen over there.
@@Dowlphin um ever worked on one? I havent needed to in 120k miles in my abarth... People who actually own the car in reality like them for a reason... Maybe stop listening to the internet so much and get some hands on experience... Maybe youll be taken more seriously
@@lindahpham7395 I am actually surprised how in my backwater city here and around it I see so many of these Abarth Fiat 500s. (Unless there's a regular, non-Abarth sporty trim level of it that has the same looks. But still surprising.)
Well im nor surprised... Definitely this car isnt made for the american market. Just like any hatchback tbh. We europeans on the other hand love small cars and alot of people buy abarth since its so small yet powerful.
+mzondi1970 Oh I apologize if I came out rude. I was talking about the general american market where hatchbacks and small cars seem to be a minority :)
+ICcreepers I own 2 honda hatches and in integra. I'm considering the Abarth. oh yeah I'm 46. never owned a manual Trans. I would love to come to Europe there are so many hatches that we can't get here that I want to drive
I absolutely HATE that hatches aren't sold much here. :( I LOVE hatchbacks. Whenever the wife and I visit her family in Germany I spend the whole time admiring and taking pictures of all the Renault and Peugeots and even Honda Civic hatches that they don't sell here (which I REALLY hate) and the VWs like the new Sciroccos. Then I go home and dream about moving there JUST so I can have access to all the awesome hatchbacks!! Do hatchbacks REALLY sell that poorly in America? :/
This guy has a terrible left foot or the clutch is poorly setup. Look how he forcefully stomps the clutch to the firewall every time he shifts. He clearly has trouble finding where the clutch engages.
savagegeese If you truly must push the pedal to the floor to disengage the clutch, than please excuse my comment. Out of dozens of manual transmission vehicles, I have never seen one that requires the clutch pedal to bottom out to disengage the clutch. If this is true of the Fiat, that is a ridiculous design.
+funkingitup There are plenty of designs that require complete depression to disengage clutch all the way. Plenty of clutch/trans issues from manufacturers that release TSBs about it warning customers to clutch to floor over years. As habit and safety, namely in a car I don't own always foot to floor. Does the Fiat require it as well? Unknown, not likely though, so lets just agree we both have points?
Driving an abarth is Go-cart-fun every time. I love mine. And it s much more an eye Catcher than a Golf or that all other 0815 tuned cars. Especially it s sound. Reaction ... oh a fiat500 *girl car*...wait it looks cooler... ffffffffffrrrrrrrrrrmmm .... rear lights...and be bye. thats abarth ;)
I just got an abarth, 2013 with an intake, catless downpipe, short shifter, lowered on coilovers, and a tune..I'll tell ya what this little shit gets up and goes. I enjoy this more than my WRX and I got it for it's awesome fuel economy lol
I had the 1st model year for North America, 2012 and absolutely loved every second of ownership. So much personality in such a small package. I ran Eibach Sportline springs, and along with tinted windows it looked fantastic. Black w/ red stripes and a red leather interior. Never had a single issue with it the 30,000km and 2 years of ownership. I needed a larger vehicle for work, if it weren't for that I would still have her today.
No disrespect to the reviewer, but when he complains about the sound system, I can't help but think, who the h*ll is listening to the radio when driving a 500 Abarth?
I hate when people say the exhaust is what makes the Abarth sound good. Yes, it helps, but the reason it sounds good is because the engine itself sounds brilliant. If you put an Abarth exhaust on any other car it wouldn't sound as good. The Fiat 500 has the best sounding 4 cylinder engine ever made. Abarth or not.
Not entirely true. Most engines sound exactly the same without an exhaust, the header design, length and shape as well as the exhaust design govern the sound of a vehicle, almost exclusively.
You haven’t heard my 4AGE 20v at high RPM... but I’m watching this video because I’m interested in an Abarth. I also have the best exhaust system to come out of Japan for my engine so that probably helps the sound.
Its not necessarily the engine that sounds good. Its the fact that is straight pipe. If you straight pipe a prius, it would sound almost the same. (straight piping is when you get rid of the catalytic converter which is responsible of cleaning the toxins and silencing the engine)
I work for FIAT. So on the "EU Model" it uses a 10W50 Oil. Also the EU model has a muffler. invest some money in the 2 optional exhaust Systems. (worth every cent)
Tjet engine is a true twin cam engine, therefore can reliably make good power, unlike the multi air engine which has a pneumatic pump to operate valves.
I have an Abarth and I think you brought up some really valid points. For me, it's the craziness that you mentioned that makes the car. Abarth has always been known for their weird creations, and I think the 500 Abarth follows suit. Great review!
Easily the best review I've seen on the Abarth, to date. I own a 2013 (car #23 over a lifetime) and despite its flaws it's easily the most fun car I've owned. Eclipses 2 Miatas, a 280ZX and an 1st gen Jetta GLI. Thanks for keeping it real and doing a proper review. Oy vey to that yellow color tho...
Great review. Bought my 2015 Abarth back in November and I love it. Thing is an absolute blast to drive. It's got its funky quarks, but that's what makes it fun and gives it personality. I couldn't be happier with my choice in buying this little pet mouse on wheels
Had 2012 Abarth until last summer when Covid dropped the price on used Alpha. Will admit the Alpha is better in every way but miss how the Fiat filled my senses and scampered through traffic. It was fun in every day driving with a few mods. The Alpha can only recreate that fun on super twisty road going at dangerous speeds. Proved adage driving slow car fast is better than fast car slow.
Honestly, this is the best and most honest review of the Abarth I have seen. I owned a 2013 Abarth for a year and a half and it was the most fun car to drive I have ever had...even better than my Miata. For two people it was fine and, as you said, with the back seats down there is enough space to bring what you want. As you stated, Abarth owners love their cars, even if they have problems. I never had a check engine light come on. I did fine however, in the cold climate of Vermont, the rubber bushings in the suspension would harden up until they were like a rock, and every time you hit a bump, your teeth would rattle. I had to have them replaced twice, as they cannot handle extreme cold without hardening up. Chryslers do not have that issue, so I am not sure why they could not make one that wasn't temperature sensitive. I also had to have the lower steering shaft replaced. None of the work cost me a dime, as all were covered by the warranty. Ultimately, I only sold it because in the deep snow here in the Northeast, it sucked, as you would expect on a car that rides so low to the ground. But with all that, I still loved it. Just a short drive with that incredible exhaust note permeating the cabin has a narcotic effect. I still miss it, and if I lived in a warmer part of the country, no doubt I would still have it!
i own both a Miata and a '13 Abarth...you've been drinking too much fiat koolaid if you think the abarth is more fun than the miata. Only thing the abarth is good at is straight line speed. otherwise it handles like crap and rides worst. The only reason i still have the abarth is the ridiculous depreciation, otherwise it would have been gone after the first yr.
To each their own, Hugo. You should come to understand that not all people feel exactly the same way you do. You enjoy the Miata better, and he enjoys the fiat more. End of story. Don't try to discredit him because they don't line up with your own OPINIONS.
Ugh... I'm always bewildered when I hear these reviews. They NEVER point out the #1 thing about the Abarth. It is simply the happiest car on the planet. You simply can't drive this thing without a huge goofy grin on your face. He picks on having to raise the seat to get the wheel in a useable position. I'm curious as to how tall he is. I'm a larger fellow, 6'3", 235lb, and it was a perfect, I mean PERFECT fit. And as for the boost audio... I wanted to experiment with this so I brought some Yo-Yo Ma, Metallica, Adele, and Pearl Jam. It was brilliant! Granted, most of the time one will just enjoy the burble of the exhaust, but if you're in traffic, you can enjoy your tunes--no problem. Bottom line, the 500 Abarth is a terrific, happy little car. And for the money, there simply is no way to beat it.
@@rencaelum4396 I'm 5.7 250lb (Yes, a bit chubby) I didn't really have any problems in the one day I rented one. Beware though... Reliability is GOD AWFUL, don't go on long road trips in the mountains unless you'll have signal to call a tow truck. Its been proven, and isn't a myth. Stay safe and have fun!
@@chocolatetampon4492 I certainly hope it'd survive a 1,200 Mile road trip with less than 100k miles logged. 100k is just the breaking in point for most cars (Non-American or Italian) Give me a status update at 150k, seriously.
Bought a used 2012 500 Sport 5 speed with 35000 miles on clock. Its been over a year since purchase. Now have 47000 miles on it. Have averaged 34 mpg all year. Handles like a go kart, plenty fast for me- remember this is not the Abarth. No reliability issues. My wife just bought a demo 2015 500L Trekking, fully loaded. She loves it.
He says the sound system is trash but when he showed his EQ settings, the bass, mids, and treble were all turned up. Don't do this! It's actually best to turn down the bass maybe -1 or -2, have the mids at 0, and turn the treble up +1 or +2. Thats a broad EQ that will almost always improve "clarity" of a stock sound system. Unless it's aftermarket and able to handle more power, you should always attempt to decrease the amount of bass because of distortion, and the highs turned up to overpower the sounds of exhaust and road noise. I highly doubt savage will see this but if anyone benefits from this, please spread the word if you hear a shitty sound system in a car. They probably just have their bass turned up all the way because the BASS BROH...
My beautiful and amazing mistress it was actually a smart move, this car is pretty inexpensive so lots of younger people will be looking at it. And young people tend to adore Beats, so in a way Fiat knows their market. Hahaha
I don't know how you consistently put out such high quality productions, but your videos are by far the best I've ever seen on RU-vid. Well done and please keep it up.
@@surfside75 I'm not Clarkson, obviously, but I'm italian and I can assure you that "Abarth" is pronounced that way because he was born in Austria and it's with a hard "T" there too.
I am moving onto my second Abarth, I will say one thing to any current owners or future owners, don't just floor the throttle, the turbo needs time to catch up as there is a small amount of lag. Let the turbo begin to boost and then ease the throttle in, in addition if you change gear during this process you get some incredible back fire. Lastly, stick the Record Monza exhaust on this car, you will not be disappointed. (Current 2015 595 Turismo, Future 2017 595 Competizione)
Alex Moran I drove a s2000 at my work and was shocked at how solid the front frame is. very nice boxed frame. revs nicely. fun car. probably slightly better than Abarth overall and a good investment
Time and Time again, over the years, Soul, driving feel and charm win, over ( as he said here ) "Technology" and just straight-line speed. And I'm not saying this as a "FIAT Fanboy". I've owned BMW's, Porsches, FIATS, and Alfa Romeos, and I'll take the Italian car that wins my Heart EVERY time over a car that gets me to 60 MPH faster.
Not actually true! These cars are not a "check engine" light fest. I qwn a 2013 Abarth with 72.000 miles with no major issues! I absolutely love it! I also know quite a few other people who own one with no check engine light issues as well. I will be getting another Abarth in the near future! No doubt! The best car I have owned!
I've always read that the Abarth engine is very reliable... especially compared to the regular Fiat 500 engine. I know a happy owner with 91000 miles on his 2013 Abarth.
I have a 2012, so I am a little late to this video. Owned it for 6 years now with only 25,000 miles on it. As somebody who has owned an original 850 Spider, 128 Sedan and 3P, and more 124 spider than would be healthy to mention, one thing that irritates me is how everyone gets the seating position wrong on the 500. You do not sit upright and high so you can see in traffic or so the car feels more substantial. No, you sit upright and high because it is a small car and that is the only way to fit 4 seats in a vehicle with a 90" wheelbase. In comparison, the Miata has a 90 inch wheelbase, there is no way in hell to fit 4 people inside the wheels with the seating position as laid back as it is in that sports car. It's all about packaging. If you want to fit 10 pounds of shit into a 5 pound bag, you need to make sure it is a very tall bag.
Scott, Italy is Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Bugatti, Alfa romeo, Pagani, Lancia, DeTomaso and Abarth. Before writing nonsense studied the history of the car.
Having an FR-S, I consider it one of the best budget sport cars ever made. Not fast, but fantastically balanced with superb feel. The Abarth doesn't have that - however, it's fantastically fun. It's zippy and the exhaust note just makes you feel like you're in some bubble Ferrari. The Beats by Dre audio system really is disappointing. Very poor clarity and quality of sound. Anyone thinking of that, skip it and do it properly for $1,200 at an audio shop.
Great review, made me want one. Refreshing to watch a review done by knowledgeable even-handed people with a positive outlook and a novel approach e.g. when showing the underside which I've not seen and appreciated before.
Most of the people that own one of these start adding electronic devices to improve engine performance. That resulted in lots of throwing codes. I sold my 2013 after 6 months. I loved most aspects of the car. I got tired of filling it with gas every day. I had a long commute and the Abarth made it fun. But on the way home the gas light would come on. I got 25mpg driving the snot out of it. The light came on with two gallons left in the tank. I had to fill it every day. Used ones are stupid cheap now so I am looking for one with the color and options I want. Great review.
It's fun to re watch these old episodes which I religiously watched as soon as I found out about it. Strange that you guys have been, in some small way, part of my life with a viewing habit for 8 years already. I still miss turbowski sometimes but you have become the best car reviewer on this platform. I bet there were times you wanted to quit or doubted if this RU-vid thing would really work out but look in the comments, it's non stop; you are the best car journalists on You Tube, best, best and as you proved with your review of the Civic Type R, if you can get emotions captured so that we see the joy, or disgust, people will respond because the emotions are real, but to actually film that in such a beautiful way is not easy. Takes probably lots of hours to edit that so we the audience "gets it". Mad respect Mark, you are a rare breed. May God bless you richly for all the joy you have given me these past 8 years.
What an in-depth and utterly enjoyable review, expertly and superbly produced, professionally edited, and at the same time super insightful. After seeing your unbiased and sincere reviews, anyone considering buying any of your reviewed cars knows exactly what they're getting into. You are going places, big time. Thumbs up! P.S. I live in a country far away and I am very happy to share your work with all my friends who are car enthusiasts.
+Mihai Scortea Thanks, glad you are enjoying these videos and they are not just a total waste of time. It's always funny to me that people far and away find them and like them.
I bought one of these cars and don`t care-a-less how reliable it is. It is easy to work on if you care to wrench it. I have also owned the same tool box for forty years anyway. . . .Lol. I forgot to add: It`s the funnest car I have ever driven [for the money].
My Fiat (not an Abarth) needed a new Steering Rack after 45k (Km) cost from Italy was around $4000. Fixed it then sold the car for $7000. So yeah, better luck to you.
I have a 2013 Abarth. Your assessment of this vehicle is spot on. It does however confuse me that they even put a back seat into this vehicle. They should have made this car a two seater and put a spare tire mount into the back. That would have been far more practical for this car.
Nunya Buzinezz I took my rear seat out and it changed it for the better. with a socket set and a torx set I had the rears out in just a few min. it's the best mod to do to this car. now I can fit 2 guitar amps and 3 guitars without issue.
Christian Forbes Are there kits available to make it a covered storage area and/or carry a spare tire? I’m thinking of buying a 2013 to mod it but I live in Montreal and despite garaging it I will have some snow & cold issues. Alternative is new GTI or NC Miata.
What a great run down for this car, I'm bias because I have one. I'm on my second 500 and it's one of the few, if not only small drivers cars (the car is small, I'm 6'3") left in the US besides a Miata. The Mini has gotten too big for me and it is no longer the go-cart it once was. I have a 2019 and it is the last rendition of this platform, it will no longer be available to us. Even in Los Angeles this car is unique, no one expects that howl coming from it's ass- straight pipes? Who the hell does that? Fiat does. So since I won't need an aftermarket muffler I purchased a set of coilovers and a sway bar, see you at the track.
This is one of the best looking cars I've ever seen and I don't understand how it's being presented here. Same in many other reviews. This is the coolest thing on the road in fucking years.
I think your assessment off the reliability is way off. I've had mine for 3yrs and i live in AZ where it gets 117 degrees in the summer and it works just fine.
I know this is one of your older videos but I had to comment..I earlier this year, traded in a 2015 Fiesta ST for a 2013 Abarth....Absolutely loved the Fiesta but I wanted a change...in terms of pure driving the Fiesta has it all over the Abarth...however what makes the car so good can also leave you a bit cold...it lacks a bit of personality like modern VW's...the Abarth..the minute you start it up makes you grin..the crack of that exhaust....the backfire on a downshift...and the car itself..got mine for about 10K USD...would never buy one new..used though..for sure. Thanks for your great video...car honestly hasn't changed much from 2013 to 2016.
Final, Final Thoughts - Ok, I think Fiat is onto something. A simple car that's fun to drive. Brilliant! Now if somebody would get rid of the dimension sucking black holes known as "Infotainment", Butt-Wipers, and Automatic Tampon Dispensers... Oh, and give me hand crank windows, and a simple radio - the kind that fades out under underpasses. Thank you.
+dan noyes There you go. "Infotainment" is such a gimmick if you ask me. Let's load the car with all this nonsense and poor visibility but then create a bunch of nanny's to drive the car.
Love your yellow Abarth~ great racy color scheme! "There's scorpions everywhere" hah, so right on. I can fit a week's worth of groceries in my 2017 Abarth (but I use the front passenger seat as well). Wow, I'm getting 39 MPG in mine. But, with that said, I don't take it to the track or sling it around at all. It is my daily driver. You are so right...the driver feels connected to the car when driving. You nailed this review perfectly. Loved it! Thank you for sharing; I subbed.
I have a 2012 non-Abarth, regular Fiat 500. So far it has been very reliable. I had one warranty repair to fix a loose steering column and one recall for the clutch pedal.
Probably the best all-around car review I have ever seen, and that is saying a lot. You answered a lot of questions I had, from cargo capacity to understeer capacity, to the meaning of fun in a car. Kudos to you, I have watched probably thousands of "reviews" over the years and you nailed the right balance between information, expertise, mechanical know-how, and driving impressions. One thing though, the pronunciation: Italians, tend to say "eh-BART,' " while others pronounce the name "AH'-bart," accenting the first syllable. It's definitely not "A-Barth"
I really enjoy the Hill-Start control. It is by no means necessary when you are skilled and quick with that clutch pedal and throttle application but i find it nice to have in certain situations. Had it in my 15 Fiesta ST, in my 15 STi and now in my 18 Focus RS. And frankly I never felt like it was invasive, holding back the car and risking to stall it. Of course it’s a feature that the hardcore gearhead will most likely shit on saying it’s for ppl who can’t drive but it can be really useful when you have someone behind you who seems to really like hugging your rear end. No need to stress out wondering if you’ll be quick enough to roll off without rolling back a little and risking to hit it. Or maybe when the music is a little loud and you can’t hear the engine much. (I find it difficult to do a good start when I can’t hear the engine...)
And now for something different but much the same! I had a 2005 Fiat Punto Abarth 1.8 litre 16v 5 spd pumping out a whopping 130ps. As an automotive engineer I decided to do my magic on the engine and soon found out that Fiat had used the Hitachi MPI self learning ECU in the thing that was not flashable, reprogrammable and not piggy-backable. The only aftermarket go-fast goodies was a set of very expensive camshafts from Italy and a seriously expensive stainless steel go fast exhaust also from Italy. What was I to do? I picked up a practically brand new engine and transmission for nothing from a friend of mine. Once I stripped the engine down and taken the deck height measurement I decided to develop a stroker kit to increase the capacity from 1747cc to 1956cc. I used a Fiat 1.9 JTD diesel crankshaft and uprated Alfa 2.0 litre TS clutch assembly and a 1mm oversize set of pistons with a static compression ratio of 10.6:1. The rotational bits were balanced as was the piston and rod sets to half a gram of each other. The standard cranks stroke was 82.7mm and the JTD crank was 90.4mm. I had to order a set of custom H-beam connecting rods from Australia (a third the price of here in the UK) and had the head porting cleaned up, combustion bowls optimised and the intake and exhaust ports gasket matched. I got around the fueling by changing the injectors and ran a return line back to the fuel tank with an external adjustable fuel pressure regulator bypassing the regulator in the fuel tank. After the engine was run in the vehicle as dynoed and corrected hp at the crank was a smudgen under 160hp. So how does it go? Lets just say that my Fiat has enough grunt to hit the rev limiter in 5th gear which is 140mph on the speedo but the real fun is in the midrange where there is an abundance of torque. The bottom line is that the vehicle slays the Fiat 500 Abarth until it maxes out at 140. My little vehicle give me the grin factor everywhere I drive and is a true sleeper. Oh! The engine check light has never come on! A pity you're not In the Scottish Highlands to take an enjoyable test drive. I enjoy tour review style by the way!
I didn't buy this Fiat for storage, I bought it for fun factor-1000% fun! You feel the raw power like your flying nude on the road. I don't give a dam about the twerks of power windows etc, this car is fun and period. Just got mine last week and I drive to work with a smile each morning. I work at a very stressful job, a call center, this Fiat puts a smile when I go home. As for the speakers, who cares, only sound I want to hear is the horse power when I drive and that amazing pop.
i am a current owner of 2015 fiat 500 sport, and i would not recommend you to buy a fiat car, its just a overpriced car with cheap quality and poor user friendly design, you can definitely get a better car with the similar price from other brands.
Jimmy Yim Also, I have a 500 sport as well. It's not a bad car by any means. It does what it's intended to do. Also, great driver room. I'm 6'5, and fit very well with the tall roof and recessed dash. I would recommend it, especially in manual. (Not sure if they make an auto version)
Top two finalists for me were the abarth and the 2007 Miata. Could barely sleep trying to decide. In the end I went with the Miata mostly because of simplicity and holding its value better. I have a feeling I will always wonder if I should have went abarth. So much fun. I came from 17 years of the mini. People that hate on the abarth need to get in one.
Funny when a technically advanced car is in their presence they sound so ignorant. All the laughing but it shows they don't know what is truly in their hands compared to the masses driving around the streets. When you are tired of the day to day grind, sit behind one of those and let loose.
Then why comment about something you did not watch, again like so many others if you watched it you would see that the car is praised for so much of it's character and fun to drive nature.
savagegeese savagegeese what? My girlfriend doesn't giggle as much as you two dudes..huh huh that color coolant makes me thirsty, shoulda called them idampers..dolts...WTF man?
