Revised exercise for the longus colli & longus capitis 

Thanks alot man

Lol I think it has the same effect for me

When you say between the sternum and adam’s apple, do you mean the lower neck area? Also has the excercise helped you with nerve/ neck issues?

me too

Sounds more like a nerve problem. TOS or JOS

@@MSKNeurology TOS is thoracic outlet syndrome but what is JOS?

@@zuraiashvili8647 Probably Jugular Outlet, I think?

I once heard that you can't do too many of these.

treningogrehab.no/atlas-joint-instability-causes-consequences-solutions/

Sit straight and lean the head back

Hi! How are you feeling now?

No. Lordosis restoration devices are crap

Don't do the reverse. It will almost always cause severe over training

@@MSKNeurology Thanks for the advice. I’ll take your word for it. Gotta find a way to sit up at the suggested angle now!

Sarah Walsh have you found anything to help?

@@cecetolove Do exercises for those muscles, also try to keep a good posture and avoid supporting your head in any ways. When those muscles are weak you feel like you want to rest your head as much as possible, don't do it! Just standing straight and looking forward will use those muscles and therefore strengthen them.

his videos are really very revolutionary and he has helped me with my TOS, but I don't think he will do that playlist as he has already written one detailed article about TOS. How are you with your TOS now? Are u doing better with his exercises alr?

@@sky2833 I have been doing exercises for more than month now, i not really better yet certainly not worse either, i think i am no a right path for most part, on the right side i have a strange feeling starting from the first rib all the way to the behind the ear, it also touches my larynx, i have swallowing problem (audible click/grinding), voice problem (lost my singing range as well). I find it difficult to determine what should i do when and whether i am targeting right muscles. whats your story?

@@zuraiashvili8647 wow thanks for replying! Was really glad I found someone similar as me with TOS! I used to workout a lot mainly doing pull ups, row, heavy backpack push ups and neglecting my upper traps and serratus anterior muscle, my lats got really strong but for some reason I still can't get a straight posture and still have forward neck posture despite doing cervical retraction excercises. And goddamn it to realise I have been following the wrong advice for years, by pulling down shoulders back and down. I have also been stretching my upper traps as it felt super tight. Although it gave me immediate relief but tightness came back worse. Also I have been feeling tightness in my levator scapulae and upper traps. For me it didn't hurt much just the tightness and chronic fatigue with insomnia. Felt overactive all day but still cant sleep maybe due to intercranial tension when lying down. Then suddenly one day, I kept waking up with numbness in my hand, both hand went cold on me. Tingling and numbness mainly in fourth and fifth finger. And I knew something was very wrong. It was then that I realised I have TOS when i saw his article on TOS. Went to see doctor and the doctor said my neck was normal. But I wasn't convinced and I bought the x ray and saw my neck was really long. Could see my t1 and half of my t2 vertebrae. All symptoms of droopy shoulder syndrome and thorasic outlet syndrome. U can find the article on ncbi. Have been lifting up my shoulders by 1-2 cm ever since and I felt immediate relief, most of the numbness went away and I seemed to breathe better, much less tension in my neck! But the recovery phrase for the first 2 weeks were hell when i did some scalene excercises. Scalene beside collorbone became really swollen, and I was breathless during the initial recovery phrase. I think I overdone the exercises. But then after that period, my forward head posture suddenly improved after lifting up my shoulders. Heard lots of crunching noises in my back and neck while doing those exercises. Did you hear that noises when doing those corrective exercises? Was quite scared if those noises as I am not sure whether my neck bones are grinding each other but I think it was mainly of adhesion or fascia breaking up after years of that muscle going into spasm to protect me from further pulling down my shoulders. I'm still recovering right now, and the muscles knots in my levator scapulae have gotten smaller and a lot of tension have been reduced.

@@zuraiashvili8647 try to see a doctor and get the x ray from them if u are on budget and can't get a ct scan or MRI. Even though they think it's fine, u can see if ur shoulders are really depressed. TOS is a really contrerversial topic, that is why so many people failed to recover from it as muscles are too weak to make it through the initial recovery phrase or they think that they shouldn't be strengthening the muscles but stretching it as stretching gave them immediate relief after doing it but strengthening makes them worse. But what they don't know was that strengthening is the real solution to fixing the issue.

@@zuraiashvili8647 try focusing on all the big muscles like upper traps first before going into the smaller muscles like scalene muscles. Don't hinge at your neck can help with your TOS tremendously.

You're missing the point. Doesn't matter if you restrict the hose for 5 seconds. It matters if it's being shut for hours.

Yes

It's not possible, no. The SCMs will always be activated to some degree in cervical extension-to-flexion as that is their design.

That's what I said, isn't it?

@@MSKNeurology sure is boss. was just surprised at how terrible these muscles function in my case. thanks

@@werdtothewerds If it's difficult, it's usually right. Good job.

@@MSKNeurology 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

If you're feeling the opposite of what I said you should, then you're probably able to answer your own question

@@MSKNeurology how to counter it

I think I might have injured this muscle in an accident and have also those strange feelings since.

@@tomtomson648 you may wish to look into the vagus nerve. it runs under c1 and can wreak havoc if distressed.

which one I think I need this

Don't think I've deleted anything unless you were disrespectful. I can't remember to be honest.

@@MSKNeurology i don't think i ever was disrespectfull (youtube commentary wise). Never mind. My question was : when I do some of the neck excercises you advise to do i feel weird sensations in some of my fingers and/or patches of my body. I take is as "my body is putting itself in order and i should carry on" but I hope i'm not doing myself any harm. What do those pin and needles ans/or cold and iced sensation mean ?

@@lazlokonia8237 Then, for sure I didn't delete it However, your question is too vague. I have no backstory and no idea which exercises you're referring to. That said, on a general notion, reduce the reps until the aftermath is tolerable. Watch my "reps and sets" video.

@@MSKNeurology it happens especially with your longus capitus exercices and also with "Angel walls" (when I rise my hands)

@@MSKNeurology and thank you for your kind answer

Can someone answer to my question?

Neck hinging

I had similar issues with exercises like this. At first, I also thought it had something to do with the proximity to some nerves, and while I can't totally rule that out, in my case it seemed to be the result of those exercises affecting my ability to breathe by messing with my posture that induced the panic symptoms.

@@doctorshutup9817 it definitely affects my breathing too. The vagus nerve goes right between the longus muscles. Eventually I would assume you were able to tolerate them without panic attack type symptoms? Or did you stop once you achieved a certain level of reps? I’ve built my way up to 1 set of 12 reps, 2 days per week and have been progressing pain wise, but still get anxiety

@@powershowgames9410 TBH, I have some mixed feelings about the usefulness of some of these kind of exercises. Perhaps if you have whiplash or something severe like that, it may help, but even in later videos, kjetil(MSK neurology) states that he hasn't had a ton of success with these deep flexor strengthening exercises and opts instead to practice sitting with a good, long-neck posture. Personally, the root of my problem seemed to be costochondritis resulting from an injury that threw my thoracic, cervical, and lumbar spine out of whack. I've been having a lot of success using a device called the backpod as well as relaxing my suprahyoid muscles (thru massaging and good posture) which seems to be helping me actually KEEP my progress. One of the major obstacles in my experience is, if this has been going on for some time, each segment of the spine can throw the others back into disarray if not resolved.

Just keep at it with some patience. Don't try to reinvent gunpowder.

@@MSKNeurology thank you

You could touch the side of your neck you want more to work for better brain muscle connection. Or close your eyes and move them right to left. See if you can feel the neck flexors being activated at the same time and use that during flexion. Or touch your temple on your weak side while flexing, or have someone touch it for you.

Watch my "sets & reps" video

ish, you're training too hard

Be careful, if you overdo this you will feel like shit for weeks.