It's only a SOC so totally doable, but, IMHO the current unibody aluminum should be way better for heat dissipation and the smallest possible footprint.
I saw a video some months ago with a guy building an identical case like tis but 3d printed and making it same as functional with same 1 fan but 120mm Noctua If im not wrong and looks amazing
A Ryzen 7840HS mini PC could totally fit on this thing and the latest Ryzen integrated graphics easily beats the 10-year old Radeon Pro GPUs. Just need some USB dongles for the I/O
I think Apple should make a Mac Studio that looks like that. It would make so much more sense as an Apple Silicon design than it ever did as an Intel design.
@@KrzysztofPiwowarczyk I'd say Studio looks like a tall Mac mini. The Cube with its translucent plastics and all looks pretty different, and the cooling in that was vertical like in Trash Can, albeit without a fan. But anyway, yes, I think the trash can would be a great design for a cooler Apple Silicon chip, though come to think of it, it was shaped like that in part to accommodate the CPU + separate GPUs, something an Apple Silicon system simply does not have. Perhaps the Cube would be a better design for it. Apple could make one for some special occasion, perhaps, like an anniversary.
I keep one around as a Plex Server. One thing it has over the Apple Silicon Mac mini is that it has Error Correcting RAM, and the Xeon is a server processor, so it supposedly is designed to be a server or 24/7 machine. But then Apple Silicon Macs aren't exactly the most unreliable machines ever for leaving on 24/7 either.
I have the trashcan allmost all maxed out 64gb ram 1TB storage, using it everyday for photo editing. My favor machine. Just love the design on it. Using legacy patcher and latest Os. Works like a charm.
From the time I used it, Jan 2013 till Jan 2020, the infamous Mac Pro 2013 never let me down, and I managed to sell it for a decent price after 7 years! Sure, the M1 Max MacBook now effortlessly outshines it. But that old trusty trashcan really earned its keep, flawlessly handling all those wedding shoots with finesse. While looking like a piece of art in my space, looked much better than my Macbook on a stand.
I picked up one of these on eBay about four years ago. I upgraded it to the max, and had a lot of fun with it despite its limitations. However, as soon as the M chips released I saw the writing on the wall and sold the trash, purchased an M1 mini, and haven't looked back since.
I remember when they announced this… it was so cool-looking, and I was already hittin the wall with my Mac Pro Cheesegrater. I was ready to call my bank to get paperwork moving for a loan… and then the user reviews started showing up on youtube. I instead got a locally-sourced modded 2010 Cheesegrater that could run 10,11 and (barely) managed to hold on until M1 Studio. I've got a saved search on eBay for the Trashcan-but I just want it for my backgrounds when I'm filming studio videos😂. Great vid. Thanks!
I have one in my collection it works and it looks great. Visitors are always saying what is that pointing at the Trash Can. When you explain what it is they say they have never heard or seen one. I love the looks and would never consider getting rid of my trash can.
6:56 I did not have to do any of that with my Mac Pro because mine came fully assembled. Unless...do I misunderstand you here? I've had a Mac Pro and liked it just fine until... One day, it had to be sent off for repair, and it came back with less memory and an inferior microprocessor. The Mac Pro I got back was not good enough for Second Life. So, I bought a barebones PC and installed Linux on it.
I bought two of these from OWC, both used, but still paid too much! A bad lightning strike killed the first one. I loved the design, and they were fine, except for photo processing, which was very, very slow. I have a used, but perfect 7,1 now, which is great, other that trying to lift it! Very fair review. 😁
Back when this thing was released, I just didn’t get it. It made no sense to me. A couple people I knew bought them and they were like “yeah it’s not that great” so stuck with a MacBook Pro and never looked back.
I own a 2013 Mac Pro (10 cores, 64gb ram & strongest dual GPU possible) and my mother has an M1 MacBook Air (16gb ram, 7 GPU Cores). It is hilarious to see the Mac Pro being worse in graphics performance, it’s literally the weakest iGPU against TWO dedicated GPUs (optimization on hardware is everything in that case). But I found that in Logic Pro the Mac Pro can deal with a lot more tracks because it basically has 2,5x more performance cores. And I suppose in rare cases 64gb ram can be preferable than 16gb unified ram. But even though I love this computer, it’s still a bad deal and it probably uses over 10x more power consumption which is just insane.
Mac Studio basically replaced this formfactor so I doubt they would go back into this. The current Mac Pro does have PCIe lanes which doesnt really fit into this formfactor.
Great video! In my opinion, the current Mac Studio is a great successor for having a powerful computer in a small form factor with enough ports and costs $2k. Before Apple Silicon, I used to Hackintosh to get the power I needed at a reasonable price. Now going strong on M1 Max MBP!
That 64GBs of RAM is really calling my name thanks to macOS’s archaic memory management…Granted, the right call would be for me to just get a 13” iPad Pro; large enough Retina display (which would not be cheap for the Mac Pro) and no memory concerns!
I think if Apple did release the trashcan design with Apple Silicon, it couldve been a hit. Trashcan Mac = all crammed in small volume Apple Silicon Mac Pro = little stuff spread out in big chassis + unreasonably huge motherboard with almost no wiring
On August 2023 i buy a D700, 12 Cores Xeon with 128Gb 1333Mhz Ram, for 699€, add a 4tb ssd for 269€ and for generic use and 2d design is the best buy possible for me. When the M series evolutioned to the 4-5 iteration with the M4-M5 i think the situation for change platform. Tomorrow my machine is a rock solid value workstation for generic use a ridiculous price.
I’m using mine as daily driver and I couldn’t be happier Cheap investment, get the works done for cad modelling for hobby and more importantly it is easy to upgrade.
I rock one of these in my home lab with the 12 core in it with proxmox. Is actually ok for pi hole, wireguard and other basic hosting services. Yeah as long as you don't need gpu. As soon as you want gpu passthrough its a dead end.
i got gpu pass through working but only for linux. two gamers one box was possible via proxmox but quite pointless given the driver performance is awful in linux even when enabling amdgpu driver.
I loved my Mac Pro.. and really also because i have the full Adobe CS6 suite still running on it, before the subscription model went into effect. And i don’t care about 4K and if its important, there are several AI upscale tools. The only real downside i have with this IS WHEN Apple blocked the NVIDIA eGPU which was a great boots a little while before Apply broke it. At this point, some third party company needs to come up with a way to get NVIDIA back in the game for this.. and hopefully figure out a way to get a newer processor on it.
Personally I don't like that people disrespect it by calling it as "trashcan". It is just labeling it something negative, but yet extremely important in every household and every civilized city. The design is really good for the "one computer" as case. But I do say that upgrade options to get a better GPU and all, that is just the modern Apple since G4 where you had easy access to everything. The common problem with Macs is always the GPU, that you couldn't from the start just drop a wanted GPU card as your choice. The Apple's idea to make everything incompatible, be it a small notch in USB extension cables, or own connector, or simply having a firmware in card to deny its functionality. A one thing that I think that made that computer "ugly", was its black polycarbonate shell. Now, look at it in 08:17 when it is open. It is beautiful engineering! Apple waste time, resources and value for something that most people will never see or look! Like iPhone or iPad internal design... Who cares? It is stupid idea to have very specific colors and component layouts for things that only some repair service personnel will see... But if you would take the old G3 philosophy, that case is translucent.... NOW you would have real excuse to have great designed interior parts. Now take that Mac Pro and make a polycarbonate transparent, or maybe a 50% smoke translucent shell on it, so you can see the internal design. That thing would have smoked with some leds inside lighting it up if wanted! Or make the shell different colors like the G3 macs were about, red, blue, green, orange etc. That thing would have been beautiful to look on the table, other than a black cylinder with smudges and annoying reflections.
i totally love the design of the Trashcan Mac Pro and i have one and my plex media server. - But if someone could show me how to put M Series Mac mini internals into this i would be so happy.
I bought one in Nov to use as a windows light gaming machine. It does a good job and it’s just really cool to have on your desktop. BTW it runs windows 10 just fine
This thing felt like Apple had some forward-thinking intern who poured their soul into designing this thing and they green-lit it. Then the intern went back to school and I dunno changed majors to basket weaving or something and never came back, so Apple was just stuck with it.
For their meant purpose, they were crap tbh. Since then tho, they can be made into incredible machines, not for MacOS tho cos they don't use the hardware properly, but linux and vms, they're great. They been cheap for ages. Companies have been buying thousands of them and rack mounting them.
Maybe...do a retro fit of a mac mini internals, throw all of the mac pro 2013 out, replace with 1 or even 2 mac mini inside...even then it would be a massive amount of work trying make a idiotic design functional on any level!!!
Honestly, I wouldn't buy it even if it was 51 dollars. Considering how bad the performance is even after taking your time to max it out... You didn't save money. You just spent 51 dollars on someting you don't need.
I would never buy a M1 Mac Mini qith 256GB SSD and 8GB RAM... it is such a stupid specs and when you go and search for 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM the prices go double all the way up and a trashcan with 1TB SSD 10 core ZEON dual D500 AMD and 64GB Ram you can find them for 350 and it would give you a decent performance of the M1 without paying that much and with the chance to upgrade the SSD to 2TB
@@techindustries182 And the adapters which allow you to use NVME drives on the trashcan Mac Pro are entirely passive and just change the connector from the proprietary one Apple uses to the standard one used everywhere.
Same I got the 8c/d700/1tb SSD with 64 gb of ram and dual boot with windows on an 1tb external SSD and it is great! I don’t do video editing just programming so it has been fun to use.
I bought one of these a year ago for £350 and it’s been brilliant to be honest. I use it for software development day to day as well as some music production. The only reason I can see myself upgrading from it is when software stops working on that last os it supports. And even then I may just switch to Linux! I’ve got seen an m1 Mac mini for as cheap as that in the uk but nice to see prices coming down!
@@carson2646 I did try opencore when I originally got it but couldn’t get it to work with Monterey at the time so I’m still on stock Ventura. I guess if it becomes critical I can try again!
since now it's all about a SOC with low power consumption, I guess the current design is fine since it achieves this 2 things: the smallest possible footprint and enough heat dissipation.
It's currently my Plex server, but will eventually make it to my museum of failed Apple products, along with my Newton, G4 Cube, and FineWoven iPhone case.
Luke, I just bought the 2013 Mac Pro with 12 cores, 64 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD. I love the industrial art of it. It looks so good on my desk. I could not be happier. I am not a maker of videos so it works great! Wishing you all the best, Luke!
since now it's all about a SOC with low power consumption, I guess the current design is fine since it achieves this 2 things: the smallest possible footprint and enough heat dissipation.
Nah, Mac Studio is not at all the design successor to this, it's obviously just a thicc Mac Mini. Don't know how round, black cylinder with a removable lid = a brick that looks like a Mac Mini, but I'm tellin' yah the studio is just Mac Mini daddy.
Too bad Apple has forgotten this lesson. The Apple Silicon machines are all incapable of upgrades. I really don't buy their argument that storage and ram need to be soldered on. I've been an Apple fan since the Apple IIe, but design decisions like that make me wonder.
@@theairaccumulator7144 Not performance per watt. Wintel is miserable when it comes to energy, heat, and fans that sound like an F18 taking off from a carrier.
Of course you can't upgrade them they're SOC, which is what allows fast speeds, crazy low power, low heat, and silent fans. The RAM is on the SOC, and the driver controllers are on the SOC. You make it sound like Apple just uses off the shelf Wintel parts for their CPU, GPU, and storage.
The one thing this video missed was RAM. For things like samplers in audio recording, having 64 GB of RAM is good, and having 8-16 Gb RAM in an M1 Mac Mini is simply nowhere near the neighborhood of enough.
I'm a developer and I have a base M1 Mac mini, and a 128GB/1TB SSD Trashcan (which cost half as much). I set up a home lab on a budget. The M1 is fast for compilation, but won't run a decent size Kubernetes cluster. The whopping memory on the trashcan is great for Kubernetes and means that the slower CPU/graphics/SSD doesn't matter. Basically, I wouldn't be without either. Each is the correct tool for a particular job.
The one place where it still has the lead is multi-monitor support. I think you can hook up like 6 displays to the Mac Pro. It may not be a “pro” computer anymore but for normal browser type things it works great!
Back in 2016, RU-vid Space LA had these in their private edit suites. They also had RED Cameras that could shoot 6K, which was pretty radical at that time. We shot a video with one of those REDs in 6K and that trashcan Mac Pro was the *only* thing that could handle that footage in FCPX. And it ripped through 4K footage like butter. I know everything you're saying is true (and I own an M3 MacBook Pro Max 16"), but nothing has compared to the sheer power I experienced with the 2013 Mac Pro back in 2016 with that RED footage. It's forever ingrained in my head. (So much so, that I was considering picking up one of these old Mac Pros on eBay)
Yeah, I used to build those for people and sell them. Great machines. The CPU is getting a bit long in the tooth at this point but more than fast enough for most uses. Sold my last one about a year ago. It was definitely the best computer Apple has ever made.
@@gametime2473 I can still edit 6K raw video with no problem at all. I had a dual processor tray with the highest spec processors but either the processors or tray died.
@@GearZenChannel Hmmm, haven't seen the tray or CPUs die before. Usually it is the power supply or logic board that go bad. The CPUs are dirt cheap now so upgrading your current system would cost almost nothing. I went to a PC workstation with the W series Xeon. Such a huge bang for the buck.
It's weird how Apple go from a incredibly popular cheese grater workstation to a trash can design that no one adopted. And the wait for this failure to be replaced with something worthwhile seemed like an eternity
You are overlooking one very very useful function for these. Multi core CPU workloads. I use some tools where they are clock speed limited but get huge speed increases from having up to 12 cores. A 12 core unit on eBay with 1tb ssd and 32 gigs of ram can be bought for $300, way cheaper than even a 12 core CPU can for a modern PC. I run windows on mine compiling light maps for older games and it rips through themes such a great machine I may buy a second.
I think that would be impossible with how these are set up, I’ve taken mine apart and the don’t really use a traditional frame, the io board and power supply are like a slice of cake.
Sorry Luke, couldn't disagree more with you on this one. Doing video, not perfect, was perfect at the time. But it's still a photoshop workhorse, and it gave me 8 years or work before I retired it to a file server, which it still operates as, encoding non-essential video in the background while I do other things on Apple Silicon. For the price now, it can't be beaten. In fact, I just bought a newer 2019 model machine four weeks ago, for $300, just to get the D700's that I wanted for my 2013 machine, but decided to leave them in the 2019 computer. I now have two, one maxed 12-core, and one maxed 8-core. The new machine also came with a monitor, keyboard AND a mouse. Considering that just to buy the D700's was $400, I got everything and more. This little trash can NEVER gave me any problems, EVER, and was a solid working investment that paid for itself a thousand times over. It cost me over $5500 to purchase and probably grossed me over $1M in its lifetime, so I'd say it was worth the investment. I would typically burn out the CPU in five years. Sometimes it's not just about the numbers, but about the dollars. Is it perfect, NO. Was it great in my case, absolutely!! Would I buy one now? Well, I just did. And as a media server, I think it will be great. As a backup computer in the event that Apple Silicon will have a problem, I know it will get the job done, but just be a lot slower. LOL.
Yep I got a ton of work done on it all the way into early 2021, when I put my first Mac Studio directly underneath it. The cylinder was solid and reliable - and gave me two 4K retina displays at 60fps with the correct Dell monitors.
I agree! I have had mine since 2015 and it worked well for me where I was at the time. I recently bought a Mac Studio and now I am trying to figure out how to best use my Mac Pro?? Any suggestions ?
@@jswebbproductions9785 You can use it as a good media server if you have an apple tv, hosting photos and videos. I also use it to do non-critical video encoding that can just work in the background and be finished when it's finished. From that perspective, it works to do anything you want to do in the background that doesn't need a fast turnaround, but you don't want to tie up you new machine doing it. In the end, I have it also as a backup, I keep all the software I need in the event a newer machine fails, I have a fall back Mac that I KNOW works solidly. There are may things you can to do with it.
I can't disagree more. If Apple built the trashcan into a traditional chassis using a traditional motherboard with slots for addon cards, it would have been much better while costing significantly less.
This would be handy for running an older 32-bit compatible OS for longtime creatives, just for opening up older projects. I have Terabytes of 3D & AE projects from that era and before that are currently inaccessible.
Yeah maybe, but you would still probably be better off getting a dual CPU 5,1 Mac Pro since you can put a modern GPU in there. CPU isn't as fast though obviously.
@@gametime2473 You really can't put a modern GPU in a 5,1. Not anything newer than say 5 years old. Needs the apple firmware to get a boot screen, and metal support for anything above Mojave. Sure it will fit, but what's the point?
I have a 2013 Mac Pro that's maxed out... but it's not running MacOS. It's running ProxMox and is my "lab" machine and running all of my server workloads. For this use case it's fantastic - in part because it doesn't make any noise and has to live in my home office. I love it - it's attractive, silent, and (for this specific use) incredibly powerful. The interesting irony: my desktop machine is a Studio M2 Ultra. This machine proves that Apple wasn't wrong, they were just a decade early. Everyone makes fun of the Apple Silicon Mac Pro "why not just buy a Studio?" The studio, like the old trashcan, can't be expanded except outside the box using Thunderbolt, but unlike the Mac Pro, can't be upgraded at all... yet everyone loves it (myself included.) I would argue the trashcan was better looking than the studio, too.
I have one and I love mine, runs fine, I have it do all my backups, run my Plex Server, use it for light gaming (there's a few games I play that use dual GPU) using bootcamp with a decent SSD it's very useable even now. I think I paid around £200 for it a year or so ago. Plus the design is just really aesthetically pleasing and when anyone sees it they can't seem to figure out what it is
I sold my trash can while it still had good enough resell value. A year later I missed it so much because I like the look, bought a shell off eBay and it's the prop. I somehow still want the Mac Studio to be in this kind of form factor with front ports.
A good video, I must admit I was surprised you had a second look at that device, I think I might have found the perfect use for these old Macs here in the UK, you see in our schools we use Windows OS not Mac OS, so install boot camp you can turn an old Mac into a great windows computer, replace the spinners with SSD and pop Microsoft Office on them and they are good to go, try putting windows on one using boot camp and bench mark it with a modern windows computer and see the difference, also all those lovely 27" 5k iMac can find a use in schools, I would love to see that.
And this is why people like me are still running and using the 5,1 2010 Mac Pro's till now. Hell, I'm writing this comment on my 2010 Mac Pro right now!
In November Whole internet fill off rumours about apple making 12'inch M1 MacBook SE @699 Now nobody talk about . Is Apple cancel the plan I'm still exited if 12'inch MacBook relaunch again at wwdc24. What's your opinion luke😅
Tuve la suerte de comprar hace unos meses un Mac Pro 6.1, y aunque solo era la versión base con las d300, con Open Core Legacy instalé Sonoma y funciona bastante bien, y además lo compré con el Thunderbolt 27 Display (vaya altavoces que tiene!!!!) por 300€ en total.
I remember quite well when they first showed this at one of those fake demonstration’s they have. Once I saw the price tag of almost $10,000 with tax and accessories. I just said to myself good luck.👺
Honestly you can get a maxed out 5k iMac from 2015, then you have quick sync, you can have a SATA hdd or SSD *and* an m.2 ssd, faster gpu, draw less power, and get a killer display, and still upgrade to 64gb of ram. It better in almost every way!
just bought a 2012 27 inch imac i7 maxxed specs for $194, free shipping on ebay running sonoma. Blew my mind thats market price. Team old macs, minus this one
11:40 Amen, Apple now has awesome performance per watt, meaning thermals are now a trivial issue; and hates upgradability more than ever. Might as well give us something that isnt a boring grey flat box.
Yeah, the this design was always thermally constrained which is why apple let it rot for 6 years without any CPU upgrades... The newer Intel chips were not getting any more efficient and were pulling even more power. This design would easily work with Apple silicon, and if apple wanted to be nice the SSD and RAM could be placed on the back of the outside and easily upgradeable.... But that's dreaming. This is a cool looking machine, much better than a grey box on your desk.
