I never thought it was interesting. I do not understand why DC and WB are so obsessed with the SSquad. The logical next step was a game focused on another justice league member in the Arkhamverse. No idea why they decided to shoot themselves in the foot with this, it's so tone deaf, someone with half a brain would know after a second of thinking that this would make no money and yet, their ears were clogged with dollar bills.
Kratos was wrong. My expectations were hella low, and they still managed to disappoint me. If the bar was so low that it was touching the floor, then rocksteady dug under it.
To quote myself from the teaser "honestly this looks way better than Square Enix's Marvel's Avengers" - Honestly Square Enix's Marvel's Avengers looks way better than Suicide Squad: kill the Justice League
Gotham Knights is a fine game, a decent 5.5 to 6 out of 10. As long as you don't treat the game play as you would the Arkham series, and turn off certain UI elements that make the game feel a bit cheap, you'll have fun with it. Just don't buy it full price; it's definitely not worth $60-80. Buy it on sale or off of a key site, like I did.
When it comes to Gotham Knights, the best advice I can offer is do not, under any circumstances, go in expecting the story and the characters to be like the ones from the Arkhamverse. That goes for gameplay, traversal, all of it. If you can do that, you’ll have a better shot of enjoying it.
I’m convinced the game restarted development because there is no way something can be worked on for like 8 years and have this little content that is low quality
Yeah I think so and likely multiple times.The entire concept of the game is fundamentally flawed but WB wouldn't let them can the project, so they likely kept restarting development in hopes they could make it fun. Obviously there's no way for me to know that for a fact but it looks exactly like other games that have gone through development hell.
i don't trust most modern AAA video games that has tried to entertain live service tactics, and it's so clear that rocksteady is getting the life drained OUTTA them from warner bros' entertainment hubris era.
At this point when devs put, FROM THE CREATORS OF- just assume its going to be slop. When they have to jingle the keys of nostagla in your face to get you interested in something, its usually not a good sign.
It's insane how the game we thought was gonna be the biggest failure on WB's part regarding DC (Gotham Knights) ended up being more respectful to Batman and better received than what Rocksteady delivered.
Honestly, I had a bad feeling about SS from the start. Going from a game series mainly playing as Batman to a game where you play as Deadshot is a huge shift in gameplay. Also, playing a game where you kill the Justice League sounds cool, but not as Harley Quinn and definitely not in the Arkhamverse.
I think what you missed is that the DC Fandome event which premiered both of these games also featured panels with the WB Games folks. Right from the beginning they announced Suicide Squad as the live service game, and Gotham Knights as the offline co-op brawler. None of this should have ever been a surprise to people. It's weird how folks started mixing those two up later on, and some (like Gamespot as recently as last year) still refer to Gotham as a live service game.
The first mistake was deciding to use the Sucide Squad IP in the first place. It was a chance to make a flash, Superman, green arrow, or green lantern game. Even a justice league game but they decided to go this route. The movies were years ago, and any hype or interest this game would’ve gained left with it.
Seeing that reveal trailer now just hurts. I was so freaking excited for this game. When I heard it was co-op, I was even more excited because I wanted to play with my husband. Then... the gameplay dropped. Showed my husband and what did he say? "That looks dumb." When it was delayed, I hoped they were reworking things, but nope. Its just bad.
I’m a story gamer and don’t despise live service, but even with my love of all things DC/Marvel, I still haven’t been tempted to pick it up since learning of the live service stuff when it was announced.
how did you feel about the season 1 update. Where they didn't really add anything at all and you had to either pay $10 for the joker or spend hours grinding the same missions.
I remember when even a couple of years leading up to the announcement, reliable game journalists (like Jason Schreier) were reporting that Rocksteady's next game was live service. I'd never lost respect for a company as fast as I did Rocksteady. I could see the tracks were out from miles away; all I could do was wait and watch the trainwreck happen. They did it to themselves- they chose to chase trends rather than make a game for their core fans (single-player action-adventure gamers).
What happened is we as gamers got complacent with companies. We need to watch the people who developed the game and not the company’s names. We should remember the writers, the lead designers, and the full code designers, and the development team. No more Bethesdas, no more Rocksteady, no more Blizzards.
Is this misunderstanding or rewriting history? lol I don’t remember anyone being excited about Gotham knights or Suicide Squad, the reaction I remember from most people was more akin to “what? Why?”
@@willissudweeks1050 They could give Kriptonite weapons for his enemies, or can bring other evil Kryptonians to earth from the comics. There are a lots of characetrs who can stand up to Superman from the DC universe. Or magic. Superman is very vulnrable to magic in the comics.
@@willissudweeks1050 think about the Spider-Man games - Peter is overpowered he should be overpowered he’s Spider-Man Take Superman’s city throw in a General Zod invasion, a Braniac attack, Darkseid etc. suddenly Superman’s not seeming so strong and to everyone else yeah superman should be overpowered. Nobody’s looking at Kratos and going he’s too overpowered to make a game out of. You could for sure introduce kryptonite weapons or magic but I’m not even sure that’s inherently essential if you get the villains right 🤷♂️
We can all agree what ruined these games not just suicide squad but Arkham Knights as well was insulting greed and the ultimate need to make a game where we sell you as much as possible for little return and this all defaults back to the live services model we as a community need to hard line that content means extra story modes and features while add ons are shaders skins and emotes and let us never mix the two they’ll never be gamer outrage again from this gaming model
Idk if you mention it here bc I haven’t watched, but in your s1 video you talked about how you couldn’t find strongholds and assumed they were and episode 2 feature, well turns out they’re one off recycled missions with joker themes. Fantastic
I picked it up on sale. Figured if it's that bad I have to see it for myself. Turns out the game is entertaining. While I would have preferred an attractive Harley, the characters and their banter was good enough and even funny in some parts. The gunplay is fun, that is when the game isn't forcing you to damage enemies in a specific way. Fortunately season 1 toned down a lot of that. The grind though is unreal. The season pass and battle pass move super slow. Also the boss fights were more frustrating than fun, especially the Superman fight...that was atrocious. Still the traversal and gunplay make it so you can have a good time but it definitely needs more content. Kevin Conroy's Batman letter at the end of the game was a really nice touch. Nobody on RU-vid even mentioned it. When they showed the dedication to Kevin Conroy that really felt genuine. So not a $70 but definitely worth trying on a deep sale.
Any opinion of this game that's not its complete and utter (americans usually have trouble with this word. They tell me to stop using such fancy words lol) dog shit is just a wrong opinion.
@@RulerX.I get what you saying but if he didn’t talk about it the game would prolly die faster but he just keeps bring attention to it lol 🤣😂 so like he’s doing the marketing for them atp
With this game, it's clear they were developing a Superman game that was canceled by Warner, just the fact that the events are in Metropolis is a hint for that. Consequently, Warner forced Rocksteady to make this game. Suicide Squad had been teased by Arkham Origins in a post-credits scene, so this game clearly should have been made by Warner Montreal. It was handed off to Rocksteady and then WB Montreal was working in gotham knight. The live-service game aspects, loot boxes, battle pass, that's clearly not Rocksteady's idea. Similarly, for the writing, it's no longer the same writers. The original Arkham writers were Paul Diny and the Rocksteady founders, and they knew how to write. The writer for Suicide Squad is an external person, and it's clear he didn't care about Rocksteady's saga. It's not even the same team anymore, other people have left the studio. Personally, I feel sorry for the studio having to make a commissioned game for Warner, and getting all the hate from the poeples. That's my take of the situation, but clearly, it's not surprising if it's true. Warner does this all the time, whether it's in movies, games, or other media. They constantly impose their choices on creators.
If suicide squad took 8 years in development, that's around about the same time RDR2 was in development for, granted they are two very different games under different studios, but still just goes to show what happens when you don't have a clearly defined idea of what you want your end product too be.
The writing in that trailer was top-notch, it really gave me high expectations, but I guess the good writers were only hired for that one. Some may disagree with me, but I really find most of the quips and dialogues in-game cringe.
I feel like Warner/Rocksteady listened to you directly Luke in how they literally changed their marketing tactics for Suicide Squad, it wasn’t until you mentioned how you would advertise the game that a few weeks later that’s exactly what they did.
When the game was first announced I was kinda excited about it something different from Rocksteady. Then, that game play came out... they gave Captain Boomerang a gun. I just couldn't get past that.
Today is the day you got me. I avoided Last of Us Part 2 spoilers like the plague. Wanted to play it on PC some day. Well, major warning for all the people like me, or the ones watching the show and excited to see what happens in the next season. This video seems to have a major TLOU2 spoiler coming out of nowhere. Really unfortunate.
When this was first revealed on Fandome, there’s another video with Sefton Hill presenting the first look at the game and from that bit I could already tell there’s been a change of vibe in the way he did it. He seemed less enthusiastic and not as confident in it as when he was in the Arkham era especially Knight. Now that he’s gone and the game has shown its true colors, I can probably see why
I recall the same feeling for Suicide Squad that I had with Gotham Knights: wary, but optimistic. And just like with Gotham Knights, my anticipation plummeted once I saw some gameplay.
If any good comes from Suicide Squad, is Rocksteady now knows what they are good at and what they are not. IF they ever decide to make another DC game, I'm sure it will be better than this.
Cyberpunk 2077 is the reason I watch Gaming news. I swore to know when a game is waving a 100x100m Red flag and punching it in my face. Maybe back then I just thought that Red flag is just their engine lol
You didn't know that WB execs were infatuated with the recurrent monitization trend that other companies like EA had followed and ignored the truth that SP aka single players don't want that in their games. Nor do they want their SP game studios forced to make multiplayer monitization games. If a company wants alive service game create alive service studio. Hire experienced live service developers engineers producers and directors. Hire those people and leave your SP studio and developers out of it. Now we hear that WB may make Hogwarts into a live service game. If they do that it will fail and the WB execs who pushed it should be fired.
ill be honest seeing the original reveal back in the day with what was obviously braniac made me think a superman game by rocksteady was being made for a minute. then I heard Harleys voice and i immediately lost all hope. I felt more disappointment hearing her voice than when i found out some of my exes cheated.
Suicide Squad looked much better in the reveal trailer. The graphics were much more dark and gritty than the game ended up being. Now it looks like a game for 10 year olds.
I fell for Cyberpunk when it was announced and launched for PS4, because at the time I didn't have a new gen console. "It's CDPR. How can it be bad?". Then it came out and all I heard "Well you got it on PS4. What did you think was going to happen?". Don't give me that shit. Witcher 3 was on PS4. Horizon Zero Dawn was on PS4. Ghost of Tsushima! CDPR said repeatedly that it was gonna be fine. It took a lot for them to right that ship after that for me. Getting both current gen consoles helped with that. LOL But now Cyberpunk is one of my all time favorite games. I don't see that ever happening with SS:KtJL.
I enjoyed it! I don't think it was amazing by any means, as there was a ton of repetition in the missions, but I think the character interactions were definitely a highlight.
I liked it too. People didn't even gave it a chance. And even if they did, they just did the bare minimum, and shit on it. Like I saw people complaining that the characters 'play' the same (I saw these same people spamming the same momentum ability trough the enetire game, because they didn't even unlock all the momentum abilities). Which is not true. Fully maxed, upgraded characters play very differently. Also saw people complain that the combat is slow. But there are ways to speed up the combat. You have to learn prfect timed strikes tho, that way your character will hit twice instead of once. Nightwing has a combat boost, which speeds up his combat, to a degree that it's difficult to control. ;P I really loved the character animations. I can recommend this game to DC fans, or fans of the four main character.
@@bloodyassault803 My fav was NIghtwing. His fighting style is so fast (if you unlock his speed boost powerup) I also loved his complicated history/feelings wirh Bruce, and the fact that he also had to deal with the expectations of him being the 'older brother'.
I got very lucky with Cyberpunk. I only encountered 4 or 5 bugs, that I noticed, but they usually were resolved by reloading the save. I had a ton of fun with the game at release. The only thing I could think as to why I had a great experience is that my computer is pretty mid. My computer could only run the game at 30fps no matter the graphic quality. Maybe it was just more stable at 30fps? I don't know, but I had no game breaking trouble with it and didn't understand what people were complaining about.
Probably because the best version was the PC version. I played it on a base ps4 and it was bad. I still had fun and beat the game and had a fun time but I had crashes and other stuff get in the way. I still stick by the game as being one of my favorite games but it wasn’t a finished game when it released.
7:50 Can't help but notice all the mobs just standing around doing nothing during this part. RS in their heyday seemed to think it was important to make the mobs look like they're an imminent threat, but these days, devs can't even bother.
I was skeptical from the very first trailer. None of the “humor” landed. It’s all that hacky Marvel movie humor that’s meant to target overly agreeable people who will laugh because they think they’re supposed to; not because they actually find something funny. And then the big reveal was that it was another “What if super heroes were evil” story that’s been done to death. Any hope I had that the game would actually be good was entirely based on me giving Rocksteady the benefit of the doubt because of how good their Batman games were, but at no point did I ever think anything they showed for Suicide Squad looked good.
The whole premise of the game is just so unappealing in my opinion. If they had a Justice League member trying to save the rest it would have been a whole different story. That and if they actually made it into a campaign driven single player experience. Could have been spectacular because clearly a lot of effort went into the graphics. It's a shame they turned it into a free to play type design disguised as a AAA game.
I was out as soon as the announcement trailer released. The dialogue was atrocious in just those few minutes. Atrocious modern-ironic-disinterested dialogue + characters and team that are completely uninteresting + a typical modern "muh heroes are the bad guys" scenario = all the red flags.
Dude you gotta move on bro they can't hurt you anymore they have failed themselves and the audience giving this another minute of air time is just not worth it lol
I hate the game space now. You can't count on anyone or anything. Even if you like a game when it comes out (on the off chance a game works properly on release), they will probably change it and fuck it up. Like I love R6, but it is still changing after 9 years, and not just adding new operators. You constantly need to re-learn games and change your play style or loadouts or re-spec your skill tree. Annoying
demons souls and bloodborne were flops, despite loud minority who wont shut up about them. like bloodborne is almost 10 years sold less that the last of us 2 in 1 week.
@@vault29ayou have to realize fromsoft didnt spent 1/10 of what noughty dog spent on their game... So no, its not a flop... Compared to gta every game is a flop then, or is it?
@@vault29aYou can’t just expect a game is a flop if it didn’t earn as much as another game. A flop is dependent on the quality of the game and the budget they had for it.
I think the announcement was the only thing that went right with this game. It was everything that followed that ruined the hype. From my perspective anyway.
I’m glad even at that 1st reveal my thoughts were: “this does NOT look good, I don’t like this, I don’t wanna kill evil Superman I wanna play as Good Superman” & I was right.
I remember not being impressed with the trailer and its all been down hill from there. Lol. Looking back the trailer looks more interesting than the game that we got! Lol
I pre ordered this game was so excited came closer started seeing all the leaks and I was alright can’t be that bad then everything I feared about it I canceled my pre order and watched a few reviews to change my mind for every 1 good review I saw thirty bad ones that’s when I knew I made the right choice
How come we never get a superman or iron man game?? I would love to zip about the skies in a game. But no all we get is grounded based hero games. Ironman is prime for a video game!!
Gotham knights and suicide squad’s failures are such fascinating cases. They share so much of the same problem that led these games down the path they’d take and yet still so unique in how they such in comparison to eachother. Gotham knights narrative was amateur and everything and anything you did in that game feels designed to waste your time to a disturbing degree but at least it had the vaguest shape of an Arkham game and its variety. Suicide squad doesn’t even have a real narrative, you just shoot and keep shooting and jumping around until something shock value happens for the twitch streamers to post reaction clips and write up essays over before getting right back to shooting and jumping.
Sometimes I can sit, listen, disagree then m9ve on but this time I can't just leave it... Firstly: gotham knights. There was lots of backlash prior to the games release. Devs did a gameplay reveal, and people popped off over the unconfirmed live service mt's. So yes, there are loads of suits because they did indeed talk back the live service game. Biggest criticisms when released was the locked 30 frames, some muddy textures and generic mission design. It was light on storytelling and there was a lot of grinding for crafting better gear. On the whole, personally speaking, I wish they designed this game to be a sing player open world story as you play through each character at deferring junctions of the game. I enjoyed the game controls and loved the animation, it feels fresher than the arkham games in this regard. (Controversial I know) Secondly; suicide squad. I think WB are the worst publishes in gaming right now. Clearly the envy rockstar and blizzard and want their piece of that cheddar. Rocksteady are not specialised in making games like this. Just like bioware aren't. Now WB want to churn the next hogwarts game into a live service game... so that's it, rocksteady do not make l/s games and we're forced into doing it. Everything else is just a by-product of that. I read a recent article from the devs who made the ori games, who spoke very candidly about the corporate greed in gaming now. Apparently they do not have shareholder investors so they don't have to push for maximum margins. They spoke on how as an example, they do not waste money getting more devs to show shareholders that they are growing when they don't need them. They went on to explain that this freedom away from shareholders also allows them to price their game more competitively and still have big gains in profit. The article also tprefrences Larian studios stance on the greedy models being adopted by publishers and how opposed they are. So this I think is the real story of suicide squad. I think they knew what they had to make, but didn't know how to make it thus the iteration you picked up from. Also the focus of story is not going to fix the glaring issue of the game and that is the mission/quest design. Generic, repetitive rubbish is the only way rocksteady can make a live service game period!
A shame Rocksteady is done. Another casualty in the chase for a successful AAA GAAS game. Hope we see something interesting and worthwhile from the new studio formed by the founders; all this studio shares w the creators of Arkham games is studio name
gotham knights was bland and repetitive but at least it looked gorgeous, even that shot of the penguin office looks so detailed, and gotham looks stunning and one of the closest its comics counterpart. Not much to save in the story, and the gameplay was super repetitive. SS doesn't even seem to have any of that, has no style, UI is horrendous, and it's monetised to death. they managed to make GK a good game in comparison to SS
