Rhaenyra Targaryen Finds Alicent in the Sept | House of the Dragon Season 2 | Max 

THATS WHAT I SAID WHEN WATCHING THIS EPISODE!!

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This was irrelevant, Otto and gang were plotting anyways.

it was at this moment she realized... she uffed up

@@jacksonperez5615 well yeah, but still

Indeed. KING AEGON II TARGARYEN：“My father is dead.” SER OTTO HIGHTOWER：“He is. And we are the poorer for it. He was right about you.” KING AEGON II TARGARYEN：“He made me king.” _Ser_ _Otto_ _chuckles_ _derisively_ _as_ _Aegon_ _the_ _Elder_ _looks_ _on_ _in_ _fury_ SER OTTO HIGHTOWER：“Is that what you THINK?” (❝Rhaenyra The Cruel❞ 51:29-52:08)

Yes rhenera IS the dog

Joffrey was a coward. King Aegon II doesn't mind dying in a battle.

@@Papaty25 king aegon the second IS very concerned about his people and wanted to help them . That was very clear in the first episode of s2 . Joffrey Cares only about himself and he didnt Care about the people AT all .

@@دمالأسد-ب4ص That's what I said bro. In the books, Aegon is brave and wants to defend his family at the cost of his life.

Yup. Aegon will never give up the throne and Rhaenrya risked her life to plead with her former friend for peace to prevent a war and thousands of deaths. But it's too late. 😢

She did both

The war would have started anyway, Alicent didn't have voice to begin with, she was just Otto's pawn. Otto started all this when he made her marry Viserys and set her against Rhaenyra

The war didn’t start over nothing it started because it f the murder of two children

​@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849she had some power that short time after Viserys death. She could have had that whole council imprisoned for their treacherous planning on the usurping of the throne that she was made unaware of. At that time the kingsguard was still hers to command and they would have lostened had she told them to throw them all in the dungeon.

The acting is brilliant from these two. Felt like old times. The emotions, the delivery. Perfect.

It's dumb that they made that her point of view in the first place rather than giving her actual motivations to want to put Aegon on the throne. They replaced them with some misunderstanding for no good reason.

Nope. You must have watched the first season with your eyes and ears covered because it's explicitly mentioned several times that the Greens, namely Otto, were always planning to seat Aegon on the throne because Viserys was going against historical precedent when he named his daughter over his eldest son. Misconstruing Viserys' last words was just an excuse Alicent used to justify her role in the scheme on morally righteous grounds.

@@turnip9367 Yes. but the writers kind of forgot about Season 1

@@turnip9367 this! there has never been a female ruler but IRL politics got in the way. Aegon was planned regardless. A lot of money and time wasted misleading ppl with this sidequest when that money could have been spent on missing plotlines/chars/other dragons.

@@JUANORYESthe writers or just simply the viewers? Cause Rhaenyra have literally called out Alicent on being self-righteous and a liar in scenes before. It’s the audience who are literally being manipulated by the greens themselves because Alicent is literally a pos who just what’s her son to be king but she’s too religious to admit she permitted sacrilege.

"For 20 years he ferociously defended Rhaenyra's claim but he changed his mind in the last 5 minutes while losing his mind in agonizing pain."

lmao exactly this!

Exactly! Ali-quarter on the slow bus

I think deep down Alicent knew that was not what he meant just like how her specific question to Rhaenyra was did Daemon dishonour you? She knows in both cases what the truth is [in the latter case she overlooks the loophole] but her worst instincts and own desires take over.

​@@manthe3711You are so right..He wasn't in his right mind

I like how you give us recap of the scene we all saw and heard. I also like how you think Alicent's "mistake" really meant anything... War would have started anyway

​@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849bruh they're just saying what they like about the scene.. why you gotta be rude for

​@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Don't be rude

Mine Is: but she Is even hottier! She'll attract all men's attenction!

Same! “Confess “ “Confess” “Confess “ 😂😂😂😂

Shame..... Shame.... Shame....

The handmaid's tale

Eesaa 😊zx​@@bgos4727

So true. Missing the obvious conversation. Just to spice things up.

I think your just obsessed with these actors man listen to how you fawn over them

@@manwithballsonarm6775and ? ☠️

Probably because they’re both really good friends outside of the show. In truth, emma only has good chemistry when they are with olivia.

@@Groovybiha I do think that this cast have good chemistry with one another. Emma and Matt, Olivia and Rhys are also some great duos.

@@manwithballsonarm6775At least OP doesn’t have balls on their arm

Yup, when the girl sang her highest note, that was when Rhaenyra looked up and thought to herself "It's war, dragons and all"

@@ROYAL_REBELespecially when Rhaneyra said “a terrible war is looming” I just feel the upcoming massacre 💔

Agreed!!!! It really set the tone for the fighting that's going to follow this episode!!

Oh my god right it made the air stand up on my arms

@@MeleysTessarion Yes, "A terrible war is looming, and even victory may be so bloody as to be counted a loss." The fear in her voice while pleading with Alicent to stop the war, knowing well it would claim thousands of lives, including theirs. HBO shouldn't have cut out the last part; the music and Rhaenyra's expression sent chills down my spine.

Alicent mishearing Viserys didn't contribute to anything as Otto paved the way for this decades ago. They would have STILL put Aegon on the throne. Otto made Alicent marry Viserys, Otto then made her think that her children absolutely have to sit the throne, otto didn't even believe what Alicent said and was already plotting to usurp the throne. That mishearing bit was only added for dramatic effect but the war was already on the way. So not "also Otto's manipulations" but mainly because of Otto's manipulations, dear

YES. From the beginning scene of season 1 episode 1 it was established that this show, its plot, is ultimately centered around these two women and their relationship.

this was an acting masterclass, the facial expressions alone were sooo good.

@@30251’’ He changed his mind, Rhanyra >_______> He changed his mind :|||| >_> ‘’

Not an actress as they are trans/ non-binary, but yes - extremely talented person :)

@@izilovesstarmieEmma definitely got nominated for an Emmy for best ACTRESS for the role of Rhaenyra so it’s completely acceptable to call Emma an actress. Unless you’d rather Emma never win any awards for the incredible portrayal of a female character….

I hope he does find out about this. I hope Daemon does too, they'd both have strokes.

To be fair, she had no other context for what Viserys was talking about. It's reasonable that she believed what she did.

She never thought that, she probably still respects her immensly and has pity for her

​@@AWSVids Surely she would know better. She even said so herself, Viserys rambled and was hard to understand

She's "slow" for never being told this info & viserys never telling anyone other than his spoiled favorite child about the prophecy???...ok 🤦‍♀️

Only the heir is suppose to know that story. That proved everything at that moment. That she was indeed heir if he ever changed his mind he would've told alicient or aegon about the story but he didn't... Remember when aliceint attacked rhaenrya?, that knife and the symbols on it ??? ​@@judigemini178

Indeed. Gazza and Stevo are pretty catchy.

King Stev-o of the Andals and First Men, first of his name-o

@matthewriffel188 the First men and andles had a king and steve-o was his name-o. S-T-E-V-E-O.

and Daemon sneaking into Harrenhal

@@marcelofa89 😅

Next episode is more about who is sneaking up on who

and Ser Cristan sneaking into Alicent

@@hootemanny1165 into her groves?

yes and no, i agree that she should have made more allies and tried harder to have more political influence over the other lords and ladies instead of just relying on viserys’ naming her heir.. which in her defense works if she’s male but even then makes her rule more tumultuous and creates more enemies that will want to undermine or usurp (because mysaria and daemon are just speaking simple truth when they say whether even the people know it or not, they give the royals power and if a ruler is hated enough they can and probably will be replaced) but i blame viserys for her political incompetence as well. if he was going to name her he should have at least done more to see to it that she was educated in politics and war.. you know instead of making her royal cupbearer. cause if she was male none of that “don’t interrupt us” bs would’ve went down that way. they still wouldn’t have taken her as serious as the king but she would have had more respect. but then, viserys was rather politically incompetent himself so there’s that. she should have learned from someone though, like lyonel or even otto if he was going to stick around, but because otto is otto he still would have at least tried the coup so she needed to go off on her own and make strong allie’s. daemons help wouldn’t have hurt either because he did help to being allie’s to viserys side during the succession dispute. this way she has loyalists and some level of an army so the coup is harder. but if she doesn’t do this staying in KL would have been more dangerous which is how and why it plays out the way it does in the show. poor rhaenyra was very naive. with her being a woman she was always going to have to fight twice as hard to prove herself but instead bought into viserys’ nonsense that the lords must just obey them. like yes, but you have to incentivize and enforce that. of which they did basically neither. one of the worst things viserys did was marry her to laenor. he should have married laena and we’d rhaenyra to a lannister. or even a hightower. or even daemon. just someone that makes her claim stronger not just in wealth and name but actual power and allegiance.

I mean, because Fire and Blood is a fairly biased retelling of the Dance, it leaves a lot of room for interpretation on the showrunners' part. There have been some eh moments but I liked this because it really kept that fictional scenario aspect alive for me. And let's be honest, we've all been looking for excuses to see Rhaenyra and Alicent on screen again because their actors have insane chemistry.

It's not unrealistic, Kings landing is dependent on trade so they're not going to cut everyone off from kings landing people still enter and leave kings landing

@@mvdum29 I'm just happy I got to see Rhaenyra in hijab. I dont know why it's so entertaining to me 😂😍

​@@voluntarism335You failed to understand why this scene is unrealistic. A rival claimant to a throne would never go undercover alone to a meeting with his rival. It's insanely stupid and risky. Imagine if Henry Tudor went to speak with Richard III undercover in London with no one by his side. This is Season 8 writing here. To see major cracks like this in the show's writing this early on is alarming to say the least.

@@voluntarism335it is unrealistic and cringe

Allicent is a lot of things but brained washed is not one of them.

what? the whole reason for Rhaenyra meeting with Alicent was to know if war was the only option. This scene is Rhaenyra's attempt at suing for peace. but she realizes she is truly meant to be heir. it is her who Viserys believes will do her duty to Aegon the Conqueror's Dream. DUH!

@@LilPeachBooty The theft of her throne and the murder of lucerys should have been enough for any realistic portail of a mother and a entitled princess.

Alicent should have known better than to take to heart the words of a man seconds away from passing.

@@ergohash2517 to be fair this isn't the first time Rhaenyra has done something incredibly reckless like this--remember when she dared Daemon to kill her if he really cared more about the throne than her in ep 2 of last season? Still, she was much younger then, and she seems to have *mostly* grown out of that sort of recklessness... but maybe her bond with Alicent brings it out of her.

Narratively it would've been better later when more damage had been done and when Rhaenyra officially comes to the city.

@@ghostofdurruti True. Plus, Rhaenyra said it so herself that it must be her who should talk to Alicent, not anyone else, to be as convincing as possible.

Narratively they did not need this scene to happen, remember the line from Rheanys about" forgetting the reason the war started in the first place " forgetting about the misinterpretation of veserys word's would have been a perfect pay off to that.

On the other side it fits to a Targaryan better than most other aristocrats in fiction, they always had a potential for recklessness.

I don't think Daemon truly wanted Aemond (or anyone else) dead. He's impatient and belligerant, he felt left out by his brother Viserys, and so he craves for an opportunity to prove his worth in battle. He was just looking for a way to kickstart the war, and took Rhaenyra's words ("I want Aemond Targaryen") as the perfect excuse to do it. The outcome of Blood and Cheese didn't really matter to him: sure, if they were able to kill Aemond, it would have been great for the blacks, and the fact that they managed to kill the Jaeherys caused enough trouble to accelerate the events, but even if they were caught before they could have killed anyone, they would have been questioned and his plan would have been discovered. The fact alone that two assassins were able to infiltrate the Red Keep and threaten the lives of the royal family would have been enough to cause a reaction. That's why he sent them instead of going himself: he wanted them to be caught. The fact that they actually managed to kill Jaeherys was just the cherry on top that truly made the war inevitable, and that's all that he wanted.

@@Merione Still helps fit my head canon that he's a fraud.

Except the war would’ve happened regardless since the council planned this for years…

Otto planed this for Years . And It would have happened anyways. Because the seven kingdom would never accept a woman to lead them . King aegon IS the first born son and therefore the rightful heir

She could have come to the realisation even without this scene.

@@enlighten92 how, if she was not present when her father died? he wasn't in the room when he "changed his mind". only in this scene she learned his exact final words, realizing alicent misinterpreted.

yeahh and this to me makes it even more tragic. Cause Rhaenyra would have actually made a good ruler. The way she cares more about people than power, the way looks for other solutions than a war who could severely damage her family and kill thousands of people when she could have already gone mad..

People aren't criticising this scene over 'how' Rhaenyra got to King's Landing, they're criticising how contrived and illogical the entire setup is. I don't see how Rhaenyra thought Alicent would be receptive of her when the public opinion is that she ordered her grandson to be assassinated. Alicent could've just ordered the guards to arrest Rhaenyra and use her as a bargaining chip in the war the moment she left the sept. Additionally, even if Alicent did decide to randomly agree to the terms outlined, she wouldn't have been able to do anything since she no longer has any power. The realm is already at war. It began when Lucerys was killed.

@@turnip9367 Alicent knows Rhaenyra didn’t order an assasin, they used to be best friends, they know each other… Of course they’re gonna give each other a chance to explain

@@turnip9367 i respond to that to literally rhaenyra was right about her stupid journey bc alicent LET her be there. but i do agree at that point Alicent had no power, obv it was too far gone. think they wanted us to show rhaenyra had no other moves other than war

@@vilhelmstenbro5289 They were friends...15+ years ago. A lot has happened since then to drive them apart. They're no longer close, so it doesn't make sense why Alicent would listen to her. If the writers weren't butchering her character by making her incompetent, she would've imprisoned Rhaenyra and used her as a bargaining chil to negotiate an end to the war on terms favourable to the Greens.

@@michaelschaaf1155 problem is Rhaenyra already made that "this is war" face end of season 1. Then in season 2 she came back with Luke's remains and again made that "this is war" face and said "Bring me Aemond". Now we're halfway into the season and she's still trying to make peace with the stupidest of moves where Alicent could easily have her captured after she left the sept. The show is trying way too hard to show the men in her council as warmongers and the woman trying all she can to keep the peace.

The acting was superb. But the scene did not make any sense. Why would Rhaenyra risk everything? Why would Alicent not betray her right there? There is no way any of them would have known that. And they both are idiots: one for putting herself into danger and the other one for not delivering potentially a crippling blow to a mortal enemy of her sons. They could have done that with letters and voice acting or some other way... But the way the scene happened was absurd.

I'm a really great fan of this show but this scene was terrible to be honest... The writing was off a little bit in this episode but this comedy scene in the end was disappointing

People hate it because it should never have happened. Rhaenyra is an idiot for going to hostile territory on her own without a backup plan and Alicent is an idiot for not capturing her then and there. Why Rhaenyra thought she could avert the war even after her husband ordered the assassination of Aegon's son and heir, I don't know. The scene's logical literally falls apart if you think about it longer than two seconds. Plus, it didn't really serve a purpose since both knew war was inevitable and they already had their catalysts for escalating it.

It’s part of the tragedy - it didn’t matter what was happening between them, the MEN had already decided. As to some people not liking it or whatever, ignore them.

@@turnip9367Because when emotions and history (in relationships) are involved, people make the most rational decisions, right? This and responses like it are all akin to “if that was me I would have done A, B, or C.” When in reality- you’ve never been in that situation, and more importantly you have absolutely no idea as to how you would actually behave. Notice that despite the bad blood, they clearly care for one another and know the other deep down in spite of everything that has happened. The writers are filling in the gaps and canonizing the actual events despite the BOOK’s biased 3rd hand accounts.

@@torakunoichi if he was that bright, he would have sent Daemon to the Wall.

@@amorojaz27 he wouldn’t have gone and anyone who tried to touch him would die, he MIGHT go if Viserys had asked but I doubt it

@@torakunoichi but still, if Viserys had only had the guts to meaningfully punish him, Daemon would be less of a hindrance for the people around him.

yeah they clearly are. People don't want to admit it but the show is somehow about them too..they have such a deap, complex and tragic relationship..and the actresses have incredible chemistry

Uhm, she knows that war will be inevitable and bloody and that'll cause the plot to end the season sooner than what it was planned on the series.

Hush, The Queens are speaking.

Which totally doesn't fit to her character at this point...

@@Hear.myvoice besides this is a series it won't be exactly like on the books.

@@Kamo766 I was talking about show Rhaenyra actually... I love her character and yes, she isn't a psychopath but it just not her anymore.

Is the "best" in the room with us?

Which doesn’t make sense. You would think from a writing perspective, the death of her son would have been the igniter but instead she’s been on the fence and has actively undermined her counsel from pursuing an offensive. Mind you they have taken a massive gamble by taking her side. She’s been pretty frustrating to watch this season.

Je ne pense pas qu'elle se dise qu'elle est faible mais en effet elle ne la pense pas capable de commettre des actes aussi horribles. Je pense qu'elle sera surprise comme tu dis et qu'elle aura pardon et cherchera la paix

it's more that she tries to convince herself of that..

I was thinking the same thing… Who Alicent thinks should be on the iron throne would have made no difference at all to how things happened

Correct. Otto had been planning to put Aegon on the thrones for years by that point. He married his daughter to the king in the hope that she could give him male heirs, which she did, and from there he kept plotting for his side of the family to get the throne instead of Rhaenyra's. The very fact that his name is Aegon is a direct callback to Aegon the Conqueror, so that he could have a stronger claim and legitimacy later (remember the coronation scene at the end of season 1: they specifically made a point when addressing the smallfolk that he had the same name of the Conqueror and wore the same armor and weapons, so that was intentional as well). Alicent's misunderstanding of Viserys' words was just the final nail in the coffin that gave him an excuse to proceed with his plans, but if that never happened he would have found another way. Alicent herself was well aware that her son was unfit to rule, but Viserys' words reassured her that what she was plotting with her father was the morally correct choice. But now, with this revelation, her world has crumbled around her and we'll see how her character evolves. What's for sure, though, is that, as she said, now war is inevitable. Even after this bombshell, children have already died, armies are already marching, dragons have already flown... It's too late to go back.

I physically cannot rewatch the episode 😂 i tried twice already i keep on switching it off i always return to episode 2 though much better episode.

It doesn't make any difference. Otto forged this path from years and years ago ...I think they're just trying to make alicent look as bad as possible and pandering to team black as much as they can

This is a truism that's plainly evident in modern times (cough Tr*mp cough), but you're categorically wrong in applying it to Alicent. A liar has to know that what they're saying is wrong. Alicent believes that Viserys' words were applied to their son because she was never told The Song of Ice & Fire; she has no reason to think her husband is referring to some cryptic prophecy about Aegon the Conqueror. She's not repeating *her* lie, she recites what Viserys said, but unfortunately she's mistaken in the meaning. There is a blatant difference between the two.

She had obvious bastards and thought gaslighting everyone with eyes was a clever way to hide it. Then, she thought Daemon Targaryen was husband material. She was never that smart.

please stop the war is just starting ☠️ Alicent used to be her friend, they are still attached to each other and the war have consequences

Personally, I think this is gutsier than anything Arya Stark did in 8 seasons of Game of Thrones.

They made her adult version so bland and passive, like where’s the Targaryen fury???

@@Groovybiha wait a bit 🙄 she is a mother and she is supposed to be a ruler. A good ruler doesn't let her emotions take the lead. Y'all are forgetting she isn't fighting a common opponent but her own family ☠️ and the weapons are dragons which are massive destruction weapons. It could litteraly lead to the downfall of their family ☠️☠️

Only the ruling monarch and heir to the throne know about the story. Even Daemon didn't know about it. I doubt Alicent would've found it in a book.

The hightowers still rule in oldtown by the start of thrones.

The rest of the green council was already planning to crown Aegon before Viserys' death.

Did u not watch S1E9?? Otto and the council were already doing plans behind Alicent back🙄 yall just love hating on her

If she hadn't misunderstood then she *may* have been able to help Aegon escape King's Landing like he wanted at the time. Even then, though, Otto would probably have just crowned Aemond in his place. Realistically there was very little she could have done to prevent the usurpation at that point--at most, she could have avoided being directly complicit in it.

Congrats your dumbass didn't get the scene.

Thank you! I love Alicent. The most grey character in the story who has no opinion as a woman in Westeros. She lost her mother and best friend. She was used by her father politically. She didn’t have a choice on who she wanted to love or marry either. I don’t hate Rhaenyra but she has a privilege regardless that she’s a woman to have choices.

Straight facts! If Alicent thought it was too late for compromise and didn't want the war she had an obvious opportunity to end it here and now.

Aegon and his brothers are Targeyens,you don't call beala and rheana valaryons do you?

You are being sarcastic right?

Fr. Rhaenyra's plan doesn't make any sense, especially after B&C. War has already started.

Delusionmaxxing

That's just simply not true... There are phenomenal actors but noone comes close to Cercei, Tyrion or Tywin's actors.

@@Hear.myvoice Peter Dinklage was very good, as were Charles Dance and Aidan Gillen. Everyone else? Average at best.

@@redinvader Mance Rayder; Catelyn Stark especially at the Red Wedding and also JOFFREY and RAMSEY... In HotD there are three who carries this season: Rhaenyra; Daemon and Aegon

I think overall, the acting is more subtle here.