Rhaenys Targaryen and Corlys Velaryon being the only adults in the room | Part 1 

I think it's implied that they were close even before the council

Then again the sea snakes ambitions make it hard to root against viserys becoming king, the new monarch would be named velaryon and the targ dynasty would be done for good. Coryles would never allow the name to be changed and he would manipulate his way into it, who will stop him? His velaryone heir?

@@beserker1912 And also it implies that Vyseris is kind and thoughtfull man, man who wants to avoid any conflict or misunderstanding at any cost...Still, this great and respectfull trait is not good trait for a medival ruller

​@@milostosic2862 Viserys liked to please people, but in contradition, when he made a decision, he would not go back on it, he was a weak ruler tho

@@kingofdragons7 I agree

Well after all she was the HEIR. Not Viserys. She was Aemon's firstborn. As much as everyone liked prince Baelon. He wasn't the one who was meant to be king. The same could be said about his children and grandchildren.

@@piotrx6833 It always confused me that JT would go against Westerosi law by making his second son heir while his first son's line still persisted. Not like any other house works that way. Made the way open for complications.

@@aaroncohen2700 I thought about it to, and I have theory. Many people say that the old king was misogynistic but I don't buy it. He allowed women such as Jonquil Darke into his court, he allowed his daughter Alyssa to be a first Targeryen tomboy, and he shared power with his wife. So, why did he took Rhaenys right to the throne? What did JT had against his granddaughter? Well my theory is that JT had nothing against Rhaenys. He propably liked her more than Viserys and Daemon. But Corlys? That's another matter. I think that JT had a grudge against the family of his mother. His Velaryon uncle - Daemon Velaryon - supported Maegor - the same Maegor who killed his brothers. Not only that, the same uncle was the one who put forth an idea of Maegor marrying Rhaena - JT older sister and and a widow to his older brother. Velaryons betrayed JT early in his life. He spared them of course but he must have held a grudge. And then here comes Corlys the Sea snake who is now the richest man in the kingdom and wants to be a consort to the queen. I am not surprised he was a bit salty. JT was probably also jealous of Corlys - after all the fame of the Sea snake has overshadowed that of the old king and that must have been a bitter pill to swallow.

​@@aaroncohen2700 he didn't go against anything, he let the lords of the realm choose and honored the Andal law that a male comes before a female

@@kingofdragons7 the oldest male line is the one that inherits. JT broke that by skipping his oldest sons line and giving the kingdom to a younger son.

His parents were also siblings, which would make Daemon his cousin as well 😂 I guess Rhaenys is just his favourite cousin who has been fully 'cousin zoned'

Rhaenys is his favourite *living* cousin.

She died, so she could not be his favourite cousin

​@@alicebethell8069brother/cousin

Favorite non-bangable cousin

Yeah, like she knows real war. Let's see what happens the first time she's in a fight. LOLOL.

​@@jamiestewart48 she doesn't falter, even though she knows she won't win she collides with 2 dragons, one of which is a conquest war dragon and the largest currently alive and the other one she leaves both the rider and the dragon incapacitated so yeah she knows what war is.

@@jamiestewart48 You know, it doesn't mean much to say the knights are as experienced as an old lady who has never been in warfare.

​​@@klaojungwiwattanaporn6927she's like 30 in that scene 😂😂

​​@@jamiestewart48lmao dude she freaking bodies her opponents when the time comes for the Dance of the Dragons. She does end up dying though, but not before severely and permanently disfiguring Aegon and his dragon, Sunfyre. As much as I love Sunfyre, who is one of the best fighting dragons in the Dance, I do feel that she only lost because it was 2 v 1 (technically 4 v 2) given that Aemond and Vhaegar had fought alongside Aegon. But yeah, all this to say that she's been to war, she's fought in a war, and she was a bad bitch the entire way. Her comment was absolutely called for. Especially cause its true, none of those knights had been to war, a fact that is mentioned repeatedly in the first two episodes by other characters.

Ned and Cat weren't really that "balanced," though. Obviously, they loved and respected each other, but there was a major power imbalance in his favor. Cat had no choice in anything - not even whether to marry him. Ned wasn't honest with her and overruled her repeatedly. One of their last conversations was an argument about whether Bran should go with Ned to King's Landing (before his unfortunate-and-entirely-accidental fall). Cat was fiercely opposed and felt like her favorite child was being stolen from her. Ned decided that Bran would go with him, since he thought Bran could help build bridges with Cersei's children, and that Cat had to stay to raise Robb.

​@@kbrennan3836Did you say Bran's fall was "entirely accidental"? Dude, what part of "The man looked over at the woman. “The things I do for love,” he said with loathing. He gave Bran a shove." Sounds accidental to you??? Mind you that was copied from the BOOK

@@maggiejoestar783 My friend, let me introduce you to the strange human custom known as "sarcasm."

@@kbrennan3836 Ah pardon me, friend. I misunderstood.

Corley cheated on rhaenys and he has two bastards sons

I wanna see a spin off of The Queen who Was, think the white hairs would still be ruling

@@jaden2061 That would be a ''what if'' type of series, not a spin-off

Yes, he was so sure he will finally secure the succession and be happy with his true love.

@@Emy-fv5ny Should have known better.

I like her too. When she crashed the coronation and flew off on her dragon it was badass af. I keep telling myself this is Game of Thrones tho and I’m expecting the absolute worst for her lol. I haven’t read the book so I don’t know what happens, but I bet it isn’t good.

Honestly, their rise would've not only prevented the Dance, but ultimately would've prevented the reign of Aerys "The Mad King".

​@@EdwardNewgate58 yep

​@@EdwardNewgate58and the Blackfyre Rebellions

@@EdwardNewgate58But the Prince who was promised probably wouldn't have been born

@@resathe6760 Hmm, good point.

Living in a conservative and political society meant looking for highest position for themselves and for their children, at the same time looking out for the stability of the realm. House Velaryon actually played GOT well with Laena as perfect piece but Viserys really wasn’t a fine opponent to play with.

Stop applying 21st century morality to 14th century norms. Yes it’s weird but that was the only way to secure your families position and for a woman to have social mobility

Everyone already said it pretty well, but just to add I doubt he would’ve done anything to or with her until she came of age.

Like Viserys would even touch Laena at that age. Crown or no, Rhaenys would burn him alive if he abused her daughter. Also, Laena is not Alicent. She would have relished her role as queen and played the game.

Not that it changes your point, but I'm pretty sure Laena was 12, and Viserys would be maybe mid 30s at that point. Still very gross, but also common of the time period among nobles, and honestly probably a better deal than most other girls would get.

Or he could've married literally any other house.

What he really should have done is never married at all if he wanted his daughter on the throne. Honestly the best decision would have been to marry his daughter and brother from the get go and named them co-rulers upon his death.

@@marie-curie6645 Eh, I'd say he should've married into a weaker house. Like a step-below the great houses like a Rowan, or a Manderly. Someone with status but not enough to threaten his daughter. I do think he should've had grandchildren before more children though.

@@marie-curie6645 avoiding Daemon as successor was kind of the point of naming Rhaenyra though.

I think Corlys would not have accepted that Laenas sons are passed over. He almost went to war already, when Rhaenys line was disinherited by the council in 101.

lol wtf

​​@@NotHereForLikesikr calling child actors "gorgeous" is crazy

​@@vortigan9068 Thinking it's crazy to call them gorgeous is gross.

​@@vortigan9068um what's wrong with just complimenting their looks? There's nothing pedophilic in it. It's just a comment, not a flirtatious one.

@@vortigan9068 theres nothing wrong with saying you think someones children are gorgeous what kind of messed up mind do you have to have to think that's pedophilic 💀

True but there’s a difference between someone making a joke and someone calling your daughter a whore.

Yea but calling rhaenyera a whore was way to much she didn’t whore around she was only with harwin that people knew about that’s it and it stopped than she stayed with daemon and was with him only for a very long time. Calling her a whore in front of everyone was to far vaemond 100% sealed his fate when he said that the bastard thing could’ve been looked over but not that.

Same, I thought it was Rhaenys for some reason as it seemed to sound like her actor. It doesn’t sound like Rhaenyras current voice actress unless they plan to slightly age her more by season 2.

She says “my father” when talking about Viserys…

I feel the same about Valyria, I want to see it but then there goes the mystery and magic of it

@@emiiyakuma I think in the early planning of phases of show ( including HotD) one was Golden Age of Hero and another was set Valyria both were canceled. Saw article online somewhere or youtuber reporting the valyria spinoff.

Who could have easily had child birthing issues because of her young age(especially since when she we'd daemon, she gave him daughters, so the succession would probably STILL be in dought)

@@redadmiralofvalyria867 I don't disagree at all.

@@redadmiralofvalyria867 TBF, it’s the male donation of DNA that decides gender:) so who knows how things would have gone.

🙄🙄🙄 Viserys could marry Laena young but wait until she reaches the age of majority and matures well enough. The period between their marriage and Laena's age of majority could be used for Laena and Rhaenyra to bond with each other to ensure that even if Laena gives birth to Viserys' sons, Rhaenyra's stake on the Iron Throne would be respected. With Houses Targaryen and Velaryon bonded even more, no one would dare stand against their aerial and naval superiority.

​​@@MegaLion14House Velaryon would have schemed to put their line on the throne. The Sea Snake is ridiculously ambitious. Also Viserys would have been 70 and probably already dead through disease by the time his bride came of age 😂. On top of that the houses are already joined

The men would’ve been pissed

​@@AS-ri1mbAnd intact. Westeros wouldn't have been fractured.

@@janellejulianajoythat’s highly unlikely. If Rhaenys became queen, Leonor will be the next king. Leonor is canonically gay, and he would likely to marry Viserys’ children anyway, the end result will be the same. Or if Leonor chose different wife, their children will still be bastards, and there will be challenges to the heir of the throne.

@@almasyapologist Eh.. Renley and Margery coulda worked it out. I'm sure the measters coulda figured out turkey basting etc ... He coulda gotten himself to completion then finished etc .. not to be crass but I find it a plot hole in Rhae and Laenors alliance. They coulda easily worked it out. Plus alot of gay guys have slept with a woman before believe it or not

@@Shannon-vv6rr Leonor did try to consummate the marriage with Rhaenyra tho, it didn’t produce any heir. Doubt this universe would allow it work.

Right. People sleep on House Velaryon and it makes no sense.

I think it was a bit riddiculous to portray a tourney that way.

I think for the Jousts, it's mostly lordlings, but there is probably some brawl aspect later on where the knights and stewards of these noble houses get to let out their aggression

There's the joust, and the Melee. Since this is a time of peace, there certainly could be merit to tourneys to the death. However, I think the tourney as portrayed in GoT S1 E4-5-(6?) was far better and faithful to how it would actually be. @@drewhammond5203

​@@resathe6760Did you not hear Corlys and Rhaenys' dialogue? Its been decades since the last war, and the knights are eager for bloodlust. "Fistful of steel and balls full of seed". In GoT we see that tourneys rarely go bloody, since everyone cringes when Ser Hewell dies or when Tywin sent Jamie to one at the age of 15.

@@DrSabot-AI did and I'm not saying it breaks the show. But I still think it was a bit over the top with the violence for a tourney. Who is Ser Hewell btw? Do you mean Ser Hugh of the Vale? Because he was not killed with intend but by accident. Which is exactly my point. I didn't say nobody ever dies at tourneys but those are mostly accidents not knights butchering each other with swords and axes.

It wouldn't bother me except for the fact that the "Seed is Strong" was an important part of GOT season one. Sort of devalues Ned's discovery since Rhaenys is proving to be an exception.

well in the book they have like a 22 year age gap and in Season 2 we’ll also learn a few things about their marriage, so I wouldn’t be so sure about “no toxicity” 😅

@@mirayc451 well….at least it’s not incest 😅

But not to the line of succession

@@erickahernadez2527 yea, i get that. I'm just nitpicking the choice of words

I think it has more to do with dragons. Dragons were the key to power and keeping that power and their were only two houses with dragons. Merging the two completely together made it so the other house wasn’t a threat to Targaryen rule.

​@@marie-curie6645 No argument. I was only pointing out that their houses are already united by the marriage between Corlys and Rhaenys (and many more).

@@CicadasEverywheregood point tbf, but I think it was more about keeping Corlys happy

All our parents 🥰

Hilarious 😂

Eh, it was pretty standard for the time. And they wouldn't have had sex until Laena was old enough to have children. That isn't good but it's how it works.

Not at all, this was actually good match... Have in mind that Westeros society is based on our medival society...Vyseris at time was something about 35 - in the books, so he was not so old like you think because of actor

In this case, it is subjectively wrong but objectively a good move.

​@@milostosic2862in the book novellas Laena is 12 almost turning 13 while Viserys is 29 it just Alicent had headstart by sneakly warming-up to mourning Viserys and being Mother figure too Rhaenyra which turn out she just faking it out when Alicent spawn male she began too show her True Color toward Rhaenyra.

@@mikered1974 So,it was even more better match,i knew Vyseris in book was younger than we thought because actor,but did not remember he was actually 29

That's why we say viserys wasn't smart enough to see the true nature of his hand.

Holy...SHIT!

But that happened with real Houses, too. Queen Victoria was the last of Hanover, then her husband's house took over through her sons (which got then renamed to Windsor). Only for the Targs themselves the name is important, being the last Dragonlords and stuff, but for the Lords of Westeros these are foreign unifiers, conquerors or invaders depending on point of view and the name itself doesn't have much of a tradition like the names of the native Great Houses.

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Same. They seem like they were close-ish

The other Valyrian houses are shit and have been living in Westeros for hundreds of years since Aenar Targaryen left the freehold. The Vels have been the fleet masters of the Targs and have been given the largest island, Driftmark, to rule, and have been intermarrying with the Targs many times before to ensure a Valyrian bloodline. The other houses didn't have that fortune, maybe some married Aenar's unknown siblings but those lines died out by the time of these events. We see a Celtigar lord later with Rhaenyra on Dragonstone in the show and he doesn't look Valyrian at all which makes sense given how much time has passed since the Doom.

A bunch of turncloaks in my opinion. Bending the knee to the bastard pretender instead of dying with honor in services of the one true king.

@@TearYouApart360 well, to be fair the Baratheon bloodline his almost as valyrian has the other valyrian houses but for the Celtigar, I was mostly joking, yeah they are valyrians, but commoners, while the Velaryons where nobles and the Targarians were dragon lords, so basicaly royalty

You think?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Definitely means the Blackfyres are time travellers

Also Alicent wasn't that much older really. At most 3 or 4 years

Gross, they could have had a noble that was of age to be queen.

Lol

@@TheRedKing- I'm black.

Is rhaenyra not rhaenys

@@isoladirocciadeldrago7385 She said Viserys was her father so no? Also Rhaenys also died in the Dance so even if it was her my original question remains.

It's fictional character if George doesn't mind who tf are you😂

Then it is a good thing he is not a Targaryen so gtfoh

it made sense because in the show its clear rhaes children are not leanors. In the books rheaneys is black so rhaes children could be laenors based by genetics

Be so fr you know thats not the reason

You gotta troll better than that.

Mmmmmhhhmmm I don’t know about that. See the thing about Rhaenys is that her children are Velaryon. So the monarchy would fall to House Velaryon. It wouldn’t take long before the Targaryens take issue with that.

@@birdiewolf3497perhaps maybe but this is why viserys and coryls came up with the deal that yes verleryon blood would sit the throne however the heir jace would be named Targaryen instead the power would still be in Targaryens hands. Which was actually a smart idea.