@@thalmoragent9344 look at their armors… Laenor is dirty, Corlys is scuffed up too, while Vaemond looks to be fresh and untouched by battle. That is why Laenor said he hasn’t served a purpose aside from being master of complaints… might not match up with the books but that’s the lore in the series.
Considering the Valyrians are voyagers on the sea I'd expect alot of their company and connections to be foreign so it makes sense to me! They've travelled all over so I can see it tbh
2:28 Daemon and the soldiers look at each other. He sees their anger, despair and disappointment. Daemon knows they are right in feeling that way and knows he has a part of the blame. He respects his soldiers. I'm learning to appreciate these interesting details in terms of story-telling and character development
The way I saw it, it looked like he heard or knew what the plan was and is hesitant because they're asking him to go on a suicide mission. But he looked around and saw the soldiers were weary of the war and look to him for an answer. He was also getting sick of the war and was thinking about going home too hence the silence that turned his grin into a frown. Whether he was going to do it or not, he was pushed to doing it when he was mad that Viserys was about to unintentionally humiliate him for giving them aid this late in the war and taking credit.
Truth is, Vaemond could have let a bright-eyed aide-de-camp complain for him, using his points, and he would have gotten away with them by letting his words go through someone else's mouth - especially since an aide-de-camp would have the right to complain.
I’d be mapping the terrain, counting enemy soldiers and weapons, withdrawing back to Driftmark and returning later with three times the Crabfeeder’s numbers.
I would try to a combined assault using dragons to force them into the caves and while they sit there I would land forces to trap them there. I would lastly put archers up to shoot them all
@@bayarsejar5831 What could go wrong? You’ve only forced your enemy inside a natural fortress and opened up the possibility of friendly fire from the dragons. Then, there’s the part where the enemy archers still hold the high ground, putting yours at a disadvantage. Plus, you’d have to storm the caves where your men would be lost while the enemy has had years to map out the caverns. Finally, this isn’t Season 8 where one dragon can burn a fleet, an army and a city without breaking a sweat: these riders get tired, dehydrated and oxygen-deprived and regularly need to rest back in camp.
Withdrawing would damage the morale of the army and lose all their progress from the 3 year campaign. They're about to win because they cornered the Crabfeeder but are in a stalemate because he's untouchable so long as he can use guerilla tactics to wear out the Velaryon army and it worked. They were running low on food and supplies so they would be too weak and demoralized to keep the siege which would only make the Crabfeeder gather more men overtime and attack their camp. Decisive action was what is proposed in this video and imo it was the only way to defeat them. The Crabfeeder isn't going anywhere and he's weak on the open field so trapping him by baiting him out before he can run back to his cave was a solid choice, all they need was a proud man too suicidal to be saved.
@@ythandlename Except your proud man (Daemon) is a reckless loose cannon that could easily inflict friendly fire. In order to increase morale, you need a change of scenery, r&r and a quick, decisive battle. Withdraw back to Driftmark, come up with a new strategy, hire Sellswords to fill in the gaps and return with a massive, battle-hardened force. Then, you can use the old bait & tackle maneuver.
@@IsaiahRichards692 It's too risky of a strategy because it damages your reputation to retreat and give victory to the Triarchy who would gain more support and a morale boost and be able to garner as much troops as Driftmark would, even if Driftmark can field more men it would mean more time, lives and money will be spent on a longer campaign. Rather than risk on too many bad factors that could happen during a long state of recovery, it was a lot better to risk the life of one man who was willing to die and has nothing to do with the Velaryons as a house, if he dies they would still kill the Crabfeeder anyways and the men would be moved by his sacrifice and continue to fight with higher morale, instead of slinking back home for vacation, possibly desert or avoid going back to a protracted war. Sacrificing Daemon to guarentee the Crabfeeder's death and ending a war so you can get back to recovering losses is 10x better than gambling it all on a redo and spending more resources on a problem that should've been solved years ago.
This is the reason why he is not a suitable to be Lord of Driftmark. He is always complaining and hot headed. It is wise they chose Lucerys Verlaryon to be Lord of Driftmark.
Wrong, Vaemond was the most qualified contender for Lord of Driftmark after Corlys. Lucerys even acknowledged that. Vaemond was right, Daemon's pride to not ask the crown for reinforcements was the reason they was losing the war.
@@cautarepvp2079 Corly's was another prideful man and ambitious. I like Corlys but he was willing to prostitue his own house if it meant getting closer to the throne. He didn't pass over his brother because he wasn't qualified, he did it because Rhaenyra's sons are connected to the royal family. Had Rhaenyra just been some average Lady his son married. Corlys would not have accepted her bastards as his heir.
Vaemond had been fighting in this war as well. People don't like him cause he didn't support Team Black or Rhaenyra's Strong Sons but that doesn't mean he was all talk... he fought in the battle this very episode alongside his brother and nephew. He was a man of his word when he said he was all about his House and Line above all.
If he was a man all about his house, why didn't he just let Luke inherit Driftmark, marry and have a kid with Baella and then have a Velaryon child through her? He was all about having Driftmark all to himself, if blood was the issue then it was solved by Rhaenys and Rhaenyra since they both want the twins happy and alive. The show makes it a point because Vaemond is a second son, like Daemon is the younger brother of Viserys, Aemond would want the throne instead of Aegon II and through Corlys, house Velaryon is regarded as the second to house Targaryen. The younger sibling vies for the seat of the first, it's the main theme of the DotD.
@@ythandlename Dude, Luke is a bastard, and he's a Strong, not Velaryon And since the male line is the line of inheritance in Westeros, the main Velaryon line was gonna be trumped out to House Strong. And blood wise, think about it; Between Baela and Luke is only 1/4th Velaryon Blood. There's as much Strong Blood as Velaryon in that mix, and Bastards don't inherit before trueborn. And not every 2nd Son vies over for the Seat of the first. Hell, Otto is a prime example, and even Aemond never plans to usurp Aegon. He says he'd be a better king (and he would) but even in the books, he's the biggest supporter of Aegon and his Green family. Even in the show, he tells Luke it's "my brothers Throne". So he knows Aegon is the true Heir and he's there to support him regardless. Even in the books, it's clear if a Bastard is legitimized, he takes his father's name and House inheritance. Corlys' bastard is legitimized, and he takes the Throne. If Luke and Jace are legitimized, they'd be Strongs, not Velaryons or Targaryens
@@ythandlename Vaemond felt insulted at Rhaenyr's children. If the heir to Driftmark was Laenor's son by blood, he would have kept his mouth quiet. Yet it was Luke who was obviously a bastard with no hint of Velaryon blood. Secondly, Jace and Luke didn't get betrothed until ep 8, so yeah, Vaemond was making a genuine argument for his house.
He only fought in this battle when he had no choice. Notice the difference between him, Laenor and his brother. Vaemond has a clean face and cloak. He has not participated in jack shit besides complaining about plans while offering no solution. He was close to even starting a mutiny if his brother did not give him fair warning. He was a snake hiding under the guise of family. The Greens would have told him to kill his nieces and his brother's wife on a monday morning; by evening their bodies would be buried if it meant he was the sole ruler of Driftmark.
@@joesamson2639 a mix of this and a “Now? JUST NOW?” feeling. Because Viserys knew The Stepstones were at war yet he kept playing house with Alicent for years.
It was Viserys' idea to idle for 3 years while his brother and Corlys fought in a problem he should've solved from the start. Then he sends in reinforcements without asking Daemon he needs any and it would defeat the purpose of Daemon going there in the first place: to prove to Westeros that he's a big deal and not just the king's brother. He went on that suicide mission at the end because he would rather die than be told by others that he needs his big brother to save him.
@@cheerfulpessimist952 thats my understanding of it anyway. In fact it doesn't apply just to soldiers but to anyone in a poisition of authority. Most politicians would do well to heed it instead of playing the "blame and complain game".
Where do people get this notion that a general would fight on the front lines. Most generals including Tywin Lannister and Stannis Baratheon (books) command from the back lines as they are able to control battle better from there. Only in rare cases like Robert Baratheon or Robb Stark (to a lesser extent) would fight on front lines as its incredibly risky for them to die and the army be rooted and leaderless. Vaemond was probably commanding reserves and Corlys and Laenor were leading the Vanguard or the centre.
Presumably because there were many different entrances including ones they did not know about but the Crab feeders were aware of all entrances and exits being far more familiar with the location.
@@Apollo890 thats the point of scouts they were fighting for that place for while never once did they think to start looking for the entrances and exits
@@Phantom19913 we don't know that, it's possible that they did but scouts never survived because the Crab feeders put a great amount of effort into ensuring they never discovered the more intricate part of the caves as superior local knowledge is vital when fighting a guerilla war.
Most of the comments call Vaemond master of complaints I would be complaining too if I had fire breathing dragons n still loosing a war for how many years? Lol
He probably means that Daemon's feud with his brother, the King, is preventing the Kingdom from sending the support needed to win the war. The Velaryons and Daemon are essentially on their own and they are running short of resources.
Driftmark is a slightly bigger island than Dragonstone, although, driftmark is a direct vassal of Dragonstone. However, at this point in Westerosi history, the Velaryons have a lot of power and so they move with a lot of autonomy. See how Rhaenyra cannot guarantee their support despite them being direct vassals to her.
said and will say it again he's impulsive and stupid and a bully daemon had never the making of a king or anything beside a war hound you send into the battlefield to strike fear into your enemies
