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Rhinedottir’s goal to make a DESCENDER: Alchemy & the Cosmic Man (4.5 Genshin Impact Lore & Theory) 

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Khemia, or Khaenri’han alchemy, was essential to Khaenri’ah, as an underground civilization. But Rene and Jakob of the Narzissenkreuz Ordo thought they were using alchemy wrong. Here I want to explore this from a Jungian perspective, specifically with regards to the final steps of rubedo and citrinitas. It seems to me that Rhinedottir was trying to do something specifically with gold as the final goal: the philosopher’s stone representing Jung’s Cosmic Man, or Primordial Human. By exploring this archetype and the process of individuation, we can begin to see what both Rhinedottir and Narzissenkreuz tried to do: create a Descender. And, perhaps we can gain insight into how Albedo and Traveller fit into all of this.
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00:00 Introduction
01:55 Alchemy 101
04:57 The Inversion
06:23 Yellow to Gold
09:43 The Cosmic Man
13:16 Rhinedottir
18:54 Primordial Human Project
23:04 We Will Be Reunited
27:56 Final Thoughts
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Related Theories:
✨ Kabbalah in the Worldbuilding of Genshin Impact; Part 2: Descending to the Garden
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✨ Ashikai's Narzissenkreuz Recap • [4.3] The Complete Nar... (also thanks ashi for letting me use some footage)
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Resources & further reading:
The Integration of the Personality by Carl Jung
Man and His Symbols by Carl Jung
Archetypal Dimensions of the Psyche by Marie von Franz
Anatomy of the Psyche by Edward Edinger
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Man
genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
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Music
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✨ "Se Pone Caliente" by the U.S. Commercial Product Safety Commission (public domain)
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@lnsflare1
@lnsflare1 2 месяца назад
For someone who is trying to make a Primordial Human, Rhinedottir seems to have spent quite a lot of time pulling souls out of the Abyss.
@lathamtk
@lathamtk 2 месяца назад
When you pull a gacha, what are the odds you get a 5star on your first pull? Even in the first 10? Astronomically low. You gotta keep pulling until you get something decent. I hope, for Rhinedottir's sake, the cosmos/abyss has a pity system implemented.
@ZetaMoolah
@ZetaMoolah 2 месяца назад
@@lathamtkoh…oh my god….
@vlorggy
@vlorggy 2 месяца назад
Well that's where the twins were. Teyvat is literally surrounded by abyss, it's most likely that Rhinedottr did succeed and made the abyss sibling.
@osmial
@osmial 2 месяца назад
​@@vlorggywell sorry to break it to you but our twin was summoned to teyvat when we were traveling to different place(which is why rhinedottir who has yet to perfect her own project can't create lumine who is a being that is the symbol of abyss confirmed by clothar) in notes it has been said khaenri'ah or should i say the whole teyvat was looking for the 2 shining stars to approach it closely many yimes and then one time they entered the world of teyvat one was summoned in khaenri'ah one slept through everything that happened during 500yr ago (My interpretation) With all this we can come to conclusion that the primordial human project was inspired by our sibling who probably tried to use this chance to bring their homeworld to teyvat rhinedottir just used them as her inspiration to perfect the alchemy
@danita122
@danita122 2 месяца назад
@@osmial bro haven't seen the first cutscene in the game
@YuBaka69
@YuBaka69 2 месяца назад
Kaveh the adventurer. Help him find his keys. Do you see them?
@Sayaahh
@Sayaahh 2 месяца назад
Ola soy Kaveh
@tiredasexual_8334
@tiredasexual_8334 2 месяца назад
haitham no swipping. haitham no swipping!
@inrglctc8983
@inrglctc8983 2 месяца назад
@@tiredasexual_8334oh he DEF gonna swipe 💀
@nazgul9448
@nazgul9448 2 месяца назад
kaeya sitting forlornly for once not part of the conspiracy
@Not_A_Friend0777
@Not_A_Friend0777 2 месяца назад
Then Rhinedottir and Surtalogi have the same goal. Rhinedottir's do alchemy to create a Human while the other pull a Human to the abyss and do something to it. Albedo is synthetic while Childe is cursed.
@roozeveltfox
@roozeveltfox 2 месяца назад
yeah! Skirk even says they're both pursuing "some form of perfection."
@MessiinhoPedrosa
@MessiinhoPedrosa Месяц назад
​@@roozeveltfox hi, so, is Albedo Phanes?
@harmonialarts
@harmonialarts 2 месяца назад
Me at the start of the video: aight cant wait for the mandarory kaeya tangent Me after video: no wonder she's unwell with this long video she wasnt able to fit in a kaeya tangen! Poor roosevelt...
@stormysizzle1181
@stormysizzle1181 2 месяца назад
Speaking of number 4s ,The traveler is the FOURTH Descender.[Good omens must occur three time for good fortune to truly descend].Also a Very Good video, insightful as always.
@kanrakiddler
@kanrakiddler 2 месяца назад
Finally, a possible explanation for the past me for the reason why Albedo has a similar motif on his clothes to the twins, the 4-pointed star with dots thingy. Maybe it doesn't mean much, but back then it drove me crazy. Going from that, crack moment, cuz while both the twins have the full star somewhere on their clothes, both also have a way bigger one on their back, and both have that one split in two. Again, could be nothing, I mean twins being two halves isn't that groundbreaking but still.
@captaindanger13
@captaindanger13 2 месяца назад
Ever since the "the traveler twins are akivili" theory from wei, I started wondering if Aether and Lumine could become 1 being. Like they do a fusion dance or something and become 1. The final thoughts section of this video made me feel like that is more likely to actually happen in the end of the game.
@vergiltasev7108
@vergiltasev7108 2 месяца назад
And then they reveal that the Genshin world is actually Pegana (which is or was described as isolated), while Teyvat is just the continent where the Ark landed. Or that this landmass was isolated as its own microcosm.
@sharedrawing7034
@sharedrawing7034 2 месяца назад
wait someone else has thought of it too? i thought i had thought of an original theory for once 😭
@vergiltasev7108
@vergiltasev7108 2 месяца назад
@@sharedrawing7034 Well, I think it's still somewhat of a niche idea
@ghelcarreon
@ghelcarreon 2 месяца назад
the twinnings (so far?) Ego: Rukkadevata / Nahida Persona: Focalors / Furina Shadow: Makoto / Ei
@GuyWithAnAmazingHat
@GuyWithAnAmazingHat 2 месяца назад
I think your approach is not accurate, while the video talks about Ego, Persona and Shadow, Hoyoverse generally goes with Ego, Super-Ego and Id so I'll elaborate with these terms. For Raiden Shogun, Makoto means Truth in Japanese, she represents the Ego, the part of the self that is forward thinking driving towards the future, connecting to reality. Ei means shadow, she is the Id, the subconscious dark portion of one's mind which seeks to avoid pain and suffering. Shogun is the Super-ego, the ideal self that tries to achieve perfection, mentally, spirtually, culturally in the eyes of oneself and others. By reconciling all 3 parts, she has overcome her PTSD and depression after 1000 years of suffering, Raiden has become whole and is ready to bring Inazuma into the future. Hoyoverse also associates Id as Yin and Ego as Yang, dark and light, and the balance between them being the Super-Ego. You can apply this to almost every single character, especially those who have multiple sides to their character. Ego/ Id/ Super-Ego Makoto/ Ei/ Raiden Shogun Oz/ Amy/ Fischl Focalors/ Furina/ Hydron Archon Rukkhadevata/ Nahida/ Dendro Archon You can see Nahida being the Moon and Rukkhadevata being the Sun as another expression of Yin and Yang. Ego/ Id/ Super-Ego or Ego/ Shadow/ Persona should not be seen as separate things that are each represented by a different character, instead they are 3 sides of a single character, which when separated causes imbalance to the individual's psyche.
@ghelcarreon
@ghelcarreon 2 месяца назад
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat Hey. Thanks for your amazing input. well, i just yapped the "twinnings so far" without much thought (just woke up when i saw the vid) I agree with you about we can apply Ego/Super Ego/Id with one character/person, but I believe it is from Freud. The video was about Carl Jung, and that's why I blabbed about the twinnings that could be related to Jung archetypes, but i am no expert with this topic, so I am open with the discussion and learn more about these coz they're interesting. 😥😥
@losetthewaytogo
@losetthewaytogo 2 месяца назад
Where is my dain quest👹
@Pre4xes_
@Pre4xes_ 2 месяца назад
Bro fr I need that shi
@sageofsixpaths8392
@sageofsixpaths8392 2 месяца назад
Calm down, it's coming in 4.x that's for sure
@losetthewaytogo
@losetthewaytogo 2 месяца назад
@Pre4xes_ I thought because the last one was out in 3.5 I thought the next one would come out in 4.5. But ig they wanna throw all the lore bombs in 4.6 with fruinas (or maybe nuvis?) Story quest and arlcheno story quest and With the dain quest. So that's gonna be huge bomb of lore.
@losetthewaytogo
@losetthewaytogo 2 месяца назад
@@Pre4xes_ probably the most were getting in 1 patch
@losetthewaytogo
@losetthewaytogo 2 месяца назад
@@sageofsixpaths8392 I can't wait👹
@Sully48
@Sully48 2 месяца назад
When you were talking about the Comic Man and had Phanes text up it got me thinking, what if Rhinedottir was aiming to create a new God and that is why Celestia attacked, to prevent this new god from being made. Further, what if Rhinedottir succeeded and the cataclysm in Khaenri'ah isn't Celestia attacking, but the new god lashing out. Would explain why Celestia has been quite since the cataclysm. In the video Hoyo released before the launch of the game the chapters never mention Celestia, it goes Snezhnaya > Khaenri'ah. The final boss potentially being this new god since Phanes was killed by it. Also mentioning the pulling souls from the Abyss, when the Khaenri'ah event happened it was mentioned that monsters (abyssal creatures) attacked different places. Pulling this abyssal soul and granting it godhood could of been the source of these monsters appearing. The Hilichurl curse is not Celestial in nature, is this new god affecting those who were nearby during its birth. "Once you reach the end of your journey as I did, you will see for yourself the true nature of this world". Everyone tells us about Celestia and how our search from the start is about them, but the truth is that they are dead, the Khaenri'ahn god is all that remains. Would be poetic that the Godless nation would be destroyed by a God of their own making. 1AM tinfoil hat theory btw. Gonna stop it there otherwise I'd be typing all night. Some of this is probably easily debunked by text in the game. I love Genshin/Hoyo lore
@vietcuongnguyenle8530
@vietcuongnguyenle8530 2 месяца назад
Actually, we already see a thing which highly possible is belong to project “ create god” of khaenri’ah That is the alchemy knowledge ei get from khaenri’ah and using to made the puppet We know the puppet can even contain power of god And contain power of god is basic condition of create god
@akarirei
@akarirei 2 месяца назад
You might be on to something there. I was thinking like “could it be the sinner?”, but then he claimed that he is no god, just a sinner.
@Sully48
@Sully48 2 месяца назад
​@@akarireiThe Sinner is Rhinedottir. (4.2 Spoilers) When Egeria created life by turning Oceanids into humans Celestia declared them all sinners. In this theory Rhinedottir created a new God, nevermind human life. So instead of just becoming A sinner, she is now THE Sinner The Abyss Order worship The Sinner as it gave them a God and structure, as opposed to a leaderless grouping.
@akarirei
@akarirei 2 месяца назад
@@Sully48 but then didn’t the voice of the Sinner was pretty masculine?
@Sully48
@Sully48 2 месяца назад
​@@akarireiIt's been so long since I did the quest I forgot it was voiced. In that case it could be this new God.
@Aneurysm55
@Aneurysm55 2 месяца назад
I really have to wonder what threat Khaenri'ah was facing or preparing for, if Rhinedottir was trying to create a Descender and the Universitas Magistrorum wanted to summon one (and got the two twins?). Awesome video as always, the Jung deep dive was super fun and insightful!
@GuyWithAnAmazingHat
@GuyWithAnAmazingHat 2 месяца назад
These "filler patches" with Mondstadt events are where we learnt about the Fake Sky, Alice, Albedo's AMOGUS plot, Varka, The Captain and Hexenzirkel. For us lore and story players, there's no such thing as filler, only more content.
@roozeveltfox
@roozeveltfox 2 месяца назад
That's so true, in 3.5 (which i would NEVER consider filled because we got Caribert) - we were advertised Caribert but also got hexenzirkel!! fingies crossed for the same now
@Mar-lf3ni
@Mar-lf3ni 2 месяца назад
Now that you've mentioned the reason why the traveler is a descender while the sibling is not actually makes lot of sense. As for the traveler in order to complete the individualisation they need another half, and lumine and aether are two faces of the same coin making a whole like the philosopher stone (they are male and female, they also represent the moon and stars, and the sun is a star) In addition to all of this if the abyss is actually the first stage of alchemy that explains why Gold has made so many abyssal creature. But I also wonder if the abyss could be regarded as the first step of creation in general, you see... The abyss is often described to be something beyond teyvat, as from a different world like the primordial one, the descenders and the travelers, could the abyss actually be where they all were originated? This would mean that the travelers are in a certain way relatives of the primordial one. Tiding this why the genesis pearl story, this might be another clue to the theory of the traveler being the natural heir of the primordial one throne and thus their destiny is to ascend to Celestia, claim their throne and shape the fate of the world
@blackabalah
@blackabalah 2 месяца назад
Oh boi, those Carl Jung theories are cracked! Made me wonder if someone more of his works can be interpreted there, like the Archons and Archetypes, and the synchronicity, The shadow, I kinda see too as how Irminsul hides memories, those things happened and now are on an unconscious plane, and what can be seen it's the conscious plane
@roozeveltfox
@roozeveltfox 2 месяца назад
yeah! and tbh I've only scratched the surface, really, with archetypes/individuation/alchemy, but there's soooo much more to them, plus dreams, synchronicity, etc. And what you say about Irminsul - that's funny, because Rukkha says something along the lines of "Only dreams can awaken consciousness" which to me reads very similar to the whole "until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate." (sidenote: my understanding is that he didn't actually say that quote but there's a similar quote saying the same thing)
@glendor1el
@glendor1el 2 месяца назад
This makes so much sense given the thematic emphasis the game loves to put on the twins being reunited, with that specific wording.
@peachcloudx1672
@peachcloudx1672 2 месяца назад
this was so good!! for some reason i hadn't made the connection yet that rhinedottir's ultimate goal is the creation of a descender. man, descenders are like the most wanted thing in teyvat, huh? we've got so many major factions involved (past & present) with the creation of a descender. The Fatui, Rhinedottir, Narcissenkreuz, and then we have the Abyss Order with their loom of fate project and I wonder if they're trying to make the abyss twin their version of a descender as well 🤔 endgame is shaping up to be a battle royale between all the descenders lol
@L16htW4rr10r
@L16htW4rr10r 2 месяца назад
If your last theory is correct, poor our controlled MC for not chosen for The Loom of Fate(?) X,D
@Paimordial
@Paimordial 2 месяца назад
I can’t BELIEVE you didn’t mention kaeya once
@roozeveltfox
@roozeveltfox 2 месяца назад
it kinda hurt my soul ngl 😔
@valhallakombi7239
@valhallakombi7239 2 месяца назад
As someone who is in Desrt of Hadramaveth exploration right now, can't wait to eventually read Orzo quest in Fontaine. Dirge of Bilqis and 3.4 world quests are so damn peak, can't wait for Khavarena stuff and then Fontaine. Will have to watch this video after that lol
@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person
@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person 2 месяца назад
Pay attention to the Khvarena of Good and Evil, because it will foreshadow the Ordo quest as well. Also, I believe this quest is a direct improvement over what Aranyaka was supposed to be as a questline.
@lexical450
@lexical450 2 месяца назад
We've been having a "break" since 4.3, so i really hope that 4.6 onward is as stacked as possible. I absolutely adore long videos like this, so thanks for going all out.
@aethernity8270
@aethernity8270 2 месяца назад
X.6 always goes bonker like last time in sumeru
@Jevjevjevj
@Jevjevjevj 2 месяца назад
​@@aethernity8270well 3.5 was even better with Caribert... and here we are, in the dryest patch everz 4.5
@aethernity8270
@aethernity8270 2 месяца назад
@@Jevjevjevj true
@fullmetalninjaX20
@fullmetalninjaX20 2 месяца назад
i legit wonder how many lives you have saved just by reminding people to check their smoke detectors at the end of each video.
@theysisossenthime
@theysisossenthime 2 месяца назад
I enjoyed this deep dive. Gold was my first big lore interest in Genshin. The more we've learned of Khaenri’ah and Khemia, the more I feel like I am unsure of her grand scheme. She almost seems like the mad scientist archetype. A little more chaotic; a little less maniacal. I think hanging out for an afternoon Rhinedottir and Alice would be the best day of Genshin Impact, ever.
@Mishri2005
@Mishri2005 2 месяца назад
I mean I am pretty convinced Gold is trying to emulate the original way Humans were made. I think Morax is called Deus Auri because he is related to the Geo Sovereign who formed the vessel needed for the Hydro Sovereign, the OG god of life to breathe life into (emulating the way Goddess Nuwa created humans from clay). Khemia especially is derived from this genesis process (from what I gleaned reading Albedo's character story). And yes, I got all this from the Neuviladle. *Shows off my tinfoil hat*
@Mishri2005
@Mishri2005 2 месяца назад
Back here after the alchemy event + Perinheri. Still stand by my earlier comment, in fact, even more. It is no joke for Morax to be referred to as Deus Auri by Neuvillette AND in Perinheri. Gold as a catalyst, gold for purification, gold as the goal, gold as a tool, or a weapon? Zhongli's star/sun imagery only shines out more as the 'golden haired traveller' goes around purifying. He's the golden god, can grant illumination, sight and body to a spirit, and was a colonising force for the heavens. Him holding on to the archon throne (the geo authority) while giving up the gnosis and being the only archon in the story so far to go out of his way to stop people from worshipping him (in re nahida, thoughts manifest reality), the way the exuvia was of draconic form, was morax shedding his skin of the golden god to become red?
@citoyenneteavanttout7273
@citoyenneteavanttout7273 2 месяца назад
That cooks actually. Funnily enough, not only Perihneri, he had also been mentioned in the Alchemy event Weapon, the dialog of the desert sages, as Deus Auri, and curiously to say that creating Gold was his and only his providence. Couple that with Gold/Mora flowing in the leylines, and Canotilla's "Gold is the tears of the sun"... I mean that's a lot of unconclusive hints and I wonder what they're cooking for him.
@bononcrusher2
@bononcrusher2 2 месяца назад
No wonder the Persona 4 references during the Golden Apple Archipelago were so apparent. They were dipping into the same source.
@KadaEklund
@KadaEklund 2 месяца назад
I've been thinking about Albedo being an "artificial" descender or a project (kinda have the same opinion about Childe), the video is great but there's a point missing: the place where Elynas described she was before her mother awakened her is the same as she describes Jakob's power. Also she says something about Albedo taking fate in the Cinnabar Spindle weapon.
@swiirlee8670
@swiirlee8670 2 месяца назад
This makes me want to pose a crack theory where rhinedottir's goal was creating a philosopher stone/cosmic man/primordial one out of the khaenrian king irmin to oppose the world order brought about by the heavenly principles, and technically succeeded, but because of spacetime shenanigans the primordial one was created at an earlier point in time and became/has always been the actual original primordial one 😂 there's too many inconsistencies but it's funny to toss around. This whole time it was actually just a khaneriah vs khaenriah smackdown. The abyss twin figured this out and is mad at everyone involved and feels bad for the innocent bystanders (mostly the cursed khaenrians). Also (zhongli brainrot moment) deus auri...... Thank you for the great vid!
@EthHawke94
@EthHawke94 2 месяца назад
Just one problem with this idea though; why would they Aid and Abet an organization (The Abyss Order) whose mission is to destroy the Surface Civilizations? If the Sibling actually did, shouldn’t they have made an attempt to Reunite with their Sibling and Free the various Nations of Teyvat from the Rule of the Heavenly Principles and their Archons? You know, a different approach?
@swiirlee8670
@swiirlee8670 2 месяца назад
@@EthHawke94Lol I've forgotten I've typed this out, appreciate you replying. Tbh there's so many things we don't know yet that we can make up so many plausible reasons. For example, the low-hanging fruit: maybe the abyss twin is themself deceived/driven mad and/or brainwashed somehow. Or maybe the abyss twin is going for some kind of the ends justifies the means/scorched earth policy gambit, wherein defeating the PO is impossible (or seems impossible) without destroying the current Teyvat and the abyss twin is only hoping that whatever survives can live diminished but free. Maybe the abyss twin is playing a long con, and what they're doing is actually helping Teyvat unite/get nudged towards the right answers by playing as the big bad evil. Maybe they seriously think everyone is better off dead than enslaved/used as batteries/whatever it is the PO is really doing. Heck maybe they're planning to betray the Abyss Order in future chapters. There's probably details that negate a bunch of that lol but just as examples I admittedly had too much fun writing. Motives are pretty easy to justify and handwave, tho of course whether it will be well-written or if the audience will accept the explanation is another matter entirely.
@EthHawke94
@EthHawke94 2 месяца назад
@@swiirlee8670 It would be quite the Surprise Twist if the MC’s Twin is only Pretending to care about the Khaenrhi’ahns while their actual plan is to use the Abyss Order as a bunch of useful idiots/ fodder for whatever goal they actually have in mind, one strange idea i have in mind is that they only seek to eliminate the Archons while sparing the populace, surely such an order to retreat after only destroying an Archon might be confusing for the Abyss Order, but given their current state of mind they might not question the Twins decisions given how they seem to slavishly follow their every word.
@Rostotosto8542
@Rostotosto8542 2 месяца назад
Remember to drink water everyoone!
@sleepyqinfei
@sleepyqinfei 2 месяца назад
what if that’s why albedo has a geo vision :o (geo = stone -> philosopher’s stone & yellow = gold -> citrinitas)
@roozeveltfox
@roozeveltfox 2 месяца назад
ahahaha... yeah..... Jung actually makes a big deal about the symbolism of stone/rock itself being the self (not just the philosopher's stone). Particularly in 'Man and his Symbols.' I had to shut down that part of my brain because it was going haywire and I needed to focus on the actual video lmaaao
@kanrakiddler
@kanrakiddler 2 месяца назад
Also, "Chalk pursues Gold" might just get that juicy double meaning, right?
@nicolas._.2294
@nicolas._.2294 2 месяца назад
Oh my, you're right
@Nico-ib8bn
@Nico-ib8bn 2 месяца назад
29:44 idk what legend it is but ive heard a tale in which people didnt have food/material for clothing (depending on the version) and the king asked some smart guy for gold to buy those things. the guy gave the king seeds and said he has to plant them and then he will get what he needs. the king did that and when he realised its just plants and not gold in anger he ordered to dry and beat the plants and thats how people got flour/linen clothing. reminds me of this idk
@voshadxgathic
@voshadxgathic 2 месяца назад
Two separate crack theories with potential for crossover: Il Capitano is Bennett's biological father. Grand Master Varka is the 10th harbinger. Even crazier theory: All of Hoyoverse's games are based around simulation theory. The games themselves serve as yet another set of samsara cycles.
@roozeveltfox
@roozeveltfox 2 месяца назад
im here for the crack / tinfoil so im intrigued
@plingploong
@plingploong 2 месяца назад
Love this video - I had been thinking about the supposed switch in alchemic stages used in Khaenri’ah, and your explanation makes so much sense. Albedo and those cryptic lines about potentially destroying Mondstadt make me wish we saw more of him in-game!
@MarclenChin
@MarclenChin 2 месяца назад
your paimon impression is flawless
@grassina3
@grassina3 2 месяца назад
I watched a vid recently about Plato and lore from Funny Lore, and I’m seeing some connections here. Like when you were talking about forms and parallels, that seems very much like it could have been based on Platonic ideas
@roozeveltfox
@roozeveltfox 2 месяца назад
yeah, no doubt there's a lot of Platonic ideas in the game! I bring him up a lot in my Fortuna video. And ofc the Parable of the Cave in Before Sun and Moon is basically his Allegory of the Cave. I'll have to check out Funny Lore.
@-libertyprimev1-902
@-libertyprimev1-902 2 месяца назад
Around 26:57 - This brings me back to a thought I have everytime the Twins are referenced as Stars, compared to Stars, or are implied literal Stars in human/mortal form... In Binary Systems where two Stars lay at their center, eventually one will consume the other merging for a variety of potential reasons/ways (that part isn't super important for this discussion, although one Star becoming a Black Hole and slowly sucking the life out of still bright Star does have some mildly terrifying implications if we equate the Abyss Twin to the Black Hole in this analogy 😶). This has me thinking what if eventually reuniting with our Sibling leads to the two becoming one as "The Cosmic Man's Individuation"? Now back to the Binary Star analogy the deciding factor of who "wins" in the fusion (maybe saying "who influences the thoughts and ideals of the fusion" is more apt) would be the "brighter" or "larger" one being the one who has a previously mentioned "Will to Rival the World" OR literally brighter as in the one who regains their "Holy" Element instead making the "Abyss" Element their own - potentially just being superior or a direct counter to the other... Bit of a side tangent but I'd definitely prefer this over the stereotypical "I've been searching for my favored person the entire journey only for them to tragically die right at the climax or end of the story, oh what a cruel world..." plot (maybe also throwing in the "True Power awakening through loss/rage" trope), not saying this is what will happen down the road but it's definitely a possible direction the writers could take no question. This also raises another discussion of how they'd handle the Traveler's assumed obtaining of the "Holy" Element, cause that would have to be accessed at some point before the very end of the story as they'd need time for resource collection to level up Talents and Constellations (basically game mechanics having a direct Impact 𝘩𝘦𝘩𝘦 on story/plot points) then by proxy that new element would also need interactions with the existing elements (or maybe not if Geo is anything to go off of 😒) OR might it only have direct interactions with the supposed "Abyss" element... And maybe whatever element Dain will be which is a whole other can of worms as that seems to be a "Khaenri'ahn Energy" Element or "Curse" Element (I'm more partial to "Eclipse" Element as it'd be a nice middle ground between Traveler's Bright/Holy and Sibling's Dark/Abyss analogy/element) instead of any sort of Abyss power as he is vehemently against The Abyss... But I'm stopping at that third tangent or I'll be typing for another half hour. 😂
@ehlannahfhey2347
@ehlannahfhey2347 2 месяца назад
Aaaaaahhhh another Roozevelt video so soon?! You're spoiling us 😂❤ I loved this! I thought that it made sense that khemia & Alchemy are one and the same just..different, and you definitely solidified that for me. I know lots of creators prefer not to watch too many other creators content buuuut I did see ties to this one & MyNameForNow's most recent theory vid about Irmin and more than anything Mr. Nine's books - in case you hadn't come across it [or anyone reading this comment] it's worth the time imo 🤓
@roozeveltfox
@roozeveltfox 2 месяца назад
ahh thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. And yes, I did see his video! It was very cool! I thought it was really interesting how he arrived to Irmin being the 1st Descender (i.e. iirc not even mentioning any parallels to holy blades like I did in my Shattered Descender vid) but perhaps that means there's something to it 😁 convergence of ideas maybe!
@ehlannahfhey2347
@ehlannahfhey2347 2 месяца назад
Yeah I'm not 100% sure if irmin is the primordial one/1st descender, even if i definitely thought he made great points. But I do think there's something to it to in terms of Alchemy/Khemia being the catalyst sort of. It would be interesting to me if the primordial human project was an attempt to try and create another primordial one to take over/save Teyvat or even to try and maybe revive the og primordial one so to speak. 🤔
@nara-yana
@nara-yana 2 месяца назад
*Really* cool observations! This is the type of content that keeps me in love with *Genshin* and it's community, as it is "a game" with so much of our _reality_ as human beings - be it religion, history, anthropology, philosophy... poured into it with the utmost _care_ and _intention,_ many times bringing forth logical associations that are pretty much the definition of *arcane* to the forefront of the community's debate - the "equivalence" between Ishtar and Astaroth for example, and the erasure that the "divine feminine" suffered with the ascension of the Abrahamic / monotheistic religions.
@katelyn980
@katelyn980 2 месяца назад
I think that Childe is the Tsaritsa's, his fathers or Surtilogia's/Skirk's attempt at the same thing. A boy thrust into the abyss as a child, formed a bond with a primordial whale and connected to the witches and surtalogi whom are all pursuing some form of perfection. Childe is called Red by Xinyan, has a red mask and red attire when accessing his foul legacy. Then we have this entire thing - ---------------------------------------------- "Io, Io, Pan! That which lies beneath the great sea!" The purpose of this line in the ritual scripture is to forsake the self and sink into the abyss, and in the abyss, to welcome rebirth as a holy infant. The origin of this is a tragedy of unknown provenance that has been passed down by persons unknown to this day. Said play is called "Ajax," or "Aias." He was the second-strongest warrior in his alliance. "Lies beneath the great sea" is, itself, an interesting phrase. It comes from ancient Sumeru texts, and should be read as "Narayana," which also means "primordial human." This, too, is my goal, for not all that comes from beyond may be as one that "descends." That title belongs only to wills that can rival an entire world. That is what I seek, the way to become just such a will, one that can protect the world, sustain the world, destroy the world, and create the world. ------------------------------------------------ "Sink into the abyss and reborn as a holy infant"? Fitting for someone who has an Enkanomiyan name with a father filling his head of hero stories. "Lies beneath the great sea" means "primordial human". Childe just got back from his sensory tank in the primordial sea. Becoming a decender? Seeking the entirety of the old world? Sounds like exactly forshadowing for the harbiners as it's just echoing the same words as Pierro in his send off to Signora. I don't think it's just rhinedottre, I think all the circle and some other big players are trying to crack the primordial human code and fast. The why is the mystery
@Miandey
@Miandey 2 месяца назад
The end might be that the Traveler absorbs the sibling to become whole. Ying and Yang together as one. To make the future of tevat
@jeremiahsmith916
@jeremiahsmith916 Месяц назад
Maybe this is why the devs repeatedly stress that there is no canon twin, as the end result will be the same (merging of the male and female twins) no matter which one we chose to walk the path with.
@UIMINIM
@UIMINIM 2 месяца назад
Rhinedottir scares me. Great video btw!
@Xanxanaxa
@Xanxanaxa 2 месяца назад
Theres a math riddel ×3+1 no mater witch number you pick at the end you will be stuck in a loop
@Xanxanaxa
@Xanxanaxa 2 месяца назад
Also 3 +1 3moons + 1 sun
@nicolas._.2294
@nicolas._.2294 2 месяца назад
​@@XanxanaxaI thought your pfp was shikamaru
@nicolas._.2294
@nicolas._.2294 2 месяца назад
Can you pls explain the Riddell?
@EmergencyCringe
@EmergencyCringe 2 месяца назад
Thank you for that Kaveh bit at the beginning 🦁
@Crysis2424
@Crysis2424 Месяц назад
Really enjoyed the video and all the explanations on the non Genshin stuff. I enjoyed the video length too. This gets me so excited for whenever we get to actually go to Khaenriah or meet our Twin, so many story lines they can go with!
@genshin_lore_enjoyer
@genshin_lore_enjoyer 2 месяца назад
I get ready to sleep, but OH BOY. Video about my son - yes, I'll watch
@MrGrimx1
@MrGrimx1 2 месяца назад
Very insightful! Thanks!
@sylvarogre5469
@sylvarogre5469 2 месяца назад
Wonderful theory video. Thank you for suffering for this art, Rooz.
@warriorofhyperborrea
@warriorofhyperborrea 2 месяца назад
I was just checking your channel today to see if you posted anything, great to see my favorite theorist back in action!
@dasytaylor
@dasytaylor 2 месяца назад
Yooooo it's out!! I'm watching ASAP!
@frenchie2580
@frenchie2580 2 месяца назад
Great video as always!
@MrsFoolforlove
@MrsFoolforlove 2 месяца назад
I’m speechless. You cooked hard and the results are amazing!
@nyanea
@nyanea 2 месяца назад
Love your theory videos, so informative and really helps to see genshin through a different lense! (The brainrot of different theories all coming together to make perfect sense.)
@-nery-
@-nery- 2 месяца назад
let me throw in a speculation too: citrinitas has an alternate form, whether a completely different approach or another outcome when the stage fails and there's the rub, cause humans come from outside of primeval teyvat
@EchoNoir-
@EchoNoir- 2 месяца назад
Ty for the long video Roozey :)
@juliamalyugina3546
@juliamalyugina3546 Месяц назад
Why the most sus characters are all from Mondstadt?! Albedo, Kaeya, Venty (and lets not even start on Benny). The early versions hidden lore bombs are on another level.
@nanavstheworld
@nanavstheworld 2 месяца назад
once again loved your video
@hritikagoswami7695
@hritikagoswami7695 2 месяца назад
oh my gosh, just from the title alone: i reached the same conclusion a while back!!! I wrote a post about in on tumblr. you're my favorite theorist rn, i'm so glad you have similar ideas, that means there's at least some merit to it!! ♡
@Ray-xx8yt
@Ray-xx8yt 2 месяца назад
I am a big rhinedottir fan since 1.2
@-romanpl01-27
@-romanpl01-27 2 месяца назад
After completing the entire Alchemy event in 4.5, it's interesting to see that the swap between Rubedo and Citrinitas is actually canon in the event, as the Exams you take from Sucrose give you titles that go: Nigredo - Calx - Rubedo - Citrinitas, and the exam was designed by Albedo, which means he is kinda starting to teach Mondstadt and the rest of the world about Khaenri'an alchemy principles, and given that in the event the entire world hears about our potions and starts using them, I wonder how Celestia is taking it right now
@GoldenEyeLauren
@GoldenEyeLauren 2 месяца назад
This was super interesting
@BerylMorgan
@BerylMorgan Месяц назад
I wonder if when we finally get playable characters from khaenriah, their power won't come from external visions but will instead come from internal power they've gained through individuation. Which as I'm typing this is starting to make me think of Ashikai's recent video about adeptal cultivation and now I'm just wondering if that was just foreshadowing how khaenrians cultivate their own power through individuation....
@sean2352
@sean2352 2 месяца назад
Maybe Rhinedottir succeeded in turning the traveler into a descender through khemia and this was one of the reasons for the beginning of the cataclysm. This could explain why the traveler was asleep during all of their time in khaneriah until the cataclysm. Afterwards, Rhinedottir created Albedo based off of the chalk composition she saw in the traveler which is why hoyo emphasized all of the similarities in their composition.
@Jevjevjevj
@Jevjevjevj 2 месяца назад
Now I think hoyoverse took inspiration from Persona series quite a lot...
@crimsonmoon123
@crimsonmoon123 2 месяца назад
Wow this video really blew me of. The way you put "we will be reunited" and androgynous nature of the primordial human with the traveler's will to seek "individuation" which labels them as a descender was something that left me... flabbergasted at the very least. So Albedo will experiment on us/with us to make the primordial being? Also, is this the "Greatest Sin" which Khaenriah, more specifically Rhinedottir and the Ruler of Khaeriah committed (trying to make a primordial being of their own) which made the Heavenly Principles angry and gave them the punishment(the curse)? 🤔
@Archetype_Angel
@Archetype_Angel 2 месяца назад
10:00 and so "I am thou, thou art I..." I was hearing the video while doing the dishes, so for a moment I forgot I was watching a Genshin video and not a Persona video.
@TinkRomero
@TinkRomero 2 месяца назад
I have this (long, so I’ll shorten it) theory, about how Khaenri’ah managed to make a Throne equal to the Seven Divine Thrones, and our sibling is the heir to this Throne. The reason why they can’t be considered a Descender is because they belong to this world, because despite not being from the world, they have an inheritance of something that fundamentally belongs to the world, henceforth, they now belong to the world. In fact, this Throne may even be the reason why Irminsul’s records of them is being obfuscated.
@LynnToledo
@LynnToledo 2 месяца назад
Oh my goodness. I love this so much as someone who is interested in psychology ❤
@acostureirinha
@acostureirinha 2 месяца назад
Amazinggggg ❤❤❤
@bangtanssera
@bangtanssera 2 месяца назад
1:08 delulu theory: it was quantum in the world which demanded for things to be “real” aka imaginary
@eboshisdescendant8697
@eboshisdescendant8697 2 месяца назад
I'm wondering if the Primordial Human Project is a national project instead of Rhinedottir's personal research. Clothar said that Khaenri'ah wanted to control the Abyss and Traveler's Sibling was expected to achieve this. And both the summoning of the twin and Rhinedottir's research have the same goal: to acquire a Descender/Primordial Human.
@lalalalaaAa123
@lalalalaaAa123 2 месяца назад
Fascinating 🤔🤔🤔
@yuyu4432
@yuyu4432 2 месяца назад
I am looking forward to this alchemy event. we might get the answers to the questions you are looking for
@Columbina51
@Columbina51 2 месяца назад
Sometimes, getting what you want from unknown beings will come bite you back
@sound995
@sound995 2 месяца назад
albedo saying he's like the traveler got me thinking about that traveler is a copy of their sibling they are made from things beyond this world even though it's kinda wrong because dan said to traveler (now you have set in this world)god every time I go and see traveler story in character menu and that last bit about loom of fate instead of a vision like a normal character or archon gnosis I wonder what exactly is loom of fate I think it's a crystal or a pearl something like a vision but corrupted and the traveler will purify it like dvalin tears and use it like a vision.
@jakubbarczyk4310
@jakubbarczyk4310 2 месяца назад
DAMN you cooked, this was great
@Thesnoogy
@Thesnoogy 2 месяца назад
ATE!
@AkaiKnight
@AkaiKnight Месяц назад
HEY HEY HEY, that’s OUR word. 2:40
@kiaradoesart9682
@kiaradoesart9682 2 месяца назад
Only just started watching, but immediately need to say that I am 100% backing Ben presenting a nature documentary 😂😂😂 ETA: I’m also buying the theories that the siblings are destined to either fuse into a new primordial one or somehow rule together. I love the idea of Rene and co. misinterpreting Khemia, like how archaeologists get stuff wrong in RL. Some solid world building!
@EnchantedCharm
@EnchantedCharm 2 месяца назад
Is the Light realm's golden light implying that, before the Primordial One's arrival, LightRealm!Teyvat was already at citrinitas, complete and perfected, and it was the addition of an external factor, the Primordial One (who's also a citrinitas of a different kind) the thing that started to fuck evrything up for the vishaps? So this interloper, the P1, reforged Teyvat away from its original draconic perfection, so now P1 goes ballistic whenever anyone attempts to do something similar (Descenders fighting among themselves) or even worse (introducing the Abyss' nigredo into the mix)?
@roozeveltfox
@roozeveltfox 2 месяца назад
good Q! I dont have an answer for that tbh but I'm always scoping out these details. The gold/blue/(even green lights??) always have me wondering
@galaxybraen
@galaxybraen 2 месяца назад
just a random fact, Narayana (pronounced naa-raa-yuhn) is another name for Lord Vishnu (wish-noo) one of the trimurti in hindu mythology alongside brahma ( the creator) and Shiva (the destroyer). Lord vishnu is considered the preserver.
@sarahangel3481
@sarahangel3481 2 месяца назад
Very good research roozevelt.👍 A lot of what you say makes sense. And I believe that you are on the right path. We will probably find out whether this is true either in the next versions or, if we are extremely unlucky, only at the end of Genshin. 😥 I've been trying since I've been playing Genshin, unfortunately this has only been the case since 3.0. Before that, I couldn't play Genshin. How the world is structured. However, it is extremely difficult to find out which aspects Hoyovers actually used. But most likely a good mix of many things from all over the world. I would love to write and discuss theories myself. But unfortunately I'm having trouble putting everything into context. Because we are still missing the other regions, it is still difficult to connect everything.😶‍🌫 But to go back to your video. Many of the things you explain in the video are familiar to me. For example, a month ago I bought a book about alchemy and mysticism in order to read exactly that. I love reading things about mythology, history, science and the like. Because it all fascinates me a lot. This book also explains the concept of the cosmic man. I'm so excited to see what will happen. And I'm constantly afraid of what the end will be like.🥶 I'm hoping for a happy ending. Even though I know that there are probably many who don't want that. And I respect that too. Everyone can wish for what they want. But unfortunately I've consumed so many different media at the moment where there was always a terrible ending. That's why I'm very annoyed with the end of the world in various media.😑 It would be refreshing to find a happy ending again. Because it's rare for me to find something I like. But that's just my opinion. But I can at least hope. Since Kaeya is my favorite character and I've had him on my team since the beginning (he stays on my team forever). Of course I hope that we can save the world, that nothing happens to Kaeya and that Khaenri'ah ends up being more of a nation that was simply misunderstood. That some information was misinterpreted and Khaenri'ah was simply made as a scapegoat for everything even though that's not true . But we will probably only find out at the end of our trip.😅 💙
@DrakeWurrum
@DrakeWurrum 2 месяца назад
The new book Perinheri suggests that Rhinedottir is NOT to blame for the Cataclysm. It suggested that Riftwolves were used to fight off Abyssal threats by the Schwanenritter.
@lordbroccoli3987
@lordbroccoli3987 2 месяца назад
i think there is connection between arlecchino's power and alchemy because there is a theory about her for being narzissenkreuz subject (game of rich world quest)
@mamoruhikari9414
@mamoruhikari9414 2 месяца назад
Amazing
@v.v365
@v.v365 2 месяца назад
Is Paimon a component in the Traveler’s alchemic process to become a Primordial Human? Could that be a role Albedo tried to fill with Sucrose, so far his only assistant we know of?
@bangtanssera
@bangtanssera 2 месяца назад
Imagine if Rhinedottir becomes playable
@HoneyDoll894
@HoneyDoll894 2 месяца назад
honestly i have no idea how it connects to here but i now that i saw it i can't really get it out of my mind. so like Herrsher of the void from honkai is clearly at least somewhat mirroring the keeper of the heavenly principles. but she in her form has two sets of three wings. one with a black red gold and white color, and one that is almost identical to the siblings set of six white and gold wings. she also has that sort of duality going on and I can't help but feel like the siblings are kind of taking after that duality. both meth the keeper, one was sealed in the cube and the other was.. something. one of them saw khanria destroyed by the heavenly principles and since then is going against celestia. the other one is still a sort of pure traveller, befriending the archons and trying to become whole
@Bubblegum-cv7bw
@Bubblegum-cv7bw 2 месяца назад
RAAAAAAH albedo lore👹👹👹👹👹
@reveriesend4668
@reveriesend4668 2 месяца назад
17:32 well, Dain also said that god itself (I think he was implying Susty) stopped Rhine. I would assume the archons were summoned to Khaenri'ah to stop them, too, so
@sweatygoblin2335
@sweatygoblin2335 2 месяца назад
lord help me, i thought i escaped jungian philosophy when i got my PhB i cannot be free of this man, damn you karl
@Necrochaosium
@Necrochaosium Месяц назад
There you have it even more proof that the abyss sibling is not your real sibling, they're a copy made by alchemy and shifted in purpose by the sinner. Being the almost perfect copy they themselves think they're the real thing with all the memories. I really do hope i'm wrong because then it may mean the 3rd descender: destroyed and broken apart really was your real sibling. I know there's time irregularities and things dont make sense but our perspective as the traveller is warped also we already know we have missing memories.
@VictorRodriguez-rk6hp
@VictorRodriguez-rk6hp 2 месяца назад
This theory reminds me of the ending of Breath of Fire IV...
@roozeveltfox
@roozeveltfox 2 месяца назад
aw nuts I've only played I and II and i'm gonna have to ask my mom for context/a recap of IV if you don't (im srs tho my mom loves BoF)
@silentassassin_69
@silentassassin_69 2 месяца назад
W video
@hermdude
@hermdude 2 месяца назад
12:50 It just occurred to me as I thought through the implications of HI3 and what the number three represents in the game... Technically Genshin is the 4th Honkai installment that they had to change the name of the game to "attract their potential shareholders" that they don't have just 1 IP (which they eventually decided not to IPO). And if that's the case, then what are the symbolisms of the number 5 in HSR, if any.
@suoizon
@suoizon Месяц назад
funny how khemia is literally just the finnish word kemia, which means chemistry lol
@joshua30071984
@joshua30071984 2 месяца назад
So could it be that "gold" is trying to create the body of the 3rd descender,and the she is working with the tsaritsa?
@ilios-kai-fengari
@ilios-kai-fengari Месяц назад
Hyv after making the best lore in the game then completely firgetting about it
@Staeve.
@Staeve. 2 месяца назад
Boost !!!
@DrakeWurrum
@DrakeWurrum 2 месяца назад
I think Khaen'riah swapped rubedo and citrinitas because they were seeking a human capable of surpassing the gods. They were trying to find a citrinitas that could surpass rubedo.
@yYSilverFoxYy
@yYSilverFoxYy 2 месяца назад
I think all that Rhinedottir successfully pulled out of the Abyss using Khemia are repressed aspects of Phanes from the Abyss. Elynas and Dvalin both remember a time “before their birth” in the darkness. The Abyss is not a true “Outer space” compared to Teyvat. …How does Fate predict when Surtalogi’s pet beast would be unleashed? How do the “dead” carry misfortune? They are not truly from outside, but rejected aspects of Phanes and the “ideal world” of Teyvat that he created. This lines up well with the idea of Phanes being a creator god similar to that of Gnosticism - A deeply flawed Demiurge, who wanted to create a perfect world, therefore split up “good” and “evil” creating his own worst enemy alongside his paradise. In psychology, this is called “splitting”. When one begins to aggressively categorize things as either fully good or evil. Dragons and heroes, an innocent game in childhood, a self-destructive delusion in adulthood. (As with the Narzissenkreuz gang.) Phanes, in the beginning (Or is it the end..? Just a time travel thing that’s another long story.) decided to live inside his own eggshell, creating a thriving, perfect world. A god that should have no fear, hiding from his own shadow, his own darkest self. Every living creature created by Phanes rejects “The Abyss”. A human being so deep in denial faced with past trauma may mentally regress and experience flashbacks of traumatic events. As Phanes is a god, his beloved humans regress from technological and cultural advancement to a tribal stage, taking on a hairy, animalistic appearance. Natural disasters are the representations of flashbacks. Red skies, dying plants, destroyed cities… As certain inhabitants of world get more curious about the truths of the world, they may reconnect with this collective unconscious (The unconscious Phanes) and see visions of “Apocalypse” which look similar for everyone that comes into contact with it. Melusines see something different, initially beautiful landscapes since they came from Elynas, who came from the Shadow Realm. Re-connecting with the “accepted parts” is initially a pleasant experience for them. As Canotila says: “I see: The flames on the throne have been extinguished, and the burnt ashes have once again turned into trees. Flowers bloom with your every step, bringing change to an otherwise inevitable decay in the future.” - A Melusine can accept the truth and still perceive the world as a “garden”. They just want to be integrated, but then… “I just wanted to see the blooming sunflowers and the cute puppy... But a monster came after me, and the sky got darker. I heard many voices talking about things that I didn't understand. The world got a little darker whenever the monster came near. The garden, the palace, the great trees, and the flowers all disappeared. It was very gloomy, and I only saw ruins...” - Canotila’s garden turned into “Apocalypse” after she got comfortable with the truth, but she experienced the violent rejection that the dreamscape (Phanes and his ideal world) show towards something that “shouldn’t be here” (truth). I don’t think the Traveler is truly from another world either. Just another repressed aspect of Phanes, who may or may not be able to help the situation of this mental wreck of a god…
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