This proves that trucking is not just about sitting behind the wheel and driving. This video shows the amount of math that is used to make sure that we are as profitable as possible. Amazing content!
Plus add the 8/2 split . wich is not hard but if you doing it often that mean you must track and double check what ypu doing or it will mess up your HOS
Running west coast is what burned his fuel. I've done it full time from Edmonton to Los Angeles and boy do those mountains burn up your fuel. Soon as he said west coast I knew where his fuel went.
He forgot to mention that the dispatcher didn’t like the other driver and was giving him the shit paying loads while giving the other driver the cherry loads 😂
I was actually thinking all their freight sucks.... I work 5 days a week and gross more. Hell, I only worked 4 days last week and put 8600 on the truck.....
I will run 70-75 quite often due to a tight schedule but I factor that into the price when I bid the load. If I set my cruise at 70 I will get 7mpg if I set it at 75 I will get 6.4-6.5mpg if I set it at 65 I will get around 7.5. Now here is the odd part. If I set it at 77-78 I will get 6.8-7mpg. I have no idea how your guy is getting 5.8 with a DD15 with an automatic. I run a ISX with a manual he should be running circles around me in fuel mileage! 30 years ago I would get 6 mpg and better out of a B series Cat running 60-62 when the speed limit was 55. Every truck has a sweet spot you just have to find it. I also don't buy fuel at the big chain stops. I save 40-50 cents a gallon just doing that and I have never gotten bad fuel. Everybody has to remember that fuel is the biggest expense we have. That goes for company drivers also. Trucking is not a high margin business! If you an Owner Operator and you are not paying attention to to your cost and keeping your equipment maintained you are setting yourself on a path for failure. If you are out there taking fuel draws on every load you need to hang it up your expenses are to high. If you are hauling cheap freight you are just screwing yourself and everyone else out here trying to make a living! I don't know about Ya'll but I like having nice things! I just have no desire to live in a trailer park! The only thing you have to sell is a service! The way you do that is with late model well maintained equipment and on time service and get everything there in the same condition you picked it up! I will get anywhere from 3-500 more than what a broker wants to pay because they know it will be there on time and in the same condition I picked it up in! When they ask for your MC number it is to see how many loads you have hauled for them, if you have ever been late and if you have ever had any damage claims and your safety score. If it is all good you can get a premium price. If not you won't get a premium price. Another way to get premium prices are when you crawl out of that cab be well groomed well dressed and well mannered! If you crawl out of that cab wearing flip-flops shorts and a t shirt with man boobs guess what? The will have no respect for you what soever! Same thing goes if you get pulled over or get pulled into a scale. Be clean cut look professional and be polite you will most likely get a warning if you cop an attitude you are getting a ticket and they are going to look for more crap to ruin your day if you run into a total ass the place to fight that is in court not along the side of the road! Remember folks! You are business men! Lets start acting like it! If you need to piss use the restroom not the parking lot. Throw your garbage in a dumpster be considerate of the people that have been nice enough to let you park there! If they charge to park get over it! They are in business to make a profit just like you and they have expenses picking up after the slobs that trash the place also charging a fee to park keeps the slobs out because they have no idea of how to manage money and it keeps the place smelling better and un trashed! I do not have a problem at all paying to park! I just write it off on my taxes anyway. Lets get this industry back where it used to be! Truckers used to be respected by the public we used to stop along side the road to check on people to make sure they are okay. If someone needed to chain up and didn't know how we would help them! If Grandma had a flat we would stop and change it. Back in 86 or 87 I broke down near needles Calf no cell phones then a JB Hunt Driver going east bound pulled over because he seen my cab jacked up and just assumed I needed some water. He walked 1/2 mile back to me with 2 gallons of water just because he was a good guy. That 2 gallons of water got me into the rest area where I could call our shop and arrange to get towed to Barstow. While I was waiting for a hook a Man and his Wife from Connecticut noticed that I was sweating my ass off while I had the cab jacked up with no air conditioning and come over to see if I needed help. I told them I had a hook on the way from Barstow. They invited me to sit in their air-conditioned van to cool off and would not leave until the hook arrived! That my friends is the society we need to get back to and strive for! United we stand divided we fall the only ones who gain are the leftist communist!
All in the gear selection and RPMs. Also dealing with traffic, wind and terrain. I do agree its low, but it sounds like he is hounding the throttle keeping it lower heared higber RPMs vs you being able to choose a gear and stay.
Brother, you’re living in a fantasy. Society has changed and so has the industry. If drivers want to be sloppy bums, that’s their personal problem, not mine. I’m well groomed, I work out in my truck to maintain condition and lastly but just as important, I MIND MY OWN BUSINESS. Let those individuals that are ruining things deal with the consequences because it will catch up with them.
Mountains will get you. In Pennsylvania I won’t use the toll roads. That gives me 2 options. Take I-68 which is very fuel consuming with the mountains. Or I-80 depends on where my delivery is. It’s tricky with the mountains, but the Pennsylvania toll roads are the most expensive for trucks in the US. Now un Ohio and Indiana I will take the toll because of the extra miles it takes to get down to US-30 or others is negligible and I can keep on time delivery. It’s definitely a math game for operators. I come in about 4,000 US take home every 2 weeks. So based in this I’m doing quite well. But I could maybe improve in areas. One thing I don’t do is west, I stay east of the Mississippi. No Canada either. I’m governed at 65.
Back up the bus. The guy ran 6000 miles and only grossed 8800 , the problem isn't with his foot, it's either your crappy rates or your screwing him on his percentage.
Neither driver made money. Both glorified company drivers. And probably not even getting paid a good percentage. If you're leased onto a company you should be be grossing between 5k-10k weekly (ball park estimation) depending on the rates you're getting and what you're hauling. Anything less, you should just go be a company driver.
hi Thanks for the feedback, have you watched part 2 of this video,? he explains a lot of your points. Also stay tuned, part 3 is coming out in a couple days.
Another aspect is the weight of the load causing greater fuel consumption. If two drivers travel the same distance, but one driver average 40k loads and the other 25k, then the 25k would have a greater MPG...possibly. I think it was the "poor" driver who received the overweight ticket...
"Rich" Driver is probably racking in over 100k, a year, and "Poor" Driver about 50k or so. So I wouldn't call rich driver rich, but I wouldn't call poor driver poor.
Very informative! Never considered the business economics of trucking before, but it’s cool to see the diff btwn success and struggling shown so plainly
I am a retired driver and all I can say is, I wish there were more companies out there that cared about their driver as yours does. When I was driving both as a company and owner operator. All they cared about was getting the freight to the destination anyway possible.
Loving the videos, excellent info! I just became a lease op and have changed the way I drive. Driving 62mph and accelerating slow, I was able to get 8.22mpg. My truck is a 2017 Pete 579 Glider with the 12.7L Series 60 Detroit running local hauling fuel.
Honestly, this amount of tracking is concerning. I get the point of it, however its intrusive. I see why drivers typically quit. I do agree with traveling slower, but locking a truck is creating a safty risk. If i need to boogy out if the way or to pass, i dint want to be in a pissing contest on who has the higher set governer.. Also, terrain, wind, traffic and load weight was not brought into this. If you want equal testing, take the 2 drivers, same routes same weights same days at the same time. Thays a true test. Theres too many variables here.
I agree, every load is different. And whether conditions play a big part in trucking. This video needs more explaining, the same truck and miles don’t explain why the driver was making less money.
Yeah these analytics are just a cover to rip people off. They talk about making money for drivers, really they take a cut and they only care about making profits. It's like a trucking MLM. Scam.
Another good video, love seeing honest reports about how easy it is to screw youself by driving to fast etc. 30 years in this industry I can confirm you are right on the money with this one
Great video. I suggested in 1996 that our company have 1 on 1 meetings with drivers to show them how they could save fuel and take home more. And also suggested that company drivers be given incentives to drive more efficiently. It went nowhere. The drivers that you are coaching don't know how lucky they are.
Here are some tricks to save fuel: - Move your fifth wheel closer to the main drive axle According to Cummins engine manufactures tricking the engine into carrying the load versus pulling the load will save a substantial amount of fuel, by keeping more weight on your drives you increase traction reducing rotation slipping on the road and pull better up Mountain terrain‘s - having the right tires Bridgestone and Firestone are the only tire manufacturer that has the best traction technology in comparison to the competitions - use MotorKote oil over all competitions in your diesel engine, it is the only oil in the industry that is 100% anti-friction - have your truck axles Spect for a 3.0 and under gear ratio, this will lower your RPMs and burn less fuel - Install a visor on your truck, the visor on top of any semi truck is not for blocking out the sun, it’s aerodynamics, the air goes under the visor and pulls the truck along the road - Have your tires properly inflated Under inflated tires causes the truck engine to demand more fuel - keep your truck cleaned Dirty dirty truck causes air to stick to your truck causing air friction forcing your engine to demand more fuel - Calculate your fuel to distance ratio In a DD 15 500 hp engine with the gear ratio at 3.0 and under, 25 gallons is equal to 100 miles at 65 mph LTL (7 to 18 tons) 20 to 21 gallons per 100 miles FTL (25 - 36tons) - Keep your fifth wheel grazed A dry fifth wheel under a heavy load will cause extreme friction and cause your engine to demand more fuel when making 90° turns - Use nitro gas shocks Gas shocks respond better to rough roads, most gas shocks rebound this standard position to your weight, thus maintaining minimal amount of traction loss
Hey do the math. Let's say you have a rate of 1.80 a miles 72 mpg will give you 66 mph average. Now slow to 62 with the lag factor of hills do to slower speed would be 54 mph. Now add the E-log factor. So if you can log 60 hours of drive time in the 8 days so let's dig in... so at 54 mph average $5,832 in gross revenue. Now for the sake of this comment I'm going to use my 2004 t600 c15 cat with a 10 speed 3:55 gears with the final on transmission being .74 with 40.7 inch rubber or 11r22.5 tires. So at 62 I can get up too 6.5 mpg so let's see what our profits would be after fuel per hour with fuel costing $3 per gallon. $4,336.62 on 60 hours or $72.27 per hour. Now let's bump it up to 72 witch I get 5.9 by doing this... $7,128 would be my gross $5,114.44 net or $85.24 per hour after fuel. So that works out to be $12.72 per hour earned on 60 hours of drive time in an 8 day period. Now yes your tires are going to take a 10% increase of wear and tare so let's see what that means. I'm running XDN2 Michelin drives and XOne steers. I get about 180k miles with steers and 450-550k miles out of my drives. Oil and all everything els with the truck is not effected by this because after all everything was engineered for 75 mph. Or 1800 rpm. Look it up that is where all diesel engines perform at max performance... PERFORMANCE!!! not fuel mileage... now let's see what I'm loosing on that 10% hell let's make it 20% extra wear and tare. So let's stick to 450k on drives slowing down would bring that up to 540k miles and 216k miles for steers. Now let's see how much we are loosing per hour so for a set of steers you will pay 580 per side so that would be .0053 cents per miles slower speeds or .0064 cents higher speed now for drives. 540 per tire x8 .008 slower speeds or .0096 faster speeds. So worst-case your cost would increase by .18 cents per hour so that gives you $12.54 per hour extra. Now let's do that on a 40 week year...$30,100.32 extra pay in your pocket every year by running the speed limit and not blocking the road way. Now if we was still on paper logs we could run 62 but show 72 be safer make all that extra money and rest when we felt tired like we use to. Accidents are still taking place the difference is now we have technology to show who really is at fault versus oh it was a truck driver... yep hang that driver!!!! Technology is evil and keeps you the business owner from making tons of money and puts to much stress on the drivers. Now I would support E-log if they got rid of the 70/8 rule and just gave us 11 hours on 14 every single day we wanted to work. Then you could slow down and make money however you would still make more running faster no matter what on E-logs because that clock stops on 11 where as paper you could do 12-13 hours safely....
He never mentioned load weights on both trucks, that would make a big difference in fuel consumption and the terrain they were driving in, mountains vs flat territory
You're right he never talked about load weights. Lighter loads make better fuel consumption. Also he did say the second driver got an over load ticket so he at least was running heavy. Nothing about the first driver.
I drive west coast mountain, BC/Ab, and I do my best to (try) avg 7.5mpg or 35L/100km. Mid West/Prairie driving I do better dispute the wind; either way, this vid proves trucking is more than just holding a steering wheel. Good show
Great video, well explained. My one question is if companies could save that much in fuel why don’t they split it with their company drivers? Instead of only offering a measly hundred dollars a month if you meet If you meet their fuel bonus. Because as a company driver it is more beneficial for me to get more miles. Than to go slower and possibly loose out on maybe a extra run or two by end of month. So what are you guess I’m saying is why wouldn’t they wanna split the difference with a company driver on the cost of the fuel that they would save in that one example you gave it was over $2000 Canadian in 15 days. Is it because they think that that would be too much to give to a driver that’s saving them $2000 in 15 days. Or is it just greed on their part did they think by giving us $100 bonus they would be able to keep almost or save almost $4000 a month in fuel cost and not past some of that benefit onto the drivers
excellent video, well done for highlighting the differences. As a driver/assessor here in the UK I come across the same issues. Drivers who treat the trucks as racing machines always compare badly to those who show more sympathy for the truck, take off smooth, slow down gradually-not at the last moment, use the cruise control to take your speed up and down use the engine (Jake) brake to hold you back downhill as well as keeping in the green band on the rev counter. On a good day grossing 40-44000kg (96800lbs) we can still return 10-11mpg with speeds up to 53 mph on busy roads. Keep up the good work......
Rule #1 don’t lease, $2600 a month for a year is $31.000 you can buy a beyond solid truck, and after a year you’re payment free. Sure won’t be new but if you’re smart and get something rebuilt it’ll make same money, insurance a grand a month and then you’re set. This whole lease thing is horrible, people just pay all types of things not even realizing how much they’re throwing away. I have drivers pull up to me all the time talking crap on how my truck is all this and that.. If I don’t drive at all my monthly expense is like $1700 with trailer lease and insurance... I’m ok if loads are cheap, down the road I can get something newer. This video just shows that it’s a lot more to trucking than holding the wheel, you’re a business owner, accountant, mechanics, etc and the video hit spot on. I understand your business offers lease etc as options and nothing wrong with that but those are just my two cents. Take care
Obviously you are a single person living in a truck with zero expenses if you can afford to bank $2,600 a month out of a company driver paycheck every month
@@otrookie I'm sure you can as a owner op but to become a oo you 1st need a truck and for drivers working for a company that has home and family depending on them its not so easy to save ...this is why so many end up in lease purchases chasing a dream
I run a 2018 Cascadia (13 speed manual), but according to my metrics I only average about 5.7/5.8 miles per gallon lately, the highest I've been able to achieve is 6.5 average when I really tried, but my company has no incentive program for milage. I do a lot of hill country out East, and I'm carrying a lot of maxed out tridem loads. Load size makes a big difference but it hasn't really been talked about here. Also, it's very easy for me to achieve high MPGs when I'm traveling between places in the Midwest, I'll usually average between 7 and 7.5 miles per gallon, and then watch it go down like crazy when I hit the Appalachians. Hilly terrain makes a massive difference in what you can achieve efficiency wise. Awesome video though! I'll be watching more Edit: grammar
I think how you help your drivers with analytical support is amazing, for a person like me getting back into the industry its awesome to see the support system you have….Lee
Thanks for this valuable information man I started working with my company in December, learned how weight and fuel management makes a huge difference in fuel consumption. Now I see how one driver can make more than another driver in two weeks. Wow. I’m aiming to be an owner operator soon and I’ve seen your other videos!
Honestly he addressed it but skimmed over the effects the lower paid driver was running western states primarily and the better paid driver was running mid west. Running the western states pulling heavy loads is going to kill your fuel economy. Where running the plains pulling light is gonna boost it even if your running 70 in a properly set up truck for running that way.
Awesome vid👍great insight, for farmers like me it’s good learning experience we can save fuel in bulk storage avoiding fuel shortages during peaks seasons of sowing n harvesting. I was talking to truck mechanic who with one biggest transport company n he said maintenance can make big difference in saving money in long term ownership. Parts would be replaced when needed but if part wasn’t up to full job they would replace it no questions ask, as break down on side of the road would be into thousand. I strongly believe knowing truck n talking to mechanics can help avoid break downs.
Awesome content! You have a new subscriber. I have worked with Lease Purchase / Owner Operators for the last decade. I have had several similar conversations along the way. You did a great job overviewing this side by side comparison.
Idle time and terrain is the biggest factor here. I drove the same truck, L.A. to Dallas on i40. Governed at 72 mph with a heavy load I would avg 8.8 mpg. Idle was very low since I shut it off and used the apu when I knew I'd be stopped for more than a few minutes.
Don't mind doing 60mph to 62mph. I really disagree with governing the trucks at that speed. 1 for impeding traffic, and secondly for safety in a steer tire blow out.
It also proves that unless you out right own your truck the leasing company will still dictate what's you are allowed to run your truck at just like a regular company driver
Sure, I thought the same. I know many drivers who decline loads to the west. For that reason, some companies pay more per mile. Plus, it's hard on your truck.
Im going into a paid for cdl program because i dont have any money. Ill have to sign on with them (schneider) for 9 months after. Do you think one day I can earn as much as you? Do you have any advice you could give? Do you know if Schneider is a good company to work for?
Damn 15% idle time is acceptable with an APU? I was figuring they were not equipped with APUs. My idle time is usually between 1-3% with the APU. Sometimes a little higher during extreme cold because of idling to prevent fuel gelling.
That's what I always thought! I see few trucks passing me going like 120+ and always wondered if the time they save will exchange for fuel consumption costs, my friends stopped driving 105 and do 100 cos even this makes better $, just 5km/h wow. Thx for Your video, extremely informative and best thing it ain't just talking but proving and backing with real info. Very nice!
My advice for anyone here. Save your money. Then get your own authority, fuel card, go through people that specialize in permits/ifta, and insurance. When I hear someone taking home 5k every two weeks I cringe. They should be doing that almost every week. Yes I'm talking about Net not Gross. I typically gross 8k-9k every week also. Take home $4500 to 6k every week. I run my 2020 automatic freightliner between 68 to 72 mph on average 2500 miles a week. Then go through a broker that will find you loads. They typically take 7% - 13% depending on who they are and what they offer. I refuse driving for other carrier's because you just don't make money like you should when you're under them.
Jon yea I got the same quote I have 2 manual Volvo trucks paid off but they keep breaking down. I have been thinking about renting from Ryder or Penske but I heard buying brand new like you did is much cheaper. Someone told me they pay $800 a month for brand new cascadia freightliner and that includes repairs if it breaks down
The price difference on fuel is a good example to show what happens when fuel goes up, but it’s actually more of a split that what you demonstrated. Depending on how you calculate and pay FSC to your lease drivers the open truck is going to make significantly less. Assuming you are around $1.20/6 for calculating FSC, the 62 mph drover will theoretically “make money” on fuel due to the fact he’s beating that 6 mpg number used to calculate FSC.
Do u buy fuel if u don’t then please shut God loving praise n worship mouth n use it to uplift. His money is not your money n pray for him b4 ur quick to speak.
THE RICH STAY RICH BY SPENDING LIKE THE POOR AND INVESTING WITHOUT STOPPING THEN THE POOR STAY POOR BY SPENDING LIKE THE RICH YET NOT INVESTING LIKE THE RICH.
If that’s all they’re making they should park them. $8,000 to $10,000 a week after expenses is easy to do these days and be home every weekend at least for me anyways. Lots of guys out here I know doing it. Know what you’re doing with the rates these days this is easy pickings
@@bradm6287 You must be a company driver or aren’t a part of the industry at all. If you know how to pick your loads going out and coming back it’s very much doable. Do you know anything about rates and the economy or supply and demand? It’s not rocket science bud. Some are just better at it than others. Pay your dues and pay attention along the way. You too can make something out of yourself that you didn’t think was possible.
@@bradm6287 I’m just a little fish in the game. Guy’s doing $15k-$25k a week in this economy. Thanks in part to a PLANdemic and the so called driver shortage. I’ll take mine while I can get it.
@@bradm6287 Yes I am/They’re/We’re. I’ll keep doing what I do to succeed and you do whatever it is you do. Practice doing better for yourself and worry less about others business and you to will succeed. It’s all in the numbers and it’s there for the taking. Go get it.
My day cab has exactly zero aero fairings. It gets 4.6-5.5 no matter what I do. It turns 1325 RPM at 75mph. If I go slower all it does is lug more and downshift on the hills all the time, creating soot, burning def, and killing progress. If I let her roll, she stays in overdrive and gets the same MPG climbing the hills at 65mph as she does grunting in direct drive at 55. There's no point being a turtle.
Unfortunately you only take into the equation of driving habits but you don't take into consideration dispatcher habits. You get that load there on time no matter what. The other thing is running the west coast vs running local. Too many variables. I got a new truck and it is governed and it gets worse mileage than my old one. 4.3 loaded or empty. Not good.
Yeah I don't trust this manager. He doesn't take into account traffic, elevations, road closures, weather and all of that. Just completely ignores reality and craps on his drivers. Treats them like dogs. I would never want to work for this guy.
You’re going to lock up a lease purchase truck? That’s enough to turn me away. If I’m going to lease PURCHASE a truck it’s going to run whatever I want it to run. One driver running flat Midwest and the other driving west coast??? That’s a ridiculous comparison from the start. Smh
Great video, very informative! I see a lot of new box truck owner operators starting up in the U.S. who have zero experience in the accounting aspect of the business so they end up either quiting or barely making it. Planning is key in being successful.