Please remember, it was amateur historian Philippa Langley, who's seven year research for the lost remains of Richard III. She was the driving force behind an excavation carried out in a car park in Leicester in 2012 which, incredibly, uncovered the bones of the last Plantagenet king. However, the actual digging was planned and carried out by archaeologists from the University of Leicester .
In 2022, a movie was made about this discovery and true enough Philipa langley was the actual driving force who made this discovery possible. Though, initially when Ms Langley approached University of Leicester for collaberation, they said she was crazy.... LOL
Thank you for reminding the readers of this BASIC REALIY! This is a fascinating video but also confirms without a doubt the arrogance of these ‘experts’ by their allocating all the credit of discovering RIII’s body to themselves! NASTY.
The digging was indeed carried out by the archaeologists but let us never forget that it was Philippa Langley who pinpointed the exact location of the grave and church as being in the northern end of the Social Services car park. The name - Philippa Langley should and will go down in our history books.
Everyone connected with this project should be justifiably proud, but especial credit should be offered to Phillipa Langley, whose dogged determination to find Richard III eventually led to this phenomenal discovery.
Aren’t they? Because in this video on cam see the university recognise her as the one that got things started, which the movie would have us believe they didn’t do. As in “The Lost King” there is a theme of dogging into the story in order to sift out fact from fiction 😉
As she said "The only press conference that mattered was the one on 4 February 2013 to confirm that the remains were those of Richard III. That conference was the one attended by the world's media. I was not invited by the University to sit on the panel that faced the journalists and the University wrongly presented themselves as leading the search that I had commissioned and paid for. It is true the University invited me to address the conference but as the 13th of 13 speakers, long after the live TV news feed had ended."
Shame on the Uni. for the slightest of acknowledgment to Phillipa Langley, at the end. She did all the research, raised the funding, and told you where to dig. You took the glory.
Congratulations to Phillippa Langley, who should have been front and centre up front rather than consigned to a seat down below. The grandstanding/praise seeking by the University is unfortunate and diminishes their big (albeit belated) contribution to the whole project (speaking as a newbie to the whole affair who saw the 2022 movie The Lost King yesterday).
As Philippa Langley said "The only press conference that mattered was the one on 4 February 2013 to confirm that the remains were those of Richard III. The University wrongly presented themselves as leading the search that I had commissioned and paid for." Wiki.
That's not what was said in the above press Conference. Not one of them claimed to have done anything until the skeleton was found and they could go to work on it. PL is explicitly referred to at the end as "having compelled our attention". This is a tribute to those years of work that she put in and, imo, an acknowledgement of their sluggishness in paying attention to her evidence. Nevertheless, finding a skeleton is a long way from proving its identity. She could not possibly have done that work. All of the subsequent investigations were undertaken and paid for by the U of L. I think she should stop whining and grandstanding and bask in the science that proved her argument. They are nothing without each other.
I’m so glad there is now a wonderful movie which gives Philippa Langley the attention and credit she deserves and not just the brief mention at the end of the pontificating academics press conference.
Disgusted with the University of Leicester. They’ve withdrawn recognition of Phillipa Langley and remove all trace of the original King in the Carpark video, because it makes them look arrogant and dismissive of her.
You mean the King in The Car Park documentary that is still available on Channel 4's site? (it was their documentary. Not sure how a university is supposed ot influence a commercially made documentary, or why her name appears so frequently on the university's own site if they withdrew recognition?)
@Tim Webb Actually if you listen to Turi King's lecture on this project, he was found one parking space over from the "R". Not under the "R" but close enough!
@Computer User - Respectfully, the Natives were NOT the '1st' people in North America....and it IS the Lord GOD 'WHO DECIDES' who takes over what land on this earth, and who doesn't....Amen
Very true, but the science of telling his story was done by researchers and scientists. By no means scientists take away the fact of previous research, amateur or not.
As a longtime supporter of Richard III (beginning when I read Josephine Tey's 'The Daughter of Time' in high school) I am delighted that his remains have finally been put to rest in the manner in which they deserve, and I applaud all those who contributed to the recovery and identification of his body. 'Loyalte me lie-Loyalty binds Me'. Requiescat En Pacem Ricardus III.
This is one of the most amazing discoveries. It aligns history, myth and science to finally confirm much of the story as told by the official history. The very existence of the skeleton in such good condition and still in situ despite the centuries of upheaval and building is nothing short of astounding.
What’s even more astounding, if it’s possible to be, is the fact that the only way of proving the skeleton _was_ Richard was taking DNA from 2 people, both of whom are the last of their lines!
Sad.What went wrong?I love everything to do with archaeology.The cold(!)heat(!)broken nails(!)mud baths...No,I love it.Its an awesome experience & new every time.Its funny how many times you are asked if you've found any Dino's yet.My boss used to draw a deeeep breath & say "That's paleontology,this is archaeology!"
I love everything about this story. You can tell that they're all so excited to share their discovery that they're straining to keep their voices under control. I wouldn't blame them in the slightest if they hopped in front of the cameras and hollered, "Ladies and gentlemen, WE FOUND THE KING!"
Watching this once again after so many years, I'm jumping up and down with excitement just as I did when this press conference first happened! Well done to everyone involved!
There’s just something about the whole thing that is so awe-inducing & mind boggling in the best way possible that even after months or years it’s still so hard to fathom how on earth this came to be, how it all happened at just the right time. Everything that had to come together in just the right way at just the right time to not just find him but prove beyond doubt that it’s him… wow, just wow.
THIS is such a fascinating presentation !!! I was in tears 😢! May He finally rest in peace ! Even an American from Tennessee USA ❤️ can appreciate the history and excitement of connecting to ancestors ! My family are the Greshams, descended from the close friend of William the Conqueror ! So, so exciting and heartwarming !!!
@@t.c.thompson2359 WOW, that's so awesome !!! Now, let's go reclaim our Castles and Land and Gold !!! So cool, thanks so much ❤️ for sharing that with me ! Are you still in England, or did your family come over to US also ?
Gayle, I am working on a family members history, from Tennessee, by the name of Grisham. Could there be a spelling change? Highly possible I would think. Would like to compare these family lines compared to yours. I have not worked on this family too long, only for about a month, but I go back to a Pryor S. Grisham b/1863 unk. Tennessee, d/ 1928 Nashville, Tn. had married Liddie Woodard, b/ 1862 Tenn. Pryor's father was James Grisham, possibly born in North Carolina.
@@williamboyd5990 Yes, evidently the original spelling in England was Gresham, but was later Grissom, Grisham, other changes like that ! Very interesting what you have discovered ☺️ !
Where is the honorary doctorate for Philippa Langley from the University of Leicester? Without her knowledge and expertise, the University would have much less material to promote itself.
...well!...what else is there to say?... CONGRATULATIONS! :) Let Richard rest, surrounded by the respect due not only to a King of England, but also to a brave man, that would rather die than retreat.
Please watch the film ‘The Lost King’ it shows the people shown in this clip as ‘Glory takers’ not giving the real credit for finding the remains on Richard 111 to the woman responsible. Philippa Langley. Credit where credit is due.
Exactly. Without her passion, fundraising, advocacy etc. these academics wouldn’t have had a GF Dig to talk about in the first place, never mind RIII’s remains & their journey to share in a a press conference.
I recommend watching the film, The Lost King. If the film is true, the way the people on this panel treated and sidelined Phillipa Langley was a disgrace.
The reason Philippa Langley wasn't mentioned as much as she should have been is because if someone who is viewed as a non-academic by the University can do 7 years of research and correctly identify the location, it essentially suggests that academics aren't as highly valuable as is generally believed. I.e if a member of the public can make these groundbreaking discoveries but an established university can't, it reflects VERY badly on the university.
This fasinated me since 2 years and what a wonderful expedition into a vanished world. Absolut astonishing. And what a joy for those who were engaged in this project!
Congratulations to all involved with this fantastic discovery of King Richard lll And thankyou to the University of Leicester for this Video for us all to see.
I see no mention of Phillips Langley at all. An amateur historian who did all the hard work to locate the burial place. The Uni of Leicester planned and executed the dig
Who else is here after seeing the movie "The Lost King"? I was interested in this at the time, but now have a different perspective of course. I was struck by the similarity between this and the Sutton Hoo dig. Shame on the usurpers who try to claim what is not their work. Looking at you, University of Leicester.
AT 3:55 would have been an appropriate time to explain how and why the excavation happened, that it was spearheaded by Phillipa Langley. But R. Buckley skipped right over that step in the explanation. Shows how badly academics treat non-academics.
The car park in Leicester was next door to my old school (Alderman Newtons Boys School) but of course we never knew he was there. It was generally thought that his body was slung in the river just down the road.
Not underrated….infamous!! The way Henry VII made it his business to suppress as much as he could about Richard’s true character, even directing William Shakespeare’s smear of Richard in a play, truly speaks to his clear knowledge that his claim on the throne was tenuous, at best, and that his conscience was bothered. And he was not a happy man, even before he lost his eldest son and heir and his loving wife, who died trying to give him another son. People never knew who to believe or who was right about Richard’s true character. At any rate, Richard III’s reputation will always be tarnished, too, unless historians find out who killed the young Princes in the Tower, the eldest of whom was the true King.
@@voraciousreader3341 I understand there was very little doubt who had killed them prior to his death. I'd point you in the direction of the historian David Starkey and his talks on the Wars of the Roses and the Tudor usurpation.....I mean succession of course.
Very true ! Nowadays, royalty sits collecting their millions until their turn to polish the throne with their rear end. Back then, you had to pick up your sword and kill anyone else who threatened your claim and reign ! They had to be brave and vicious to survive !!!!
I despise the turn coat Stanley's who brought the Tudors to the throne Richard wasn't fool enough to trust them.He knew their reputation.But he needed the men.He took Lord Strange,Stanley's eldest son as hostage for his father's good behaviour.Stanley's response shows what he was.He sent Diccon a message."I have other sons!"Nice to know your father loves you,isn't it?!And there is no evidence that the young Princes were killed Especially as things have come to light regarding what possibly happened to Edward.
@@voraciousreader3341 Shakespeare wrote for Henry's granddaughter,Red Liz.And it was H7 who killed kids.Clarence's son,imprisoned since the age of ten for being who he was,& young Perkin Warbeck who convinced the Scottish king of his birth,so that he gave him.his cousin in marriage.He would hardly have done that for an imposter no matter how much he wanted to annoy the Usurper.H8 murdered Clarence's daughter,an old lady,among the victims he destroyed.I loathe the whole Tudor breed.Yet he must've had some good qualities as Bess of York loved him & gave her life trying to give him another son.
55 years ago, my freshman year in college, I was assigned a speech to persuade. Believing on the value of building on what I already knew, and having joyously presented a book report the previous year on Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time, I chose to use her as supporting documentation to persuade my audience that Richard III was a falsely accused innocent. My instructor chose to point to my level of enthusiasm for an English king who had been dead for 475 years, as a salient element of persuasion. What she didn't know was that I genuinely believed in the truth of my argument! Another good read on Richard is Rosemary Hawley Jarman's We Speak No Treason.
random people may make the discoveries, but universities always take the credit, doesn't matter if it's dinosaur bones, cave art, or in this case King Richard the 3rd, it always happens.
It's obvious watching this after seeing the new film - The Lost King - that Leicester University did exactly what the film shows - froze out Phillipa Langley, the real finder of Richard III. Let's see if Richard Taylor, seen taking the credit here, really does sue the producers for defamation. He won't dare.
They showed her sitting in the front row, and _named her,_ giving her credit for convincing the university to go ahead with the project, so how did they freeze her out??
@@voraciousreader3341 Because she is the one who actually found the king ! The exact spot for god's sake, after 7 years of personal research and recognized by the queen herself with MBE. Yet here she was not seated among them but down with reporters, only thanked in the last minute along thanking Leicester council ! You could hardly see her face in the split second she was shown on camera. So if this is not sidelining then I don't know what is. I am so glad they made the Lost King movie , which was amazing by the way, and serve her some justice.
Its typical of academics to omit those who although may not have the required piece of paper BUT do wonderful work. Phillipa should have been here, she kept at it and found him . She should be acknowledged at every presentation. Poor show uni of Leicester 😢
As someone who is not from York, and has now selfish reasons for him to be buried there, I also think he should be buried in York. What I hate more than anything is that this is being argued about over financial reasons though. This was a person, and a former King of England. I understand that traditionally this would mean near where he was found. But if it is genuinely believed he wanted York, then so be it. I would want my wishes to be given similar respect, even if it was 500 years later.
A truly remakable breakthrough especially given the background. A lesson in family history in that stories get handed down through generations often have more than a grain of truth about them than imagined even if they are a bit exagerrated or confused.
Phillipa Langley drove the project, The Richard the 3rd society funded most of the dig. There is some question of who the archeologists were actually working for. It's rather uncomfortable listening to the University co-opt information from Phillipa's proposal for their presentations. I m having an issue believing that anyone associated with the University of Leicester has any ethics.
It’s hard to imagine it wouldn’t be painful. I have lumbar scoliosis which gradually worsens over time. It’s not remotely as severe as R3’s, but it can be excruciating. I think even worse is the work the rest of the body takes on to compensate. Medieval diet aside, small wonder he was “slender”. Ouch’s! 😳
I live in the United States. My ancesters came to America in 1636 from York, England. I have always been fascinated by English history especially the kings and queens. After seeing the real face of King Richard III modeled from his skull I had a reaction I didn't think I would have. I now have a really bad crush on King Richard III. I think he is good looking and I love his eyes. He has a kinder, nicer looking face than portrayed in old paintings of him. I was born 500+ years too late.
If you really want to have a crush on Richard, take a look at Aneurin Bernard’s depiction of him in the dramatisation of Philippa Gregory’s ‘The White Queen’. Phwoaaaar!
@@ZOSOqueen The White Queen is a load of bull crap. The actor playing Richard is very handsome,that’s true,but that’s a tiny compensation. Battle of Bosworth …..in the snow 😂😂😂😂
I heard only slight credit to Phillipa Langley, the lady from the Richard III Society who zeroed in on the parking lot in the first place. Nobody else cried when he was found and when it was proven to be him.
She wasn’t the first person to ”zero in” on the carpark. The location of the friary was never lost. The carpark just so happened to be the only part of the Friary precinct available for excavation, as the rest of the area was covered in residential housing. To be absolutely clear, it wasn’t any great achievement to figure out where the friary was. Deciding to look in the friary precinct rather than in some other part of the city or indeed downstream was the real decision. Seriously. These are experts with decades of experience. You guys are treating academia like it’s a reality TV show where Kim Kardashian is trying to steal credit. It’s pathetic.
@@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaayet these experts with decades of experience had to be convinced by Philippa, then they took credit for the discovery. Very scummy shady.
Let us never forget that it was an unassuming amateur historian with zero knowledge of archaeology that led the search and ultimately pinpointed the exact location of the grave of Richard III under a carpark. The name - Philippa Langley will go down in history.
It was Philippa Langleys work, research and determination to locate the grave and she came up with the funding .The University had not much to do with it.
When the professor spoke on the written documentation, I found that very interesting. She mentions how our interpretation may need to be more literal, rather than circumspect. In this case, it supported everything very well, but how academia views historical accounts may need to be examined more closely. I agree! 😊
Wow! Simply amazing group of scholars working together to come to this conclusion. Thank you University of Leicester for the gifts you have given the world.
So apt that the lady who actually found Richard III was someone who shares the same name as his Great, great grandmother, Phillipa of Hainaut! My family is associated with the same line but follows that of Lionel, Duke of Clarence and his wife Elizabeth de Burgh and joins up again with Richard III line at Anne Mortimer.
I've only begun to read the history of England, Ireland & Scotland. Time Team, English Heritage & channels of history. This really touched my heart. The dedication so deeply in the heart's if everyone involved. Amazing & awesome.
You should read about the history of britain which is england scotland and don't forget Wales. Irish history really shouldn't be put in with the other too. Very different countries.
Millions of lrish have moved to britain over the years and vice versa...British army and navy was a 3rd irish at the height of empire,etc,etc..that kind of intertwined.
I have to say I am from Leicester, Leicester born and bred, but nevertheless still believe that Richard should be interred in York. I know this position will not be very popular with people in Leicester, but feel that that would have been the man's wishes and this should be respected. We cannot treat him like an object, something we have 'found', but as a human being and that deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, irrespective of how long ago he died.
Where was the real person who found Richard iii? She’s NOT on this panel??? Sidelined much!!! She’s put back in the audience which is ridiculous when they claim to have included her in everything !! Hypocrites
FANTASTIC! Wonderful to Find King Richard III whom I have read much about and concluded from much Historical Written Evidence he was not the monster portrayed by the Tudors nor Shakespeare, and as others more qualified who have researched in-depth, neither was he a murderer.
Thank you Philippa Langley for yr persistence. Trying to rehabilitate Richard III's reputation will be a lot more difficult after 500 years and probably less physical evidence although documentary evidence from the time may assist.
Nobody is going to mention the modern disturbance? I guess I will: an OUTHOUSE almost destroyed the burial. Not only is that a disturbing thought but it also brings to mind the very real possibility that for years people were defecating right beside or perhaps right on top of the dead king.
I'm from Singapore and, from your discovery of these King Richard III remains in 2012, I've followed and found your research work brilliant, awesome & most outstanding. Thanks & Congratulations!!
@@susanmccormick6022 in fairness, Singapore was colonised by England in 1824. Speaking a language due to 200 years since colonisation isn’t really the compliment you might think it is.
God Bless King Richard III, a good christian and loyal king to his subjects and to England. He was not a tyrant, not a murderer. Let's leave that truth to those who held no stops at ensuring the Plantagenet line was voided out ending with Richard. Truth and justice will be served and Richard will be at peace at last. Thank you to those who worked diligently to find his remains and prepare him for the proper burial he deserves.
The Tudors were not saints, but that doesn't exonerate Richard III. Like almost all Monarchs, his reputation in his own time was mixed. After all, if he was so good, why was opposition to him so relatively popular?
The overall verdict. Richard the 3rds feet will never be found. This was done at the time of burial." We don't want this thing comming back and walking around again in any lifetime" PETER HAKE of mole hair derry; the guy with the shovel.
No matter which side, who they fought for, I have a lot of respect for kings (and "queens" like Lady Aethelflaed) from the Anglo-Saxons to the likes of Richard III, that fought alongside their men. Alfred the Great was crowned king because his brother died in battle, and had been named heir. Alfred also fought alongside his men while he was healthy, as did his son and daughter, and his grandson, the first ever king of England, Aethelstan. That's badass. Nowadays, 'leaders' sit in protected bunkers and hide out watching TV screens with thermal images of night strikes from UAV's
Tradition is for burial at the nearest Cathedral. I doubt he would wish to be buried at Westminster alongside Henry VII and the rest of the Tudor dynasty. Besides, Richard was born in Northamptonshire, spent significant time in Nottingham and Leicester where he had great support and never made clear where he wanted burial. His father and brother are buried in Northampton. I also laugh at the notion you think it'd be less of a tourist attraction in York, public interest is good for his legacy.
This makes me wonder what other figures of historical significance may lay buried under the physical foundations for which our daily lives in modern history exist upon.
King Alfred is buried next to the car park at Battle Abbey. Scene of Battle of Hastings 1066. Feels weird walking on the field behind the abbey where the battle took place though. I'd love to go on there with a metal detector. lol.
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Height has varied throughout history. Hunter gatherers were often tall, then the soft neolithic diet made us smaller (with worse teeth), people got tall again in the bronze age, then gradually dwindled until they averaged about 5ft 6 (male) for most of the medieval period.More crowding, poorer food helped cause this.We only regained our bronze age heights in the early 20thC.
It has to do with simple fact, medieval Europeans diet largely consisted of grains and carbohydrates. They really did not have tooth decay because tgough they ain't nothing but carbohydrates, they did not eat refined flour or sugar. You see this when they face the Mongolian ,a group of people that has a high protein diet ,versus a people that live on grain. The Mongolian toy with them their stamina their abilities and strengths most importantly stamina. Does anybody still argue the validity of a low carbohydrate diet? If you still do I'm sorry
Wonderful ! I read Biology at Leicester many moons ago, know about genetic fingerprinting, knew about Richard’s scoliosis , love Shakespeare and the RSC, and at Leicester had one boyfriend who lived near Bosworth Field !
they did mention her specifically at 37.04. I've watched many films about this discovery in 2012 and they all feature her and her level of interest and contribution. the idea that she got no exposure or mention at this find is ridiculous
You are totally correct (karagonzalez) Philippa Langley had the FIRST and ONLY vision to try and find King Richard III. She should be sitting right in the middle of that table, and she should have been the one to announce that there is 100% positive proof, that the body was that of King Richard III. By the way, at (37:04) she is sitting next to Michael Ibsen, who is the 17th generation Nephew of the king. How fitting, Philippa Langley was the discoverer of his illustrious king ancestor. Doctor George Whitehead
By that time in the conference no one is listening. The big announcement has been made. Gees, they acknowledged staff of other university labs before the 15 minute mark. Philippa Langley raised the money, the interest, did the legwork - and was then disrespected by Leicester.
When I was doing DNA TEST with 23&me they found my mother is J1c2 and they said this haplogroup helped to recognized King Richard III remains, as his mother DNA was J1c2c. Very interesting, and I am Serbian from Eastern Herzegovina with I2a2 of my father.
Do you know any reason why you might have J1c2 that links you to England or France (Plantagenet blood) or was this haplogroup traced back to earlier in History (Cro-magnon, Neanderthal, Antiquity)?
The best part was the lovely and proper state funeral he was eventually given. And again, it showed up the Tudors. A facial reconstruction showed him to be in no way unattractive.
Moral is, one must always pay attention to oral history, after all, it may be written 300 years ago, and there be conflicting narratives, but each narrative must be be explored to it's conclusion.
Now that we have his skeleton, see him in the flesh in the cinema event "Richard III" made in 1912. For Information regarding this film, contact his widow or Henry VI In "Show of Shows" or the princes in the tower at The Towers Apts.
Josephine Tey got it wrong in her book “The Daughter of Time”. She pooh-poohs the tradition that Richard had a hunched back, however the analysis of the skeleton demonstrated that he did indeed have a curvature and anatomical imbalance. It’s amazing how they managed to track down his nearest living relative, an ordinary dude in Canada, so they could test the DNA.
18:11 Did anyone notice that as she was describing the wound to his chin a photographer's flash made it appear as though it came directly out from his right eye socket...it was almost as if Richard lll was giving an approval wink!!😉...An amazing conclusion to a remarkable life😁
The Tudors were right about his deformity; if the Queen would allow DNA testing of the skeletons of those two 10 and 12 year old boys in the urn in Westminster Abbey, we'd confirm that the rest was true as well. It wouldn't matter to you folks, though: you'd ignore those facts, too.
@@philipwebb960 I agree that the bastard took out his nephews for the throne its despicable to this day, I don't care what century, class or country you were born in. Not Betrayed and Murdered, but a Betrayer and a Murderer, I would say his fate righteous.
Yes I accept your point that there has been a church on that site for 800 years old but that old church was almost totally demolished and then rebuilt in Victorian times. It was a Parish Church until very recently. Do the right thing. Bury the man in York.
The very first thing that should have come out of Richard Taylor's mouth was "none of this would have been possible without the tireless efforts and research of Philippa Langley." But y'all decided to take the credit and barely acknowledge her existence.
