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@christopherjames9843
@christopherjames9843 11 месяцев назад
Arthur Jones knew nothing about training yet got Sergio Oliva into his best shape for the 1972 Mr . Olympia.
@1neomonkey
@1neomonkey 3 года назад
Arthur Jones is entertaining as hell and hilarious. He was once interviewed by a female reporter who accused him of being a male chauvinist, needless to say, hilarity ensued.
@Ethos1231
@Ethos1231 3 года назад
Dorian Yates used Jones principles through Mentzer.
@chaosdweller
@chaosdweller 3 года назад
Yes,.... very true the idea of high intensity training has evolved like your saying, Mentzer added some volume, and Yates added even more, and now there are some others. Slowly but surely almost everyone seems to be using more volume ex 2-3 sets to failure instead of Jones idea of just taking 1 set to failure on a machine. He is the inventer of the idea,.... but it has been refind to the aforementioned by a (few others) bodybuilders'. The concept was brilliant! but it needed to be refind. Just like in any sport. I wouldn't want him to train me , but the original idea was brilliant! So yes you , and Mark are correct, and so was he ,...(in a way) everyone! is right lol. I try not to be that guy, but this is definitely the case here in my opinion. I don't hear too much about it in power lifting though, but alot of bodybuilders' love! it, it's branched off into numerous different forms.
@Xplora213
@Xplora213 3 года назад
I think the machine concept is brilliant but like all ideas it has its place and that place might be a very small niche.
@donquixote...
@donquixote... 3 года назад
Actually Yates claims he came to this understanding all on his own. He engaged Mentzer (briefly) well after successfully using his own program of sorts. Whether he came upon Mentzer's materials soon after he began training or not is an open question. But whatever system he was doing, that was apparently working for him, he was doing before he met Mentzer (otherwise he'd just be another gym rat and might only meet Menzer at a seminar perhaps, as just another nobody).
@Ethos1231
@Ethos1231 3 года назад
@@chaosdweller in his book, Ellington Darren, who was an apprentice of Jones, describes in great detail the routine Jones put Sergio Olivia through. Even that was.several.leg exercises to failure including a final.set of squats at 500lb for about 15 reps.
@lazur1
@lazur1 3 года назад
@@Xplora213 Barbells are the small niche: Weightlifters, powerlifters, Crossfitters & Starting Strengthers use barbells. Football players & bodybuilders today do a large proportion of machine-based exercise. Commercial gyms are filled w/machines. Gym members use machines 10 to 1 over barbells.
@austinmorris3422
@austinmorris3422 2 года назад
Mark, Read Arthur Jones' Nautilus Bulletins. You'd be surprised - considering this response. I was a strength coach with an NFL team. We implemented HIT training for all of our athletes and it greatly benefitted the players. I now work for a HIT personal training studio and we see HIT training improving health markers in almost every client.
@GeorgWilde
@GeorgWilde Год назад
He will not change his mind at this age, not one bit.
@REVIVALFitness
@REVIVALFitness 11 месяцев назад
You had NFL players going beyond failure every week during the season? What team and for what years?
@pereximepere8439
@pereximepere8439 4 месяца назад
thanks
@austinmorris3422
@austinmorris3422 4 месяца назад
@@REVIVALFitness I was w/the jags in the mid 2000s. The same strength coach came from the early 2000s SB bucs.
@austinmorris3422
@austinmorris3422 4 месяца назад
@@REVIVALFitness And they trained to failure; not past. I'd say most training response is tied to which parents you chose. Most NFL players can look at weights and grow.
@keithbarbaro7590
@keithbarbaro7590 3 года назад
Those machines are great. My favorite are the seated bench press and lat pullover. Doing those exercises to failure or fatigue are great.
@donquixote...
@donquixote... 3 года назад
At the time they were cutting edge machines, but in truth they were clunky, and usually didn't match a given persons physical structure. One might find that certain machines worked better for them than others for this reason. Even the MedEx machines that he produced later were much more refined, yet still were somewhat rigid.
@lazur1
@lazur1 3 года назад
If, over time, you're able to: lift more weight/do more reps or sets/require less rest/refine movement &/ have more muscle than before.... what's the difference whose method, or what tools you use? To say Jones' ideas haven't improved the strength & muscularity of many people is simply not true.
@donjohnson2003
@donjohnson2003 3 года назад
I don't think Mark knows anything about Arthur jones or his principles; besides the invention of the machines and one-set to failure. He even refers to his writings as gibberish to support his marketing gimmick. When someone reduces something into a declaration, and doesn't have credible reasons to back it up, they're just talking out of their ass.
@eoinforHIT
@eoinforHIT Год назад
Jones himself said he advocated too much volume. His last book he wrote all you need to reach close to your genetic potential is heavy dips, heavy chins, squats.
@cobra4961
@cobra4961 Год назад
That is pretty much all you need. SS you literally train for an hour and change and you get strong but your muscle is not so great. I started to not look forward to training anymore.
@cobra4961
@cobra4961 Год назад
Now I train for 20-45 minutes the most and look better than when I did SS
@honkhonkler1246
@honkhonkler1246 Год назад
Can you tell me the title of that book? I came to the same conclusion on my own through training and I'd like to read what he said.
@eoinforHIT
@eoinforHIT Год назад
@@honkhonkler1246 I think it was called My First Half Century in the Iron Game.
@honkhonkler1246
@honkhonkler1246 Год назад
Thank-you.@@eoinforHIT
@Inquisitivemarmott
@Inquisitivemarmott Год назад
He was light years ahead of his time, back then there was not nearly a percent of the information we have now, even though, his training principles can still be applied today, it works better in my experience than modern “science based” training which led me to a 5 month plateau.
@mattblah7737
@mattblah7737 2 года назад
imagine working in the fitness industry in any capacity and not knowing anything about arthur jones
@eoinforHIT
@eoinforHIT Год назад
So majority of the fitness industry then... I disagree with Jones not knowing anything. He was decades ahead of his time and was onto something. Those first and second gen nautilus machines are so well made.
@vSwampFox
@vSwampFox Год назад
Or saying he knew nothing about physiology. Marks on old hard head.
@biblebill6206
@biblebill6206 9 месяцев назад
Which is the case about 85% of the time .
@shaunigothictv1003
@shaunigothictv1003 6 месяцев назад
I have worked in gyms since 1997 and I know about Arthur Jones. But most young gym rats nowadays will NEVER have heard of him. I liked Arthur Jones but Rip is right - Jones was primarily a business man who became interested in the fitness industry for purely monetary gains. Jones did develop some very general but very effective knowledge about gym training though. Some of Jones's lectures are already on RU-vid and he talks about how he got started. He claims that he actually made his own experimental gym machines out of curiosity!
@cobra4961
@cobra4961 Год назад
Rip is super hard headed. Arthur Jones is a genius, I respect Starting Strength barbell training except I beat my ass for months from novice to intermediate and on them the Texas Method and all it did was beat me. I was always tired and I did eat and sleep great etc. I had no energy's for shit lol. And many eventually wave off it. Now HIT I did in my 20s and I actually looked like I worked out lol and got stronger in other real world functions. So I'm back training HIT and gains coming in once again and train once or twice a week coming back stronger. Perhaps if Starting Strength was done twice a week? Anyway HIT for the win... 👍
@melhall17
@melhall17 3 года назад
this guy knows very little about arthur jones
@orthodoxreactionary6434
@orthodoxreactionary6434 3 года назад
For the most part it’s pure cope. “Genius…marketer” lol, right. Rip is being disingenuous. He was a certified genius. He’s basically the Nikola Tesla of the exercise field. Just one example of his contributions to the field. Back pain. He provided a cheap and simple solution to help people avoid the quackery of the back pain industry and big pharma (which is responsible for the opioid crisis). Try to fix back pain in an elderly person w a barbell and you will screw them up. I work w MedEx equipment and have helped numerous ppl with chronic pain. Instead of getting addicted to pain meds, someone can do a full body workout, 30 minutes once a week, and they can significantly improve their pain levels.
@tommyharris5817
@tommyharris5817 2 года назад
What a waste of a video; Rip hasn't a clue about Arthur Jones.
@biblebill6206
@biblebill6206 9 месяцев назад
Right on
@PrimitiveDSP
@PrimitiveDSP 3 года назад
I remember circuit training, way back in my youth, and having to go through like 10-12 different Nautilus machines with about a 33 second rest between, and about half way through as I'm gasping for air all I could think was, "How am I going to get out of this gym contract?" I wish I had known about SS then, and saved myself from a lot of useless workouts.
@Apex_grind562
@Apex_grind562 2 года назад
And that circuit training is now called Crossfit.
@InvisibleHotdog
@InvisibleHotdog 6 месяцев назад
Arthur has made similar points to Rip (progressive overload, fatigue management, etc.). Jones and Rip even talk similarlyn
@deserve_it
@deserve_it 24 дня назад
I agree that Arthur Jones's training advice is sometimes crazy and instead of applying his methods blindly, you must take them with a grain of salt. However, saying that the guy understood nothing about sports and exercising is a gross exaggeration and oversimplification. You don't need to be a genius in order to understand that Hammer and Nautilus equipment is pretty good. It loads your muscles correctly and effectively. The man who invented such tools cannot be an idiot.
@h-k7804
@h-k7804 Год назад
Arthur jones was a genius in bodybuilding not just in business
@donquixote...
@donquixote... 3 года назад
After Jones sold his Nautilus line, he then founded MedEx, a line of equipment meant for commercial gyms as well as rehabilitation. More refined than the original Nautilus line, but still had some of the rigidity. The Hammer Strength line produced by his son also had some similarities to the MedEx line. And HS has long been sold off as well, that's why other branded equipment can be seen with similar characteristics. The big global corporations own all the major brands now.
@Tablespoonmischief
@Tablespoonmischief 3 года назад
MedX machines were never really meant for commercial gyms. They’re too expensive and bulky. They’re used mostly in private studios. But they are the Rolls Royces of machines.
@donquixote...
@donquixote... 3 года назад
@@Tablespoonmischief At the time they might be considered a RR of machines, and they were ok, but I'd hardly call them that. They were a more refined version of a , "barbell" as AJ would say, that lent themselves to rehab as well as a commercial gym. So they'd sell to whomever would buy them. The main difference was that the weight stacks were broken down into smaller increments, which would also be useful for any type of progressive resistance training. The best machine, like the best cigar, is the one that YOU like...
@Tablespoonmischief
@Tablespoonmischief 3 года назад
Don Quixote I disagree. Exercise equipment can be evaluated based on objective standards and there are about 24 different exercise equipment design principles and MedX equipment addresses most of them. These include: 1. Track muscle and joint function 2. Maintain coaxial alignment on rotary movement 3. Exceed the bodies range of motion 4. Provide both positive and negative work potential 5. Arrest reactionary force 6. Minimize friction 7. Cancel or minimize apparatus torque factors 8. Cancel or minimize body torque 9. Obey sufficiency principles 10. Avoid compression of contracting muscular structures 11. Avoid positioning the head below the remainder of the body 12. Avoid on the side trunk positions 13. Provide for a relatively flat resistance curve on compound pushing movements 14. Provide an exponential resistance decrease on most compound pulling and most rotary movements (a positive cam or a cam and follower mechanism) 15. Avoid weight stack placement within the reach of the user (safety) 16. Keep visual alignment of the apparatus in the sagittal plane 17. Provide head support to allow for neutral positioning neck and head 18. Avoid non fused movement arms whenever possible 19. Consider the consequences of congruent and incongruent arcs in compound movements (chest press pivot point above body, shoulder press behind body) 20. Avoid unilateral movements whenever practical 21. Avoid excessive shielding 22. Keep the equipment at a height for easy entry and exit (hip sled style leg presses = bad) 23. Provide direct resistance 24. Resistance increments Generally MedX machines are the best machines available and you are NOT generally going to find them in commercial gyms. The SuperSlow systems machines and RenX machines designed by Ken Hutchins are probably some of the only ones that are superior to MedX.
@donquixote...
@donquixote... 3 года назад
@@Tablespoonmischief All of which is relevant to progressive resistance exercise. Commercial gyms don't bother because they're giving the least for the most, and they can get you in the door with all things shiny and new (so that is where the investment goes). Otherwise, if they were really trying to provide the optimal training experience, that's the type of equipment they'd use. The purpose of all these equipment lines is strength training of one form or type, or another. AJ again said it best, it's a barbell. Disagree if you want, that only means you're attempting to address something other than strength training.
@Tablespoonmischief
@Tablespoonmischief 3 года назад
Don Quixote I disagreed that exercise equipment design is simply subjective and “whatever feels best”. There are reasons certain machines “feel better”. I agree in the sense that commercial gyms typically buy the cheapest machines that still look nice. Most people aren’t aware of nor care about the intricacies of exercise equipment design principles. As far as barbells are concerned, I also agree that a barbell, an adjustable bench and a power rack is pretty much all you need to get stronger, but if I have the option between that and a series of well designed machines, such as Nautilus, MedX, or even Hammer Strength, that’s where I’m going every time. They’re more efficient, safer, have better strength curves, fewer sticking points, provide more effective muscular loading all while protecting the joints and so on. Well designed machines also service a much wider range of the population such as seniors. A Nautilus leg press is a far safer and better option for an untrained 80 year old than a barbell squat. There’s no question. The point is that what Mark Rippetoe is teaching and what Arthur Jones was teaching are not the same thing. One is teaching “resistance exercise” and the other “weight lifting”. The have some things in common, but they are distinct despite many stench coaches not being able to discern the difference.
@RonSwansonIsMyGod
@RonSwansonIsMyGod 3 года назад
I talked to bodybuilder Mike Mentzer once, he told me Jones was so intense it was difficult just to be in the same room with him. From everything I've read and know about him, if you want to know what he was like just think of the Tony Stark character from the first Iron Man movie, but very, very, VERY pissed off at the world. That was basically Arthur Jones...
@robertdavis434
@robertdavis434 Год назад
This clown has absolutely nothing to say about Arthur Jones. Just listen to someone who actually knows what they’re talking about, like Dorian Yates. End of discussion, Jones was a genuine genius, and was the most important influence on every single real training principal. Anyone who tries to discredit him is in fact the fraud, and is trying to miss lead you.
@WarriorSidMentzer
@WarriorSidMentzer 3 года назад
Does anyone remember Gustaph Zander? People remember PT Barnum. Maybe Jones was a combination of both.
@dustinwidger9838
@dustinwidger9838 2 года назад
this guy doesn't know wtf he's talking about
@cdcaleo
@cdcaleo 2 года назад
And you do?
@dustinwidger9838
@dustinwidger9838 2 года назад
@@cdcaleo obviously
@fscotti875
@fscotti875 2 года назад
I agree Dustin!
@biblebill6206
@biblebill6206 9 месяцев назад
This guy reminds me of What God said to Job See Job 38 : 1, 2 [Niv] bible
@intellectualninjamonkey2496
Yea...Jones has some good points but he was very close minded and stubborn when it came to fitness and lifting weights (or machines). He was thinking in very absolute terms... Remind you of anyone...Mark?
@fikonfraktare
@fikonfraktare 11 месяцев назад
That's basically all experts in their fields and subjects, they build a hammer and every problem is a nail to smash in. The question is how right or wrong they are in their conclusions. People taking things to a logical extreme may appear crazy to those not following the logical reasoning, that doesn't mean they're wrong even if they probably are at least somewhat crazy. The great thing about many podcast is that they're often headed by inquisitive and open minded people who invite this narrow-minded specialized geniuses and us listeners can take part in this public square of shared information and pick up what makes sense and then spread new and old forgotten ideas at lightning speed around the world.
@paulalbrecht2161
@paulalbrecht2161 11 месяцев назад
This video is 100% BullCrap
@jj-hb8cy
@jj-hb8cy 2 года назад
Mark is cool, but he never got as big as Arthur Jones.
@robwilliams2265
@robwilliams2265 8 месяцев назад
Hmmm, Mike Mentzer, Dorian Yates, Dr Doug Mcguff might differ on that. Notice how he never explains how they are wrong
@brentnorton6174
@brentnorton6174 2 года назад
And who is this guy?
@JH-dr6do
@JH-dr6do 2 года назад
Rip
@anthonyagureyev307
@anthonyagureyev307 11 месяцев назад
Someone far smarter than you, Jones, or Mentzer.
@kqh123
@kqh123 2 года назад
Came here from page #2 of the blue book.
@Eric_Feigl
@Eric_Feigl 3 года назад
Hey! I know that caller 😆
@dennismalandro2110
@dennismalandro2110 3 года назад
Interesting question, I doubt that's the answer you wanted to hear though!
@Eric_Feigl
@Eric_Feigl 3 года назад
@@dennismalandro2110 I wasn’t sure how he’d respond. I’ve read about 90% of AJ’s material. It’s about momentary muscular failure for the most part.
@sercabie
@sercabie 2 года назад
Honestly I can't argue the points made for the single set high intensity training if you are achieving progressive overlord over time wouldn't the same goals being achieved?
@adrianagolisano7871
@adrianagolisano7871 Год назад
Saying Arthur Jones knew nothing about training is at very least INcorect statement.
@MrChuckwagon55
@MrChuckwagon55 2 года назад
Well it sure worked for Dorian Yates.
@Kirk-eu6xc
@Kirk-eu6xc 2 года назад
Yeah, Yates didn’t strictly follow Jones. Or Mentzer. He like everyone else, took bits and pieces of what others had done. And adapted it to what worked best for him.
@seanmcaloney4434
@seanmcaloney4434 Год назад
What have you created ?
@dieselviper7811
@dieselviper7811 3 года назад
I tried the Mike Mentzer one set thing before it's not for me lol
@Tablespoonmischief
@Tablespoonmischief 3 года назад
You most likely didn’t do it right.
@dieselviper7811
@dieselviper7811 3 года назад
@@Tablespoonmischief OH GOD YOU’RE RIGHT IM SO SORRY
@Tablespoonmischief
@Tablespoonmischief 3 года назад
diesel viper There see? Was that so hard??
@Tablespoonmischief
@Tablespoonmischief 3 года назад
Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Not hard for anyone to understand? You’re right it’s not. Hard work builds muscle. Very complicated.
@Tablespoonmischief
@Tablespoonmischief 3 года назад
Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines I’m a 22.8 FFMI. Look that up! That’s top 5 percentile. Just because you’re not a freaky and disgusting looking monster doesn’t mean you don’t have muscle.
@tilakrajgolari1577
@tilakrajgolari1577 11 месяцев назад
Arthur jones has more patents to his name than any expert today. Though i don't agree with everything jones said but helll,it does work.
@high.intensity.persia
@high.intensity.persia 6 месяцев назад
it's very funny that rip thinks jones was crazy because they basically saying the same thing they both talk about progressive overload. it's just very small different in details.
@johngerard3218
@johngerard3218 Год назад
If Jones knew nothing about training how did he build the best exercise equipment ever created? jones exploded more myths and outright lies in bodybuilding than any other single human. I remember an add that read something like "Train like Reeves, eat like Reeves, look like Reeves". Jones pointed out that without Reeve's genetics you can eat or train like Reeves but you sure as hell won't look like him. Jones was the first to say that if you do not have freakish genetics no matter how hard you train you will never be a bodybuilding champ. Just like practicing basketball six hours a day will not make you 7 feet tall.
@res2788
@res2788 3 года назад
Jones had Ellington Darden Phd. write books and articles about Nautilus training. At one time he published Nautilus magazine. Darden gave Nautilus some credibility because he won some bodybuilding contests in Oklahoma and Texas and because he had a PhD after his name.
@philjohnson796
@philjohnson796 3 года назад
I had one of his books back in the day. It was real boilerplate stuff. I just watched an interview of him on Hansen's channel, and I wouldn't believe anything the guy says. Jones needed someone with a "PhD" to validate his program, and Darden fit the bill.
@Gnojism
@Gnojism 11 месяцев назад
Hes only saying that because it will detract from his training program. If he says arthur jones knows what he is talking about that will contradict rips teachings. But on the other hand im not sure if arthur jones training was for strength or only aesthetics. Two different types of training.
@biblebill6206
@biblebill6206 9 месяцев назад
Bible talks about not following along when majority of people are doing something like diet , exercise in this case HV vs HIT leads to being disillusioned . See Matt 7 : 13 Niv bible sn
@richardsannasardo-xd6ek
@richardsannasardo-xd6ek 11 месяцев назад
Planet Fitness anyone??
@jrk9679
@jrk9679 11 месяцев назад
Mark is completely utterly uniformed about Arthur Jones. HIT might not turn you into a gargantuan meat head but it DOES work. I lost most of my body fat and gained 15# of muscle. Do I look like The Rock? Not even close but I’m pretty darned happy with these “bogus” results I got from this “gimmick” HIT training. Could I have had better results with Starting Strength or another volume free weight program? Maybe so. The point is HIT is valid. HIT does work. What he needs to advocate is perhaps his methods will give you greater results. Don’t trash Arthur though.
@davidanderson3684
@davidanderson3684 2 года назад
I remember him ! the way Arthur talks he made Trump looks like he went to charmed school I mean his interviews was off the charts lol!
@erickminor
@erickminor Год назад
Arthur Jones, Mike Mentzer, and Dorian Yates; those guys didn't know much about bodybuilding?😅
@yetigriff
@yetigriff 3 года назад
1:47 rippletits true voice is revealed
@ponderbot34
@ponderbot34 2 года назад
🤣🤣🤣
@UncleDanBand64
@UncleDanBand64 3 года назад
Rip I feel like I saw this before. Do you believe in Deja Vu😂👍🇺🇸
@fahdnaseer9396
@fahdnaseer9396 6 месяцев назад
I am Young 22 and I Know Autger Jones Weell of Knowledge
@JSANTOS1784
@JSANTOS1784 2 года назад
What do you mean when you say he knew nothing about exercise?
@LambeauLeeeper
@LambeauLeeeper Год назад
I’ve always found this guy a bit jealous/hateful towards everyone else. Lol his 5x5 is not a sales gimmick? Cmon son.
@tmackn6592
@tmackn6592 3 года назад
Arnold admitted, in a magazine article, that the two years he spent training exclusively on Arthur Jones's Nautilus equipment (back in the 70's) was the most frustrating two years of his entire bodybuilding career. After this two years had expired, he had finally had enough of the slow progress he was making and reverted back to body weight exercises, barbells, dumbbells and cable work which had served him so well in the past! This is very telling of the ineffectiveness of such equipment when compared to 'old-fashioned' bodybuilding exercises. Apparently, even the greats are subject to hype and clever marketing ploys!
@beethan8214
@beethan8214 3 года назад
Link to the article?
@tmackn6592
@tmackn6592 3 года назад
@@beethan8214 a link to a magazine article from the 90's?! hahahahaha
@beethan8214
@beethan8214 3 года назад
@@tmackn6592 haha the magazine might have archives of its issues. So if you could mention the magazine name to look it up or give any link, it would be helpful
@dradeel
@dradeel 3 года назад
In terms of exercise, Arnold was a dodo that couldn't follow Arthur's program. His M&F routines of ~50 sets of 12 are just pure fantasy and is an impossibility to follow for any natties out there. His body was simply amazing genetics that didn't face tough challenge in his Mr. Olympias. Take Casey, Mentzer or even Yates, and you'd have a better picture of what following the same principles entail. Arthur Jones was an unpolished gem in terms of exercise science. Not only is he remarkably similar to Mark, in ways Mark doesn't seem to appreciate or talk about, but inbetween all his marketing ploys and smoke and mirrors was a hint of truth that Mike Mentzer figured out and logically put into order in the 80s, and there's mountains of proper evidence to support that idea, and it covers every other challenging ideas in analysis. What Mark also doesn't appreciate is that he subscribes to the same basic ideas. He too actually trains to failure or damn close to it, when he speaks of the extreme hardship of finishing that last squat of the third set, and he too argues the necessity of increased rest time as you advance through your programming and push the limits of your finite recovery ability, only he has provided a different theoretical framework for what we're talking about, that don't seem to negate Mentzer's theories. That said, he's the only "other guy" out there talking sense and having a similar radar for detecting hogwash. It's fantastic to have someone like Mark around. He's doing amazing work. It's sad that Mentzer isn't still with us to sit down and talk with Mark about these issues and find their common ground. Both no-nonsense classical liberal/libertarian types with a clear sense for weeding out bullshit exercise science. I think also Mark provides some improvements and insight on programming that Mike would appreciate. Heck, Mike starts to overlap with Mark with his Consolidated program, where he argued heavy compound work.
@davidprivate949
@davidprivate949 3 года назад
Arnold never "admitted" that, that was a piece published by Weider, who was in direct competition with Jones/Nautilus for domination of the burgeoning fitness industry. So take that "article" with a grain of salt. It was nothing more than naked slander against a business rival, using Arnold's star as the weapon. Funny, because Arnold, in a personally signed letter in the feburary 1971 issue of iron man magazine, endorses Jones methods and machines saying he made exemplary gains under Jones' guidance. Feburary 1971. You can look that up. You can also decide for yourself what it says about Arnold's character and reliability in honest testimony.
@hubertwisniewski589
@hubertwisniewski589 11 месяцев назад
0:35 😂😂😂😂😂
@juniorandrew4159
@juniorandrew4159 Год назад
U dont know anything about fitness...u just know powerlifting n the truth is...powerlifting is far from fitness
@jonklein7130
@jonklein7130 4 месяца назад
Good point he teaches strength but not conditioning
@ShareefusMaximus
@ShareefusMaximus Год назад
Mike Mentzer also know nothing?
@shitearl88
@shitearl88 6 месяцев назад
Pure stupidity.
@andrewharris3417
@andrewharris3417 3 года назад
Those nautilus machines are worth a fortune for some strange reason. My gym is stacked with them, the owner must have spent an absolute insane amount of money to get the 1st generation pieces shipped from USA to England. Most sit collecting dust, apart from the pullover and lat pull down combo and the leg press. Over priced junk and completely agree with Mr Rippetoe.
@keithbarbaro7590
@keithbarbaro7590 3 года назад
The classic Arthur Jones lat pullover machine is great. Every gym should have one.
@Tablespoonmischief
@Tablespoonmischief 3 года назад
Even first generation Nautilus machines are more effective than most of the crap machines that most commercial gyms have. And Arthur’s machines have only been i:proved over time with the 2ST line, Nitro, and MedX.
@luxither7354
@luxither7354 2 года назад
A lack of use of something doesn't imply effectiveness. Everyone has access to condoms, but that doesn't mean everyone practices safe sex. Everyone has access to a gym, but not everyone goes to them. Everyone can stop eating so much, but not everyone does.
@GeorgWilde
@GeorgWilde Год назад
Exactly! You should stick to your business. Your rants in these "podcasts" are full of ignorance.
@MikeXCSkier
@MikeXCSkier 3 года назад
I actually agree with Rip here. I've read Jones' stuff and he didn't seem to have any knowledge of training principles. He made stuff up. But because he knew how to market, he created what is essentially a cult around HIT. Periodization - what's that? You trained to absolute failure with only one set. When you stopped making progress, that means you needed to "rest" more between training sessions. Got to the point where guys were training once every 10 days.
@chaosdweller
@chaosdweller 3 года назад
Yeah it definitely needed a lot of kinks worked out, but u can't argue with the end result of what Dorian did with it, but Dorian got this idea originally from him and Mike.
@Xplora213
@Xplora213 3 года назад
@@chaosdweller I suspect Dorian wasn’t just doing what Jones was talking about though 💡
@davidprivate949
@davidprivate949 3 года назад
Well no, that's wrong. Which suggests that you either didnt read all that much, or you didn't understand all that much. Jones never advocated training once every 10 days. He was actually quite vocal against doing so, citing that such a long break would almost always result in detraining setting in. All of the protocols Jones wrote as examples or recommendations were full body sessions 2 - 3 x weekly. He said as a generality, that if someone stopped making gains, the first thing they should try is LESS exercise, not MORE. Which is the logical place to start from. It was in his later writings that Jones said that he had found over the years that there was a wide variance in exercise tolerance among people. Most people did just fine on 3 x weekly, but some people could only tolerate 1 x weekly.... it would be mentzer in his derivative writings that would advocate training once every 10 days. Jones had nothing do to with Mentzer, despite Mentzer attempting to associate himself with Jones at every turn. And FWIW, people have had good results following mentzer's "silly" routines - check out the boise experiment and tell me whens the last time you saw results like that in advanced trainees. I sure as shit have never seen it out of the SS crowd.
@donquixote...
@donquixote... 3 года назад
@@davidprivate949 Go find you some advanced trainees, replicate the process and results, and publish your findings. If it can't be replicated, it never happened.
@Tablespoonmischief
@Tablespoonmischief 3 года назад
Jones didn’t make anything up. He built on what came before him, including on the work of Iron Man magazine founder Peary Radar and Delorme Watkins. Most of the conventional bodybuilding industry was based on misunderstood ideas around the sport of weightlifting. Check out Jay Vincent’s channel if you want the real, no BS info on HIT
@philjohnson796
@philjohnson796 3 года назад
This guy gets it. Many of the machines were good, no knock on them, but the whole one set to exhaustion bit was to get the maximum number of people through the facility in the minimum amount of time. It might work for awhile as a change of pace, but for the vast majority of people, it would lead to mental and physical burnout sooner rather than later. I belonged to one of the early strip mall Nautilus gyms, and, after awhile, they added a free weight area because so many people were getting tired of the whole get in and get out circuit deal and quiting.
@Tablespoonmischief
@Tablespoonmischief 3 года назад
Obviously a lot has changed in the Nautilus philosophy in the last 50 years or so. Ellington Darden and Ken Hutchins really refined the process. And yes even though properly designed machines are superior for a number of reasons, which we can get into, they are not necessary for producing the stimulus for muscle growth. Free weights are just as effective. But we’ll designed machines are a better option when available. Mark Rippetoe, is not a fan of machines or body weight movements for building strength, simply because what he’s teaching is not resistance exercise, it’s “weight lifting”. You can get bull strong on machines or with body weight, but if your tool for measuring strength is a barbell, obviously training will be more specific to that test. Strength can highly skill specific, and it can be highly general.
@luxither7354
@luxither7354 2 года назад
@@Tablespoonmischief I would argue strength is the ability to exert oneself to lift a load, with that being from a machine, barbell or bodyweight. What specific strength is, where you're strong with a movement pattern or tool, is what I'd call 'power.' Its why powerlifting is called powerlifting; because they're lifting weight without applicability of that moving of weight; a powerlifter may bench a large amount of weight, but that doesn't mean he could dip that weight in a relatively equivalent amount.
@scotthicks7793
@scotthicks7793 Год назад
Here’s a link to one of Arthur Jones seminars. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qtrOWsI8WBQ.html
@robertthompson5501
@robertthompson5501 3 года назад
How does Doug Brignole, author of Physics of Resistance Excercise, fit into weigjt training? He admonishes against squats, deadlift, bench and overhead presses as inefficient and harmful. Replaces them with isolation excercises. "Sissy Squats " anyone?🏋️‍♂️🏃‍♂️🏊‍♂️💫
@Xplora213
@Xplora213 3 года назад
A lot of academics are tasked with creating knowledge that no one asked for. This goes for every field. We’ve already seen a thousand studies on the squat so how else does he show he is clever? 🤷‍♂️
@donquixote...
@donquixote... 3 года назад
This is on the BB side of the equation. He is in fact advocating isolation exercises for the purpose of maximizing the muscular contraction of the target muscle.
@aliendroneservices6621
@aliendroneservices6621 Год назад
2:02 "Strength training changed when Gary Jones founded Hammer Strength in 1989." "Later in 1997, Life Fitness bought Hammer Strength"
@james8583
@james8583 11 месяцев назад
I think what happens when some can't do what others do (in this case marketing) they tend to soup up that person that gets it. In Arthurs case he lied and deceived people, many do, but that doesn't make him a genius. Timing and being born in the right time. The 'exercise" boom and many, many athletes on t.v. along with other aerobic videos and the like (like people not working hard or going to temple or taking care of their family and friends, but moving out and not doing the right thing volunteering, but just working out like a prisoner) were very, very popular, plus we are a rich nation. If so smart he would be able to do what Buffet and his partner does. Arthur is uncouth and a low life, i don't care how much money he has, where is he now. God Bless!!
@bigollameo
@bigollameo 11 месяцев назад
Not a big fan of Ripp's opinion on this topic.
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@cobra4961 Год назад
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