I choose gooseism...this phenomenon isn't new, wanting so desperately to integrate, that you lose your original identity... "more Irish than the Irish themselves" is coined from it's Latin form in 1803 by Francis Plowden c+p More Irish than the Irish themselves" (Irish: Níos Gaelaí ná na Gaeil féin, Latin: Hiberniores Hibernis ipsis) is a phrase used in Irish historiography to describe a phenomenon of cultural assimilation in late medieval Norman Ireland.
Nish's comments about being disappointed about the first Asian Brits to be in prime political positions reminded me very much of how I felt when Thatcher became PM as a woman. I wanted to be delighted a sister had breached that glass ceiling but her character and politics made that impossible.
@@michaelgrundy956 Ya think? Gosh, if only you could have convinced the world of that premise a few decades or centuries ago. I'm guessing you're a white man? Well done sir, well done.
Absolutely this. I would much rather vote for a white person who's left wing than the likes of Suella Braverman who's very racist Patel before her is a fascist too. Rishi Sunak seems however to be a "yes man" imo Let's not also forget that Cruelly and Patel are Ugandan Asians. There's nothing inherently wrong with being Ugandan and Asian but as Nish talks about, there are structural issues at the top of society The ruling classes in Uganda were often primarily made up of high caste Ugandan Asians, in order to help control the empire. Those same people absolutely looked down on regular south Asian people
I think that we can contextualise it in terms of the question and where the emphasis is placed. "Don't I think that it's wonderful that these British Asian people are now sat at the apex of our political establishment?" If the emphasis is placed on "British Asian" (as in, any British Asian people at all), you get a very different question than if the emphasis is placed on "these" (as in, these specific people). The first, yeah, that's progress. The second, no, they shouldn't have the power to enact their views on other people because those views are plainly and evidently harmful to the people they're being enacted upon.
And it’s easier for the left to conflate concerns over immigration with racism rather than address the legacy of letting the floodgates open during their last time in office
happens every ten years or so. Tories don't invest and blame immigrants, Labour gets in, reinvests in public services... everyone moans about being taxed. Tories get back in, Labour gets in... ad infinitum. Then along comes a proper labour leader ohh Jeremy Corbyn, right wing press goes ape shit, because he's dangerous... could actually break the cycle. However, Keir F***** Starmer. Dear god
Laughter is better for our minds. The only problem with black humour/satire is that you hit a point where you have to face just how bleak the situation is that you are trying to find humour in.
From The Guardian, 13th April 2023, 'A former senior minister from Boris Johnson’s government told the Guardian they believed Braverman was a “real racist bigot”.'
On joining the Tories, they each sign a written pledge to be genuine, racist, ignorant bigots. It is the only occasion the Tories do not lie and are transparent. They know the difference between being honest and dishonest- they always choose dishonesty, it is their tory trait when dealing with the electorate, lie, deceive and mislead is simply the tory way. Fact.
Simply a gem of a human being! I really enjoyed this interview. Isn't it interesting how comedians are the voice of reason instead of politicians a lot of the times?
@@chrisbfreelance It's really interesting how you took the time to write that (something negative and critical) without giving any idea as to why you think that. Making that comment (like so many on the Internet) futile and not more helpful than a fart.
What has happened in the UK in the last 13 years... I am a Canadian who moved to the UK from the US in 2008 and my roommates in London thought it was hilarious that Boris Johnson was elected as mayor and possibly even voted for him. I was horrified and it made me feel quite weary of British sensibilities in general, if taking the piss was the primary objective of local politics. Perhaps that sensibility comes of out generations of disenfranchisement.
And yeah, I do think that electing Boris Johnson as mayor was a certain beginning to an end, but you can also look at it in layers, and it wasn't great when Margaret Thatcher claimed that there was no such thing as society and got rid of public funding, or decades of Queen Victoria in black clothes mourning her husband and giving the middle finger to families not only in her own country but across the whole empire.
I've been trying to figure it out for thirteen long years, I'm actually convinced that the body snatchers invaded and I was one of a very tiny small minority that wasn't effected!! The most shocking part is the fact that very few people know that Rishi aka Roland Rat, is the man who pulled funding from the banks in 2008 and put us into bankruptcy, and people still don't get it that we're being bullied and refused democrasy!!!
As a Brit, this notion that we were a progressive outward looking nation that was sensible is quite unrecognisable. This is the Britain I have always known as someone from the North. What changed was snake oil salesmen like Farage managed to mobilise enough bigots to vote who never took part.
Once or twice at PMQs. And he got a decent grilling at that Conservative business forum. But yes, he mostly bangs on about his five priorities - which several polls have shown to be not very aligned with people's priorities at all. I'm yet to figure out why spending a fortune on housing asylum seekers makes sense, why don't the Gov just invest that cash in speeding up the claims processing? Just a thought...
I do love that nish has lucid ideas around politics and yet still stays optimistic. I honestly wish I shared this same belief. Last few years have made me quite cynical..
Let's not forget that English traditional racism included " no blacks, no Irish" signs on the doors of many buildings. Racism isn't about who you are it's about who you hate.
As an English person of Irish Catholic extraction, I think it is great that there are so many people of different ethnicities, colours, sexualities... taking the flak. England has forgotten all about "Satanic Catholics". Result!
@Some Aussie Guy from Perthyou sound real fuckin racist right now my dude, gonna assume you didn't mean to, most places don't allow dogs and don't like them, hence being on the same signs as no blacks or Irish.
@Some Aussie Guy from Perth It was a famous slogan from the 50s and 60s (especially) made particularly well-known by a photograph of a sign in the window of a Bed & Breakfast from that period.
@@DavidManser I recall it appearing in the 70s and early 80s too, though the attention it received was minimal. Not aware of it appearing from the late 80s onwards.
You can ask Rishi Sunak anything you like and you'll get nothing in return. Except his bullet pointed 5 party priorities being regurgitated at every opportunity as if it's gonna hold anymore water than before, the more often he spews it.
Lovely Nish Kumar, an intelligent, funny and political oriented comedian, you are a delight to listen to, and you are knowledgeable on the topic, thank you for making things clearer in what happened in the last 13 years and thanks for explaining the financial inequality the government are creating so that people can turn on each others.
I had the misfortune to see Nish live once - he really wasn't funny at all, but I guess that just makes me a racist in his book... (that was pretty much his act at the time) 🙄 That said, as someone else said, Braverman has succeeded in making Pritti Patel look like a liberal!
Respect to both Nish and the excellent interviewer. The BBC has historically been seen as impartial news coverage.(for the most part) Pressure from govt removes that neutrality. We see this now where interviewers of Union Leaders hash out tory rhetoric and won't listen or allow viewers to listen to replies. Bring back Mock the Week.
Austerity made the already rich even richer. Cuts to child health and mental health services caused cracks. My child fell through one of those chasms, never to return. Thanks Tories.
Profligate spending on social services will inevitably result in no social services at all as the tax revenues required to fund it all will eventually exceed the capacity of free market capitalism to deliver. No human system is perfect and likely no human system will ever be perfect. I'm sorry to hear of your loss. Unfortunately all human systems result in a degree of failure and the human cost on the personal level must always be borne by individuals. Even totalitarian systems of total state control fail to control all aspects of life and result in outcomes the system is designed to eliminate. No comfort for individual loss, but there is no amount of money that can control all outcomes.
@@TPQ1980 a lot of truth in what you said. Thank you for your kind words. Yes, the mental health workers had far too many people on their books for the number of staff. Mistakes were made, opportunities missed. Also linked in services with wider young people's services and educational settings... protocols that were preached to me and supposedly rolled out were not adhered to by certain individuals in those parts of the process. I did my part, others didn't do theirs. So cuts equals holes. I have no idea how much it cost for the emergency services, inquest, etc. I know how much the funeral costs were. All the charities and help I had after that awful event (bedroom tax after "one year's grace") and I had to move house. My loss of income due to not being fit to work following that. My burden upon the state. My other child's mental health and the cost to the state for the help I've needed with that. Honestly, I think, in my ideal world, budgets should be increased, and robust systems adhered to, as the cost of tragedy is also a lot.
Rishi and Suella are the perfect examples of Internalized racism. It makes total sense for them to try to be the very "best" of nobs, thus adopting the very disgusting attitudes of their social peers that have judged their parents and them as inferior all their lives, excusing and explain away their own experiences as simply circumstantial misinterpretations and not examples of Racism at all.
Wow it's quite surprising that with all that racial discrimination they still managed to attain the highest level of political power for themselves in an popularity contest election system where the overwhelming majority of the voters are what you consider to be completely racist😂🤔
Do not underestimate those who have power over your life in regards to competency. They are very competent, and they are wilfully pursuing a very dark agenda. Do not for a second think that they are incompetent, as far too many liberal pundits do (the likes of Obrien springs to mind).
Absolutely! They play off incompetence & my god is it frustrating!! If any "normal" person was to essentially commit crimes or incite hatred, violence, division etc & their reasoning is essentially "Oh me no understood bad people do bad things because I say a silly, whoops!" We'd be out on our arse bare minimum, if not in court facing prison time! It's also terrifying when you look at asshats like Bojo? He played the clown, he is a total twat & whilst I don't see that man as particularly intelligent BUT! He's a grifter, he's all about him & what HE wants & is willing to do whatever it takes to get it. There are plenty of politicians who act in a very similar way, covering their evil intentions with shiny trinkets to distract. Then they jump in, all guns blazing & push through whatever policies it may be before anyone really realises what they're really doing.
This all stems from the mistaken belief that those with power are working for the general population. That has rarely been the case but for some reason people still begin their thinking from this starting point.
Nish is absolutely correct - if frustrated with the current nature of the BBC, just imagine what a life without it might be like. We've seen what angry people can persuade others to select and what the results of those choices can be .... think carefully before removing more of the culture that makes the British what they are.
Sadly people don't think carefully. They just blindly voted for Boris' hard Brexit because they were desperate to see the Brexit stalemate end. They have to see the consequences of their actions first hand before they realise what a mistake they made.
Britain ceased to be the cultured place you imagine about 13 years ago and it's about to get worse. I haven't watched the BBC for about 10 years and I promise you life is better without it.
@@135Ops You don't have to watch the BBC but try to imagine what would take it's place if it was gone. Do you think this country needs another privately owned GB News style government mouthpiece?
@@135Ops perhaps your values differ from mine. What the BBC has become is not what it was and removing it is guaranteed to reduce quality, whether you believe it or not.
@@Pyladin prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group. the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another. That's the ACTUAL definition. Not the bullshit sociological redefinition.
Suella Braverman's father fled Kenya during the Mau Mau uprising, because of all the deaths at the British concentration camp he was running. Now, his daughter is going back to Africa, to set up a British concentration camp. We have been neglecting creating jobs and funding the coast guard, or the civil service for processing migrants, and instead paying money to hoteliers to house migrants in limbo. All so they can eventually be fed as stock to Suella's camps.
FACT CHECK: Christie Fernandes left Kenya in the late sixties (a number of years after Independence, and almost a decade after Mau Mau). I'm certainly no fan or defender of Braverman (or, by extension, her family) nor of the British atrocities in Kenya, but unless you can substantiate your remarks about "the British concentration camp he was running," you must retract that statement.
Mau Mau uprising started in 1952 when her Father would have been about 5 years old yet your saying he was running a concentration camp. Your talking complete bollocks lol
I wouldn't describe Braverman as incompetent. That is far too kind and unfair to truly incompetent people who work hard and put effort into the art of being incompetent. In fact, you could say she is incompetent at being incompetent because she never really rises to the height of being incompetent but wallows around way below that level of achievement. You could argue she needs help to become at least 'weakly' incompetent. She really should ask her old mate Boris Johnson for some tips on how to become a true incompetent. He had it down to a fine art.
Being so openly hated by the daily Mail and their commenters is the highest possible badge of honour for Nish - their loathing shows they're genuinely scared of him, his views and his excellent delivery.
The most astonishing result that's barely talked about is Dover council. Labour flipped that directly from the Tories. All the xenophobia and stop the boats rhetoric and the Tories couldn't even hold on to Dover.
Nish as a hindu would also have recognised that braverman, patel and sunak are hindus and modi supporters so would be racist towards asylum seekers ( mainly middle eastern and black in orign) and blacks in general.
I get your point but I disagree A lot of them feel comfortable talking about south Asian immigration as they make up the bulk of people in this country black people only make up 3% many of whom came under wind rush and many Africans who immigrate don’t make up the percentage that south Asian do Importantly a lot of south Asian make up huge communities in London, South Yorkshire, Manchester everywhere. As someone who goes to Uni up north there’s hardly any black people here but. A lot of international students are either East Asian or international south Asian student or the ones born here make up a huge cohort of students. Suella clearly attacked British Pakistani men in her rage about them sexually assaulting young white working class girls And many of the immigrants housed in hotels are from Syria, Afghanistan, India. There was even a scandal of Vietnamese immigrants scamming the system with them buying a baby daddy to use to stay in the country as they said there children father was a British citizen So no, whilst south Asian are racist especially yes to black people, black peoples are not the centre of these conversations. At this point there irrelevant to these conversations, the only time they bring up black people is when they talk about race and culture wars and woke politics mate And yes there are African immigrants don’t get me wrong, but like I said black African people are being turned away But the others like Lebanese, Indian, Pakistani, Syrian and Afghanistan people are coming on boats and stuff claiming asylum Black people aren’t doing that mate, most come Under a visa to work for the NHS even then there not much But on the news recently is was said that many people from India were coming to the Uk to study under commonwealth visa’s And there the group most loyal to Britain cause there BENEFITTING yet in black commonwealth countries they don’t benefit and are trying to get rid of the monarchy with Jamaica 🇯🇲 being next to get rid of them So no, I think this is another ‘black people are being discriminated by them’ no it doesn’t make sense
@@sayithowitis1 they have all played the game so far but the torries daliance with facism is a game changer. the game is breaking down and no ones going to keep the lid on
As an American (Floridian to boot), I do confess I'm a bit of a connoisseur of the US and UK political rigamarole; in fact, in my state it's rather become a necessity for survival. Although I'll catch Favreau's podcasts if the guest sparks an interest, I find myself truly psyched for the UK version and Kumar's interpretation of the format ('cause as aforementioned, the Brits _do_ political humour better..at the very least, y'all are funny.) oh, btw...in America, we call that stinky indiscretion "crop-dusting"..just thought I'd let y'all know. (◠‿◕)
You didn't need to say you were from Florida, we can see it by the way you typed your username and that creepy as hell emoji at the end. You are terrifying
I enjoyed Nish Kumar's topical tv show but obviously it wasn't exactly surrounded by love by the BBC. So hopefully this new venture will be successful.
Agree 100% with you, Nish: tackling the climate crisis NOW ought to be society's No.1 priority. In the process we would eradicate the inequalities that exist today. I, too, evidently, am an idealist. Thanks Politics Joe for this great interview 👍
Nish is up there with Mark Thomas and Tom Walker, modern greats of comedy offering better reporting on British Politics and modern life than the news providers
There's 20 cookies in the jar. A capitalist takes 19 cookies, and tells the rest of the kids to be aware of other kids, bcz "they will steal your cookie!" while eating the last cookie in front of them.
Problem I have is they are confusing racism with immigration. The British born asians working classes get a lot of racism and classism. No one has ever addressed it.
A solid gold coronation during cost of living crisis. Almost as good as Cameron announcing austerity and government cutbacks left right and centre at a dinner that probably cost 3k+ per seat, sat next to somone on a gold throne.
1 in 5 people in the U.K. were not born here which has significantly increased the population and has cultural implications. It is not right to belittle all concerns or call everyone racist? France has not been able to integrate people and it has raised questions about multiculturalism vs integration and how quickly a country should be changed or if it is changing for the better
Seriously? I thought he was a talentless hack who used nepotism to gain a completely undeserved series of television appearances to kickstart a failed comedy career! The more you know I suppose...
Totally agree. Sue La is totally racist but also treats British people, the poor and working poor and treats nhs nurses with complete disdained. She feeds off the frustration of people that need housing and better opportunities wait to see the eu laws Torres are proposing getting rid off, like clean water, cosmetic testing on animals.
Nish may be risking his career (at least with the BBC) for being this frank, but i guess the Chairman resigned, and a change of government widely expected, so maybe not
As a brown Brit - I can only agree with what Nish says about not celebrating Sunak, Braverman (or Patel or Cleverly, etc) achieving political status in the UK as some measure of tolerance and progress. I don’t need to repeat what he says, but I see them as ultimate suck ups, desperate for crumbs from the table, like parodies of that bloke off ‘It Ain’t Half Hot, Mum’. They’re teeth-gratingly awful.
It's sadly a very slow process and a reason why I can't support Keir Starmer Keir Starmer rightfully backs Ukraine. Putin wants Ukraine due to it being a former member of the soviet union, and because Ukraine is a bread basket Putin wants pretty much ANY former soviet territory that they're willing to use force to get When it comes to Kashmir however (ie: where my family is from) Keir Starmer says "It's a bilateral issue" all whilst he curries support with Modi Modi believes in an Akhand Bharat and has links to the extremist group, RSS. He too wants the exact same goals as Putin except for South Asia, starting with Kashmir. You can't have an Akhand Bharat without violent imperialism, or super progressive ideas. An Akhand Bharat would put south Asia essentially under Hindu supremacy I too would back a unification of south Asia but not with any Muslim, Sikh or Hindu supremacy. Ie: like the EU, but that's a slight tangent Given that Keir has basically given the green light to Modi, Modi knows the west no longer cares, so he's become ever more aggressive towards Kashmir. Kashmir also has one of the most important resources on the planet which can't readily be used by any county except it's neighboring nations (water) I see his words as a way of saying "Screw the families of 3 million British Kashmiris. You don't actually matter because we want a trade deal with India" FWIW, I'm not anti India either. I'm anti Modi. Pre Modi, India and Pakistan both used diplomacy where possible and blaming the other country where possible Pre Modi, Kashmir had a fairly strong Kashmiri Independence movement. After Modi comes along, almost all Kashmiris sided with Pakistan because they've got a military and Modi is the one attacking, so you don't really have a choice. That and so far, Pakistan has kept it's promise of keeping Kashmir Azad (free) Apparently freedom is only for white people and those countries that have oil can be invades for the false idea of freedom.
i know they are the true masters of it, the majority one by far is the cross worshipping one with the white blonde haired hippy character nailed on to it
Options: A. Have it loud enough to hear interviewer & be deafened by Kumar B. Have it comfortable for Kumar & miss the questions I wish we'd had: C. Balance the fucking audio channels
In sane countries Suella Braverman would've been tossed into prison long ago, and not get out anytime soon ... but then, sane countries have a constitution and independent prosecutors.
Suella(or CRUELLA):Braverman,'s family are originally from Goa, which was under Portuguese control, BRAVERMAN isn't racist ( unless you want to go by old common sayings of Indian people , that Goan's are "More British than the British" ) but she is Religiously and culturally bigoted.
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Some of the most racist people on earth are Indians - and before people say she was born in UK, her heritage is Indian. Nobody seems to talk about how abhorrent the cast system is because it goes against the narrative.
They know there are millions very unhappy about high levels of immigration ,, They are not as vocal and heard as middle class England but are very many , People would do well to be aware ,,
racism was part of the curriculum, it was part of culture and beamed into every livingroom. i would say if you were born before about 1990-1995, racism was forced on you. even if you do not want to be or think you are not racist, its part of your upbringing. its not your fault.
I must thank my mother I suppose for not being British. As immigrants, that was not our reality and she is who instilled in me the standards and morals I hold today.
