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Attempting to road trip in my Rivian R1T. Easy charging, frustrating charging, broken chargers, and more!
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@more9114 10 месяцев назад

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@blah979 Год назад

The entire road trip consists of worrying about charging stations.

@nohandle4u2see Год назад

No thanks. I can go 500 miles on diesel without any worries of looking for fuel.

@trspicer Год назад

@@nohandle4u2see I own a diesel truck (25 mpg) and a Tesla and I can say that road tripping in both is roughly equivalent. The diesel gets further but costs 3x to 4x more than Supercharging. Overall there are cost vs time considerations for each. Having said all of that if I was forced out of the Supercharger network my opinion would likely change very quickly.

@Bredddi Год назад

@@trspicer I also own model x and f250 (gas) and if i didn’t have Tesla supercharging stations I would not ever have bought the model x. As soon as I see a volt plopping it’s fat fugly behind in my Tesla charging spot I’m going to probably go back to gas sedan. Somehow I doubt other manufacturers are going to take advantage of Tesla stations, they have repeatedly tried to offer them and no one seems to be jumping on the bandwagon. They’d rather keep their 900 pin club shaped axe head charging receptacles

@CrispyOkra Год назад

Check Rivian's Adventure Network chargers. More coming soon.

@trspicer Год назад

@@CrispyOkra This is the way. Hopefully they can scale the fast chargers.

@KineticEV Год назад

I took delivery of my Model Y a month ago and I've only used the super charger once and that was on the day I took delivery. The super charger is in my city so I stopped there on my way home since my home charger wasn't installed as of yet. It's a V3 super charger and I was the only car there...doesn't really matter too much with a V3 charger... But I say all this because my wife was with me. She has no experience with electric cars. I pulled in with 41% and set my limit to 80%. I was there literally 10 minutes. About time I got to messing with the infotainment center and setting up my Netflix and Disney+ access as well as making a few other adjustments it was done charging. There was absolutely NO issues. I plugged in, got the green light and viola. Since my debit card is on file with Tesla it was no muss, no fuss..!!! Now, I was thinking your experience on the way up was a disaster but in my opinion your whole experience was a nightmare. EvGo might be a little better from what you experienced but it's obvious that EA is simply a government mandated compliance network and it solidifies my decision for going with Tesla.

@envisionelectronics Год назад

Exactly. No matter how he tried to sugarcoat it - the non-Tesla charging was a big fat HASSHOLE.

@iamgermane Год назад

A road trip in an RV is an oxymoron!! EVs are only good for around town.

@UTubeRangerBob Год назад

When a Rivian travel experience video becomes a Tesla advertisement. 🤭

@iamgermane Год назад

A road trip in an RV is an oxymoron!! EVs are only good for around town.

@LaBamba690 Год назад

@@iamgermane Wrong! You just haven't driven a Tesla.

@iamgermane Год назад

@@LaBamba690 Enjoy the spot welded body on that Tesla.

@SN-zf6yc Год назад

@@iamgermane every car manufacturer uses spot welding 🐑

@iamgermane Год назад

@@SN-zf6yc Yes but with Tesla to varying degrees from what some say. I would not know as I have not crawled underneath one. I did see a Tesla driving itself around a Walmart parking lot aimlessly....

@leetjohnson Год назад

So glad I bought my 2019 Model 3 and not some other brand....no comparison! I have over 108k miles on it and supercharge all the time doing that drive from San Diego to Sacramento frequently, with zero issues.

@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Год назад

You supercharge all the time? Hmmm...that's not good, actually. Supercharging is really only something to be done when you're road tripping. You have a 2019 Model 3 with 108K miles, which means you've been putting on over 25k miles a year. There'a a RU-vidr who's Model 3 battery died at 140K miles. All he did was super charge it. Now granted, he was doing Uber, but you may want to limit your super charging. Ideally, 90% of the time, you're just using a level 2 charger. Super charging all the time severely limits the battery.

@leetjohnson Год назад

@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 I do uber too.

@zguy95135 Год назад

@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 supercharging is fine and won’t hurt your battery, its all very well managed.

@tonyn3227 Год назад

You were smart.

@LarsDennert Год назад

@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 beats pushing the car to Sacramento.

@MADMAX7330 Год назад

Yeah, I'm never switching out of Teslas unless these new EV companies take charging seriously. They're just pushing out the cars, and hoping the customer figures out how to charge it on roadtrips.

@rnursemd Год назад

You mean until the country takes charging seriously.

@KGTv123 Год назад

@@rnursemd no. If you’ve tried a Tesla and dealt with the charging, it’s definitely the companies. I’ve never been worried yet about finding a Tesla charger. I’ve experienced very few that didn’t work and when they didn’t there were like 10 others available. The government and companies are pumping this crap out and like the OP said, want the consumer to figure it out after the fact. This is going to leave a sour taste in peoples mouths who try purchasing EV’s that aren’t Teslas.

@coldheartz2686 Год назад

Tesla is letting 3rd party cars to charge at level 3 chargers. I choose Tesla because of it’s infrastructure

@Blueman2018 Год назад

We need 1 charging network that works with all EV cars I think that will solve the charging issue we are starting to see now

@snowmannyc1 Год назад

Tesla 10 years ago.

@JK_Vegas Год назад

The chargers are everything. Right now Tesla is the only one that has it covered unfortunately. The others need to catch up big time. We love our Model X Plaid and we don't worry about going almost anywhere. In fact we stopped flying to Vegas (from Socal) as the Tesla is just so much more enjoyable (And cheaper). (Regular) Autopilot works everywhere as well. As much as I love the Rivian, This video made me very anxious.

@AaronMcFarland Год назад

Since I have owned my Model 3, which I took ownership in the end of June in 2020, I have taken two 3000+ miles road trips. I have only had two issues, one on my first road trip to the west coast and back, at the Tremonton, Utah charged up to the percentage it said I needed and left to go to the Evanston Wy supercharger and then leaving there it wanted me to go back to Tremonton because the Evanston was 100% out of order. A call to Tesla Supercharger support line told me that it was in order and working. Once I got the Evanston everything was working, even though the car said out of order, still. This year on my second road trip, Las Vegas, NM told me I needed to charge for 15 minutes, which I did and started driving towards Trinidad CO, where it showed I was going to be a negative percent 10 miles away from Las Vegas and told me I needed to go back and charge more. A little frustrating for that second one. Everything else with Tesla Supercharging has been flawless and it is most definitely a competitive edge on other brand EVs and a subpar charging network. This definitely needs to be improved if they expect people to give up their ICE cars and go to EVs and don't want a Tesla.

@ferrynpalmer3875 Год назад

This is why I can't see myself buying any EV that's not a Tesla. I've driven 1k miles to Florida and another 1k miles back with ZERO issues. I test drove the Ioniq 5 and tried to charge at an EVGO on the test drive. 6 stalls and 3 of them were broken. The one we plugged into capped us at 40kw. It'll be a good long while before I consider anything other then a Tesla.

@737smartin Год назад

Non-Tesla charger locations in the US are trash. Unreliable and too few stalls per location.

@gabrielrabelo4968 Год назад

get an adapter and use a tesla charger station. Third party stations are just not up to par to rely on them going across country

@ferrynpalmer3875 Год назад

@@gabrielrabelo4968 ....as far as I know that's not an option just yet in the US. But I've BEEN saying that IF they ever open up the SC network my next car will NOT be a new Tesla Model S.

@gabrielrabelo4968 Год назад

@@ferrynpalmer3875 it already is open. They opened it up a month ago and released the tesla charger design to the public to make it more widespread

@ferrynpalmer3875 Год назад

@@gabrielrabelo4968 . Where are you getting this information? I own a Tesla Model S and the pilot has been active, on SOME chargers, in SOME countries. The US isn't on the list as of yet as far as I know. You did make me double check my app to see if I missed a push notification of some sort though! Lol

@1slyboy Год назад

The Tesla Cybertruck really needs to have the promised 500+ miles range. This is critical to avoid the problems many e-truck owners are facing for towing , camping, and other long road trips.

@Grant5321 Год назад

I don’t know about range but they recently said the cybertruck will use the new v4 chargers and charge ludicrously quick with 1000 volts. The other neat rumor is that the v3 chargers just need a software update to become v4.

@williamhaynes7089 Год назад

towing with a cyber truck will knock range to at least half

@1slyboy Год назад

@@williamhaynes7089 which is why Tesla needs to keep its promise of 500+ (without towing) so that the truck can be used for tasks such as towing, camping, loads, etc.

@4rwayner7 Год назад

I’ve found making your route “round trip” is best because the planner can think it has been successful getting you there with excess range but then no fast chargers at your destination to get you back to a fast charger where you could have added range on the way out. EA app was showing “vehicle asking for” in October ‘21 but later disappeared so I don’t know now whether the fault with slow charging is my car or EA.

@tmcquitty Год назад

Those charging rates are insane.

@rogergeyer9851 Год назад

Thomas: Yup. About like gasoline prices in states with roughly average US prices. So much for the idea of saving massively on charging vs. buying gasoline -- at least for Rivian.

@tmcquitty Год назад

@@rogergeyer9851 So, all the disadvantages of long charging times, inconvenient locations, range anxiety all without the benefit of cost savings. At least there is less maintenance,one would hope.

@TheOneLastSpartan Год назад

Im actually very surprised by the price. It really lowers the value of EVs. It solidifies that we aren’t there yet. 10-20 years I think we will be.

@tmcquitty Год назад

@@TheOneLastSpartan At one point, I was paying about 6c per kWh. Right now I am about 13c. But traveling past the house and getting 43c kWh is just insane. In this case, all you’ve done is move your tailpipe to central location, no cost savings and it takes more time. I’ve used a supercharger once. And I’ve owned electric cars for 5 years.

@GeoffJohnson Год назад

@@tmcquitty Remember typically you charge at home which is much cheaper, fast chargers are for road trips

@troutnut01 Год назад

The part you left out is Harris Ranch is out in the BOONIES on I-5 and it’s about 40 miles one direction and 70 miles the other direction to another charging station or freeway exit really for that matter. You CAN’T LEAVE Harris Ranch . With a Tesla, you could have stopped at that nice Tesla charge station in Kettleman City that has a lounge, restrooms, shade, solar powered…

@JeffJacquesmd Год назад

Which was exactly what we did on our way to Disney Thanksgiving week. Love the Kettleman station

@MichaelPusateri Год назад

The CCS charging was a real issue when I had a Chevy Bolt. Frequent disconnects and high unavailability. I was hoping it had improved over the last three years. The Tesla Superchargers are really the standard for what should be expected from the CCS systems. Not sure what the underlying issue with EA and EvGo is, but I hope they can improve.

@voyagerman22 Год назад

Had same issues with my Bolt. Sessions usually started with app not working, then I would try using card reader, but that would not work either. Then I’d call customer service and they would restart charger. Of course, they would also instruct me to push down on CCS connector because “Bolts sometimes have issues”. After rep restarted charger, I’d try a couple more times before being asked to move my car to try another charger. Often times, phone rep would accept defeat and just manually start a complimentary charge for me. I think I can only remember one time EA charger worked on first try. However, although I had lot of problems with EA chargers, I have to say the customer service reps were always great. They genuinely seemed liked they cared and wanted to resolve problem.

@gerrylum Год назад

I think the issue is that they're not maintained as well as Superchargers are. They're just allowed to languish by EA and EVgo. After all, EA is just a compliance company and they're really only incentivized to build new stations, not to maintain the ones they already have.

@ai4px Год назад

I had the same issues with my Chevy bolt. I traded and got a Tesla. Later I bought a chademo adapter for the Tesla, and have troubles with the turbo and CCS chargers when using that adapter. I think the problem is not the Chevy bolt, the problem is the chargers that don’t say Tesla.

@brendykes1202 Год назад

@@gerrylum I think they attempt maintenance, but the contracted maintenance workers aren’t that good. Right after the crew left from “fixing” the Boise EA chargers, I plugged in my Tesla with the CCS adapter and the 350Kw charger was still only doing 38Kw. Still, I have done over 3k miles of road trips off the Tesla network (Bolt & Model Y). The demand isn’t so high outside of CA, so it’s easier to switch to a working charger.

@thefunkydeep446 Год назад

Aren’t the superchargers subsidized by the government? Shouldn’t all chargers use the same standard?

@TechKingGame Год назад

EA had 2 plugs primarily for redundancy. They break really easily. Mostly the temperature sensor which then limits to like 37kw for safety.

@rogergeyer9851 Год назад

KyleDinHD: Why do I have trouble BELIEVING that if they actually CARED, they could hire or task competent engineers to FIX such issues. This reminds me of my mom (an industrial designer) having to work out fixing a problem with her 57 Chevy by designing the part herself and giving the design to Chevy, in exchange for them fabricating the part for her and installing it -- fixing some sort of issue with the heater not working right (it worked, but poorly and misdirected lots of the heat). The incompetence of many companies just boggles my mind.

@gbinman Год назад

I am glad you made it home. The fear of range anxiety realized. I chose Tesla as my first EV. At the time Tesla had years of production and seemed like the safest choice. Their Supercharger Network seemed like a big plus. Third party chargers seem mostly a joke. I visited a local Charge Point charger at the local Whole Foods (I am in Texas) mostly for the experience. I used the J1772 adapter and plugged in. Free charging at one of the two stalls. I went in and browsed the store. Bad day for it, they were performing a major reconfiguration that affected 1/3 of the store. After 20 minutes, I went back to my car which had gained 4 additional miles. Woo Hoo. In retrospect, their EV stalls would be useful when the store is busy, sort of like handicap spots as they are reserved for EVs.

@mikebalentine Год назад

Lol 4 miles, useless except in emergency or keeping the car cool/warm

@JeepCherokeeful Год назад

Range reality

@mikebalentine Год назад

@@JeepCherokeeful too heavy not aerodynamic also

@pauliusvindzigelskis2224 Год назад

let's not compare DC fast charging (e.x. Supercharger) with J1772 (lvl2). Totally different use cases and price points. J1772 is same you would install at home for overnight full charge, so 4 miles of added range for short stop is normal. They are very useful for extended shopping or cinema visit, though they are not built for roadtripping for sure

@mikebalentine Год назад

@@pauliusvindzigelskis2224 except you aren’t parked there overnight. It would be reasonable to use a 50kwh charger or something of that nature for a small fee

@mrhome2650 Год назад

I got a tesla about two months ago and loving it. super chargers are every where and never had a single problem charging and never had to wait for a free spot to charge.

@DesertStarSystems Год назад

True on the unreliable chargers, but we are making our Bolt EUV working real nice for our long mountain commute use case. Charging it from solar in the summer, and low-rate commercial electricity in the winter. Energy cost down from $700 / month to $100 / month. Almost makes up for the car payment on the Bolt. We kept our 2016 Tacoma 4WD, which now may last many more years for the essential hauling duties and 4WD fun.

@xzysyndrome Год назад

As a guy who loves road tripping...I can't imagine my 15 minute fuel stop being an almost hour long stop each time....nevermind the almost 100k price tag on a truck half as capable as a Jeep....who just introduced their E-Wrangler...while intrigued...I am interested in seeing how charging one of those out on the trail is going to be practical aside from solar panels on the roof. Awesome video...I always get excited when I see a Rivian in the wild. Such a good looking Truck.

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

For road tripping, a hybrid car will be the best.

@neogenesus Год назад

And one of the charge cost $40 for a 71% state of charge so what makes it different than regular/hybrid car. I could drive my 2019 Ioniq Hybrid more than 600 miles and I average around 550 miles from full tank to almost empty mixed driving which will be around 10 gallons of gas. So the cost will be around $54 to top up and took about 5-15 minutes and I am ready to go.

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

@@neogenesus It is different if you slow charge at home at free or almost free pricing. For road tripping, hybrids are superior.

@neogenesus Год назад

@Callistos Cali I think the best of both worlds right now is PHEV. Good for commuting and also road trip. The initial cost of pure EV alone is way higher than PHEV.

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

@@neogenesus only if you need to make regular long road trips.

@vectorvm Год назад

Have had a Tesla for 4 years. The Supercharger network is lightyears ahead of anything else. I am very tempted by other EV brands, but sticking to Tesla just for their fantastic network. Been all over the place on the West coast and Southwest without a single issue and minima wait times (the hundred charging stops we made over the years were always welcome and nice short breaks). If the gvt wants rapid adoption of EVs, they need to massively invest or incentivize expansion and standardization of charging stations.

@E-Nigma_ Год назад

Our energy grid can’t handle it. This is the reason why EV adoption will be slow and steady. We’re at the bottleneck, which is a lack of infrastructure. The energy grid needs to be improved upon. If only we could get over the misplaced fears of nuclear energy. It is very green. After construction, there’s no input of fossil fuels and the energy is created by heating water. It’s very safe. With nuclear, we can have a electrified future. Without it, we will continue to rely on fossil fuels for majority of energy production.

@bevyg5635 Год назад

Govt intervention also needs to consider getting the EV car manufacturers to create much faster charging, especially if they want to meet goals of the majority of Americans transferring from ICE to EV.

@jaimeduncan6167 Год назад

@@E-Nigma_ There is one fallacy called non sequitur and this is a pretty good example. We all need to be vigilant about such issues. If people had invested in nuclear technology, right now, the grid will not handle it. By the way, distributed solar could help a lot during the summer days.

@E-Nigma_ Год назад

@@jaimeduncan6167 I can agree with what’s you’ve said here. But wind/solar are not going to and have not had significant impacts on our energy production or distribution. Nuclear would have the most positive effect, and i entirely agree that our power grids need a complete overhaul.

@ZeusyZeus Год назад

Govt is already working on it they know it’s an issue

@planoman0935 Год назад

Seeing this and another similar video with a Rivian and the unreliability of EA and others caused me to pass on Rivian. It really does show how Tesla nailed the supercharger network. I have an EV6 but take an ICE vehicle on road trips. Now you see why. The EV6 is awesome around town, but it will be a while before I go road tripping. Considering a model Y performance which I would take on a road trip.

@stevedowler2366 Год назад

We drive a Model Y LR east-west on I40 a lot. We start out on I5 south in California then jump over to I40 at Barstow. The big Tesla "lounge" station at Kettleman City is great for a fast charge and a break with espresso coffee, restrooms and comfy couches. We have used a chargepoint station a few times using the CCS1 adapter with no problems. We have never used an EA or EVgo station and from your and other's experiences we'll probably never use one. My dark side thinks those networks are just waiting for Tesla to open up all their stations to CCS1 to fill out "their" network. On a brighter side, it's really just all about early technology and working out the kinks. Hopefully some after-market company will produce a Tesla charger to CCS1 ported car so you can drive that fun Rivian on long trips without the hassles. Cheers and drive safely.

@rocket3man Год назад

I went non Tesla route in the UK for 18 months and while it was okay if you home charged, however on distances it was a pain. I now have a Tesla model 3 and totally appreciate the network. It’s a lack of investment by other manufacturers, as most also manufacture ICE there is no incentive for them to improve.

@Kabab Год назад

Hey Ryan, what do you travel back and forth from so often. I too live in Westwood/LA and travel back and forth to Fairfield at least twice a month these days. Just curious.

@TrespassersWillBeShot Год назад

Pretty sure the variable kWh you're seeing is an Electrify America issue. I see it all the time with different chargers locally and the one time I did a trip around NYC. I know the local ones to pull into to get the full (usually 180 kWh with my Rivian on the 150 kWh chargers.) Your way back sounds exactly like my NYC trip was. I ended up going to two different EA chargers in the area and was getting 20kWh on the first one, then no connections at any of the other chargers, including the Elizabeth NJ stop where I think there were 12 chargers open, that was something that was weird with Rivian and EA that night, and the EA support line was down. I ended up at an EVgo charger 20 minutes away and was getting around 85 kWh, which allowed me to sleep a little while it was charging (it was around 4am at this point.) It was a nightmare of a night.

@jmoneymillionaire6705 Год назад

Wow, so happy i didn’t jump in the rivian bandwagon just yet. That looks like a terrible experience compared to tesla. No doubt it will get better overtime, but at this point it looks like a huge hassle to travel. Great video thanks for posting.

@michaelboehm2598 Год назад

The Rivian wasn’t the problem it was Electrify America.

@jmoneymillionaire6705 Год назад

@@michaelboehm2598 autopilot randomly cutting off was not rivians fault?

@steely185 Год назад

Did you have the Rivian precondition the battery for charging to increase the charge speeds when charging?

@omarsub6125 Год назад

What an absolute NIGHTMARE! I would never want to have that experience. I am literally watching this hours before my wife and I take off to AZ from CA on our Teslas. Because we both own Teslas and have done long trips, we don't worry one bit of charging and are looking forward to our 5+ hr drive. But this experience you shared with us is unacceptable. Yeah, I don't see myself getting a non-tesla EV in the near future.

@rogergeyer9851 Год назад

Omar Sub: I really didn't envision the competition would be this poor re having their charging reliable and friendly and competitive for so long. Early on, it made more sense. Kudos to Tesla for being so far ahead on this until the competition manages to wake up and shape up.

@GeoffJohnson Год назад

It's because he is used to Tesla and how they operate. Other EV's you need to change your mindset, you need to check the EA app and verify what stations are available before arriving.

@aaron___6014 Год назад

I don't worry either, but that's becuase I don't drive an EV. Videos like these just show they're a long way from being the future unless you have a tesla.

@gabrielrabelo4968 Год назад

There's always the Aptera car... Well, soon hopefully

@omarsub6125 Год назад

@@rogergeyer9851 yeah man! This video is concerning because stuff like this makes ppl doubt EVs. Well, I’m currently in AZ and we brought both our teslas, it was an awesome ride here, the supercharger was freaking fast both my girl and I were amazed. We rarely use superchargers since we do most of our charging at home. We did get a hotel which happened to have noodoe chargers. Using my J1772 adapter for the first time and the great thing is this hotel is new so all the chargers work really well. But I would be concerned about taking this road trip with a non tesla EV. Tesla took a huge risk early on and its paying off! They are really far ahead.

@martinmeredith8964 Год назад

Its almost like the networks don't want charging to work, so the csd manufacturers can still sell more ICE.

@JeepCherokeeful Год назад

Not really...

@brucejohnson1264 Год назад

I was shocked when I saw how much you were paying for charging. 0.40$ PER KWH! That's outrageous! It completely negates any advantage of running an EV over using a gas-powered car. There is definitely savings if you charge at home for 10-15 cents per kWh, but with the prices they charge for remote charging, you're better off with a gas car for road trips.

@zdwade Год назад

Plus factoring in the higher registration fees it becomes about the same as ICE.

@user-bc7cb8uu7e Год назад

These high power chargers really should only be used for road trips, and being similar price to a gas car for a road trip (minus the first 300 miles, since you should have been able to get a full charge at home) really isn't a big deal. If you can't charge where you live or work, EVs probably aren't a great option, but fortunately, more and more places offer charging (both where I and where my wife work have chargers, as did my last 2 apartments), and charging at home, even with a normal outlet, is good enough for the vast majority of people's daily needs.

@leos3003 9 месяцев назад

At this point hybrids beat the shit out of EV especially on longer trips.

@peber13 Год назад

Do you have to pay for the navigation service? I always wonder this with EVs. I'm guessing it needs a network connection to know where charging stations are.

@Stack151 Год назад

I'm super excited to get my R1T, but I also know that I can't road trip it as where I want to take it there isn't any chargers, so I'll have to take the Model Y instead. Kind of a bummer, but around KC (home), it's going to be awesome! Charging costs are really apples to orange when you compare it to a Tesla. The R1T battery is significantly bigger, so it's expected to take longer to charge and cost more.

@Matzes Год назад

Why would you need both cars

@No19920 Год назад

I'm taking my first long road trip from Arizona through California up to Oregon and not getting great hopes after watching this. Luckily, I won't be in a hurry, but I'll have to check out other charging networks like evgo since electrify America seems to have issues. Hopefully there will be so hotel rooms available in case things don't work out.

@openmind6969 Год назад

And this is why I have hard time going down to 10% unless there are multiple charge options around.

@mymelt1770 Год назад

Govt easily rolls out a charge program but will it be functional AND maintained?

@jroc4ever Год назад

Rich Rebuilds already chronicled the lack of charging areas travelling off US 95. Loves the EV truck

@ebonysanders2192 Год назад

Yes, that’s a “no-go”. Especially with kids. Thankfully I didn’t let my hubby persuade me to chose a brand other than Tesla. We don’t take long road trips often, but when we do, we don’t want to stress about how we will charge our vehicle. I hate to hear about your terrible experience. Hopefully things will change soon and there will be more options once the NACS is implemented by all manufacturers.

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

That is because you are rich and can afford to pay much more money for a car. Not everyone has that luxury.

@zguy95135 Год назад

@@callistoscali4344 then stay with a regular internal combustion car… If you want to spring for a decent EV then you can get a Tesla for the same price as an Ioniq5, EV6 etc but those are stuck on a gimped charging system. The Rivian also costs more than the average Tesla.

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

@@zguy95135 Yes, as I said, if you are rich to not care about money, then sure. But not everyone has that luxury.

@davestagner Год назад

This is very informative and nicely done! As someone planning to get an EV a year or two down the road, it’s good to know what issues I’ll be facing.

@tonyn3227 Год назад

You won't have any issues if you buy a tesla, which is the real deal, screw all the rest.

@markdoran3114 Год назад

Waiting a year or two ? You won’t have issues because a lot more charging stations will be built by then

@douglascarrphotography 10 месяцев назад

Hi I don't have an electric car but it would clearly make sense to charge it for the day after your arrival the day before or to add a next day destination as there might not be chargers near by

@JimCourtney33 Год назад

Thanks for the great content. I will absolutely stay with my Tesla. Over 4 years and 103K miles and I still love it

@JDTaylor Год назад

Yes, the Tesla network is the best. Hope they open it up. You should be driving on Conserve Mode for trips. You can change still change the height to low or standard. The key to Conserve is you only use the front two motors, which extends your range, by a lot. And look for the 250 kW if you can.

@Alexander-NA Год назад

Im pretty sure Tesla network has been open for years, and they definitely released their patent on their charge port design. Its a conscious choice by brands to not make the effort to integrate.

@justinbukoski1 Год назад

@@Alexander-NA It's only open to non-Teslas in Europe currently. They have stated they plan to open it up to other EVs in the future

@openmind6969 Год назад

@@Alexander-NA that is not correct outside Europe. And they just opened up the charger patent for use a few weeks ago. They could have done this years ago but did not and were legally going after anyone who tried. They could have been the global standard with their chargers if they had done this years ago

@LarsDennert Год назад

@@openmind6969 it was open to other manufacturers always but they had to open source their own technology as well to be allowed. Nobody took the bait.

@openmind6969 Год назад

@@LarsDennert so it wasn’t open as many Tesla fans were made to believe.

@Crakmonkey691 Год назад

This was the exact reason why I went with Tesla over the other EV companies or the other companies making EVS Tesla has the infrastructure they've been working on it for the last decade nobody else has it

@gloomiehoodie Год назад

Gosh, that's crazy, it cost me $32 on fuel to go 160 miles with my F150 and anxiety-free!

@michaelracicot233 Год назад

And yet, I stop for gas,fill up, go in the store for a bathroom break, wait in line to purchase snacks, and walk back to my truck, while Tesla owners are sitting at charging stations that whole time and then some....

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

@@michaelracicot233 Most EV owners, Tesla included do not visit the superchargers or EA stations at all.

@michaelracicot233 Год назад

@@callistoscali4344 I guess those that commute to work, run errands, etc, these are good for that. But long distance driving, towing, carrying a lot of weight, EVs need more work to become a viable alternative

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

@@michaelracicot233 Long distance driving is not an issue in terms of the solution. The problem is the sub standard service of companies providing the fast charging infrastructure in North America. If you go with Tesla, then it is not a problem at all. However, your concerns about trucks and towing is a real concern. That is because EV batteries are heavy and also expensive. So, the more battery you pack, the more heavy the truck becomes and the worse the range increase with the added batteries. So, it is not optimal for trucks right now. You may end up paying the same amount, if not more for electricity than putting in gasoline. For commuter cars, EVs are more efficient, no doubt and you will save a lot compared to gas.

@Isaac-un4cn Год назад

7:50 : I know this exact charger at Harris Ranch - I used it within the past few weeks. That EA charger does not work properly - it charges, but not at the proper speed. Fortunately, when I used it, there were other chargers available because I was driving at night. So, I just switched to the charger next to it and got the expected charging speed. BTW, that's probably why the charge was complimentary.

@bimrara Год назад

Dang, how close to the steering wheel are you sitting? If that thing ever deploys, you're gonna have a bad time.

@chuckcarson7196 Год назад

Nice video. Excellent critique and comparison. Thank you. 👍

@Darclover82 Год назад

I have an Kia Soul ev 2017 damn thing only gets 65 miles on a full charge now. Was 113mikes when I purchased it brand new. 2020 I purchased a used 2018 Tesla M3 with 17,000 FSD and acceleration boost for $45,000 best experience and purchase ever. I still drive the Kia to work most days about 30 miles round trip. I’ve been trying to get a battery replacement on the Kia they are giving me hell. The charging experience was always a crazy situation taking any trip out of the city. And this was before DCFC were around like they are now. Mind you the Kia uses CHADEMO 😢😢

@Mr_Vosakisen Год назад

What do you mean acceleration boost? Is that like another tesla m3 model?

@Darclover82 Год назад

@@Mr_Vosakisen it’s a software unlocked upgrade. On dual motor M3 gets it close to m3 proformance speeds.

@Darclover82 Год назад

@@Mr_Vosakisen $2000

@Mr_Vosakisen Год назад

@@Darclover82 ohhh so it unlocks the motor limit. Idk how i feel about paying 2k for that tho, was it worth it?

@Darclover82 Год назад

@@Mr_Vosakisen I didn’t pay for it the previous owner did. So I’ve only experienced having it vs not having it. I would check some videos on RU-vid and see their reviews. I’ll say when I turn it off. It definitely feels like a different car.

@charleskavoukjian3441 Год назад

Does rivian offer needle proof tires? Seems like a necessity in cali. Love your truck, hopefully you are enjoying it!

@51AB Год назад

In BC along the Trans Canada the last 2 summers there were 3 hour waits just to get to a charger. That is 6 hours plus charging time to get from Vancouver to Alberta. We drive our f150 from Calgary to Vancouver in 10 hours.

@qingyuhu Год назад

Yup, Tesla chargers are massive differentiator. I don't even think about charging with Tesla.

@graffix11us Год назад

I was thinking about this while watching this video, they get out, figure out if the stall is working, do some kind of payment dance, then wait for several minutes to see if the charger will connect and if the charge rate is sufficient, then can finally go eat. Tesla you just park, plug in and walk away and it works 100% of the time.

@zguy95135 Год назад

@@graffix11us and its a LOT faster too. Over an hour for 10-80% is ridiculous.

@dannyabe6452 Год назад

The Rvian looks like too much stress for me. I need a truck that can get me there and back with as little range anxiety as possible.. Ill wait to see if the Cybertruck can live up to the hype on range and charging before I decide which truck I'll get

@qx4n9e1xp Год назад

Or just buy a diesel. Diesels are king for mpg, range, & towing big loads. Never have to worry.

@lesstevens2370 Год назад

Man I have an old 99 dodge Durango with the 5.9l I had range anxiety with that 300km a tank that cost 200$ to fill up any of these ev would go further on a full charge then that Durango does I don't get why people have this range anxiety considering it mostly mental manufactured... what did we do when gas station weren't as widely available like it is today oh and we didn't have goggle maps or any of that real time GPS location we had to buy a map figure out where we are and locate a gas station and hope it is still there 😀

@tiga2001 Год назад

I have a 150 mile Nissan Leaf and I’ll tell you that if I didn’t live in WA state I would have been screwed. I had to mentally calculate how much to charge until the next station so I know all the Chademo locations and how much battery I need to get to them really well.

@carlosesparza3718 Год назад

Which video did u speak more about the trip? The one you referred to in this video?

@teslaowner9020 Год назад

The Tesla supercharger network is the only one for me!

@gerrylum Год назад

Are you reporting your issues with the chargers to EVgo and EA? I feel like a lot of people experience these issues and just move on to a different charger without reporting the issue, and the charging providers never fix them because they never hear about the issues.

@Turbo6019 Год назад

Chargers are basically computers so technically they should report itself automatically…that is the key in tech anyways which is nothing special so requiring someone to report is going backwards…..IMO

@davefroman4700 Год назад

@@Turbo6019 That costs money to implement. Money that they were unwilling to spend.......

@The_DuMont_Network Год назад

You can report them in one hand and crap in the other. I have a big amount to bet you which hand will fill first.

@randominternet5586 Год назад

Haha... EA is paid in part based on reported "uptime" - so they DO NOT want to show a charger as down or slow so they can hit their targets and get that govt $$$. They are always working 100% even if 10 of the last 10 visits were charge failures and there have been no successful charges in a week. Yes, you can find EA chargers that are bagged off and haven't been used in a week showing "100% good to go". It would be absolutely trivial to show a charger has either impacted or offline if the last 3 sessions were below 50kw (ie, temp sensor bust - often), if the last 5 efforts to charge failed or if there have been no successful charges in the last 4 hours and expected charges > 5. EA is primarily about getting govt subsidy money. If you understand that you will understand why the consumer experience is so bad. They do somehow pay Accenture (via umlaut) to give them various awards. Accenture has "recognized Electrify America as the nation’s best charging network for the second year in a row" in some kind of govt audit. Hahah! That's kind of a laugh out loud statement. They also have the most advanced technology for reliability supposedly.

@houstoncommuterdashcam3013 Год назад

This is why the supercharger network is such a huge edge for tesla.

@bad2handedbowler Год назад

For the cruise control thing in my Accord, I just set it to 80/85 mph and let it do it's thing in traffic. It'll speed up or slow down as necessary (it caps at 90 mph and cuts out below 15 mph). It will set to whatever speed you turn it on at, so if you are at your cruising speed when you start it, that will be it's max speed.

@The_DuMont_Network Год назад

You have just described Autopilot in a Tesla. It's properly called TACC - Traffic Aware Cruise Control. It's all you need.

@Chrisb8s Год назад

I brought this up on other RU-vidrs videos last year that the number of ccs cars will vastly outnumber the charging system for those cars. My drive from Phoenix to LA is easy in a Tesla. In a cvs car. Yoh will have to wait at every charger along the way

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

It is also easy in a Prius.

@The_DuMont_Network Год назад

@@callistoscali4344 Owning a Prius is like dating an ugly woman or riding a moped. Maybe a pretty good ride, but you don't want your friends to see you riding it.

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

@@The_DuMont_Network Of course, but not many people have the luxury to spend more money than necessary for traveling.

@The_DuMont_Network Год назад

@@callistoscali4344 Which is why Supercharging is better. It is less expensive than the others.

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

@@The_DuMont_Network Not really. Maybe same price. The Tesla is much more expensive though.

@terryt2728 Год назад

Can you imagine the lines at charging stations when everyone has an EV and it takes 15 minutes for each person to charge? Charging stations (gas stations) will look like car lots.

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

The stations will like that as you will more likely go in to buy stuff from their store.

@rc28ify Год назад

Buford ga the line to the supercharger was 30 mins and it took 30 mins for my rented model 3 to go from 24 to 80 percent. Also the line was so random as it weaved through the costco parking lot we had to keep an eye out for line jumpers sneaking in

@terryt2728 Год назад

@@rc28ify That is now when not many people own them. It will be different when everyone has to drive one.

@nowteslafy Год назад

16:39 is that blood on the charger?! 😂

@JeffJacquesmd Год назад

We just did the same trip 2 weeks ago, taking the kids to Disney. 2019 Raven Model X We wound up charging three times each way, Harris Ranch, Kettleman and Bakersfield. My experience, there were lots of Tesla chargers, Kettleman had 40 on one side of the road and another 40 on the other. Not a lot of EVGo or EA. One last thought, we used A Better Route Planner to double check stops and making sure we had an “amenities” stop on that route

@juanjoittindustrial Год назад

what a pain of a travel! thanks for the honest comments on the video , i fully anti EV's by now

@youandiryan Год назад

This is a great video and it shows what you can expect from EVs. I cannot afford an EV as they're out of reach for me at this time as for a load of other people. But at this point if something ever happened and I came across a lot of money I would probably get a Tesla. I think the rivian is much better and More beautiful of the vehicle than any Tesla. But the advantage to Tesla is the charging reliability and the fact they have chargers almost everywhere in North America now. All of these car companies are making EVS but none of them have deeply invested into charging infrastructure like Tesla has. I'm not a big Tesla fan but I will give them credit where it's due. They have worked very hard on their charging infrastructure and it puts them leagues ahead of everybody else

@joesmith9483 Год назад

you summed up the situation of electric cars. It's easy to live with the tesla on road trips.

@MadisonFalco 9 месяцев назад

This is why I chose a Tesla. I wanted a Rivian but I can’t deal with the lack of infrastructure at this point in my life I may be able to in 3 years though

@neoturfmasterMVS Год назад

I gotta ask, can you buy a Tesla adapter and charge at all of the Tesla Station? Is it that simple or I'm missing something?

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

No, Tesla don't allow it as of now. Also, no such adapter are for sale. What you have is the opposite, ie allow a Tesla vehicle to fast charge at a public fast charger.

@neoturfmasterMVS Год назад

@@callistoscali4344 Damn, this is good info to know and also disappointing. I guess the only good thing to say is Tesla doesn't have a truck which helps Rivian. Rivian gotta get there trucks charging on the Tesla network of chargers asap. Ask Elon and say please.

@sabregunner1 Год назад

If the tesla GUI is better, might be somethign that Rivian looks into to make better. What do you thing the reliability issue was due to?

@super_populr Год назад

it's "Tesla Is Better" not "Tesla Was Better"

@SegerGiesbers Год назад

You know he is referring to his former Tesla right?

@deprince_ Год назад

Why do people have an issue driving themselves these days ?

@jaywo4501 Год назад

I should of did a video of our similar experience with our Rivian from south FL to TN and back. Similar experience. We had zero issues going up there with EA, but returning on the sunday after thanksgiving (when everyone and their mothers were traveling) every charging station we got to was having issues. 6 stall units had 1 working, or non... Turned our 12 hr trip normally (done it many times in our Tesla) into 19 hrs. I'll never take the Rivian long distance again, or at least until they figure out a better charging network. Kinda crazy nobody is jumping on a new network before everyone.

@PumpUptheJam81 Год назад

Let’s hope EA’s new CEO will kick things into gear. He recently took a cross country trip in an IoniQ and experienced similar issues and even had to call tech support a few times. At any rate, all these other trash talking companies need to step up their game (Ford, looking at you!) and build a network instead of leaning on third party solutions. Rivian is trying to built their network out, but its a slow process. Thanks for taking the time to document this trip and subsequent heartaches!

@danquear4704 Год назад

I liked hearing the pickup start and leave without any issue. Maybe in the next decade ev’s will be useful.

@chartedtravel1776 Год назад

Maybe is a big stretch

@The_DuMont_Network Год назад

Buy a proper EV and you won't have these issues. I travel long distance in my Teslas and don't have this issue. No ICEVs for me again.

@mitchellbarnow1709 Год назад

You are awesome, Ryan! Tesla has really been building more and more large charging stops along major corridors and I’m hoping that they are preparing for an open network of sorts. I am a Tesla Model 3 owner, but my next car might be something else, especially with a great charging network.

@georgek203 Год назад

Why do you sit so far away from the steering wheel?

@MGMidget73 Год назад

When the purpose of the trip becomes trying to find charging and not the trip then it's a no go for me. Why throw more stress in your life. And if you run out of charge on the highway what do you do?

@stshuck2 Год назад

Thank you for this presentation. I’m going to cancel my Rivian RT1, fortunately I own Tesla model S, which has never let me down. I’ve taken my MS from the central coast of California up and into Oregon (twice) with no charging problems what’s so ever. The Tesla charging network makes road trips much more enjoyable.

@ryanchurch5864 Год назад

Thanks for this honest video- I can’t imagine supporting a company that cares so little about such an important issue- I wonder how Rivian justifies this policy of not providing a charging network-

@magarity12 Год назад

Not just them. Literally everyone but Tesla has no or almost no network.

@RSU-xb1pz Год назад

So glad I bought a tesla, the 3rd party charging network in the UK is bloody awful

@shredmas Год назад

I do a lot of road trips with my Chevy Bolt between Santa Rosa Portland and Reno and haven't had an issue but I choose to travel on weekdays since I'm retired. I have noticed the one time I did try to come back on a Saturday some of the chargers were full. Up here at a lot of the DC charger spots there is only one DC charger so I look on plug share or charge point and see if it's in use.. I also have the Tesla adapter for destination chargers and bring along my evse that has a 1450 nema plug as some of my friend's houses have 1450 outlets. It's not always nice to start a trip with 100%

@iowa_don Год назад

1:17 - That is why ABRP is so handy. You can specify the state of charge you want to arrive at your destination with.

@stevedowler2366 Год назад

Totally agree, I use ABRP even with the Tesla to map out different routes that would use other charge networks, although I've only used chargepoint for these cases.

@pharmatographist Год назад

Same

@johny1220 Год назад

14:34 holy shit that’s on par with gas prices man.. 😭

@lolamontez7712 Год назад

Might just be more expensive Cali prices for electricity. In Chicago it's $20 or under to charge a Tesla. Every once in a while it's a little over 20 if you have a completely empty battery

@lawrencefranck9417 Год назад

How close are you sitting to the steering wheel. Full nascar mode😂

@ScottDLR Год назад

I wonder if the local grid can't supply enough power to run all stations at max at the same time so it throttles it down.

@MakeAmericaPlumpAgain Год назад

$40 to charge 😮‍💨 that’s insane I supercharge here in Tennessee for like $11 at the most 🤣 I see why people are leaving cali

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

It is not suppose to be $40. He should pay for a $4 per month fee to get the discounted rate.

@pstoneking3418 Год назад

@@callistoscali4344 Yes at $.31/kwh his $49 bill would've been $29. Still too expensive for me. I'll just drive locally and charge at home .

@1slyboy Год назад

Tennessee has the Tennessee Valley Authority

@zelenizub2036 Год назад

@@pstoneking3418 even at that rate my nissan titan here in Ohio is more economical to drive.😱

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

@@zelenizub2036 You got to show the numbers. The Titan gets 16 to 21 mpg, so it is not very efficient.

@JamesBond-qv2ht Год назад

So if you’re foolish enough to buy a non-Tesla EV, don’t plan on any road trips because the charging networks stink. You did it, Mary.

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

It stinks for noobs, I agree, but if you are savvy, then you can manage. Tesla makes it idiot proof, but you pay much more for the car.

@omarsub6125 Год назад

That's what I'm saying..and I literally tell people that.

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

@@nobottee Leaf, Bolt, Kona, Niro, ID4, MachE, Ioniq, etc.

@mcay4255 Год назад

I’ve been charging my Tesla at Electrify America stations with my CCS adapter. Not much problems besides the occasional stall not working

@cappov Год назад

Oh my God, the indignity!!! He has to drive himself in HIS car 😂😂😂

@seprarep Год назад

RU-vid Channels like Kyles out of spec keep trying to prop up CCS and it’s a literal piece o crap! And now you should keep warning your audience that all but Tesla super charging is unreliable and miserable! There is nothing good to say about it . I have 51k miles having to use CCS because my company fleet sept wouldn’t choose Tesla . I’m in a Volvo XC40 recharge and CCS charging or trying to charge daily! It’s an absolutely frustrating miserable experience. Don’t walk away from CCS run!

@HarveyPayne Год назад

Kyle definitely shared both sides. I’ve seen several road trips where he has problems with CCS and calls it out. I actually ran into him at the Fully Charged event in San Diego where a rep from EA was talking about their new chargers that were replacing their current chargers. He told me he had already tried a new one and it had failed. I saw a video he posted later that mentioned that very thing, so he wasn’t just sharing that fact with me.

@logitech4873 Год назад

There's nothing wrong with the CCS standard. Tesla uses them in Europe.

@seprarep Год назад

In Northern California it is an epic fail! It’s inefficient, cables thick and unwieldy especidd as lily in cold climate . Poorly maintained by EA and chargepoint . I’d like to see a pole on how many love it and think it’s fantastic.

@seprarep Год назад

Especially in cold climate -

@logitech4873 Год назад

@@seprarep I haven't had any issues with the Tesla chargers in Norway, even in winter.

@bekind9668 Год назад

Tesla, more than just a car company 😊

@TheMilkMannnn Год назад

Does anyone know is there a reason the OEMS don’t just adopt the Tesla charger standard?

@callistoscali4344 Год назад

Tesla had a proprietary standard. They can't adopt it back then.

@Vizeroy9 Год назад

Glad that there are more non-tesla chargers here in Europe. The R1S wants you to take over before bridges and tunnels to avoid phantom braking - which is a common issue in these changing illumination situations.

@schlotdoglaser Год назад

Very good review. We will taking the same route to disneyland in the fall. I know that there are 2 RAN's (Rivian networks) on the way down.....1 in Sacramento and one in Manteca at the Bass Pro Shop. Even thoguh I do agree with your assesment on the state of chargers (EA mainly), I would never 100% rely on any one brand of charger. I have all the charger apps installed on my phone (ChargePoint, Shell Charge, Volta, EVGo, EA, ChargeHub. I also make sure I read station reviews before I leave to go somewhere and see what people said a day or 2 before I leave. My wife and I build into our trip a few extra hours for long trips and if I know I am getting a little low on electricity (20% or under), I will stop and charge up despite my vehicle telling me otherwise. Great video though and thanks for your dilligence in documenting.

@robertboudreauxxx Год назад

Just wait until Gavin orders a PSPs and you can't charge your car

@oisiaa Год назад

Yikes...I did practically the same trip in my 2018 Tesla Model 3 and my TOTAL charge time was 30 minutes and that included a top-off charge so I'd have 70% when I got to my destination.

@Gremlin256 Год назад

Hi Ryan, You bought a Rivian?

@degnarius Год назад

10:05. A Lucid with a range near 500 miles was charging to 100% for free because they can. That certainly doesn’t help with network congestion.

@Aqua-uq7ix Год назад

Yea, I'll just stick to the model Y

@DeputyNordburg Год назад

I've had a BMW i3 for about 5 years. The charging network on the East Coast was terrible and has recently improved to be " a little better". I have the REx back-up gasoline engine, and would not have purchased an EV without it then. Today, I'd only choose a Tesla as a pure EV. Your experience is a shame but is pretty consistent with my experiences on the East Coast. Broken chargers, slow chargers and more recently all working stalls full chargers.

@nafnaf0 Год назад

The real question is, would you do the trip again with the Rivian? Based on this and the experience from others, Tesla is the only brand I would consider for a BEV right now. Also $0.43/kWh is pretty expensive, getting close to the price of gas. I charge from home during the day at $0.04/kWh. My electricity is generated from clean nuclear power too.

@Bobpaule Год назад

One of the biggest problems I encountered since I got a CCS1 adapter for my Tesla is how many 250kW stations only pump out 50-60kW, this confirmed with Taycan, Mach-E, and EV6 owners charging next to me. Also I find the draconian handshake process a total PITA compared to the simple plug and play at Superchargers. Add poorly executed softwares like with ID.4 and it turns into a total nightmare for owners.

@Jimbow03 Год назад

I have an id4 now and have the same problems on road trips. I decided to get a Tesla for this reason. A.E. has major problems and I don’t want to deal with it anymore. Great video, it confirmed exactly how I feel every time I road trip. But it’s not the id4’s fault.

@graffix11us Год назад

Technically not the cars fault but since EA is owned by Volkswagen, it kind of is. All other EVs will struggle until Tesla opens up their SC network sadly. I still only recommend Tesla to anyone who asks about buying electric. From charging to software, overall efficiency and tech, Tesla has nailed all of these aspects. Buying anything else and you are settling for less.

@And1one757 Год назад

I got an id:4 pending to be delivered in the 4th qtr do you think it worth getting over a tesla only reason considered it id:4 offer 3yrs of free super charging

@chipsrafferty8362 Год назад

Love the diesel generators next to the charging station to be used when the power goes out,or am I mistaken?

@andreym325 Год назад

Those are transformers lol

@chipsrafferty8362 Год назад

@@andreym325 silly me,soooo,if the power goes out the transformers maintain the flow of electricity to the charging stations,thanks for the clarification Andy……LOL

@uplandg Год назад

I just did a similar trip to Sunnyvale Jin my Model Y this past weekend and was wondering how CCS equipped cars would do. This is just what I expected. Tesla network was uneventful. So easy and relatively quick. Too bad EA really did not build with the best materials and reliability in mind. Thank you for taking the trip with the Rivian for our education.