Rivian R1T Max vs Large Pack 10% EV Road Trip Challenge 

“normally we would be sideways, Jordan would crash into a curb” 😭😭👍 HAD ME ROLLING 😂

Mad props to Jason for lending his new truck out. That was a very generous thing to do.

Must be nice to have the only fully functional EA charging site in the entire country right there in Denver at your disposal.

As an additional data point my dual motor non-performance version with large pack also threw a motor fault within the first 300 miles of owing it. In my case it was the front motor that errored out, I pulled over and did a hard reset of the truck which cleared the fault and it hasn't come back (yet lol). I did call Rivian about the issue in order to get it on my truck history in case it does come back.

Plywood tonneau is known to cause slow charging in R1T with Max pack

I love your 10% range test. After reading countless charging articles and all the ways that various journalists rate charging, I think this test is the most realistic test on what you can expect when road tripping a car. When I look at the Google Docs chart, it gives a good picture on what you can expect. If a car goes further from 15 minutes of charging, then you're going to most likely spend less time charging on a road trip. It's pretty simple. This makes it really easy to compare vehicles. I can't wait until you can test the big 3 row SUVs. I would LOVE to see a test of the Kia EV9, Rivian R1S, and Tesla Model X. That would just be epic. Oh also, if you can get your hands on an Ioniq 6 SE long range, that would be amazing to see too. Thank you for your videos!

Great video guys! I love how much attention to detail you put in to make sure the tests are as accurate as possible. Also Kyle making the joke about the curb… 😂 Looking forward to the next video of the max range test.

Glad to see you doing 80mph tests finally. Much more realistic in highway scenarios for most poeple

Kyle does his stand ups the same way as the report in Starship Troopers. Haha. Great video.

The real winner here is the IONIQ 5 that arrives and charges in less time than it takes Kyle to do the intro.

I see a lot of people questioning the benefit of the added range after watching this video. For purposes of this test, you will not see the benefit. However, the same merits of additional range are applicable: if you are in an area with limited charging infrastructure, this allows you to go farther before needing to charge. If you stop for a longer meal that allows you to charge to 100%, you will again be provided more range. If you do not have a charger at home, this could allow you a few extra days of commuting to/from work before needing to charge again. If you are on a road trip and encounter inclement weather, you would not need to stop at a charger that is not protected from rain/snow b/c you could keep driving for an additional 60 miles before needing to stop and charge. Also, if vehicle to grid energy storage becomes an option with this vehicle, the chemistry change could provide a benefit of being able to power more of your home for a longer period of time in event of power outages. Whether or not such benefits are worth an additional $10k to a given individual remains the buyer's choice, but I think it's good to have options and it's good to see car manufacturers continue to find ways that enable batteries in EVs to do more for consumers.

So strange that this “Max” pack made it to market.

Your welcome to use mine if you need one. I live next door to Coleton's shop w/ the manual tonneau cover. 20's Quad

Thank You for supporting Electric Vehicles and for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste.. 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤

Merry Christmas Kyle and family and Co. Ty for the video

As a cyclist I can tell you that crosswind out and back will make you slower for the same power, or more tired for the same speed, every time, both ways. At 80 mph the 10-20 mph typical wind of course hurts less than on a human powered vehicle going 20 mph.

Great Video,Happy Christmas Guys👍😉💪

Oh yes!! I thought I forgot something!! Merry Christmas and happy New Year!!

Ideally i wish you had a quad motor large pack in the mix too

Please add back and update the spreadsheet with all the cars you tested!! It hasn’t been in the description for a few of these videos or been updated recently, please bring it back it was helpful!

Nice test. Please link the Google spreadsheet in the description, it’s a good tool to compare them.

Merry Christmas!

Great video !

Greetings from Colorado Springs. Back in the day, I did new vehicle testing on Pikes Peak, off road on front range, I25 and highway 24 known as the loop and King of the Mountain testing.

Can’t wait for cybertruck videos

Flat roads, nice weather in the winter…. Just come to FL to do these tests!!! I’m sure we can find you some RIVIAN loaners for the day

Great video. Did a road trip from Norcal to Sedona and back in my quad motor R1T in October and averaged 2 miles per KWh on 20" AT tires. That was driving 80-85 on the freeway with 4 people and luggage. It's a great road tripper.

great scent experiment

The challenge of legends.

Great video...thanks for all you are doing. More and more, the Max Pack does not look great.

Curious what the respective cell level energy densities are. Did they cheap out with the Large pack and get something well under the industry standard? Or the cheaper and safer option that won't burn a hole to inner earth when lit?

Merry Christmas to you all at OOS and OOSD - would love to know if Rivian ever intends to ship RHD versions to the U.K. / Australia and the other RHD markets.

According to the EPA, the large pack has a highway MPGe of 74 and the max pack is 77. So the max pack should have been about 4% more efficient on the highway. The overall MPGe for the large pack is 78 and for the max pack it's 84 so with a mix of city and highway the EPA estimates the max pack to be about 8% more efficient.

Thanks, Kyle. This should be fun test! Do we know what the chemistry change was? I know that the new NCMA chemistry developed by GM-LG was making its way into 2170 cells, so I wonder whether that happened here. Cell energy density would go from ~250 Wh/kg with NCM to ~300 Wh/kg with NCMA.

Will these results be added to the spreadsheet?

"Jordan would crash into a curb" ouch…merry Xmas.

You gotta hit continue!

You guys should update the 10% spreadsheet and post in the description!

Nice vehicle!! But the problem is that it ain’t available here on the other side of the ‘Pond’!! I’m in England and have never seen one of these in England!!

What are the different chemistries for the different rivian r1t battery packs? Can't seem to find an answer online other than saying all rivian batteries are lfp not sure if this is true.

Was it a difference in cost for the charge?

Since Rivian advertises them as off road camping vehicles, could y’all do a test on battery loss when parked for a week in the winter?

World be awesome to do identical test in winter conditions with way below freezing temps.

So this is more of a test about efficiency rather than testing how much further a max pack can go on a long road trip. Thus, providing both with the same amount of juice. The more efficient truck will travel further. However, the test that matters is, how much further can you really go on a full charge. How much longer does it take to charge back up the max pack versus the large pack. Do you gain enough by being able to go further and stop fewer times with the max pack to offset having to stop more times with the large pack, but likely not charging for as long at each stop since the battery capacity is lower. I’ll be looking forward to that type of test. Hence, how long does it take each truck to complete an 800 mile trip? Does the max pack offer any real world benefit in that respect?

Have you got a Cybertruck for testing?

What is the use case for getting the Max Pack? It seems like it will only help you on the first leg of a road trip where you are going 100% down to almost empty. Otherwise it doesn’t seem very useful.

I would like to see the new Tesla Model Y RWD run the 10% challenge. With it's single motor and some other decontent, should be lower weight than the dual motor or long range, and reportedly has the faster charging, lower weight 2170 battery.

Soooo....you pay the $!0K extra, get a bit of extra initial range (but leave more on the table as 10% is more), charge not a lot faster in mph and after a 15 minute stop you can drive the same again? Time advantage over a mid distance trip...15 minutes, over a day long trip...5 minutes? No minutes?

Great test. Would love to see a test with two identical cars in cold weather and compare one car with precondition and another without.

I’m sure rivian is being conservative with the max pack because it is brand new Once they get some data and experience they’ll have the confidence to lower the safety margins Redo the test in a few months and the max pack will for sure perform better

As an Australian, American road speeds are insane. If you went at 80 miles an hour on a highway here you would lose your licence for years instantly.

If the Cybertruck charging videos you've seen are from the factory, those batteries are not preconditioned. The factory appears in the background of the picture. If there are real world tests, I haven't seen them yet.

The $10k upgrade for the Max pack now seem like a dubious upgrade for those who road trip more. Perhaps that extra ~60mi maybe worthwhile for those who tow or go the extra mile, but kind of disappointing. A shame the original promised 180 kWh max pack didn't come to fruition.

very curious has,, ea stations become more reliable?? ,,not hearing much about ea anymore one way or other

What’s the code for service mode?

It probably would be more interesting if the charging curve is different. Does the Max Pack sustain a higher charge rate for longer? If so then it could be more useful on road trips than just the initial charge. Still not worth the increase price to me, but to each their own.

The 15 minute charge vid was 25 minutes edited down 😀

When are Rivian switching to nacs?

And ambient temperatures plays a MAJOR role in range. At 40 degrees ambient temperature I lost 40 miles range at 100% charge. This has been constant with ev6 gt Ioniq 6 AWD and Kia Niro wave. Hot weather increase charging times and cold weather decreases range.

Kyle plz get a hummer suv and do this test

“No one does that in the real world.” - I hear you say after I did multiple 0-100-0 charge-drive legs a month ago during a trip towing with my Rivian. 😆 (Yeah, a couple of those long stretches without charging had some major pucker-factor.)

So one of them cost $18 vs $25 to charge?

Different tyre pressures on the trucks? 50 on Jordan's. 47 on Kyle's.

$29 for 20 percent worth of charge?

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Can you please add kilometre metrics in the video?

For that kind of vehicles must be used Solid State Battery with capacity at least 140kWh

Awesome test comparison, looks 10 k is a bust on this test and not worth the extra money.

In virture signaling poker, is it a more virtuous hand to have a pair electric trucks on the drive, or a S3X flush of Teslas?

INMO. Not worth the $10,000 additional for the MAX Pack.

Kyle, what’s up with your phone? It seems to have an issue with stabilization as you often see green bars at the bottom with large movements. Jordan’s phone actually looks better overall as well. I know you were having phone problems, so good luck!

Wow that comment about Jordan and the curb was mean. Lol.

Looks like charging curve in max pack is best from 20 to 80 percent. So maybe a comparison with both trucks charging from 20 to 80 percent and then take a road trip doing that? Max might start to make a lot more sense in that real world type experiment. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rQlZ-5BuixQ.htmlsi=untCjnLb0khyUttU

See InsideEVs story from 12/26: "Rivian R1T Owner Says His Truck Has Been Out For Repairs For Eight Months for a damaged side camera"

What I'd really like to see is a real world range test between a dual motor and a quad motor running in conserve mode. Surprises me no one has done that yet. At least that I can find

I have the (current) "worst case" Rivian, Large Pack, Quad Motor, 20" wheels w/ AT tires. I even have the underbody reinforcement for a little extra vehicle weight. And I tow with it. My old 28' trailer, my new 18' trailer, a small boat trailer, a small cargo trailer (made from the 8' bed of an old pickup.) I have 18,000 miles on it, and by my best estimate, half of those miles are towing. You'd think I'd be the perfect target for the Max Pack. But for only ~50 more miles when towing? And realistically only "40 miles per normal road trip charge session"? Not worth it. Even if they offered me pre-price-increase pricing and 100%-original-purchase-price trade-in. Now, if they did like the originally-planned† case where the Max Pack was a physically larger pack? *THEN* add in the increased-density-chemistry and more efficient motors? Where it might be 450-500 miles base range? That might interest me. Maybe in 4-6 years when I'll be ready for replacement they'll have that. (And the NACS transition is well and firmly done with a majority of even non-Tesla DC charge stations mostly NACS.) † The R1T has a longer wheelbase than the R1S. In the R1S, the battery pack fills the whole space between the axles. In the R1T, there is empty space, basically the exact size of two of the Rivian's battery sub-modules. (The pack has 8 sub-modules.) When originally announced, the R1S wasn't supposed to get the Max Pack at all, it would be an R1T exclusive. The R1T Max was supposed to have 25% more range than Large, and 10 modules is a 25% increase in modules. While Rivian never specifically said Max Pack would be the physically larger pack that fills the extra space between the axles, it was rather obvious that was what was intended. Instead, "Max Pack" achieves the 20% increase in range over the original Large Pack partly by moving to the more efficient dual-motor setup, and partly via a slight bump in battery density on the same size pack.Which is why the dual-motor Large pack is already about a 7% increase in range over quad Large. And the Max Pack only 16% more on the same powertrain. Which is _also_ why Rivian only offers Max on the more efficient dual-motor. Because it wouldn't be able to hit the promised 400 mile range on the less efficient quad motor.

If this were TFLEV they would add a cyber truck with a parachute.

Conclusion: buy the smallest pack.

What about the people who don't drive that fast and would have greater range.

45 minute video to say the range was nearly identical?

The fact that you hold your phones to record while driving drivings me irrationally crazy. There has to be a safer way

25 minutes of preamble before you event start the trip. that is waaay too much preamble. :(

is there kyle's phone number being leaked on video? maybe blur it?

I do not drive over 65 mph!

Why wouldn’t they be the same in this test? You aren’t testing anything that would be different between the two unless you test total range. The whole point is you get more range on a full charge with Max Pack - beyond that for shorter trip like this of course they are identical.

Until all evs have nacs built into them, it's only tesla for me.

I hope that clear shot of a phone number wasn't anyone important.

Jordan the plaid wrecker lol

My god you talk so much and say so little

I wish they would build something cheaper for the poors.

And for some reason all manufacturers are cutting back EV production currently,why waste the time buying one right now?

Come to Las Vegas. Let me know if you can find just One charger over 48kw. I don’t care where in vegas or Henderson but it’s got to be working. Bet you can’t. Most are maxed at 6.8kw. A tad better than home AC charging.if Any one wants to buy an EV Las Vegas is the place to buy. Dealers can’t give them away because there is no where to charge them.

Lol this basically proved that the max pack is worthless

Just a little constructive criticism, please stop calling these real world test especially if you are going to complain about someone else on the road messing up your test. It’s not that what you’re testing isn’t interesting or informative but this isn’t even close to being real world. If you really wanted to do a real world test it would be during the day, you wouldn’t care about wind, you would do it in such a way that you do at minimum two charging stops & if there’s traffic all the better because guess what, in the real world all of those things apply. What that’s test are is as scientifically as possible not being on a closed track but it isn’t real.

What Kyle needs to do is make videos NOT highlighting the .01% of locations that have the worlds greatest chargers. Instead Kyle needs to focus on 99.98% of the country that has no charging. He and his videos are painting a picture of owning a EV that simply NOT true. And his inaccurate content could prod someone into EV purchase only to have them to discover the pure hell they will actually experience in the real world when they can not charge the damn thing. Even the CEO of ford last week drove the pickup EV from i believe san Diego to here in vegas. Publish his response… it was “rough”. It was a disaster. Come on Kyle show us the truth in 99.98% of geographically locations. Your not to far from vegas. Come on down and experience the reality of charging..

Anyone that takes an EV on a road trip has a screw loose. And I charge my Ioniq 6 to 100% every night. There is NO worry of battery degradation because in six months when this battery technology is outdated you get a new EV.

"Allegedly"