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If he started with 280 miles of range and had 206 miles of range left that's only 26% used; basically a quarter. He'll also get some regeneration on the way down the mountain.
The rivian underneath reminds me of the humvee with no low hanging diff. That thing has such crazy ground clearance! Haha I have to admit it is really starting to grow on me. Great vid guys
Think Citroen's DS with AWD just the Rivian doesnt have the aerodynamics but thats the next step in Trucks ...if you are serious about keeping them and using them everyday. Big high square fronts are bad news left overs from ICE engines and actually bad news offroad as you cannot see over the ridiculously long and high front. The Rivians tech and skateboard chassis can fitted to any body shape. On the Rivian Drop your tyre pressures ...and set it to rock crawler ... Slowly slowly.. but better fit snow chains or ropes. A simple screen showing wheel grip /slip display or sound effect would help keep the driver informed about slip v grip... Low speed 4 wheel steer activation might also move the Rivian away from a hazard when slippage puts it hard up a against a threat or ice step in front of its wheel. Once your on wet ice ...ordinary tyre grip and ABS are an illusion ive seen vehicles reversed of a drive onto an ice covered hill road and the vehicle slide sideways top to bottom. 😬 Only ice spikes work ....sort of.🤞🏼but once a slide begins gravity takes over from available friction.
@@landonmorel3715 Thats a problem with all modern high end vehicles, Its one along with the supply of materials and over sophistication that will be the undoing of the personal Car/Truck market. A bit like the mobile phone/IT market....and thats no longer acceptable design behaviour globally.🤷🏻♂️
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 The reason trucks have the monoblock front grill design is partly focus groups but mostly pedestrian crash rules. In the 80s and 90s mfrs were moving towards more aerodynamic noses and overall designs. Cars had significantly more aero designs with lower noses also. Then regulators complained of pedestrian safety, and focus groups said the trucks were looking car-like. The nose design has very little to do with ICE limitations.
That's why I watch TFL. They are living my dream. I wouldn't watch a channel to see a fat guy in a sweet Ram 1500 Bighorn go back and forth to work and never go off road
That Rivian is very impressive on the rocks and snow out there in Colorado and to think it will outrun most sports cars on the drag strip too is amazing!
@@drewfeld836 who knows, maybe in the future there will be. And if they truly start shipping their 400+ mile battery pack, they won’t really be necessary.
Tires flex when loaded. If you're going to measure a tire's overall diameter, you'll get a closer measurement if you measure horizontally rather than vertically. You're getting a smaller measurement because the loaded part of the tire has squished down.
I've seen quite a few R1T's out here in California, and I'm always surprised by how much smaller they look in real life. Definitely more towards mid-size than a full sized truck. edit: Wow, what a coincidence. I was running through my town and saw a brand new R1T parked, and just around a corner was an F150. It is WAY smaller than the F150.
God, just a 100 foot dirt road at 40 psig is horrible. They could easily get a pain free system to air back up. Takes me like 2 minutes with my CO2 system to go from 20 to 37 psig.
There’s been plenty of videos with Roman and Andre. Not sure what you are talking about here, also Nathan isn’t in the video so the original team isn’t even in the video
fr, this exact tundra with better tires, or just the stock trd pro, would do great on this terrain. they’re expecting it to behave like a baja truck without even putting the right tires. but either way, both trucks are great, id go for the tundra tho
The Rivian is using EV rated all terrains to keep rolling resistance as low as possible to preserve it's range. With those tires it's range is 10-15% less than a Rivian on street tires. I fear that putting on more aggressive tires will really hurt range significantly. Still... the RT1 is impressive so far.
Yup, but range issue. Everything I would mod to make it better offroad I suspect about 230 miles max range. Of course you’ll probably charge to about 90%. So I’ll likely have a bit 200 miles of range. Probably actually less cause I live by the Sammy Hagar principle- and it’s mountain interstates to get to my offroad spots. Then I’ll have to deal with the range degradation from offroading. Just not practical for me.
My experience with snowflake rated AT tires is that they're for sure all a step below "real" winter tires. Still surprised that in the snow belt you aren't installing true winter tires on your own fleet. I get the press vehicles are on what they're on...
They don't install anything on any vehicles unless it's specifically a build rig, like when they were going to do the trans-America offroad series. Everything that they do is OEM standard testing to make it fair. If they did snow tires, why wouldn't they just put K02s on everything? Because it's not representative of what the Manufacturers sell.
@@threepac possibly. In my Canadian snowy neck of the woods, snow tires are the norm. All seasons are the minority. There's usually a insurance discount as well. In fact in two pronvinces, snow tires are mandatory. In some provinces snow tires are the difference between life and death.
@@calmic75 You should have seen how hilarious Toronto was on Jan 17th during the 2ish feet of snow we got. People with All Season tires couldn't go anywhere for a few days and they were getting stuck everywhere, even on the smallest hills. Meanwhile, I was bombing around just fine with my snow tires. I grew up 5 hours north so it's habit to invest in Snows. Anyone with All Seasons wouldn't last long without them each winter. I was passing stuck Trucks, SUVs, Busses and cars all day without issues lol.
As a person who suffer with Tourette’s like Andre. it so nice to see Andre review the rivian. The fact he puts himself out there does so much to help normalize those of us who are neurological different. Really gives me the courage to get back out and maybe date. Cheers mate!
A compliant ride gives more traction than a stiff ride. Andre, get out of that 15" rock crawl mode down to 13.1". Still better ground clearance as the tundra...
I don't think the lower ride height setting would allow more wheel travel/shock travel. I think the rock setting simply sets the truck up with more clearance beneath, but the suspension articulates the same as the standard setting. So no particular improvement, except clearance.
Messing around in a touch screen to engage 4WD makes me appreciate the traditional 4WD system. Buttons, nobs, switches, levers is where it's at. Leave the touch screen for Bluetooth, road maps, and the radio.
Personally, I'd rather be old school mechanical everything (hubs, lever), or full electronic (including the drive system) like the Rivian. The push-button actuated mechanical 4wd seems the least certain to me.
TFL crew: You mentioned it in passing at the end but could you spend sometime talking about range? What was your planning considerations? You mentioned that the Rivian used about 1/3 of the charge and Toyota burned through about 1/4 of the gas on top of the hill, but what was the state of charge on the bottom of the hill after for both vehicles? Did the Rivian gain range on the way down?
@@andyd5492 They said they both started full so, 280 was likely the initial estimated range on the computer. So, with 206 left, it's just under 1/3 of the potential range used.
@@jamesbeaman6337 Again, they said both trucks started full. For the Rivian, with a full charge, the potential range is 314 miles, so 206 is roughly 1/3 the consumption. What would be best to know is the battery percentage, just like you'd want to know the fuel level. Is the computer just estimating 206 miles, or did it actually go through 1/3 the battery charge. That's what I would want to know, not the vehicle's computer estimates.
The Rivian has amazing clearance, approach & departure angles. I love the way they built this thing. It makes the Tundra look behind the times which is a brand new model too.
The tundra is not really designed as a true off-roader It's an on-road pickup truck with some tires and a little suspension mods. The Rivian is definitely built to be an off-roader. One concern for me would be what happens when you come down on a pointy rock in the middle of the battery pack? Tesla Model 3 that I saw on a dash cam video recently ran over a sharp rock on the interstate about the size of your fist. Car in front of him hit it it tumbled and it just bounced down the bottom of his Tesla Model 3. Punctured the battery pack in some way, or caused some kind of damage, the car was still drivable. But it gave him a battery warning light, he took it to Tesla they said it needed an entire new pack and his insurance company wrote off the car. I would hope Rivian put some significant armor on the bottom of it.
Like several comments below, I would love to know more about the battery consumption (% charge) and range (miles), both to the test site, while at the test site, and home. All the testing you are doing to prove it is 'truck' worthy, we know it is, the issue for me on the all EV is can it work for a normal person that currently uses a truck. Off-road typically requires driving someone (with gear) then hitting the dirt/rock/mud/snow and playing, then returning home. For the R1T that needs to be capable without the 'gear' being a generator.
The more I see of the Rivian R1T, the more I like it. I hope they sell enough that they can make enough money to work on bringing the price down to a point that is more affordable for the average person.
Yea, I hope they also come down in price, but if you think about what you're getting it's quite a bargain. You're getting supercar acceleration levels with awesome offroad ability in a truck that costs less (R1T Explore Package $60K after $7500 tax credits) than a Tesla Model Y Performance ($64k). Rivian also beat the Model Y Performance on their drag tests. So for what you're getting, it's a pretty good value, but I do wish it was cheaper, so I can jump into one too, hahaha.
Those pirelli's look like they're holding a lot of psi. Both trucks would likely do better with dedicated off road tires of course but in this case at least de-flate a bit.
I wonder how the Rivian compares size wise to a full-size truck from the 90s or 00s. It looks closer to a normal truck than the modern full size ones with cartoonish proportions.
@@85bigGMC yeah, that's how silly big trucks have become! Every once in a while I will see an old Datsun or VW truck at a car show and they look like a miniature next to current full size trucks. A '95 f150 had 197-235" length and 71" height, under 4k pounds vs the rivian at 200-217"l, ~77"h and 7100lbs
Yes watching him slip constantly approaching the staircase in the Tundra I was thinking the exact same thing. I pass people with "M&S" tires in 4wd/awd vehicles in winter in my RWD Model 3 with proper studded winter tires every year on my steep side road to my house.
I'm in Canada and over the years I've done plenty of off roading in all kinds of snow conditions and with well equipped ½ tons with very good to very aggressive rubber. Looking at this video I got the feeling the conditions were such that any vehicle would have struggled. The Rivian had the better tires (not the best) and the drivers were leaning heavy on the side of caution (I get it for whatever) but what was missing was information as to temperature, relative humidity and the age of the snow. Regardless, these conditions max out the vehicles abilities. Chains on all four tires would have made this a walk in the park, for both machines. All things considered, I was still a little surprised. I thought the Rivian would have been way ahead of the Toyota but it seemed to struggle a bit more than it should have. Enjoyed the video ! Thanks guys and stay safe.
Would have loved to see the bronco in this test as well. I know the territory m/t is not three peak rated but want to see how they do in the deep stuff
True. Only the fact that once this overhyped pos runs out of juice it's going to cost you a fortune to recover it out of the wilderness. Evs are a fad . The ICE isn't going anywhere anytime soon
@@AmmarMalik nope. When people start to realize that evs are simply cost ineffective, unreliable and all hype being pushed by "environmentalists" through government regulations, they will go the way of the dodo bird.
@@Welcometofacsistube what ive heard and seen so far its about the same cost or the EV a bit more expensive to run ,and the EV will only get more expensive down the road. Ill keep my v8 many years
I did the same thing just the other day in for high and got stuck. I changed it to deep snow and it cruised right through it no problem. I love that it has the option to stop the braking of each wheel
I personally have been experiencing the same issue with my AT snow rated tires. I really don't understand why manufacturers are being allowed to put the snow flake on non dedicated snow tires because as far as I can tell all AT tires will suck butt once you have to start dealing with ice which is the main reason why I would buy a tire that is severe snow rated. It's a night a day difference for me going in the snow with my Blizzaks on and off road.
Yup, almost stuck the Falken ATW3 on my 4runner, but doing some reading it seems like getting into any "real" snow and especially cold snow, the Blizzaks just kick the AT tire's butt. I'd say any place that has real winter to get real snow tires for sure.
@@michalp2362 I went thru snow that was 2.5 ft deep with no issues on my ATs. Obviously actual snow rated tires will do better but to say all ATs are garbage in the snow says more about your driving ability than the tires
@@adventureswithbear your probably did it in some kind of off road situation with fresh fluffy snow. However, all AT tires suck in on-road winter conditions with their poor directional and braking performance especially at higher speeds
Heya TFL Crew. LOVING the new videos. It was super fun to run into Andre this morning and say hello. The R1T continues to impress. The breakover angles really helped on that staircase test. Can't wait for the Ike Gauntlet video!
I drive in these or even worse conditions weekly in northern norway during winter with my Land cruiser prado on studded winter tires. It does that with ease.
They said both were full, so 280 is likely the estimated range on the computer. At 208, that is roughly 1/3 the potential range. What would be best to know is the battery percentage, just like a fuel tank. If it used 1/3 the battery or not, that's what I would want to know.
Love the coverage your giving the Rivian. 2 things that probably would have made a big difference on these tests: better tires on the tundra and lower tire pressures on both. Interesting to see the limitations of the Rivian.
The problem with the Rivian's suspension is that at full ride height it's super stiff, because you're essentially lifting it up with pressurized air. There's a lot more travel at lower suspension settings but then you lose ground clearance. For a proper off-road setup you'd want fixed-height coilovers but unfortunately it would be very difficult to do suspension mods on the Rivian due to its proprietary setup.
I imagine that If the TFL guys actually managed to trash his wheels, Rivian would replace it. I mean he really is taking one for the company. Chad clearly believes.
Nice vid! Roman sure needs to show his veteran ability to drive. Feels like he can be selective on how he drives or measures to get the result he wants either positive or negative ....Andre is most definitely more wholesome and seems more trustworthy in his analysis
Would the Rivian be better in a lower suspension setting to give it more articulation? Maxed out like that it's like taking a 3/4 ton off road. Too stiff to find traction.
Yeah that was my initial concern with the air suspension. When it's at full ride height it's super stiff with no flex, which is the opposite of what you want when you're off-roading. But then if you bring it down you lose ground clearance. To date I don't know of any electric rigs with coilover suspension and it doesn't seem like you can do much in the way of modding to the Rivian.
@@stephenj4937 the 6' bed crew cab has a longer wheelbase though. Makes up a very small percentage of tacoma sales since most people go for a full size at that point.
The Rivian truck actually has a cool unknown feature where if you drive fast enough towards a 2' deep snow bog, the Rivian will go into "sled mode" where you just slide along the top of the snow on the perfectly smooth underside
So at my local gas vs electric cost, their adventure would have cost me about $40 in the Tundra vs about $5 in the Rivian. (Rough calculations based on their 1/4 tank vs 1/3 battery capacity estimates).
Divide 206 by 280 and you actually are at about 1/4 of the charge. They were just winging the guestimate on the fly but that makes your electric cost even better. Sweet! :)
What is the tank size on the Tundra? Even if were a large capacity tank, it would only cost you about $25-$30 to fill up with the nation average price for fuel. So, either you pay an unholy amount for fuel, or your numbers are off.
@@cypvh74 The Tundra most definitely does not have a 38 gallon tank. The standard capacity is 22 gallons, but I believe there is an optional larger tank. But again, it is not 38 gallons.
Careful on the ice. I'm glad to see you both made it up safe. I wonder how much $ it costs to own a trd vs Rivian long term; gasoline vs Energy costs, ect.. Cheers Guys!!
The Rivian R1T will get 74mpge city 66mpge highway and do 314miles on a full charge, you can figure cost saves from those numbers. Note: the numbers are from the EPA not Rivian.
My Audi EV changes pitch when I accelerate. That feature might give Andre the feedback he was looking for to replace the sound of a reving engine. Rivian should be able to implement something similar with an over the air update.
I believe in 2 factors on off roading. You have got to know your trucks capabilities. And also tires... tires...tires. Need the right tires for the terrain you are going to tackle. Both these trucks are awesome, but have the wrong tires for this obstacle. Thank you for the good work and great videos.
Curious if you can put chains on the Rivian? You guys were on ice, not snow, chains would have made that easy, but is there enough clearance on the back of the tires with the motors to allow chains?
Isn’t this, at the end of the day, really about the tires? Or even if chains are required? Seems like neither truck was taxed other than whether it’s tires could keep traction Maybe a cool episode would be to do this test and then head down to the tire shop, change for the best snow tires possible, and then come back and repeat it?
Roman talking about cost of $56K gas guzzlers while backhandedly talking about Rivian launch edition being $77K. Yet, no mention of the Rivian having $7,500 tax rebate(which ends up being a check for most tax filers), nor that most people will save $300-500 per month getting off the gas of a truck like the Tundra (and that does factor in your electric bill going up $50-100 monthly). $3,000-$6000 a year adds up quickly, fellas!
The Rivian actually used a lot less range in miles. Remember total range for the tundra is well over 600. The Rivian doesn’t have to rev and doesn’t do as much idling or useless wheel spin.
That rear suspension is crazy cool! Can you elaborate more on the linkage engineering? 8:15. Looks like 7-8 link suspension per wheel. Nice truck and great review. It would have been smart of Rivian to have given TFL a truck early on, to showcase its ability. Maybe they learned their lesson, and will give you access more trucks as they come out.
