Another well-researched video as always. I am always startled at the lack of publicity and acceptance the Lechmere theory has received. He is the only convincing suspect. By the way, those animations of Lechmere are terrifying. They sent shivers down my spine.
They'd rather more far fetched flamboyant suspects like Tumblety, Druitt, Sickert, Royal conspiracy etc. They don't want 'their' Ripper to be nondescript/mundane like Sutcliffe, Ridgway, Rader etc.
Paul could of been hiding in plain sight lechmere said he didn't hear Paul 2 he was upon him or he could of doubled back all I am suggesting is if it could b lechmere it could also b Paul 4 what it's worth I don't believe it's either
Well done, Mr. Stow! I sure do appreciate your methodical approach to this case, addressing every possible angle and detail as you go, leaving no stones unturned. The lessons of your work go well beyond Ripperology - they provide an ironclad template across a wide spectrum of disciplines.
Ripperology seems to be more about keeping the mystery alive than solving the case. Lechmere is by far the best suspect, literally everything fits. Some Ripperologists might not like that.
If the Lechmere theory received enough publicity, the mystery of Jack the Ripper would cease to exist. It is in the interest of "Ripperoligists" to perpetuate the mystery and the idea of "unsolved murders".
Those 3D renderings are very nice feature. I've been a supporter of the Lechmere theory since I saw Holmgren's documentary years ago. Love your channel!
You may wish to watch that video again. Look at the timings it gives. Here is one of 30 inaccuracies found in the Missing Evidence Video, yes at least 30 in a 48 mins show... narrator - Just 15 mins before Polly Nicholls was killed a Policeman passes through on his regular beat. (Animation clearly shows 3:15am: All is quiet) So the documentary is telling us Polly Nichols was killed at 3:30am. However later in the video we get… Christer - He left home AT 3:30am Surely the video has just given Lechmere an alibi, he can’t have left home at 3:30 and be in Bucks Row killing at 3:30. These are the documentaries timings not mine. Case dismissed your honour!
We only have Lechmere's word about the time he left home for work. He could have left at 2am for all we know. She was killed at 345 not 330. This is confirmed due to the doctors timing and the fact that the injuries to neck will have pooled around her neck quickly and death followed in a matter of a few minutes, maybe 5. There were faint signs of life at 345 by Robert Paul so would have been long dead if killed at 330.This is confirmed by an eminent pathologist fron Christer Holmgren"s film.
I think there was 2 timings where Lechmere was said to have left home? 3 20am and 3 30am. The missing evidence documentary gave him the benefit of the doubt and went with 3 30am. My guess was a lot earlier then the 2 said timings? If Lechmere was the murderer he was on the prowl on the Whitechapel rd were he probably picked up Polly, then headed back to Bucks Row. The case has never been closed because Lechmere was never fully investigated your Honour.
Not exactly true. Lechmere was first, but he was not seen by Paul stooping over the body. By the time Robert Paul first saw him, Lechmere was standing in the street a little ways from where Mary Nichols was lying, and coming towards him. Paul initially feared that he was about to be mugged! The area was known for muggings. He tried to avoid Lechmere but Lechmere intercepted him and asked him to come have a look at the woman. My inference is that something about Lechmere’s manner convinced Paul that he was genuinely concerned, so he did as Lechmere asked.
@@brianbommarito3376kind of seems like he was doing damage control. Trying to appear to not be a suspect. But to be fair if you come upon a body and you know you had nothing to do with it. You might associate anyone nearby as guilty just in case.
Process all the information one piece at a time, and what if this was a staged crime scene? No noise, no sounds of running boots on the cobles :etc.? Why the Canonical 5 is that because they only staged 5? Canon/ical/5 ical means pertaining to? Canon,Anon,Coann, Conan ? Possible names, maybe ? I think that this case has been covered up my opinions no facts. Please fact-check
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One thing that always sticks with me is just how dark these streets would have been. I've seen reconstructions of the lighting and it really bears no resemblance to what we're accustomed to today. Although heaving with life during daytime and pub opening hours I have a notion that these streets would only have been walked by folk going to work early (or returning from work), coppers and sex workers. Which sort of bears out.
The journalist George Sims said it would have been a very brazen act to commit such a crime in Bucks Row...even in 1888 at that time of morning. This is just a stone's throw from the royal London hospital .
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@@seankinnane12 Pretty much all of the Whitechapel murders were brazen as all heck! The sheer, crazy hairs-breadth timing has always stunned me. George Sims is not wrong.
Always enjoy your videos though the pace has seemingly gotten faster. Watching this at 0.75 speed was like equal to the normal speed of your old videos.
Nothing adds up? It's easy to speak the truth, but it's harder to hide behind a lie ?see if things fit better if it was possible that the crime scene could have been staged ? Re:The blood-stained rag found at one of the crime scenes ,one person the same route every day, nobody seems to know each other? No noise? You only need a blooded rag to mark the scene? And two good people who can stick to the script ?hmm, my thoughts no facts?
That there was an inattentive PC 50 yards from the crime scene, and away from the direction of Paul and Lechmere, does give rise to another potential suspect. That PC. The most compelling evidence against Lechmere is not the location data, though that is very good for not ruling him out, but, according to Paul's testimony, he saw no blood on the deceased, and yet a couple minutes later, there is a large pool of blood and her throat is slit ear to ear. This means there is a tiny, maybe 2 minute window, between Paul reviewing the body and the neck being slit. It's not as if they were there for 10 seconds alone with the body. Adding up the time Paul saw Lechmere, they walked to the body, checked on the body, pulled her clothes down, talked about being late, and left, even 60 seconds would be short. In terms of just blood, one of those two is very likely involved, and the one alone with the body is the more likely person. But, 50 yards could be travelled easily. If the PC 50 yards away, was the killer, was interrupted and then walked to his post, he is one of the only other people who physically could be involved in the murder. Any killer would have to have method to get off the streets, and that be within around 100 yards, or be Lechmere or Paul. If Lechmere and Paul were innocent, and they saw even a glimpse of someone up ahead, and now they would be looking for someone and be wary, as opposed to just walking to work, they would have raised an alarm. Any other potential suspect would have to have a safe place to retreat to within a very short distance. Lechmere is still my primary suspect, but the railway PC could be significant.
Well it still happens to this day, the officer here in Australia that just killed the two men, some love triangle, and many others all over the world, he would have to be able to either not have gotten any blood on himself though or, made sure he came into contact with her quickly, I don't know the workings of it, but wouldn't blood spray 🥶 if you go for the throat, I agree with you about lechmere too 👍.
I wonder how "inattentive " that PC was because anyone regularly passing by that way would gave had a good idea as well as a big motive to escape that way on the night?
I don't know that he was inattentive. The fact that he said he heard nothing and didn't see the two carmen walk past doesn't necessarily mean he was inattentive . He may have been patrolling the yard. Yes he could have murdered Polly given the time frame. But he wouldn't have been able to excuse himself to get to the other crime scenes.
Brilliant breakdown on how Paul and Charles couldn't have been collaborators. As you say, why would one grass the other. Sound and simple logic really.
Narcissistic behaviour , especially if it was Paul who was the Ripper where he would be trying to put the finger towards someone else...if that was the case
Definitely wasn’t Robert Paul. He would’ve had to find a way to back-track on Buck’s Row, get behind Lechmere, without Lechmere knowing it, and then come back to pretend he was the second man to the scene. To me, it’s much more believable that Lechmere was the killer and actually pretended to find the body for Paul’s benefit.
Have been wondering about if a case could be made for Paul being the perp, doubling back, et cetera. Largely as an exercise in being Devil's Advocate - you've made a very strong case for Lechmere - to cover all bases.
I did a similar devils advocate and funny enough it was just a short time before this video and Ed does not like me standing up against his precious Lechmere theory so now we have this video as a rebuttal. However instead of watching the video and thinking it makes a strong case you are welcome to use some fairly simple maths to show what a complete load of biased rubbish this video is... Regarding the possibility of Robert Paul committing the crime and then heading West and round the corner of the Board School and along Winthrop Street. Stow states - ‘Unfortunately there was a night watchman in Winthrop Street called Patrick Malshaw and he testified that he was awake at the time, nevertheless Paul gets past Malshaw unseen and unheard.’ However this is again completely not true. The testimony of Malshaw states - ‘Alfred Malshaw, a night watchman in Winthorpe Street, had also heard no cries or noise. He admitted that he sometimes dozed. The Coroner: I suppose your watching is not up to much? The Witness: I don't know. It is thirteen long hours for 3s and find your own coke. (Laughter.)’ Awake at the time was he Edward? Maybe just maybe he was not. So already we have doubts creeping into your argument. According to the data (distances, walking speeds etc) given in Steven Blomer's excellent ‘Inside Bucks Row’ book Paul would have had to travel a distance of approx 300 yards to get back from the body, around Winthrop Street and back to the entrance of Buck’s row. This would have taken approx 3m25s walking (not running as suggested by Stow) at a pedestrian 3mph or 2m55s at a slightly faster 3.5mph. So we have PC Neil leaving the murder spot in Bucks Row at 3:15am (according to the Missing Evidence) on his beat, end of Bucks Row 120 yards further on at about 3:17am, let’s be generous and say 3:20am. (Also you can use the great animation on RU-vid by Jeff) Paul enters Bucks Row at say 3:22am, gets to the murder site at 3:24am, we have plenty of time for Paul to find Polly - explained in a while. According to Christer’s Medical expert it took 2mins to kill poor Polly so now we have Paul leaving the murder spot at 3:26am and starting on his double back route. We have already established this takes between 3m25s and 2m55s to get to the junction of Bucks Row and Brady Street. So now we have, if we take the average time of 3mins Paul arriving ‘not so out of breath’ as Stow puts it at Bucks Row at 3:29am, say 3:30am. This gives him plenty of time to be back at the murder spot NOT out of breath in time to find ‘Lechmere standing near the body.’ In fact it gives him too much time, as it gives him approx another ten mins to allow PC Neil to be even further away and be able to commit the deed or find a victim and ‘appear’ back in Bucks Row ‘not out of breath.’ Ed’s debunking of Paul possibly doing the crime and double backing on Winthrop Street is now in tatters. Stow - ‘Running around the block would have been his [Paul’s] only option and the logistics on the ground alone puts any Paul suspect theory in the Nutty column.’ - alas I’ve just proved it using basic maths it’s very doable, very doable indeed and running around the block was not his only option, in fact he could have walked backwards and still had time to do it. Great researcher though. ☹ No I'm not saying Paul done the crime, rather that Stows dismissal of the 'theory' is baseless.
Have really enjoyed the work that has gone in to these videos, i think it all adds up, just one question. If it was Lechmere, why did the murders stop? Is he linked to any other murders?
Fascinating to see photos of Lechmere as a young man. Just a few years ago, it was amazing when they found "the only known photo" of him taken around 1912, when he was old. Timeless, fascinating case.
If anyone wants to put forward the name of a suspect other than Lechmere it will have to be much more plausible than suggesting it could be Robert Paul. I did in times past suspect Maybrick, assuming the diary and the engraved pocket watch were genuine, but the events and timings in Bucks Row are so persuasive.
Another excellent analysis, thank you. As a point of interest, Los Angeles had a pair of male serial killers of women, the hillside stranglers, in the 70s.
@amorfati8084 Yes I totally agree. And Robert Paul wasn't seen alone by Nichols' body at any time. Unlike Lechmere. If Paul killed Nichols there is absolutely no reason for him to come up to Lechmere if he'd already managed to evade him and get 40 yards or more behind him. It doesnt make any sense.
Thanks for another great video. Because of the circumstances Lechmere is a far more plausible suspect than Paul. Its crazy that some would prefer Paul rather than Lechmere. Paul did himself no favours by agreeing to do those interviews. Maybe something to do with his character while Lechmere came forward when he had no other choice. THANKS Gerald Newton
Crazy? No not really. Do you know when Paul left the house? Could have been far earlier than he said, had plenty of time to do the deed, double back and be then behind CL. It's not as ludicrous as made out in this video. Take the blinkers off. Have you heard of killers 'inserting' themselves into the case? That is what Paul did by going to the newspapers. Of course Lechmere had a choice in not coming forward. Paul never described him, did not know who he was in his newspaper interview. This video I'm afraid does not debunk Paul at all and is yet another biased attempt at fitting up Lechmere. Read the forums, read Inside Bucks Row, do you own research instead of relying on these HoL videos which by their very nature are biased towards Lechmere. (And no I'm not saying Paul was the killer either but I'm saying he can't be discounted as easy as this.)
@ianhope3202 If Paul got behind Lechmere at least 40 or 50 yards to the east then why didn't he just nip around Brady Street to Whitechapel high street instead of coming up to Lechmere? If Lechmere didnt come forward he may have feared a police watch on Bucks Row, Brady Street etc over the next days after Robert Paul spoke to the newspaper. Lechmere had to come out and walk to work every day around that particular time. He can't have used crowds to hide himself, as there weren't many people walking those streets at that time of the morning. Lechmere may also have feared a police dragnet knocking on his door while he was at work, asking his wife what time he left for work that morning. He wouldn't have known how wide any police canvassing would be.
Well done as usual. Don't know that I've ever considered Paul as a suspect. Other than fleetingly, a kind of "What if.... Nope. Not even worth considering." way. Though from the present perspective, knowing the history of serial killers, we should give anyone who was at the scene of any of the actual killings consideration. But Lechmere would have been sure to have mentioned, at least at the inquest, if Paul seemed out of breath or overly excited. Never gave thought to the pair working together either for the reasons you mention. Do we know though why the police eliminated Paul as a suspect? Just out of curiousity. Not out of even the slightest doubt.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Yeah, must be. There's another slightly odd phrase Lechmere opines, saying Paul comes up behind him - not beside him - which is somewhat unusual, doesn't quite fit the scene. Though I've never testified in a murder inquiry (phew!), I would think I'd be careful with my words, though I guess the newspapers could have paraphrased & Lechmere may well have been stressed, for rather macabre reasons you've eloquently outlined! Thank you for your efforts!
There is no documentary evidence that the Police interviewed Lechmere in the same manner and it would be odd IF they hadnt. A plausible explanation could be that such evidence did exist at one time but has since been lost.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407Did Neil ever realize that Lechmere lied to Miznen? Maybe you covered this, but I’m making my way through your videos. Also, I wonder how many of these people were Freemasons. I also wonder where the lodges were located at that time. It just seems prudent to ask these questions and rule them out to placate the conspiracy theorists. And, for full disclosure, you are not a Freemason, right?
I’ve always wondered how lechmere picked up Polly Nicolls , did he just happen to meet her in Bucks Row, was she leaning against a wall drunk might he have detoured via Whitechapel road looking for a victim, or was he just a random casual killer by chance.
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I've always had the thought that Lechmere knew all his victims by sight for many years perhaps, having had plenty of banter and sexual connection with them as a punter. He knew the timing of the coppers beat through constant physical, geographic experience of the East End. Polly just might have thought she was going to have a friendly/sexual exchange with him. I feel that he raised no alarm with any of the victims because he was so well known and even liked by them. All subjective of course!
In my opinion, when in the mood he probably detoured slightly onto the main roads where he would more likely find a victim and they would lead him to the location.
I can think of several modern serial killers of sex workers who were customers &/or drank @ the same pub/s as the girls, and so were known and not considered a threat. The Ripper was obviously a local, and I suspect probably knew his victims.
Having watched most of your videos, I'm liking Lechmere as a prime suspect for the traditional Ripper murders. I also think he's a good suspect for the Torso murders too. What I haven't heard (apologies if I missed it in one of your other films) is why, given the age he lived to, the killings ultimately came to an end. Any thoughts on that Edward?
I've always thought that there were many more witnesses that never came forward. As well as victims who survived. This is common in modern serial klrs. My big question is: Was Letch obtaining meats for the family animal food business, from humans? Sweeny Todd like.
I've suspected for a long time that whoever JTR was killed others as well but the connection was never made. It is easily possible that others were attacked who survived
I think it was either Lechmere or Nathan Kaminsky, AKA David Cohen. It could be that several men were responsible, which would explain the contradictory descriptions given by witnesses of the individual last seen with the victims. We will never know with absolute certainty, and the legend will endure forever.
According to the reporting at the inquest the Lechmere attended: "Replying to the coroner, witness (Lechmere) denied having seen Police-constable Neil in Buck's-row. There was nobody there when he and the other man left. In his opinion deceased looked as if she had been outraged and gone off in a swoon; but he had no idea that there were any serious injuries." Outraged was the vernacular for rape I believe.
By 1938, Walter Dew had either developed a faulty memory or was making things up. In that 1938 autobiography, in reference to Lechmere, Dew claims, “The police made repeated appeals for him to come forward, but he never did so.” Patently untrue. The police had his name, Charles Cross, and place of employment, Pickford & Co. There would be no need for the police to make repeated appeals for Lechmere to come forward. All they had to do was visit him a Pickfords. Besides, if Lechmere somehow had avoided such appeals to come forward, his workmates at Pickfords wouldn’t be long telling him, “The coppers are looking for you!”
@@rogerpalmer3522 Yes, you are correct. Walter Dew’s autobiography account is somewhat confusing. Dew described Robert Paul as the person behaving suspiciously. My view that, Walter Dew had either developed a faulty memory or was making things up, still applies. A newspaper reporter could find Robert Paul on two successive evenings but the coppers couldn’t find him?! For the record, I don’t believe either Charles Lechmere or Robert Paul was the Whitechapel murderer.
It's like a story hidden in chaos. Everything's a mystery ?. Funny thought, what if it was a staged crime scene ? How much of the story can become more transparent? If the supposed crime was marked with nothing more than a blooded rag ? Re:The blooded rag in the double event?
Did one of the victims live on the same street as Paul ? When was the first use of the name Canonical 5? Looking into this Canon/ical ?ical in the dictionary means pertaining to? Canon,maybe the name Canon pertaining to the 5, or could Canon be smoking gun ,so by switching the o and the a you get Conan, correct me if im wrong, was the author of sherlock Homes first name Conan? It's also interesting to note I think that Andersons memoirs mentioned sherlock Homes, or was it Warren's memoirs? That's how I got the Canonical question from? So if the police officer found the body, why did they not say that in court ? Why would Lechmire and Paul need an alibi? If no blood was at the scene when they were sent to find another officer who cut the throat? In my mind, it's all very convenient ? I'm more inclined to think she was murdered elsewhere, and that was a staged crime scene? Also, I got the idea of the rag with blood being used to mark a crime scene from a Sherlock Homes film I watched? There was a blood-stained rag found at one of the crime scenes? These are my opinions, no facts ,?
At the 30:53 mark Mr. Stow states: “Paul made a nuisance of himself, repeatedly running to the press, whereas Lechmere receded into the woodwork.” What justification is there for this claim, Ed? Paul was interviewed by Lloyd’s early on (before seemingly disappearing again) but we have no idea if he “ran to the press.” A representative could have waited in Buck’s Row that evening, button-holing passersby returning from their workday, having gotten wind that two men had passed through Buck’s Row that morning. We simply do not know. Other than that, Paul is very briefly paraphrased by Lloyd’s later in the month, having complained about being wrestled out of bed in the middle of the night by the police-which rather strongly suggests it was PAUL who had “receded into the woodwork” while Charles Lechmere had willingly contacted the police in the meantime. It all boils down to what “spin” you want to give it. “Paul was cleared by the police, whereas Lechmere wasn’t.” As Inspector Reid might have said, "this is a surprise indeed." This is pure speculation based on an absence of evidence.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Feel free to cite the relevant MEPO files showing that Paul was cleared and Lechere wasn't. There is a very brief mention of the two men in Abberline's report of 19th September 1888, and it mentions nothing of the sort.
@@rogerpalmer3522 As the police dragged Paul out of bed then it's obvious he was spoken to by them and cleared. Lechmere wasn't even investigated. There was no "Lechmere" (his actual name) in any police report. Hence no investigation. He wasn't even under suspicion. The police dropped the ball. Do we have to draw things with crayons so you can grasp it.
"Charles Lechmere had willingly contacted the police in the meantime" Lechmere didnt pop into the local police station on the Friday, didn't turn up at the inquest on the Saturday, didn't pop into the local police station on the Saturday, didn't pop into the local police station on the Sunday. In fact Lechmere didnt turn up anywhere informing anyone it was he who "found" Nichols body until after Paul opened his mouth and told the reporter there was a man ahead "standing where the woman was". Oooops.
My mum has special abilities and I asked her for an answer on who is JTR. This is the reply: JTR had an accomplice; a Doctor Smyth, and it was connected to the Royal Family (satanic rituals). *Charles Lechmere is definitely JTR* but Dr Smyth and royals were also involved (cannibalism etc). I wanted more information but I was told its not relevant to us now in this time so at least we've got closure on Lechmere. My mum's information is never wrong - I hope someone can look into Dr Smyth. My own personal opinion is that they are perhaps responsible individually and together at times (example; Liz Stride - I suspect that Lechmere was "pipe man" and "broad shouldered man" was Dr Smyth. And in this case of Nichols, I presume Lechmere was on his own that night. I also suspect the 'From Hell' letter was genuine given the information included 'cannibalism'.
You have 2 people who have seen the same historical documents, and they bring complete opposite statements. One time Lechmere talked to the police, then Paul, then nobody. And Lechmere came later to the police, then Paul. And so on and on. Fascinating.
Gr8 Stuff, Edward....Robert Paul talking to a Newspaperman on the Friday Afternoon of the Murder, is not what a Serial Killer wud do in trying to minimise attention to himself, as U said...U were spot-on in your assessment of Robert Paul and he stayed in Whitechapel, as the Census info shows. Gr8 Research there, Edward😊👏
Not what a serial killer would do? Have you seen how Ian Huntley was interviewed by the TV on more than one occasion? It's called inserting yourself into the investigation. Happens more than you think. However Lechmere did the complete opposite. Would a serial killer commit murder then wait up to 7 mins (if we are to believe The Missing Evidence) for the next passer-by or would they more likely make their escape? Get those Lechmere Coloured Blinkers off.
@@damianbowyer2018 I think so too. It wouldn't have been a large detour. If he was guilty then he probably stuck to doing this detour for a considerable time. Maybe he went along the main street all the way down the Aldgate East.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Yep Lyndon, it wud be highly-likely that both Lechmere and Paul took different routes to work to avoid Buck's Row and each other, after the event. Lechmere via Whitechapel Road and Paul, possibly via a Street North of Buck's Row in Whitechapel....If they both went Via Whitechapel Road, there is a good chance they wud have seen each other again.....Yep, with Aldgate East, there is a pretty good chance that Lechmere wud have gone that way to work at Broad Street and avoided Buck's Row forever, Lyndon. Cheers fm Damo😊👍
I wonder if Pauls granddaughter knows if he might have told the tale of him finding the rippers first victim? Or I wonder if it ever clicked in his head that he might have actually caught the ripper in action. Hopefully this decendant knows of an old story passed down through the generations is still told that your great great whatever found the ripper.
I still don't understand why they raided Paul's house, if Lechmere told police it was he who discovered the body before Paul had turned into the street. Maybe he worded it in such a way as to insinuate that Paul was hanging about in the street at the time or simply left it open to question. Or perhaps police were irritated by Paul having given the interview to a reporter while not bothering to tell them anything, making them look slightly incompetent. Either way, as you say, it's pretty obvious Paul and Lechmere were not working together. The hillside stranglers were another pair who worked together on killing, though these two were cousins. You are right when you say it's very unusual since one of the main factors contributing to the existence of serial killers is a sense of social isolation.
His house was quite possibly raided after the Annie Chapman murder ..... it taking place next to his place of employment. Police inspectors put two and two together.
Not sure who calls witnesses to an inquest, police, Coroner or can one just show up? Sunday newspaper, 2 Sept, printed Paul’s name and place of employment, Covent Garden market. From what he said to the newspaper, he was an obvious inquest witness. To the police he would be a person of interest. He wasn’t working Sunday, the police would have to visit his place of employment Monday morning to either find him or his home address. Charles Cross confirmed Paul’s presence at the murder scene during Monday’s inquest. A early morning police “knock up” puts the target off guard and hands them the initiative. Once certain matters were cleared up, to the satisfaction of the police, Robert Paul was given inquest date. His inquest evidence under oath differed significantly from what he told the newspaper reporter, two weeks earlier. No doubt the police had his newspaper interview, went through it line by line, and weeded out what Robert Paul said, and what the reporter wrote, embellished!
none of the suspects mentioned would cause a scandal today, so personally i rule them out as there is still a conspiracy to cover it up. But there was a man who frequented the area, who would, still today, cause mass cries of disbelief and scandal. he had a very good knowledge of anatomy, a very steady hand, was needy enough to accept payment, quite insane, and 5'4" tall. History even has a few unlikely red herrings thrown in as cover notes.
Just out of interest, are there any policemen that could be suspects as JTR? They were on the beat at night and no one would ever suspect a copper For me though Lechmere is at least 98% top of the suspect list . Thank you for your videos, they are great ❤
I agree with your idea of the police being involved. It fits into a theory. I have that the crime scenes were staged? Thank you for that? I got the idea from the two missing persons cases last year,? Nothing seems to fit? In my opinion? No facts?
Robert Paul was not callous. The fact that he had to pay someone else to do his job, while he attended the inquest tells, you all that you need to know. His employers were monumentally callous, and he merely factored that reality into his calculations. Lechmere likewise if he was innocent. Pickford's were not going to give him a wellbeing break.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 If something stressful happens to you at the MOJ, they give you what they call a "wellbeing break." I don't think that Pickford's afforded Lechmere this luxury.
Very interesting video Edward. I most appreciated the most important point of how so called ripper Olof it’s try to pin the murders on highly unlikely persons of interest. Thankfully, the courts don’t operate with this dubious sense of self entitled judgement as to innocence. One must have proof beyond a shadow of doubt. Not opinion. Bravo!
Has anyone watched 'Silence if the lambs ' lately ? I have to say Thomas Harris must have been influenced by this case .. He must have read up on it and put various things into his synoosis , such as Hannibal 'swapping corpses ' with Sgt Pembury . ( I have to say Pembury and his mate deserved it for their obnoxuous comments )-Thats influenced by the scene at Millers Court in my opinion . He did it in his original book 'Red Dragon ' also . The body swap with Dolaryde and a man who fitted his descriptuon .. However ... My questuon is ... Who do you think Harris thought did these murders ... Id like to know myself ... Them films were alnost a hundred year anniversary of these crimes . And got a few oscars with it
I've wondered this myself. I've wondered if Paul himself got curious as the weeks and years went bye that he actually stumbled across the ripper. He must have passed on some knowledge to family members.
Paul actually seems to have helped Lechmere because he told the newspaper the man up ahead was standing where the woman was, yet later at the inquest he said he was in the middle of the road.
Another most excellent episode, Edward. I agree with you that the police likely only located Robert Paul while canvassing the area around Hanbury Street after Annie Chapman was killed there. As you have mentioned before, and as we have discussed, it could well be that Lechmere purposely sought a victim in the Hanbury Street location to throw suspicion onto Paul. A plausible reason he went the longer route down Hanbury Street after speaking to PC Mizen was to see where Paul was going in case he felt the need to try and steer the direction of the investigation that way. We don't know what was going through Lechmere's mind (if he was the Ripper) that week after Polly was killed. He might have been a bit paranoid after having to come forward to the inquest and so decided to act and kill on Hanbury Street. Might have taken a few mornings to find a victim. Cheers.
Notes from r/jacktheripper on Lechmere as a suspect Having a theory that is so underpinned by precise timing relies on everyone involved having a watch (they didn't), those watches being accurate, and hen being checked at appropriate times. Folk at the time generally used the sound of the church bells to estimate time. Being a few minutes adrift is not evidence of intent to deceive. This is built on everyone's watch being correct, plus them not rounding up or down to nearest half hour. Think about it - if you left home at 03:33 would you be likelier to say that or "I left home about 03:30"? How correct is the pace of Lechmere having to have reached the body? Couldn't he have been calmly strolling? Ultimately this is trying to force Lechmere to fit into the theory. The competence of the police is not in question. They followed up every lead, no matter how ridiculous it seemed, and did everything possible that was available to them at the time. Very few people carried time pieces so most would have given an estimate of time. I would take the time given by Cross, Paul and the policeman as an estimate. The only ones on the scene that had timepieces were the doctors. Making a case against a man just because he got the timing wrong during a time in history when people didnt even wear watches. All the times given by witnesses are probably rough estimates anyway. I agree that Lechemere is one of the most interesting potential suspects but we have no more evidence against him now than the police had back then There is so little to implicate Lechmere as a suspect that it baffles me why he keeps coming up. He found a body. Nobody else who discovered a body is under such scrutiny.
The timing is a small aspect of the case. The police blundered - the coroner admonished them for failing to interview all but a handful of local residents
Hi. I have a few commenta. 1. Your presentations are exceptional in laying out the evidence and are quite persuasive. 2. The liz stride killing when lechmere and paul found the body. I think the name is right. She had to have been dead before her throat was cut, otherwise there would have been blood all over the place, the heart continues to beat until the brain dies. So it adds a bit of evidence to thelechmmere theory since strangulation would not have taken more than five minutes or so, especially if the killer just attacked rather than tried to chat her up. 3. If the letters still exist it is possible to get dna off the blood to match to a descendant and possibly a fingerprint match from that bloodstained letter. If, and that is a big word, some descendants of lechmere has some old letters or belongings of his. 4. I have no doubt that the killer killed before and after. I would follow lechmere from early life until his death looking for any missing or dead people, either solved or unsolved. One can hope.
I believe so, though I've watched a lot of them. BTW, it was apparently molly nichols, not liz stride. And the killer, whether lechmere or not, was interrupted.
@@mikepotts2470 at this time, not anymore , maybe, he did not see Paul. But maybe before. The door was closed now, maybe He can't open it again or it was to late. He was seen. And really, I World act similar than he
Good video ed, couple of q's. Lechmere knowing from experience thats there was a p.c at the g.e.r yard,50 yrds away,why would he kill polly knowing theres a chance that he'd be seen leaving the crime scene by a p.c. that he may even be recognized by this p.c having walked pass many times. If lech turns at the board school he risks meeting p.c neil who could appear at any moment. Also why could lechmere not look down twords brady st when he was at the body? I know he was concerened with the dead ground at the board school but how hard could it be to turn his head to his left a couple of times? How long would that take,one second?
If Lechmere was the Ripper then he DID look left. That's why he stopped what he was doing and covered up his work then stepped back from the body and acted innocent. He was aware of Paul coming along Bucks Row but not right from the moment Paul first turned the corner onto it.
@@lyndoncmp5751killing polly when hed know there was a p.c hed have to walk past at the railway yard he may even recognize him from previous mornings sounds iffy.also i dont see how he wouldnt have heard paul entering bucks row,lechmere was stationary paul wasnt. Lechmere could easily look both ways.even if he wasnt looking theres no excuse not to hear paul, for what 80yrds? Nah
If you think Lechmere was innocent then he didn't notice Paul walking max 45 yards behind him and Paul didn't notice Lechmere walking max 45 yards in front of him
The whole 'point' is that Lechmere would have been absorbed in what he was doing and allowed his focus to be in the direction of the Board School as that would be the most vulnerable direction from his point of view, and that allowed Paul to approach unseen or heard until he was quite close. That isn't exactly an outlandish suggestion is it? As for the risk of PC Neil approaching - my guess is he saw him on Whitechapel Road and gauged he had enough time. As for PC81 GER, again my guess is he gauged he would be ok - this wasn't his first kill by a long margin. Also she would have led him to that spot. Once there he could go ahead or abort. By then he'd probably psyched himself up to do it. Every crime scene represented incredible risks but they happened. Saying 'oh that was a bit risky' is quite frankly a little ridiculous if you don't mind me saying.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 dont know about outlandish ed but this is the cunning and devious lechmere right? To switch of like u suggest is odd to say the least.his hearing just didnt stop working he would pick up on the footsteps in that sound alley straight away.for roughly 30-40 seconds he didnt hear anything? Seriously doubt it. Thinking he would kill polly then walk past p.c81ger who might see a carman walking by is asking for it,now that is a tad ridiculous.
I will make another observation. While I entirely dismiss the idea the Lechmere and Paul were working together on the murders, I think that the police might well have considered the possibility. Gang attacks and muggings were very common in the area at the time, and it would not have been clear that they wee looking for a serial killer at this stage (if the term had even existed).
@@davekeating. If you look at the history of inner city gangs, such as the Peaky Blinders, they were very often made up of working class men with jobs.
If lechmere was the murderer, & paul & lechmere walked together after talking to the policeman, then he gained knowledge of the area paul worked, if they made idle chit chat he maybe knew or guessed where paul was a car man. Going out on a limb, but maybe the next murder (though maybe opportune) was made near to pauls work to try to throw suspicion on him.
regarding any of the suspects do any criminal records still exist that could be referenced especially regarding lechmere ? is lechmere a legitimate suppect, yes definitely, however surely he was interviewed more than just at the inquest, if so they must have gone to his home address , the surely his real name would of become known Also with the greatly improved police presence surely he was stopped multiple times on his way to work
Some criminal record information is available for habitual offenders who were jailed. Ostrog's record, for example (I did a film about him). For small local offenses we are depended upon very incomplete press reports if force ample magistrates court hearings. There is nothing on Lechmere. Nor do we know of cautions and suchlike. Regarding Lechmere bring interviewed. Up to 19th October the police did not know his real name which pretty conclusively rules out the possibility that he was ever questioned at all in any depth nor can the police have followed up on him. In serial killer cases with more abd more leads and witnesses with each murder, even modern police forces become overwhelmed with information and miss the obvious.
Why would pc Mizen say that Lechmere and or Paul had told him that another pc was waiting for him on Bucks Row? "Here are some possible explanations for why there was no PC waiting for him despite what Mizen was told: 1. Miscommunication: It's possible that there was a miscommunication between Mizen, Lechmere, and/or Paul. Perhaps Lechmere or Paul thought they saw another PC waiting, but it turned out to be a misunderstanding. 2. Change in Circumstances: The situation at the scene might have changed between the time Lechmere or Paul communicated with Mizen and when Mizen arrived. The other PC could have been called away or moved to a different location for some reason. 3. Memory Error: It's also possible that there was a memory error on the part of Mizen, Lechmere, or Paul. The stress and chaos of the situation could have led to inaccuracies in recollection. 4. Intentional Misdirection: There's also the possibility that someone intentionally misled Mizen about the presence of another PC for some reason. In any case, the fact that there was no PC waiting for Mizen raises questions about the accuracy and reliability of the information provided to him at the time. It could be significant in understanding the events leading up to the discovery of Mary Ann Nichols' body and the subsequent investigation."
I really doubt that this was a cunning plan by a guilty CAL but that him saying ‘you are wanted / needed on Bucks Row’ combined with Mizen finding PC Neil there when he arrived led to assumptions being made and a false memory of a brief exchange! However, a guilty CAL may well have expected PC Neil to be present if he had an idea of beat timings etc but it’s a long shot that he knew what Mizen would have been thinking
We KNOW Lechmere was acting shifty because he didn't tell PC Mizen it was he who found Nichols' body. Seeing as Lechmere was not acting honestly, he almost certainly deliberately told Mizen another policeman wanted him there. He didn't have to be super cunning to do that.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Question is do we know for sure which one, or if it was both that told PC Mizen that he was wanted by another PC on Bucks Row? And while it may not require an elaborate or cunning plan on Lechmere's part, his actions do suggest a level of calculated behavior aimed at minimizing suspicion or deflecting attention away from himself. This interpretation aligns with the broader context of his behavior surrounding the discovery of Nichols' body and raises further questions about his role and motivations in the events of that night.
@@billjones3720 It appears it was Lechmere who controlled the situation and did the talking to PC Mizen, while Paul was in the background. Was just saying it didn't take any cunning to pull it off. Lechmere just wasn't honest and didn't tell the truth about the situation. That's an indication of guilt.
Mizen probably got a good look at both their faces hence they had to make up a story on the spot because they knew it wouldn't be long before Nichols body was found and a manhunt would be out for both men
PC Mizen was far too busy knocking people up to notice Paul and Cross. They went to him. It was PC Mizen who had to make up “a policeman wants you down Buck’s Row” as he hadn’t bothered to get the details of the two carmen.
@@peterworby2049 Robert Paul was there. He said PC Mizen continued knocking on doors as they left once they told him about the woman in Buck’s Row. They could have just as easily walked by and PC Mizen would not have stopped them, or taken too much notice to make a later description.
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Regardless of what people think Paul did show elements of narcissistic behaviour by having to make a big deal out of "finding the body" ...and many serial killers have been known to have narcissistic tendency plus those who work in pairs usually have one who is a narcissist and the dominant of the two.....and is there actually any evidence at all of what happened in Bucks Row before Lechmere and Paul bumped into Mizen?so we know nothing in reality of how long either or both were in Bucks row and what time they arrived there after 3-15am...in fact nothing except their say so....and a murderer or murderers are not going to tell the truth, especially if they come face to face with a copper,Mizen who would have seen their faces....so if Lechmere is guilty then it is still possible that Paul could be guilty too,even if you don't believe it Ed ....
Great research... But I think there's little chance that Lechmere isn't the murderer you're looking for. Of course, you have already proven this to us in previous episodes
SIGH, here we go again Edward...... You know Robert Paul had plenty of time to hear Lechmere coming down Brady Street, far more than you have alluded to in this video. The reason he went back towards Brady Street was in the hope that Lechmere would have continued down to Whitechapel Road and he could resume his mutilation (as we both know the job wasn't finished). Much like Thain would have done had Neil not attracted his attention with the lamp. Then you mention yourself, that Robert Paul lived in Forster street since 1881, plenty of time from then until 1888 to learn the lay of the land and know which houses were occupied / locked and by whom. So not this game of luck or chance you are trying to propose. He could afford to be callous when proposing to lift Polly Nichols because he would have the perfect alibi should the death had been discovered there and then being able to successfully snare Lechmere as the first on the scene. That is also why he felt comfortable in approaching the press, the worst that could happen he would just say "there was a geezer there before me". He also had no idea if Charles Lechmere was giving testimony to the police at that very moment on that very day of the 'Remarkable statement' so a case can be made that Robert Paul was FORCED to go forward to the press. He told the press it was HE who spoke to Mizen NOT Lechmere! Finally YOU choose to omit things when it doesn't help your case. I challenge you to go into detail on this in your next video Edward. WHO OUT OF THE TWO CARMEN WAS ACTAULLY RUNNING LATE AND WHO WAS ACTUALLY PROBABLY GOING TO ARRIVE EARLY? Remember Robert Paul turned into Buck's Row at EXACTLY 3.45 A.M. Will you be telling your viewers of Robert Paul's time anomalies in comparison to everyone that was at the scene of the crime within 10 mins?..... I'll wait and see....
Why didn't he just nip back down Brady Street and then Whitechapel Rd and avoid Lechmere altogether if he'd already managed to get away from the body and avoid detection? Paul as the killer is a ludicrous proposition.
@@lyndoncmp5751 "Why didn't he just nip back down Brady Street and then Whitechapel Rd and avoid Lechmere altogether if he'd already managed to get away from the body and avoid detection?" Answer : Lechmere would have heard him walking away, who's to say Lechmere wouldn't have started shouting after him as Paul walked away screaming his head off "There's been a murder!". Also, he can now frame Lechmere as being the first to arrive at the scene, what better alibi? Then there's the case of bumping into P.C. Thain. Finally we keep hearing of these highly vigilant watchmen and patrolling police officers, would you rather continue on your way to work (as you are supposedly running late) down a route you have been familiar with for seven years or risk going to the main road, where according to Edward, there was a policeman standing directly opposite the entrance to "piss alley". Whom, having heard the sound of any whistles, or cries of murder, would be highly suspicious of anyone passing? Who knows what logic someone thinks when they're interrupted in a frenzy of the act of killing.... Perhaps "let me just continue on to work as usual and pretend nothing's happened". I seem to answer a lot of questions here in the comments section and have done so throughout the past few years with very little answers forthcoming back to my questions. I'm also the first one to put forward the possibility that Robert Paul hid in Buck's Row as Lechmere passed by (I know that Robert Paul has been proposed as the possible culprit before I ever put him forward but all of those never contained my methodology for putting Robert Paul as the culprit). People previously said he went down Winthrope Street and back into Buck's Row. I don't know how Edward has attributed Robert Paul was hiding in Buck's Row to Steven Bloomer in one of his other videos......, unless Stephen can time-stamp prove me otherwise.... Like I said to Christer, I'm not here for any fame or fortune, but I would like those in the know on Ripperology to attribute credit where it's due, wether they believe it's a "ludicrous" proposition or not. I'm also the first one to propose Robert Paul was never running late in the first place, therefore that was all a bluff about running late, he just wanted away from the crime scene as quickly as possible. Someone may then say if he wanted away so quick why propose to prop the body up and arrange her clothes? I'll repeat myself here, Answer : He has managed to frame Lechmere as being the first on the scene, what better alibi? (Remember he's so adamant on this point that he repeats it to the press, firmly pointing the finger at Lechmere being the first to discover the body). so @lyndoncmp5751 was Robert Paul ever actually running late at ANY point that morning?
@@andy5xcool In reply to the first line you wrote WHY would Lechmere have heard Paul walking AWAY from him nipping round Brady Street when, in your theory, Lechmere didnt even hear him walking TOWARDS him when he got behind him and his. If he was 40 or so yards east of Lechmere down Bucks Row when Lechmere saw him then he MUST have walked from Polly's body at least 40 yards in the direction of where Lechmere was coming from. Yet Lechmere didn't hear him coming his way so why would he hear him going the other way?
@@lyndoncmp5751 I have your answer but you will have to answer my question about Robert Paul's punctuality first. So again, I ask you @lyndoncmp5751 was Robert Paul ever actually running late at ANY point that morning?
I do not take Mr. Paul very seriously as a suspect, but I still find him very useful, as the second person to discover the body. He provides us with a template of what an innocent Lechmere might look like, and a rather plausible one. Like Lechmere he is a carman, and like Lechmere, he can be tied to at least two of the murder scenes, and like Lechmere he is very evasive about the whole thing. If Paul had got out of bed a few minutes earlier, and Lechmere had found him standing over the body, then he might look like an even stronger suspect, because one of the murders was close to his place of work. Having said that. Lechmere is clearly the stronger personality of the two. From the moment that they meet, Lechmere is effectively calling the shots. Of course Lechmere might simply have been the stronger personality, but that is something to think about.
"then he might look like an even stronger suspect, because one of the murders was close to his place of work" Although Lechmere's routes to work place him walking right by three murder spots at doable timings, plus another one not too far off it if Kelly was on a work morning. Then of course, Stride was just around the corner from his mother's house, on a night he wouldn't need to be up for work the next morning. Wow.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Do you have evidence of Lechmere's routes to work, when he altered them , what time he left home etc etc or is this more House of Lechmere speculation?
@@ianhope3202How many people do you know to willingly take the longer or honest routes to work (let’s call these the scenic detour) when they need to arrive at their place of employment by a fixed time? Messrs Holmgren and Stow have postulated nowt more than the shortest, and therefore most logical, routes that an innocent person might reasonably be expected to travel. The fact prime tends to be lazy and creatures of habit also strongly leans in their favour with those postulates.
@@ianhope3202 Old Montague Street and Wentworth Street was the direct route towards Pickfords from Bucks Row. Why WOULDN'T he typically use the direct route to get to his work every morning? It's fairly logical and common sense reasoning is it not? However, after "finding" Nichols body, he definitely went down Hanbury Street. We know this as fact. We know that Lechmere was typically walking those streets at some time between 3.00 and 4.00 am. Can you name ANY other suspect known to be regularly using those exact streets around those timings? Only Paul but his work isn't on a route via Wentworth Street and Dorset Street and we know of no connection to the Berner Street area for him. Lechmere is by far the best suspect we can actually finger in locations and timings. Just out of interest, do you put the same amount of rejection into the Kosminski, Tumblety, Levy etc theories or is it only Lechmere? If not, why not?
@@lyndoncmp5751 So no proof then of his routes just 'common sense.' Ok thanks. The FACT is no one can know which route he took on any given morning, what time he did it or if he stopped for a pee or smoke. It's 100% speculation. So a killer has to have a connection to an area now to be a killer, mmm okay. The problem with the other suspects you mention is their 'theories' are put out there and basically left alone. The are not the subject of some money grabbing weekly RU-vid videos that are riddled with lies. (Mulshaw was awake all the time, was he, read his testimony) Lechmere is. If there were other theories out there proposing they had solved the case beyond a reasonable doubt like Christer does then those would be challenged as well. Of course there is the tiny issue of the man making these videos as well. Did you look him up?
