This one is much better than the original. It would have been far more exciting if they were chased after the fire, rather than P.J. just having a tantrum and then, out of the blue, everything is good. And I've always wondered where Marion was after the party in the forest.
Agree. Besides Prince John would have been a more threatening villain. King Richard making an appearance to fix everything would have been awesome. Also, I like how Marian tries to protect Robin while he’s wounded.
I loved how the nobles are represented by exotic animals like rhinos and elephants, while the good guys are all local creatures of the forest; I didn't understand it as a kid, but now realize it was meant to be a hint at the Normans (outsiders) and the Anglo Saxons (England's "native" populace).
I always saw it as Prince John surrounding himself with bigger, stronger and often animals of prey. He has crocodils and wolves working for him which are bigger than foxes and the rhinos are his guards despite being herbivores, they're still much more intimidating. That plays off well with how Little John is a bear as he's also a massive creature you'd think would be used for arms with Prince John but he fully embodies the 'gentle giant' trope. You could say he's a Papa Bear. ;)
Not that his one scene wasn't bad, but it would've been nice for King Richard to have played a larger role. And who wouldn't have wanted to see him chew out his little brother after all of that?
The only problem I have with this ending, next to Richard being a deus ex machina, is the fact that John doesn’t really get punished for what he did. In the final ending, it’s more satisfying because you see him wearing the black and white uniform instead of his elegant attire and reduced to the menial and pointless job of breaking rocks with a sledgehammer. In this ending, Richard just shouts at him.
Maybe in the Disney+ remake they can include a subplot about someone (maybe Marian) sending a news to Richard in the crusades, Richard getting the news and returning to England in brief scenes throught the movie, so his return at the last moment seems less out of nowhere. Nothing is a Deus-ex-macchina if properly set up.
While I find this ending cool and intriguing, I think the real ending makes the punishment for the villains more satisfying. We see them all under arrest, confined to tiring work in the rock piles. This kinda leaves something to the imagination. Especially when we see King Richard's friendly, yet intimidating presence in the same scene. As a kid I knew I would NOT want to mess with him.
While it does build up John, Marian, and actually makes Robin pretty vulnerable, it basically undoes the entire theme of the movie If the government is abusive to the governed, the governed deserves to rise up Robin has always stuck it to the man. How insulting would it be if “the man” King Richard wound up saving him from John at the very end. Gotta take the pros and cons here
They should’ve stuck with this scene instead of the one we got, Prince John looked more intimidating here than a sore loser, not to mention, his defeat due to Richard’s return (And more screen time for Richard) was more satisfying.
Yes! Having the main villain be defeated off-screen is really anticlimatic. Besides, Marian doesn't appear at all in the third act. And besides that, as you said, this scene makes prince John actually a menace.
@Daniel Wallace I think it might have been cut due to the contrived fact that Richard just happens to arrive from the wars the exact time his brother is trying to kill Robin. In theory, the ending we got (Him arriving offscreen at a random moment) was more realistic. But I prefer this contrived and climatic scene more than any realistic anticlimax. There are several previously stated reasons why this scene, even contrived, works much better.
I really like the dark turn of having Prince John pursue Robin Hood in an attempt to assassinate him while he's wounded. It makes Prince John a much more intimidating threat as he has pretty much used all his power to take down Robin Hood and no doubt would he get much more enjoyment from being the one to finally finish him off.
That “but it would upset mother” line makes me think that their mom is the reason John is such a big crybaby. Maybe she spoiled him because she knew he wouldn’t be king. Either that or he was her favorite child. Or it could be both.
John said in the movie that their mother always liked Richard best. Which is historically accurate by the way. Ealanor of Aquitaine was well known for favouring Richard the Lionheart above all her other children.
their mother favored Richard and John if I remember right was the favorite of Henry. I'm guessing that Richard says that it would upset her to banish John because she would rather they all get along as best as possible. Especially when you consider that Richard never had any children so John would be king after him anyway since there was no one else that could do it at the time.
I think I know why this scene is deleted (but only the moment of when king Richard arrives), because in the beginning of the movie (when we first see John & Hiss), Hiss said to John “It was your idea, I’ve hypnotized him”. In this clip, King Richard said “I leave England in your care”, saying that is like he gave the crown to John of his own free will, before the film started.
In that very same scene, Hiss says "(Enacting our plan was) much to the sorrow of the queen-mother." To which John replies "Mother... mother always did like Richard best!" which seems to imply that she is dead, whereas Richard says banishing John would upset their mother, implying she *is* still alive.
@@gabriela4229 He does. But unbeknownst to him and everyone else, it was Hiss and PJ's plan to secretly hypnotize him into going off on his crusade leaving them to rule. The townsfolk simply thought King Richard left on his own accord.
@@beastmaster0934 "Mother always did like Richard best" does not mean John's mother doesn't love him either, it just mean she just likes Richard more, it's scientifically proven that parents do have a favorite kid if they have more than one, this is just the case here
An abandoned scene from Robin Hood in 1973 that would instead be rewritten for Hunchback of Notre Dame in 1996 during the scene with Quasimodo and Esmerelda being confronted by Frollo at the tower.
This is honestly a great ending. It would have been great to have Prince John be a more vicious villain for at least 1 scene, and then King Richard pretty much defeats him by simply showing up.
I like how this deleted scene shows just how little regard John has for anything since if Robin and Marion have a sanctuary of the Church then no one could lay a finger on them until they leave. Still, John does just that which shows there is no law whether human or divine he wouldn't break.
I wish this was in the final film, it would have given Maid Marian more screen time and have more of an important role in the movie not just being being the love interest. Plus this version of Prince John is a little more darker than in the final film and that it gives King Richard some screen time as well. But I digress.
I grew up watching this movie as a kid in Nigeria and I love it to this day! I recently bought the DVD and rewatched it for the first time yesterday and only discovered this alternate ending in the special features😂😂
Prince John shouldn't feel too bad. He ended up being King a few years later. Robin and Marian probably wisely left England shortly after hearing news of that.
@@TheMagnaficent apparently not in John's case. Richard's death in 1199 was likely how he got out of the Rock Pile. Word of his brother's death would definitely be need-to-know information and one succeeds the throne immediately upon his or her predecessor's death or abdication in England and later the UK. The jailers had to likely bow their heads to John and tell him what happened and call him "Your Majesty". John did do something Richard could not do: keep the Plantaganet line going with Henry III
Apparently in the original, Robin Hood story, prince, John collected the taxes like he did only to fund the crusades at the time, so in a way you could technically say king Richard’s crusade to take back the holy land led to this
This scene should be in the film, because that gave me answers of what happened to Maid Marion during the final fight, and I could see the interaction of Richard and John 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Hiss was still as guilty as John since they co-conspired the hypnosis and temporary removal of Richard to the crusades. Hiss was much nicer than most of the rest of John's cronies, but he was still very loyal to John throughout, despite not always agreeing with him.
@@aguy7848 Yeah, Disney again made him the typical evil serpent playing the role of the villain's assistant much like Kaa in the secondary villain role of "The Jungle Book" only that Sir Hiss comes more across as the tertiary "nicer" antagonist or least evil who disagrees with John's harsher plans and screwups (though it might be because he's more intelligent such as hanging Friar Tuck and getting into trouble with the Catholic Church) because the Sheriff is only second to John when it comes to being evil and actively upsetting others. He may not wield all the power as John when it comes to this version, but he is the one who actively does the harming whilst working for the King and the one most people love to hate whereas Sir Hiss comes off as slightly more charming while also being cunning. The Sheriff's charm was more a cover to just show how evil he truly was and that's how he was so compelling and fun to watch. But Sir Hiss genuinely seems worried about the Prince's flaws despite favouring and even sometimes manipulating him to get rid of Richard.
Richard: you should be banished from England forever John: You're just saying that because father likes me better Richard (breaking down): OHHH DADDDDYYYYYY!!!!! (starts sucking his thumb)
That's also historically true John was Henry II's favorite son, and Richard betrayed their father and joined the rebels in the Great Revolt of 1173-74, and saw being King of England as punishment for his betrayal of Henry, who gave John his brother's beloved Duchy of Aquitaine.
With all the due respect. But shut the hell up. Disney is not the same. I am expecting that the supposed remake of Robin Hood is going to be with Humans and it’s gonna be a fucking hot and steaming piece of shit.
Shut up! Shut up right now! Like shut your mouth! Do you understand the problems we are already having with disney remakes?! We are getting more ruined remakes and the lion king do you understand what the internet's gonna do when they see a cgi furry or animal with clothes on for a remake?! Well roast him just like sonic!
Maybe because I grew up watching this movie, but I prefer the ending they chose because Prince John going stark-raving mad on Hiss is way too funny and iconic to leave out with all the one-liners too. "You eel in snake's clothing" and so forth. That combined with seeing them imprisoned is a more satisfying conclusion IMO.
"Here is my take on the scene" Richard: i leave England in your care and i come to see the people oppressed John: I Well, i didn't mean to see i- Hiss: it-i can explain your majesty, i i tried to tell him it was wrong Prince John: it was his idea Hiss: i tried to tell him but no no no Prince: this eel in snakes clothing Richard : You Are BOTH Guilty
@@alexiaNBCnot in this universe only in real world in real life king Richard died in the crusades but if they did that it would break the kids hearts so of course they can’t have that
While this is a cool ending, I actually prefer the ending we got, for one major reason: If King Richard returned on that night, the entire jail break sequence was completely pointless. Friar Tuck never would have been hanged even if Robin Hood hadn't broken everybody out that night, King Richard would have still returned that night and everything would have been fine.
Yet Disney’s Robin Hood still stays at number 2 of my animated movie list even with this missing alternate ending Maid Marian is still my 2nd favorite character aswell seeing her get more screen time is better and kinda shows that the ending we see now is just rushed since of how lazy Disney was in this era but thanks for uploading this.
If Nottingham becomes a Kingdom Hearts world, this should be the ending used on the second visit. Sora, Donald, Goofy, Little John and Skippy carry Robin Hood to the church where Maid Marian is caring for him. Prince John's Heartless then finally blossoms and a boss fight ensues. After beating the Dark Monarch, King Richard sends Prince John to jail and commends Sora. Hiss then reminds Prince John of their mother's castle and the latter sucks his thumb while chasing his, having gone stark-raving mad.
Given that Floyd Norman was one of the artists/animators for this film, I wouldn't be surprised if all the concept art used for this deleted ending was all his handy work.
- Robin Hood, you'll be Lord. - Thank you, your majesty. - And you, Little John, you'll be duke. - Thank you, your honor. - Oh yes, Friar Tuck... - (Finally it's time for my reward) - ... I order you to celebrate Robin and Marian marrige! - (fuck...)
The real shame about not having this ending is that Maid Marian is depicted as a stronger character, a diversion from decades of damsel stereotypes propogated by Disney. Oh well. Maybe in the live remake
2:53-3:07 *King Richard:* _(to Prince John and Sir Hiss angrily)_ You are *_BOTH_* guilty! You have used the crown for your own selfish interests! You should be banished from England forever! But it would upset mother. Oh, yes. The crown?
2:06 Prince John: I fear the end is near. Maid Marian: Don't you come a step closer! Prince John: NOBODY gives orders to King John! Maid Marian: You're not the King! Prince John: (scoffs) Mere formality. And now, my lovely Marian, the time has come...
Sir Hiss, although one of the kinder individuals among John's lot of cronies, was still the one who hypnotized Richard in the first place. Although he doesn't deserve as much of a sentence as John and the sheriff, he still must atone for his crimes.
I quite prefer the actual film ending over this one. But yeah, I was rather weirded out how Marian never shows up after the "The Phoney King of England" song sequence until the wedding scene. And I find it weird how here, Sir Hiss sucks his tail with Prince John sucking his thumb.
Yes, it was a decent attempt. Ustinov had such a deep and musical voice that he must have been difficult to copy, but the man here does a nice job of copying his vocal intonations and such.
This is a good alternate ending. I would have taken it a step further: The Sheriff of Nottingham charges into the church with Nutsy and Trigger. Sheriff: King Richard! Nutsy, Trigger, seize him! Nutsy and Trigger turn their weapons on the sheriff instead. Sheriff: AAAHHH!! What are you two doin'? Trigger: We were only following orders from you because the King was gone. Nutsy: But now he's back and YOU'RE under arrest! King Richard: You are no longer worthy of wearing this symbol of law and order! King Richard yanks the sheriff star off of the wolf. (former) Sheriff: But, Sire. I was only following orders from your brother! King Richard: Orders you took delight in carrying out. Therefore you are NO LONGER Sheriff of Nottingham. ALL THREE OF YOU ARE GUILTY!!! You have used the crown for your own selfish interests. You should be banished from England forever, but it would upset mother. So that leaves me the only option of imprisonment in the Tower of London for the remainder of my reign. Oh, yes. The crown?" Prince John hands the crown back to King Richard, who puts the crown on. King Richard: Nutsy and Trigger, take them away! Nutsy and Trigger march Prince John, Sir Hiss, and the former Sheriff of Nottingham off to prison. Prince John: (whimpers) Oh, Mommy! (sucks his thumb)
This is a.great alternate ending the problem is when does king Richard tell the vultures to do it since he does t actually give them any orders basically they suddenly realize king Richard is there and turn to him knowing what he would what them to do
@@TheMagnaficent The actual ending had the vultures overseeing Prince John, Hiss, and the Sheriff's imprisonment at the rock pile, and Trigger was set to salute Robin Hood and Maid Marion's wedding carriage as it passed by. Thus implying that Nutsy and Trigger were just following orders from the crown and weren't really evil, unlike the Sheriff who took delight in his evil deeds.
Ah! The Sheriff was in the wedding audience! That's so good, I love that sinister guy, it's hilarious and to his character that he isn't sacked or anything and jumps right into the old King Richard law again like it's natural.
Ah yes, and then Richard died in France, Carta Magna happened, the power of the English monarchy ended up being divided between The Barons and the Monarch, lost Normandy and Aquitania to Philip Capet, and had to submit to the will of the Barons by signing the Carta Magna...
Imagine if Skippy to bust in the room and shoot and kill Prince John in the back with the bow and arrow Robin Hood gave him for his birthday That would’ve been so cool but probably too much for a Disney movie
A good additional exchange that could be added just before 2:51: Sir Hiss: Well, you knew it wouldn’t last forever! I tried to tell you this would happen, but no no no, your arrogance- Prince John: (finally turning on Hiss and furiously strangling him) Why you eel in snake’s clothing-! King Richard: SILENCE!! (With that, John and Hiss immediately cease and cower in fear.) 2:53 King Richard (con’t): You are BOTH guilty! (Etc., etc.)
Basically sir hiss tried to tell Prince John that he shouldn’t tax his people because someday king Richard would return and be very angry but he didn’t listen and now he had to pay the piper for his selfishness
