Robin Horsfall - Are we Underestimating how Destructive and Long-lived Moscow's Aggression could be? 

Undiluted, unequivocal, pro-active support for Ukraine's victory and peace is the necessary focus. It's uplifting to see the dedicated support from this channel and also from your guest Robin Horsfall. Slava Ukraine!

As a Ukrainian American that had to sit through 12 years of “Uki” School every Saturday, Historically, Russia has always been the aggressor. This war in Ukraine is not Ukraine is not several years old. Ukraine has been fighting against the Russia for a thousand years.

Everyone talks about war fatigue, but if you ask most people, they support Ukraine. I think our politicians underestimate just how many are not only willing to further support the fight in Ukraine but take pride in our past support.

I find Robin Horsfalls point of view extremely enlightening. He shines a light on how those in power in the west should be performing rather than the half measures that they are serving up.

What a fantastic interview! As an Australian-Ukrainian, who also lived in Russia, I agree with basically everything that was said. A fantastic, deep summary.

Yet another fantastic conversation Jonathan. I have been following your channel for many months now and thanks to you and your knowledgeable speakers, you have given me a deeper understanding of exactly what is going on in this conflict. Sadly our easily distracted main stream media goes from one crisis to another like a bee collecting pollen and is always trying to satiate the appetite of a world with a short attention span. Keep up the good work.

Another great conversation!

Thanks, Jonathan. Great content. I am doing my best to support the spread of your channel. Let’s get it to 100 k!

Another great conversation of two men who know how important it is to support Ukraine. For Ukrainian population and the world to live in peace, democracy and independently. Thanks so much to both of you. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

Thank you so much 🙏🏻 its been a pleasure to listen to this one. Keep up the fighting for Ukraine 🇺🇦

A cut above nearly all other Ukraine-related content on RU-vid.

Thank you Jonathan, your interviews are ALWAYS thought provoking and informative, and thank you so much for introducing Robin.👍🏼

Mr. Fink, you are such a great interviewer! You can always draw the best out of your guests. Thank you for your work!

I just wish more people realised just how bad mainstream news is. Great to listen to Robin, I will certainly look for him in future.

The simplicity in the way #RobinHorsfall makes points, make it easy to make notes... for *us* to spread truth and write our representatives✍️🤔

Wonderful conversation, full of truth and hope for Ukraine's victory... Cheers !

Big Thank You for your excellent analysis!

Once again, an interview with so much lucidity and clarity I almost feel like I should be viewing it through sunglasses. I will be buying Mr. Horsfall's book in short order.

Hi, I am never going to disagree with YOU 👍 I lesson and Learn from your videos Thankyou for all your Hard work. Glory to Ukraine.

I watch this channel more and more often and I am more and more surprised how close the views presented by your interviewees are to what we think in Poland. Be assured that in a few years (if decisions on Polish defence are still made in Poland) we will be ready with large infantry units saturated with anti-tank, anti-aircraft weapons and drone systems. Thank you for another great interview!

Thank you very much for your work. It is extremely important that we do not forget the truth and our basic values. Russia and its aggression must be stopped. J J M, Luleå, Sweden.

Thank you both so much! I have just come to realise there is not only the Economics of Scale; there's also such a thing as the Morals of Scale. We must have lost awareness of it, since the end of World War Two.

Thank you love the channel I’m following along I’m so disappointed with our leaders they have really bent Ukraine over the barrel I’m a true believer in their cause and aware totally aware of Putins Russia invasive mentality and quest for expanding their land wealth and resource

Thanks for yet another excellent interview

Just one thought that popped up during this conversation: We've seen many people talk about how it's not Ukraine learning from NATO how to fight "the next war", it's NATO that will have to learn from Ukraine, now. Could it be that politicians in the west have not accepted this reality yet and are, instead of going all-in, still hesitant and in denial, because it's kind of "embarrassing" to admit we had it wrong and we should have started to listen to Ukraine a long time ago?

Yet another top shelf interview/discussion 😊

Excellent discussion. Thank you.

As Robin points out UKR is also up against poor quality politicians and journalists.

Another fantastic conversation, Robin reminds me of Gen. Ben Hodges but more on the pessimistic side, the topics are sobering yet important. Ukraine really matters, despite its being largely forgotten or pushed aside by mainstream media, even in Taiwan. We in Taiwan could learn a lot from the Ukrainians, just in case someone from the other side of the strait decides to turn the island red with communism. Slava Ukraine.

Wholeheartedly agree. It is good to hear intelligent thinkers and speakers on this matter. Unfortunately many people, and the media, in the West just 'want it to go away'. After the initial WWIII fears and nuclear war, many have sought comfort with ignorance, and head in the sand, therefore thinking the war is over, unimportant or unlikely to escalate - all wrong. Now is probably one of the most critical points of the war where increasing western support and weapons could avoid even worse consequences later. Russia wins, Ukraine capitulates, and the world is in a much more dangerous place. We might get a two year respite but all that is happening is Putin and Russia are replenishing their war stock ready for the next round. Even worse if Trump wins and stands back that leaves Europe in real danger. You cannot appease aggressors. Some people in the West - a lot in the US Republican party - think you can throw Ukraine like a piece of meat to Russia. That beast is never satiated.

At 22 comments, thought I’d add , God bless our Armed services You always do us proud ..thank you 🙏. 🇬🇧

Very good talk show, where Good made points all around thank you guys for this good program it was entertaining and knowledgeable. Slava Ukraine and the Free World !!!!

Thanks for your conversations, in the southern hemisphere the coverage of the war in the media is scant. So I rely on You Tube channels for my information, keep up the brilliant work, Slava Ukraine.

When does a tyrant know he is beaten? Possibly never, since their policy is errant from the earliest

I fully agree. Ukraine must win. And because they have limited manpower, winning sooner is MUCH better than ever 6 months later. While there is a delicate balance needed to avoid nuclear exchanges, it is not the danger that some make. In war, there needs to be a decisive movement towards victory on one side. It is a messy business at best and early clear victories are in everyone's interest.

Your guest is absolutely right about Putin's involvement in the Hamas attack on Israel on 7th of October.

What a good rant! Would whish the politicans would see this and ( Listen to the ones who know what is going on)! Let me say this, this is one of the best interviews so far i have seen, and i have seen manny! Insuranse is expensive! But! When you need it, its nice!

❤- Mr Horsfall understandings I thought were stoically insightful..[ and please-‘rant on’ ] ❤

Always the best commentary thank you

Oh! I just noticed that you've started adding chapters. Thanks!

🇦🇺💙💛✌ 🇺🇦 The West cannot be distracted from Ukraine. Whilst events in Israel and Gaza are tragic and divisive, it will be relatively short lived. Ukraine DOES represent the front line for much of Europe and clearly Putin having made a huge blunder now has nothing to lose. Russia's playbook is obvious, he wants a pause not an end or peace.

Excellent, ty.

Thanks for great show!!!!

This man got me to subscribe here... Just sayin' 🤷 💛🇺🇦💛🇺🇦💛🇺🇦💛

"The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds." All of them vanished by dust of time. Carl Sagan

JUST WHAT WE GET FROM THE BEST THANK YOU

Kudos to you, Jonathan, for keeping up the fight every day. Thank you for another good interview.

Jonathan; I continue to marvel at the eclectic nature of your guests. How do you identify them and get them onto your channel?

Excellent interview, just ordered the book.

A great man. What is wrong with our politicians.

Very good interview.

Hey Jonathan, I'm a big fan of ATP Geopolitics...I'm sure you're familiar with this channel. It would be interesting for the 2 of you to do a discussion.

Completely agree with the discussion on Johnson. Refreshing to hear two clever brains not following the media line and soap opera against an inspiring PM.

Very interesting interview packed with information

Marvellous interview again Jonathan and for me he made several incredibly important points. That there are some of us - but not enough - who just feel such an overpowering sense of the moral imperative that Ukraine wins. I feel somewhat puzzled - like the two of you do - that clearer leadership is not more forthcoming: he was right too that whatever the overall package is that we got with BJ, no one surely can criticise his initiative in unequivocally supporting Pres Ze from the outset. As was said, the current leadership looks like a bunch of accountants by comparison - unsurprisingly since that's more or less what they are. Seeing a young Sunak interviewed at about 15, talking about his aristocratic friends and his investment portfolio and how he wanted to be PM - an embarrassing, ordinary geeky posh kid, DESPERATE to be accepted and exhibiting all the pretensions and insecurities of the second generation immigrant. The father's made good and determined to give young Rishi the best head start in life possible. Doesnt exactly inspire confidence whereas BJ, on Ukraine at least, did. During the late spring and early summer, I railed furiously on the Times Radio channel at France and Germany taking their sweet time to join hands with the weapons packages....in fact France continued SELLING arms to RUSSIA till the end of April last year. Why Biden and Stoltz, especially, are being now so pusillanimous I find strange. While i CAN just about accept that Germany cares about the optics, i just dont really get why Biden is being so cautious. Yes i've heard the arguments about Russia counterbalancing an otherwise overweening China, I've heard the concerns that the nuclear arsenal poses a major global threat if it falls into to the wrong hands during a crumbling Russia - yet at the same time, that didnt happen last time and anyway, Russia doesnt have any working nukes - they've all fallen to dust by now. With Iran inching closer to cracking the nuclear tech - now would seem the ideal time to do a bit of mischief making of our own and get another major protest in Iran, just like the fairly recent one triggered by the death of that young woman....maybe give Iran something to think about too, and divert its attention away from helping Russia..... Also, Russia has so consistently lied and been shown to break any and all agreements when expedient to do so, why is ANYONE pushing for peace talks now? It was an interesting point that was raised too that you both knew journalists who were not on the Russian payroll yet were using this bloody stupid word "balance" again. I roll my eyes in disbelief and perhaps that helps explain why i wrote such a strange and graphic post in the comments here the other day - while graphic descriptions of Medieval torture, as i envisage them happening to Putin, may well dismiss me "not suitable for public consumption on the airwaves - it does speak to truth about how convinced i am of the absolute requirement for Ukraine to win - and for the USA and Germany to stop farting about. It is heartbreaking to hear during this chat about just how wide an opportunity could not be helped but to be missed by the Ukrainians simply because of the lack of matériel. However, I'm encouraged by the fact Russia's dynamos are showing the first signs of running low....i am desperate to see a Ukrainian made missile land on the Kremlin!! I was thinking of doing this and now having heard this I shall do it at the weekend - write to my MP.....

Very much to the point. The current state of affairs in Ukraine vs Russia starts to resemble the First World War. We all know how that one ended.

Liked as usual, excellent discussion. Compared to my rants, you both showed restraint.

Thank you for this video. I hesitated in watching in at first becauae of its length and what I viewed as lackluster credentials from your guest. I was pleasantly surprised, however, about how your guest cut through the usual bs and non-commital language we often get on this topic. I thought I was going crazy and that I was alone in my analysis of the media's dangerous two-siding and "only the facts and only those we deem inoffensive" approach. The people are smarter than this, they're capable of ascribing the right motives if given rhe right analyses.

The indicators for the West's goal to make Russia bleed and not win, but not Ukrainian victory either, have been visible from the beginning. Keeping Russia engaged, isolated, stuck and busy seems more useful to the West than a defeated Russia, as that would bring in more unknowns and associated risk. It's just unfortunate that Ukrainian lives are being sacrificed for this status quo. In a way I can understand the logic, but it doesn't feel right or courageous.

Great conversation, I wish more Americans were on the same page.

Yes. Seems to me there should be more explicit emphasis that US support for Ukraine is a national security issue, not a “foreign aid” issue.

Very well done. Ordered the book from Amazon.

another fantastic conversation.

Well Said Sir !

TRUTH

Saying that Russian military is stuck in the 1960's is to say it's the same as in WWII but with tactical missiles...mind set still lacking any concern for their own population now or consequences in even worse demographics in the immediate future.

Silicon Curtain , Thanks Much !..

I am already impressed , at 3:50.

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE INTERVIEW YOU DID THAT I DIDN'T ENJOY & GOT EDUCATED-SILICON CURTAIN-CAN'T WAIT TO SUPPORT YOUR CHANNEL

Great interviews. It would be nice if the video of you were clearer.

👍👍👍

Thank you for another excellent interview

10:26 I remember that IT Crowd episode

These books need to be in bookshops. For people to see as they walk around. I do not use Amazon. And still like to borrow from libraries and wander around bookshops.

I had no idea that the Hamas attack was on the anniversary of Anna Politkovskaya's murder. It was reading her book, a year after she died that was the beginning of my interest in all of this.

I enjoyed your mutual ranting! I would like to put in a plug for Mastodon where one doesn't have to post within the confines of a corporate-dictated language.

A resounding 93% of Swedish people support sending arms to Ukraine. (Highest figure in Europe in August 2023.) And Sweden is now very openly preparing all aspects of society for possible war. I think most understand that unless Russia is defeated in Ukraine, the war will just move closer to Sweden. The atacks on the Nordstream pipelines and recently other Baltic seabed connections between Finland, Estonia and Sweden, have already happened, and anyone understands those are already acts of war - just only not overtly declared as such. I think from a Swedish perspective, the question is how fast is it practically possible to expand the armed forces and defence production. It's not about the money. I do expect there will be more discussions on the costs and needed systemic changes for other things like pharmaceutical supplies. Personally I wish Europe would have acted stronger already in 2008 with Georgia. At least Sweden and others did act with increased military aid to Ukraine starting from 2014. Helping with restructuring and transitioning Ukraine's armed force's into a modern western style military. Otherwise things would have been much worse now. Overt acts of war in Europe would then have been somewhere beyond Ukraine's borders already.

100 percent right history is going to condemn this our role in this

Johnathan, please ask Robin to buy a HD camera

Thanks

I hated Johnson, but was shocked that something so minor brought him down. They tried the same thing on Califotnia Governor Gavin Newsom, but he survived.

The need for fighting men is a spot on point, but that doesn't work so well when nations are breeding wimps. My thought is that military academies for grade school levels need to be revived, possibly even mandated at the federal level, but managed much more locally. These academies would supplement big government schools, but more importantly would provide an alternative that teaches the value of things like masculinity, warrior spirit, responsible use, rather than irrational fear, of weaponry, et cetera. Furthermore, such academies would neither admit its students by compulsion or by who has money, but by merit and voluntary both going in and whether or not each graduate chooses military service afterward. However, such groundwork would, as was successful historically, be provided advantages of advancement if they were to continue with a military profession.

The fall of Sanna Marine in Finland looks a bit similar to Boris Johnson in the UK, by miss-crediting.

Was Robin in 2 Para shooting team Nishan 1976? I was in the 3 Para team.

They are winning.

because the social media NKVD will just love you to death if you use irony. Really appreciate this interview, good men standing and writing against tyrrany.

What may happen this winter on the front?

26:00 about opposition bloggers is spot on.

The assertion that Roosevelt delayed American entry into WW2 for the purpose of weakening the British Empire is absurd. Isolationism was a potent political force right up to the very day of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt had considerable trouble in passing Lend Lease, Selective Service and in furthering American rearmament. At the time in question, when Britain's survival was in doubt, his priority in regard to Britain was to strengthen, not weaken her. He needed Britain as a strong ally and point d'appui, to say no more, when he would finally be able to bring America into the War, an involvement that he regarded as inevitable. Mind you, Roosevelt was no friend of the Empire, but that only became apparent later when it was clear that the War would be won. I'm sorry, but that marred an otherwise excellent interview.

I'm 100% behind support for Ukraine, we should have given far more earlier and be giving far more now. And... a fellow has to make a living, but...the first few minutes were somewhat squirm-inducing - if the message is important to get out, don't charge for it. That written, Robin is spot-on. 👍

Dear Jonathan, as a follower of your insights, may I suggest hosting another person who has spoken the plain truths without "censorship" for many years regarding creeping far Left Fascism and fashionable anti-semitism. Pat Condell. Direct, articulate, and demonised for being pro- democracy by the "Liberal media" Keep the focus on the plight of Ukraine in these perilous times.

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OH PLEASE just because boris did something right it was only because he saw an opportunity to get the focus off of his overwhelming incompetence and corruption.

Top Man.

Robin Hosfall, plx get on youtube!

Where did they broach the title: underestimating how destructive and long Moscow's aggression could be.

Forgot to click the "like" button.

What really needs to be discussed, is how Putin loses, even if he defeats Ukraine. He is losing control of the outer republics who realize they are being exploited and denied their benefits. A post war Putin has to deal with hundreds of thousands of widows and disaffected returning veterans that will be passing the word of what happened. Putin nay survive the war, but not the post-war.

If Ukraine had been given A10 Warthogs and ammunition prior to Russia turning up at Kyiv, Putin would have realised immediately that he was in serious trouble. Would his ego let him accept that it was such a big blunder he should desist?

Don't use this, don't use that. He just took the fun out of commenting! Sorry, had to write it.