'Roger Clemens should be banned from the HOF for sheer stupidity' - Stephen A. | First Take 

Ken Griffey Jr Should have been the first 1st unanimous HOF'er

For Stephen A, the decision is so clear... it's black and white.

Bonds before Steroids = Yes he is a HOFamer Clemens before Steroids = Yes he is a HOFamer

*If Bonds or Clemens make the HOF next year or in two years, they have to give Pete Rose a ballot*

Barry Bonds hit 73 homers in 2001. Idgaf what you take that's amazing

When Stephen A Smith says Clemens should be banned from the HOF for pure stupidity, Bonds fits that same category. He was a clear Hall of Famer at the time he started using, and wanted that kind of recognition?? Why tarnish your career? That is the problem with the people thst think steroid users should be in. They tarnished their own careers, and this is the consequence.

I miss max so much. I would still watch first take if he was there

"SENATOR! I was never on steroids! I just bigger and stronger the older i got!"

Both Roger & Barry should be in the HOF. As should Pete Rose. All did more then enough before any " scandal " to warrant admission.

Borderline Clemens HOFer b4 Toronto!?!? Max with all due respect WTF are you smoking?! He was already in case closed..

Bonds Black (Yes); Clemens (White) no. Typical Stephen A.

How do they justify allowing Ivan Rodriguez and Jeff Bagwell into the HOF? You're either gonna let juicers in or youre not and they've already opened the door.

Rodger Clemens, Barry Bonds and Stephen A Smith should all be banned from TV and the hall of fame......... As far as I'm concerned, Roger Maris is still the homerun king !!!!!

No one: Roger Clemens: Sure wish someone would investigate me

molly lookin confused af lool

Shocker that SAS says no to Clemens and yes to Bonds.

Talking about baseball yet have no real baseball analyst on, where's Buster Olney ?

0:33 Notice how they show Clemens as a Blue Jay and not a Red Sox or a Yankee LOL.

I enjoy the excitement Max exudes when talking baseball.

Clemens comparably was more than borderline HOF before coming to TO. He had killer seasons in Boston except the last 2

Neither Rodger Clemens or Barry Bonds ever tested positive for steroids ever

It was an era of steroids. We don't know who or for how long anybody was on them. Clemens faced juiced batters, Bonds faced juiced pitchers. They both dominated the era. In and in!

If stupidity caused a person to be banned, Stephen A would long since have been off the tele!

I still remember when he whipped the broken bat at mike piazza. That was crazy

Roger Clemens was a "borderline" hall of famer before he got to Toronto? Name a pitcher with 3 Cy Young awards and a league MVP who isn't in the Hall of Fame....

"They're both a hall of famers?"

SAS has ZERO credibility on this issue. Have a nice day!

Roger Clemens is the first pitcher I remember being a star. He had his own video game as a pitcher for christ sakes.. Baseball is a joke without the PEDs

How in the fuck are you going to put in Barry Bonds and leave out Roger Clemens?

Stephen A “Clemens should not get in, bonds should” One of the greatest hitters ever, one of the most dominant pitchers ever. Both juiced but only one gets in SAS? 1 guy is black, 1 guy is white. There’s your answer of why Stephen A feels this way

This episode shows exactly why Stephen a smith had to get rid of maxi lol 😂

Clemens definitely is a dummy for exposing himself but I think both should be in. When everyone is on the juice is it really cheating?

This is why you can't take Major League Baseball, and especially the Baseball Hall of Fame seriously

I love when max talks peds cause he knows first hand coming from boxing. I’d love to see him expose Lebron next

Clemens had a dominant second half of the 1996 season, stuck out 20 in a game near the end of the season. He was dominant in '94. When he was healthy, he was dominant. The two things that significantly altered his stats were pitching for the Yankees (ERA went up, strikeouts down) and pitching for the Astros (ERA way down facing NL hitting, no DH). The increase in muscle mass seen in Bonds, McGwire, Bagwell, Galaraggra, Dykstra, Ortiz, and Sosa didn't happen, either. I was expecting Clemens to have the kind of season

Molly is soooooooooooooo BADDDDDDDD! lord Jalen is lucky. lmao

Roger Clemens threw at batters heads something even Nolan Ryan or Gibson never did. He's a hot head. He threw a broken bat at Piazza for crying out loud.

Max is finally right! His argument is spot on. I was saying the same thing years ago. Bond's statistics were hall of fame numbers prior to his extreme physical change. His numbers as a skinny Pittsburgh Pirate in the early 90's were top notch. Clemens as a Red Sox in the late 80's and early 90's are hall of fame worthy as well. To me in this argument it looked as though Stephen realized Mac's argument was on point and he jumped in at the end and made acknowledgement that he agreed and was thinking the same thing even though he didn't discuss it that way. "Mo" the Yankee (no a New York fan at all) closer very much deserves that honor and 1st ballot election. He epitomized what a closer should be and he excelled at it every year he played. Most closers are lucky to put together a hand ful a years before they are released or moved to middle relief. Rivera is the GOAT at that specific role. Congratulations to him.

Then from Max's logic here...Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame? Take the career before the screw ups?

I misremember

Cal ripken shouldve been the first unanimous selection 2 gold gloves,few errors in a season,400 home runs,3000 hits and 2632 and changed the position of ss forever

Clemens belongs in the Hall.

I think they both deserve to be in the HOF based on their numbers and achievements. Listen, no one in the Hall is squeaky clean. They all did some stuff, but they got in based on their numbers and achievements.

Smith needs to realize Clemens and Bonds were both dominant at two very fucking different things

Hank Aaron is the true home run king. Neither should be allowed in.

“And/or what have you”

Nobody period who has used peds should be allowed in the hof. Don't care if any of them were hof candidates before they started using. Your basically telling young men and women that's ok to cheat to get an advantage. According to SAS, if other people get accolades you should be allowed to use....fyi SAS, it's not ok.

Bonds came into the league a 176 lb. Slap hitting base stealer and left a 240 lb. HR king with a head the size of a watermelon. NO JUICEHEADS IN THE HALL.

Why do these people shout and scream ?

Max...you say all of that about the baseball dudes, but what about your boy LeBron James? I know he supposedly is hurt now, but James is doing things normal NBA players his age weren't and aren't doing now. James was playing more minutes in his 30's than in his 20's. Putting up crazy numbers, but the fan boy Lebron James Crew never questions it. Why? Look at how much money MLB took in durring the post strike steroid era. ESPN was broadcasting the games and blowing up the highlights, while trying to act as though they were investigating the stetoid scandal. You media guys are some of the biggest hypocrites. Everyone benefited from those guys juicing, and the scandal you created by outing them. This is just one reason why a lot of folks don't pau attention to nothing that cones from the mainstream media. You guys love exposing folks, calling them out and putting yourselves on a pedestal, like you're righteous, but you'll never come out and expose yourselves. For instance, we know sports are "manipulated". You won't expose it, because you are in bed with the various entities. You broadcast and promote their product, why would you. There is tons of proof, and I know you guys monitor it, that sports are manipulated to ensure certain outcomes. So what these players did steroids. If it hadn't been that "chicks dig the long ball" era, you guys and MLB might not have recovered from the strike of 1994 and then what? Instead of blasting these players whi helped to put money and resources in "your" pockets, you should be quiet and Thank them for damaging their bodies for a larger piece of the bigger pie ESPN, FOX, and the other broadcast parteners and sponsors enabled YOU to have after the fact. Stop ragging on these dudes and give them a bit of enjoyment of being recognized for being pretty damn good. A lot of players did it and still sucked. The juice didn't make a guy who couldn't pitch be able to get guys out, nor a hitter who couldn't hit be able to consistantly put his bat on the ball. You guys know that. Its just everyday, in some way, the media has to say to us, we control everything, you just shut up and listen. This is the root of a lot of the idiology spewed upon us from you.

I find it ironic that writers gave Bonds 4 consecutive MVP without questioning whether he juiced or not. Then writers deny him entrance to the HOF.

He should have retired in "03 but decided to comeback and got greedy and he would have gone into the Hall of fame before the PED stuff.

Max is missing or just flat out ignoring a crucial point, and that is the question of integrity and how much weight it holds. Yes, Barry Bonds was already a Hall of Famer based on what he did before PEDs, but the question is whether integrity matters.

Nope. SAS is wrong here. Both Bonds and Clemens should be in the Hall of Fame.

None of them should be in hof

This video from 10 years ago popped up....

Doesn't matter. They both cheated. Plain and simple. What BOTH these men forget is the effect these two players had on OTHER players' careers. Imagine if Bonds had won that World Series against the Angels.... The Angels one time of glory wouldn't exist and we'd just be like "eesh, sorry, sucks to be you." It's just crazy to say, "oh, these guys were hall of famers anyway." Ok, so? If I have $500M already and then I start defrauding people to become a billionaire... I'm an asshole and I'm a criminal. And it doesn't matter that I was rich before I began committing fraud. These guys don't deserve to be in the HoF. Pete Rose at least never actually cheated to increase his performance and he's not in the HoF. Why should these guys be allowed in?

Stephen a Smith is doing black versus white again this is getting old now

Clemens pitched nearly 5K inning...Mariano pitched just over 1200. I love Mariano but gimme a break. Stop the comparisons. Put them all in.

I thought Roger Clemens was Bill Eve on methamphetamine.

If there was a white man saying that Roger clemens should get in but not Barry because of sheer stupidity How do you think that would go?

Money, greed, selfishness, hype, social media, has destroyed pro sports

Funny me and max have similar views. Just eliminate all their stats from when they started juicing, then make decision based on that

And not only did Barry Bonds or Rodger Clemens ever test positive for steroids they were also found not guilty for lying in a court of law about taking steroids

Bonds started doing PED's in 1993 to my best estimation. That's when he went to SF and had 46 home runs which was his most ever to that point. The most he had before that was 34. The year that PED's were in full swing around the league was 96. A lead off hitter named Brady Anderson had 50 HR's that year and never more than 24 any other year.

The rules of voting for the HOF include “integrity, sportsmanship and character.” It doesn’t say to consider those for only part of a player’s career, before they became cheaters. A guy like Pete Rose fails on integrity, as well as being permanently ineligible. If people want an HOF that doesn’t instruct voters to take these factors into account, then they should try to get the rules changed, or found their own HOF. The fact that these guys aren’t coming out and blaming the few admitted cheaters, like Canseco, for ruining it for all of the clean guys indicates their guilt, in my mind. They also have a beef against MLB for cheering on the achievements they accomplished while juicing.

Who are you to say roger clemens is lying.

They might add a separate PED section in Cooperstown.

Bonds cheating was so beyond clear when watching the game...it was watching Sosa and McGwire.

Barry The GOAT Period! Let the man in he was a HOFamer before he touched anything! 73 joints out the park in 2001... Nobody ain’t touching that and it’s been 18 years. Idc for Roger Clemens.... plus Barry never dropped dirty.

Balco in the house lol

Can we also talk about Sosa and McGuire still being on the ballot? They're also juicers.

Question what year is A-Rod has a chance to get in the hof , making a prediction he will get n first try and Bonds and Clemens too the year of the ped

All I can say is if they can take a title away from a school for a sex scandal then how come these juicers don't get their stats and awards taken away?

All this crap with the hall of fame is sports writers trying to be more important than they are.

Barry never got caught and he admitted to using cream that wasn’t banned at the time, but there’s no way he was just using the cream, Cream won’t make your head that size lol. Either way I think he should’ve been a first ballot for sure and for Rivera to be the first unanimous and bonds not even make it is a disgrace

Why would Clemens be less worthy than Bonds ? Clemens I believe was using for recovery and Bonds for performance enhancement

Clemens should be banned for throwing a bat.

Clemens is the greatest pitcher all time. Bonds is the best hitter. I was blessed to witness greatness

stupidity: when you mention a pitcher who pitched for 24 seasons and won 7 cy young awards not deserving to be in the hall of fame so you can deliver an admittedly funny line about sheerness.

Picking and choosing which cheaters belong in the HOF and which ones don't is wrong. They don't belong in. Letting a known cheater in will open up an ugly can of worms. Keep them out.

The greatest pitcher ever. Period. Put him in.

Mario & Frankco👏👏👏

My only issue with this situation. Before steroids, it was speed. And retired players have said there was a bowl with pills in the clubhouses. So MLB looks past that era but want to penalize the steroid era.

Roger Clemens said in an interview that he did not care about getting into the HOF. Respect his wish and you kill two birds with one stone. (The great, GREAT Bob Feller who BEFORE he graduated from high school was playing for the Cleveland Indians said put Clemens into the HOF you can take me out. Feller struck out 15 in his first MLB start at the age of 17 y/o.)

Both Clemens and Bonds NEVER tested positive for steroids.

...and rocking the Boa Constrictor around his neck even.

Stepehen Smith said, From Day #1 Bonds was a HOF and we knew? He was good early in his career but after 4 years in the league had a .256 Avg. I don't think everyone knew he was a sure fire HOF'er back then.

At what point was Pete Rose's career of HOF stats? Is that how your saying it should be determined?

So Mariano Rivera is the 1st unanimous hall of famer being a closer and only pitching a inning or two???

Mariana Rivera game 4 bottom of 9, 2004 ALCS 😞

So your lesson for today kids is steroids bad. Remember the good old days when they just did amphetamine's.

The entire era was called the Steroid Era. Who knows who was on and was not on Steroids.

I like Max's method of evaluating this

Stephen's Bond excuse is what is "stupid"

Maybe there should be 3 Hall Of Fames: HOF1 = Likely no cheating HOF2 = Likely cheated HOF3 = Busted Cheaters Clemons, Bonds, Maguire, Sosa can all make the HOF3. Now nobody can argue

Roger top twenty best Yankee pitcher all time

So you’re telling me Bonds should be in the Hall of Fame but Roger Clemens shouldn’t? That amount of hypocrisy in that statement. Both were no doubt amazing players, both no doubt were the best players of their Era, but both Players did PED’s, hence why both players should not be in the hall. You cannot make the argument that Bonds belongs in the HOF but Roger Clemens shouldn’t when their situations are practically the same.

Clemens, Bonds, what about when A-Rod and Big Papi are on the ballot in 2020. Bring a real Baseball analyst on this show someone who knows more about the game than just the names Stephen A.

Max is right! Judge the man statistically before the steroid allegations and decide if he's a HOF.