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Calvinism is patently wicked - and false. Augustine mixed manacheaism,Greek fatalism w/a light dusting of Christian language to come up with this satanic horror. Calvin was a violent,oppressive dictator far worse than the pope he claims he despise.He also said baptism saved him! It is pure pseudo intellectual nonsense

Me too! Years of depression and anxiety without hope. I couldn't even just end it all because then I would face damnation faster! Talk about a dismal view. But God revisited this with me and used Leighton Flowers to do it. Praise God for the truth!

I will never forget the first time I read Romans 9. I have never been in such a spiritual pit.

Same here!

God has not given us a spirit of bondage again to fear, but of love and power and of a sound mind. It is the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry Abba, Father ! God is a Spirit and they that worship Him MUST worship Him in spirit and in truth, for the Father seeks such to worship Him. Whom the Son makes free shall be free indeed. We are to approach and worship God not in the oldness of the Letter but in the Newness of the Spirit. Calvinism mixes law with grace, which is impossible.God is not the author of confusion. Every good gift and every perfect gift comes down from the Father of lights with whom is no variablness or shadow of turning. Jesus is the central theme of the Gospel. God has reconciled mankind to Himself by the death of His Son. We as His ambassadors are to beseech men to be reconciled to God.Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Jesus is Lord of All !

Thank you. I will look it up.

Going to check out right now....thanks 😊

Yes, it is great!

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I went and watched this sermon you recommended (2 yrs later). Thanks, it was great.

Hey ,do you mind if I ask, what your views are on this now?, and have you heard of Dr Andrew Farley and Andrew Farley live?🎶 If you can find it, I made a couple comments previous to this one that you might find interesting.

For what it is worth, this is how I am able to understand it. The Bible mentions about as many times our need to choose, as it does the principle that we are predestined. So how can these two statements be compatible? Fortunately, most of the times predestination (or other similar principles) is mentioned, it adds the statement “through Jesus Christ.” This is the key phrase to understanding this principle. So how does it work? As far as I know, I didn’t exist before the beginning of time, so it is very difficult for me to imagine how I could have been predestined before the beginning of time, when I didn’t exist. However, I did have a representative who did exist before the beginning of time, and that is Jesus. So when Jesus came to our world as a man from Heaven, it is very easy for me to understand that He was predestined to return to eternity in Heaven. So when I decided to accept Jesus’ salvation, and His Spirit came into my life, I inherited his predestined position with His heavenly father in Heaven. So when we choose to accept Christ, we become predestined “through Jesus Christ.”

God must be always angry if one goes with Calvinism. For they say that God commands us to obey, but only gives a few the ability to do so, and the others He condemns to an eternity in hell. This is just not a just God to anyone's understanding. And most Calvinists don't really know what Calvin taught. If they did they would not be Calvinists. Christ wasn't:)

@@removingveils5824 exactly!

One problem with non-Calvinists, they put all of them in one box. God seen the fall before it happen and planned a RESCUE for some (the Elect). Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee (the Devil) and the woman (Mary), and between thy seed (the non-Elect) and her seed (Christ); it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel (The Cross). A PICTURE OF THE CROSS; God's rescue for man (His Gift to Christ). God knew Christ would have to die so God gave His Son the Elect. John 17:9-10 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me (Eph. 1:4 chosen before the foundation); for they are thine (belong to God). And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them (THE ELECT). God is also HOLY in His judgement from Gen. 2:17 (the punishment of death) bc of the choice of Adam in Rom. 5:12 (sin and death passed to all). God calls all to repentance in 2Peter 3:9 but only the ones God calls by the Holy Ghost will hear and believe. The non-Elect will hear but bc of the blindness of the world the non-Elect will reject Christ. They are still held accountable for their unbelief. God did not send them to hell, the choice of Adam did that. God did not predestined them to hell, the choice of Adam did that. All of us would GO TO HELL if God did not RESCUE some of us by His GRACE AND MERCY. God did not choose the Elect bc He seen good or evil we will do. God did not choose us bc He knew we would believe. Like the murderer Paul, God choose him to show God's LOVE and MERCY on His Elect that Christ would be GLORIFIED through His Elect. Why did God choose Paul? So we could see the GLORY of GOD in what GOD done with Saul/Paul. Everything that the Elect has is bc of God through the blood of Christ. In Romans 9 God did not hate Esau as the word means to LOVE LESS. God loved Jacob more than He did Esau. Calvinist gives God the glory for choosing their salvation. We did not choose to be saved, GOD RESCUED US FROM HELL. Calvinist gives all Glory of their salvation to God. We did nothing to be saved as we deserve Hell. Now we have the free gift of salvation through the blood of Christ. All our sins are forgiven PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE by the blood of Christ. We do not live in fear of sin but in sinful flesh we struggle with our flesh to be more Christian. We do not fear hell as Christ paid all of it on the cross. Our anger is to our flesh as it is our nature to sin but we SHOULD NOT FEAR SIN. I am not a Calvinist as it is only a name. I stand on the doctrine of Election and the TU?IP. I do not believe in Limited or Unlimited Atonement but Sufficient Atonement. As it is Sufficient for EVERYONE, even the non-Elect, but only the Elect will accept it. Only God knows who the Elect are and THAT IS WHY WE PREACH TO THE WHOLE WORLD. ..

​@@FromSaultoPaul I'm sorry, but what would be the point for God to do all this and for man to respond? From anyone's point of view, the Calvinistic way of thinking or the doctrine of Election is kind of like a gamble or a game of chance but with our life. I hear what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense and doesn't align with the nature and character of God. The Calvinistic view of God is a God that I wouldn't want to serve or believe in because he seems so evil and mean. "Like I'm going to create all these people but I'm going to have some predetermined to go to hell because of the sin of Adam and the others (who also came from Adam) I'm going to select by chance and have them be the elect that I allow to go to heaven because they are the only ones selected as part of my rescue plan and everyone else wasn't for reasons only God knows". Now, why would he do that? That's purely wicked! This alone can't be biblical because Ezekiel 18 debunks this doctrine. Ezekiel 18:23-24:““Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign Lord. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live. However, if righteous people turn from their righteous behavior and start doing sinful things and act like other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten, and they will die for their sins.” Ezekiel 18:23-24 NLT People die for their own sins, not the sins of others and definitely not for the sins of Adam. Sin has entered because of Adam but we don't die because of his sin; we ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God-Romans 3:23. Like even the way you tried to justify 2 Peter 3:9 doesn't make sense. God is not an author of confusion, but some of the points you made don't make sense and do not align with the full character and nature of God especially when compared to other scriptures. In fact, this doctrine contradicts other straightforward. The gospel should be explained where a little child would understand. This doctrine if explained to a child would have them in all types of confusion. Of course, as we grow more with the Lord He reveals to us the bread and meat of His word but we all start off with milk. When it comes to salvation the Calvinistic point of view/ the doctrine of Election is not it. Let’s read the entire bible in its entirety to know and understand God and his entire character and nature that’s consistent throughout the word. God is a loving God and we see that consistency throughout the scripture. The God of Calvinists or those that believe in the doctrine of election doesn’t sound like a God that loves. If we don’t know/understand something or even agree with something ask God to reveal it to you in His word by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. He will not keep Himself from you if you are truly seeking Him for Him! Be Blessed!

@@FromSaultoPaul With all due respect, the god portrayed by Calvinsm is evil. Calvinism claims that all things happened because God predestined them to happen. People are not free to choose. It also claims that all descendants of Adam are under sentence of condemnation but God in His grace decides to save some. What caused Adam to sin in the first place? Was it Adam's choice to sin or did he sin because God compelled Him to? It must be one or the other. If God forced Adam to sin, how then would God be just in condemning Adam and his descendants? If God forced people to sin then punished them for doing so that would make Him evil. But if God gives people a choice and they choose to follow evil then that is their choice, not God's. As descendants of Adam, we have inherited a sin nature, but no one will be condemned based off of the sin of Adam, but rather as a consequence of their own sin. God has provided a remedy for sin through the death of His Son. All who come to Him in faith and repentance will be saved. Calvinsts claim that believing is a work, but it is not. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. He gives people faith and the ability to put that faith in Him if they so choose. If they choose to put that faith in Him, they will be saved. Not because they earned it by believing, but because God made a promise that those who put their faith in Jesus will be saved. God never breaks His word. Whatever He promises will come to pass.

@@paulmichael5021 True, but Calvin's Augustinian misinterpretation of certain passages in the Bible is destructive to the very nature of our Heavenly Father none the less.

Amen! Me too!

Once you discover how false the Calvinism doctrine really is, you will *never* go back lol.

@Stacy Caruso triggered

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True. Interestingly though it started with Augustine, then Anselm.

wrong. Your wrong and Calvin is right. There is no interpretation to the bible. It says what it means and means what it says. Calvinism is Biblical Christianty

@@jonanthony6179 stick around buddy, you'll see the light one day

@@TommyGunzzz LOL Thats funny Pal. Good luck with ur Arminium thinking. Your missing out

@@jonanthony6179 I'm not even Protestant lol, but it's enjoyable how much he dismantles Calvinism. What am I possibly missing out on, I went to a Christian undergrad that had an all Calvinist theology dept

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Nothing is mentioned in the verse about election to salvation

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Saved but not elected

@@paulelliott8062 correct!

Amen...i think the most profound theology I find these days are found under the subtle leaf of nuance His word, just sitting there, is saying plainly...kind of like a happy face just smiling back atchya.

The message to US is quite simple although the backstory behind the message is amazing and beyond our minds. But that doesn't stop people from grabbing parts of the backstory and jamming it into the message to convolute it. Satan and his minions have been working nonstop since their fall to thwart God's plan in every way imaginable and then some.

@@branch9422 the word is with you, proclaim it. Thats all God says.

Not even close.

LOL THE CRINGE

When God needed an Esther He raised an Esther , When God needed a man to expose Calvinism and destroy the TULIP He raised Flowers Leighton

Amén brother

Amén to that brother.

Paul Michael How does one become born again? Scripture is clear we’re born again through the circumcision made without human hands. It’s a spiritual operation of God in the Spirit WITH Christ at the centre. 0% man. 100% God. Man plays no part in the process of becoming born again which only happens AFTER man FREELY believes. That’s the only way to become born again is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Anyone who freely believes will be born again by the power of God and not of man. COLOSSIANS 2:10-13 10 And YE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 IN WHOM ALSO YE ARE CIRCUMCISED with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh BY THE CIRCUMCISION OF CHRIST: 12 BURIED WITH HIM IN BAPTISM, WHEREIN ALSO YE ARE RISEN WITH HIM THROUGH THE FAITH OF THE OPERATION OF GOD, WHO HATH RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD. 13 AND YOU, BEING DEAD in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, HATH HE QUICKENED TOGETHER WITH HIM, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES;

Paul Michael I agree it has nothing to do with the will of man did you even read what I said about 0% man/100% God? Did you read what I said about the operation of GOD without human hands? I think you’re conflating faith and believing in the Lord Jesus Christ with the princess of being born again. Can I ask you why you conflate the two when scripture does not? Faith happens BEFORE you are born again and has nothing to do with the operation I’m not quite sure why you think it does. Is driving yourself to the hospital to have heart surgery play any part in your heart surgery? No you’re out cold when the surgeon performs your heart surgery and you driving yourself to the hospital plays no part in the operation. Does the surgeon have to drive to your house and pick you up and take you to the hospital for him to get full credit for a successful operation? See how dumb your argument is? You need to stop conflating the two. Also that passage you quoted is exactly what I clearly stated I believe. Are you willing your heart surgery when you’re out cold on the operating table and the surgeon is performing your surgery? No. Major conflation abs confusion on your part.

Paul Michael Faith comes from God the same as our breath comes from God. Yes we could say that EVERYTHING is ultimately a gift from God. The very breath I’m breathing is a gift but God’s not forcing me to breath I can hold my breath if I want and even commit suicide by doing so. The fact is every man has the gift of breath and of many other things including a measure of faith required to believe that he needs to exercise in order to receive eternal life. You can choose to believe in Christ with that measure of faith or you can choose to believe in atheism (which I would actually argue requires MORE FAITH). Are you assuming not ever man has the faith required to believe in what God has done in initiating salvation for mankind by sending His Son? EVERYMAN has a measure of faith according to Romans 12:3 ROMANS 12:3 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as GOD HATH DEALT TO EVERY MAN THE MEASURE OF FAITH. Faith comes by HEARING. But according to you I’m guessing we don’t have the ability to hear. Hmmm that goes against the scriptures which tell us it comes by hearing. I thought a dead man can’t hear? ...According to Romans 10:8 faith is near even in our hearts: ROMANS 10:8 8 But what saith it? THE WORD IS NIGH THEE, even in thy mouth, and IN THY HEART: that is, the WORD OF FAITH, which we preach; ...According to John 5:24,25 A DEAD MAN IS ABLE TO HEAR AND BELIEVE AND PASS FROM DEATH TO LIFE: JOHN 5:24-29 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, HE THAT HEARETH MY WORD, AND BELIEVETH on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and NOW IS, when THE DEAD SHALL HEAR THE VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD: AND THEY THAT HEAR SHALL LIVE.

Aaron Pilkey oh my goodness, I am so clear in so many ways now. Now I know, if I have faith, everything follows because then it’s God who helps in conviction, sanctification and glorification. You are a true man of God.

Paul Michael that’s made up garbage. Here you can argue with scripture not me! Genesis 25: 23 ¶ And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

@@ea32da32 Have you ever read Malachi 1:21 in context? It very much is pitting one nation against another in that context. Yes the NT authors can shift emphasis of OT references but to say that's garbage means you have never read Malachi.

Josh Smith Malachi what? Look, if you want to believe modern day Calvinism is true, good luck with your wood, hay and stubble.

@@ea32da32 The very verse Paul is quoting... Mal 1:21 'Jacob I have loved, Esau I have hated.' Maybe go and actually do some research before you jump in guns blazing... sheeesh

Josh Smith you mean Malachi 1:2-3? In fact the reality is in both Obadiah and Malachi but you don’t comprehend the truth. Esau in his lifetime was blessed with wealth at least equal to his brother. You simply don’t get it and that’s ok. You worship a man made system and I simply avoid Calvinist, not that their not ok people, but their sold out to a false system. Genesis 25: 23 ¶ And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

@@paulmichael5021 he can not think

@@paulmichael5021?

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@@BloodBoughtMinistries yer learn what from it, boy

Calvinism is patently wicked - and false. Augustine mixed manacheaism,Greek fatalism w/a light dusting of Christian language to come up with this satanic horror. Calvin was a violent,oppressive dictator far worse than the pope he claims he despise.He also said baptism saved him!

Hey In you understanding did he love Esau and Jacob the same ?

@@Objectivetruth9122 lol. As humans yes. As nations, no. Remember- repeating proof texts from your gods is fun-but you must actually study scripture as a whole. Paul was talking about the two nations coming from the two men, one good, one evil. I have an idea! Read Roman 10:9-17. It will send your understanding of 9 back to hell where it belongs, as will John 3:15-18. As for Jake n Esau:“And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, And two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; And the one people shall be stronger than the other people; And the elder shall serve the younger.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭25:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

@@jupiterinletfreediving3 I agree on the fact that we should read the WHOLE BIBLE! Maybe you out to take that advice too! Romans 10 and John 3 are both talking about APPLICATION! No Calvinist denies that mankind has a responsibility to act upon what God is doing within them! Maybe hyper C but they’re off the edge and don’t represent Calvinism or true Christianity at all. In order to understand application though you have to start with context and understanding of God’s role ! And as Jesus said “no one comes to me unless the father draws him John 6:44 this doesn’t void Romans 10 or John 3 but only shows what happens before you get to the point of putting your faith in Jesus. Don’t believe this then you contradict- “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.” ‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:26‬ ‭. And also - “ He made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-it is by grace you have been saved.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭ God took out our heart of stone and gave us a heart of flesh so we could respond! Why couldn’t we respond before he did that? Because we were DEAD In our sins! And he MADE us alive In Christ! It would behoove you to study Malachi 1 where it clearly points out that it wasn’t just nation” as you believed but also as a person, and Hebrews 12 where it states “ dont be like Esau who sought repentance and find it NOT!! And also study the encounter of nicodemus and Jesus! How are we born again? The wind “spirit “ blows where it wills” if you don’t think you need to have the Holy Spirit convict you of sin in order to come to a place of repentance then You sir are taking credit for something the Holy Spirit did! And also your idea of free will, are you not focusing on your response instead of giving glory to Christ who saved you?? Honestly you and I both need to adhere to scripture FULLY!!! If not Matthew 7 :21-23 applies to us. Those he speaks of did not have correct theology but worshipped the god of they’re imaginations, Maybe you outta go lightly of condemning theology to hell! I don’t think you have the theological discernment needed to make that statement.

@Stacy Caruso I love God's Sovereignty! But I will concede that I do not fully understand it.

@@lBaerdeLouisYAna " I chose to give up my feelings to believe what the scriptures were saying." ...Then you're no longer a Calvinist or Arminianist, you're a Biblicist.

No, the hill you have to die on is “ is faith a gift.” If it is, then Calvinism is true

@@sovereigngrace9723 Don't you mean saving faith?

@@PhilGeissler yes, saving faith and the spiritual gift of faith.

Does it make sense or seem right to believe God who is defined as love, would literally hate someone for no reason?

read the bible WITHOUT looking through a Calvinist lens. See if you find Calvin in it. You won’t. No early church father believed anything like what Calvinism insinuates. It wasn’t until Augustine 350 years later that the idea of predestination comes up. Calvin was cribbing off of Augustine, btw. Calvin was a lawyer who became a priest at the dawn of the Reformation and jumped on the bandwagon, as baby Christians often do. He immediately wrote a bunch of books with his interpretation of scripture because he wanted to start a new church where he, Calvin, would be the Pope of that new church. Most people would immediately reject such a person. (And so everyone did at the time except for a small band of followers in France.) Calvinism is anathema. About 5% of Christians worldwide ascribe to Calvinism, and most of them are in the US which makes it seem much more mainstream than it is. It isn’t.

Would God create people for the sole purpose of creating them to be sent to hell? The bible Says hell was made for the devil& demons. God came to bring life and it more abundantly. One can except the gospel or reject it "choose this day, whom you will serve."

100% agree

@@danieljohnson5742 thanks

Did he end up watching this video? What did he say?

Be the one... there are no good preachers anymore.

JD Farag or Behold Israel or Andy Woods🙂

That's a really good clear way of putting it Nicholas 👍

Bingo

Great post. The Calvinists think because they can find things that God did, that proves their point.

Hebrews 6:4 is about service, growing in your faith and not remaining a babe in Christ. Start from chapter 5 and pay attention to the language until you get to the end (or midway) of chapter 5. Hebrews 10:26 is about Hebrew Christians going back to the law, trying to be justified by Jewish sacrificial offerings. It's talking about that specific sin, not any other sin.

Look up AW Tozer willful sinning no sacrifice

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One can be saved anywhere any time..

Doh..so much time *