That's the beauty of this interaction. They both knew the other was up to something, and they both knew the other knew that they knew. It's all an act, a game that they're playing, and it's fascinating to see.
Andreas Katsulas as Commander Tomalak seemed to be set up as Picard's nemesis across the Neutral Zone. But the actor was taken up playing G'Kar on Babylon 5. And Katsulas also played politeness very well, with a coating of oiliness and a dash of menace.
He was also the Enterprise's tactical officer in Star Trek Generations. "Sir, a Klingon Bird of Prey is decloaking off the port bow!" Sirol went from Romulan captain.....to spy!!
David Hinton Oh, yes, and the passive aggression was just exquisite. I wonder why the writers went that route. Usually Romulan captains were much blunter.
I think mine is the one with Tomalak in The Defector. The acting is superb from both men throughout that whole scene and fully highlights everything I love about captain Picard and TNG. The use of the musical score during that scene is absolutely incredible as well with my favorite part being the subtle horn that plays from the Klingon theme right before Picard orders Worf to signal the Klingons to decloak when the theme fully kicks in.
@@nunyabeeswax303 you have to remember the shield strength and additional destructive force your weapons have when captained by Jean Luc Picard. Dude is a HIGH level. Been grinding for years.
"Lmao Romulans are rubbish" *phaser fire slices up the outside of Enterprises' saucer section* "hahaha Starfleet has much to learn about no-scoping" *starts cloaking/decloaking rapidly in lieu of teabagging* *enterprise drops like 4 torpedoes on it's engineering section and it explodes in a ball of fire* "bruh quit using the noob tube!"
It's called hiding in plain sight; it happens a lot. All you have to do is sit with someone at a table and speak low enough to not grab the attention of others but no so low that you're whispering (which will grab attention) and you can say anything without the concern of being overheard.
@@r0bw00d Except an admiral with a past relationship with this particular officer has two really easy ways to legitimately give classified info to Riker: 1.) Meet him in his quarters to 'reminisce' 2.) Give him the classified info via orders, which he did anyways. Crowded public settings still offer way too much room for some random person to stumble over and hear something they weren't meant to, and as both Riker and Pressman are senior officers they have a legitimate right to a private area to talk.
@@BrigadierBill There are multiple options for any act. The fact still remains that the easiest way to avoid suspicion is to not behave suspiciously. Do you pay attention to the conversations people around you are having, say, in a restaurant? Despite being in a public place, those talks are still pretty much private. Same goes for this scene. You can disagree with the option, which is fine, of course, but that doesn't mean that you can pass it off as being illegitimate. As for that last bit, when two people of a higher rank speak to each other, everybody else tends to avoid them. Plus, people in the 24th century have the decency to not eavesdrop on one another.
Like Trump at Maralargo sharing North Korea intel with campaign donors over dinner and a nice big slice of chocolate cake. A great slice of cake. The best slice. We have nothing but the best chocolate cake at Maralago
This stuff is much more interesting and exciting than copy and paste fleets of thousands pew pewing at another copy and paste fleet of thousands in the newer stuff :(
I can feel the depth of Riker's eyeroll at 3:57 when the Admiral told him that he could NOT even discuss (the true reason behind the search for the Pegasus) with his Captain and friend.
There were many funny moments in TNG, but I always loved the moments when Patrick Stewart (great actor) played Captain Picard as an insincere and struggling actor, and equally loved the "fake sincerity" moments like this one.
"Hey, you remember that transphasic cloak that was like a big deal with the romulans but then not?" "Yeah" "Well what if we used it against the Jem'Hadar?"
3:43 "Not many and it's up to us to make sure it stays that way." I like how the actor widens his eyes at "make sure" to emphasize his point. Good acting.
Really? Jesus suffering christ, pedantic motherfuckers! Also, thank you for all these clips......perfect bitesized chunks of Trek, a few everyday and all that...
@@TheTerranscout Okay, I get that it's a bit contrived, since the Romulans can presumable read the _Enterprise_ pennant number, but it's still a great moment. I love the small but noticeable reaction the Romulan CO has when he hears Picard's name. After the events of "The Enemy," "The Defector," "Data's Day," "Redemption," and "Unification," Captain Picard must have quite the file from the Tal Shiar.
Oh how I miss TNG, DS9, Voyager and yes, even Enterprise - when Star Trek was written by talented writers who respected both the characters and the audience.
In hindsight, yes... but at the time of the accord, federation was a fast expanding.. technically outpacing classical single dominating species empires... with cloaking device, Federation would be invincible. It would put the balance of power too far off..
well until the dominion they wernt allowed to use cloaking technology, during the war they used extensively even outside the gamma quadrant and they also use cloaked mines. im guessing they laxed on the treaty after the dominion war.
The Federation have a habit of signing stupid treaties in a rush for peace. They didn’t learn their lesson at Algeron, nor with the daft Cardassian treaty where they signed away the sovereignty of their own planets near the border.🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@thehantavirus The only ship cloak the Federation had was on the Defiant, and the device was loaned from the Romulans. The treaty was still in place, though the Dominion War was an exception
The funny thing for me, re-watching this, is how much that reminds me of House explaining his hiring choices (in his case, *to* the people he'd hired).
They must not remember the big twist of the episode: When they recovered the Pegasus's captain's logs, it turned out the Admiral had been in a wheelchair during his entire command...
Captain Picard was the ideal captain for the Enterprise D in the TNG-era. Who else would you want on a frontier exploring and diplomatic mission than a man who's proven himself in Klingon culture as Worf's "Kam-Jahtee", strategically communicated on par with Romulans, gained very IN DEPTH experience with the Borg, outsmart and outfought Ferengi pirates and was able to grant some temporary self-control and logic restoration to the Vulcan Ambassador Sarek?
@@MasterofSpiders I did not like how the writers made section 31 this bad guy in Star trek discovery that's one of my issues with that show along with making the Klingons different and other things.
@JRPGFan20000 stop it. No they are not trouble. you just don't like section 31 because they got to do some dirty s*** in order to keep Paradise. People always want peace but they are afraid to go to war for that peace If a few million Klingons got to die then so be it and if a few billion romulans got to die then so be it. All of that is for the good of the federation.
Imagine how stressful it must be for the spouses and children of the Enterprise, always having to deal with red alert and attacks and shaking and stuff. Makes no sense to have them aboard.
It's not really all that common in TNG. Enterprise D was a vessel of science and exploration, and as such there was a lot of traveling to out of the way places to see and scan unusual or rare phenomena, meet new races, engage in diplomacy, and many other nonmilitary activities. TNG-era Enterprise wasn't a warship until she was rebuilt as Enterprise E.
No it doesn't. All it takes is one bad incident and all those women and children are dead. No way to protect them. I know they were trying to play up the non military angle, but it isn't realistic. The galaxy is not populated only by kind alien races. Then there are natural disasters. totally irresponsible. But people are still defending the idea as if it makes sense.
00:30 - 01:35 has a classic ’Game of Thrones’ feel; insincere compliments, vague threats, subtle boasts, poorly disguised lying, false friendliness, stilted politeness. Picard could just as well be Tyrion Lannister or Varys. And the Romulan captain is a sort of Cersei Lannister or Olenna Tyrell. Good to know that politics and power plays are often similar, whatever the timeline.
Romulan: I hope we didn't scare you. Picard: Ya just think if we had to kick your butt all the way to Romulus. Romulan: haha good one. Well enough of this BS bye
It's not really the Romulan style to pick an even fight after giving the enemy plenty of warning. I wouldn't be too worried about him shooting unless he cloaked again.
They're built for intimidation over any sort of practicality. It's to maintain the image that the Romulan Star Empire is still going strong, and not relying mostly on the Tal Shiar's reputation to keep the citizens in line.
@@pwnmeisterage Having to choose between Loyalty to his former captain or his current Captain? So much so, he visited Diana for her Ship Counselors job? Sure sounds Stressfull and Insomnia Inducing for me!
its actually quite remarkable how many of Picards peers, Captains and Admirals alike who look at his actions and mindset with bewilderment bordering on mild contempt
Same never like that either. It makes far less sense the say the Non proliferation treaty/strategic arms limitation of nuclear weapons in real life. Maybe if each side was allowed a agreed upon number of cloaked ships it would be more realistic
It was either that or quadrant wide war the same kind of which happened in DS9. They Roms basically said "if you pursue development of this technology we will invade" and the federation was not prepared to fight a conflict like that after just coming out a cold war with klingons a few decades earlier. So they settled for this treaty instead which proved useful in the long the run to preventing future wars or arms races over perceived advantages. Fed tech surged ahead drastically over the coming years following the treaty surpassing the Romulans cloak or no cloak.
Commander Cyrol knew exactly who he was talking to before saying anything... and probably had already read EVERY Romulan intelligence report on the Enterprise...
*Talking casually about top secret orders withheld from even Pickard...all while mistakenly using the top of a bent over Guinan's hat - as a drink tray.
Uh what? Stewart's British. Or you just talking about the extreme politeness? I dunno Canadians don't seem like the "diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggie' as you reach for a rock" types...
The actor playing Sirol would play the Enterprise D stand-in tactical officer in the Star Trek Generations movie, while Riker and Worf were aboard the Observatory. "Sir, a Klingon Bird of Prey is decloaking off the port bow!" "........what?"
Growing up in Germany I am surprised how much cooler Picard is in English. Not that his german voice is bad. It is Not. But it gives Picard a much softer tone. The English one is more hierarchic and more direct.
There was a surprising clause in the agreement that allowed them to borrow it, "if the Romulan cloaking operations and liason officer takes off a few years to treat her PTSD from being killed in a simulation by captors trying to take over the quadrant, you guys can just keep using it until she gets back, it's cool". Their lawyers just completely overlooked that one, too much ale the night before or something.
It's adorable the polite jabs they throw at each other. Are you telling me a Romulan Commander didn't know he decloaked directly in front of the Enterprise...... You know.......The flagship of Star Fleet..... 😹 A Romulan, who's species is well know for it's covert and intelligence apparatus....... Didn't know what the Enterprise is? And who commands her? That was a funny way of saying: Oh I'm sorry, who are you again?
You know when I first watched the premiere episode (first airing in the 80’s) I remember building a Lego federation ship (did that a lot back in the day) of what I thought the new Enterprise would look like. Let’s just say I was bit off. Probably the only thing I got right was that it had a saucer section, star drive section, and 2nacelles. It annoyed me so much it took 5 years to come around to liking the Galaxy class.
"Not at all. But your unannounced appearance might have unfortunate consequences. It would be an awful shame if your ship were damaged due to some misunderstanding."
"Not at all. But your unannounced appearance might have unfortunate consequences. It would be an awful shame if several photon torpedoes suddenly struck the bridge of your ship."
@@tek512 Continuing the steady downward slide in tone and subtlety: "I would hate it if your ass were to sustain injury when I break my foot off in it."
tim rittgers I believe it was that Riker had stood up to his previous captain, wouldn’t let him go on an away mission that Riker thought was too dangerous. This was actually mentioned in Encounter at Farpoint, but mentioning it here is a nice touch, since the whole episode revolves around whether Riker will just blindly follow orders or not.
