The blots on his mask are supposed to emit his emotions based off the comics so you see they start becoming more rapid while he is delivering that comment.
Rorschach was ready for death a long, long time ago. Jackie Earle Haley does an amazing job of twisting pain and rage together both in his voice and face.
The way his face scrunches up in anger before delivering the second "Do it" like he's mad Dr Manhattan didn't have the balls to kill him the first time he said it. Love it
I love the irony that in the end both Dr. Manhattan and Adrien lose their sense of humanity, whereas rorshach and comedian (the two characters who are deemed sociopathic) show they have a sense of humanity.
@KitchensAreHot then you missed the point of the comic, the great thing about this story is that it's not interested in telling you whats right and wrong, it just presents different viewpoints and allows the audience to choose whichever they believe to be the lesser of two evils
Rorschach wanted to die here because he wouldn't stop until he got his way. Manhattan just gave him what he wanted. Manhattan's also powerful enough to see into the future and realize that eventually in Earth's long history something relating to Rorschach's journal is published. He can also choose to just burn it before it's found. The thing is he doesn't for one reason or another. This was the only dignified way to end things for him.
Can't we all just appreciate Jackie's stunning performance as Rorschach? Just like Hugh Jackman as Logan, I can't see anyone else to be able to play as Rorschach as perfect as that man did
Yeah. You can just feel the pain of that poor guy, realizing that what he had gotten himself into...was a mess that he didn’t want to be involved with. That, and the idea of having one of your mentors/friends being blown up by someone you thought was your friend. God, that must be traumatizing....
@@dweetsauce8513 it abandons a lot of the themes from Watchmen in order to be a pretty generic DC comic book which features versions of the Watchmen characters.
I don't know, that's up to your own imagination really. Honestly in my mind, they printed to story and the mass majority of people never believed it. And like always continued to live amongst there lies. Like Manhattan said he can change almost anything, but not human nature. Human nature would dictate they will go for the easy answer, Manhattan is a bad guy and he can kill them all so they must all stand united.
And the worst thing is he doesn't even get a proper, good long look at him. He can only imagine what his expression actually looked like in full at that final moment.
IIRC he saw him on the street and didn't recognize him without his mask earlier in the movie and Rorschach made a narrative comment about it at some point during the movie.
Goddam. Why didn't Jack Earle Haley(Rorschach) get some kind of nod for this role? He was amazing? And WHY didn't he get more awesome and intense roles like this, after this, instead of crap parts like Elm Street and Robocop? He can pull off more roles as the dramatic lead, easily. A highly and unjustly underrated actor, in my opinion.
Everyone bitching about DiCaprio not getting an oscar (which he eventually got for some reason) while there's a shit ton of actors out there that never got shit, even when they're a 100 times better actors than Leo. Jackie is one of them, but I guess he's not handsome enough for an oscar right?
This was actually one scene that was better than the graphic novel, at least Nite Owl is here trying to stop Dr. Manhattan instead of getting with Silk Spectre again. Bros before hoes Daniel!
Same here! There's more verbal exchange and you can see that Manhattan doesn't really want to do it. And the change of Rorschach's expressions during all of it make it even more powerful! And, yes, I like Daniel being there rather than getting it on with Laurie. You never know how he reacted to Rorschach's death (or if he even cared) in the book.
ryouko Yeah, Rorschach was the Character with the most depth I felt and the way he died in the graphic novel left me feeling like y'know, he deserved a bit more. He was (to me anyway) one of those rare bottom right of the political spectrum guys and the presence of Nite Owl made me feel like at least there was someone (y'know, with HUMAN emotions) who witnessed him give his life for a cause, that the gesture wasn't in vain.
GoldenJokered Is this the first time Daniel has seen Rorschach's face? If so, that's even more powerful imo. He saw a brief glimpse of his face just before he died.
43tafdSva rews Well, in the movie, he did see Rorschach's face on the news. So when he took the mask off, it was the first time he saw Rorshach's face in person. In the GN, it was very different.
Yeah. Rorschach was a good man. Difficult thing for him to be feeling the way he did about human beings but he wanted to make the world a better place. He was stubborn and uncompromising even in the face of death because that was who he was. Everyone thought he was just a nut but Dan.
When he breaks up with Silk Spectre he leaves earth. When he breaks up with Rorschach he leaves the damn galaxy. I think we all know who mattered most here.
@@sebsignat8286 More like would it have mattered. truths of all kinds are being revealed & exposed almost at daily basis all over the world, but how many would actually care enough to find out more & do something? it's even more difficult in this particular case, given how verifying what Veidt did would risk having USA & USSR going at each other's throats again. besides, it's the word of one obscure journal vs the 'truth' that happened before everyone's eyes. it'd be like fighting a warship with a pistol.
@@sebsignat8286 That's like saying a child could throw an egg (standard chicken ones, not the likes of ostriches & definitely not those of dinosaurs) & kill a healthy grown-up if done at the right angle. you can't. destroying a warship with a pistol ain't something you could inflict from ANYWHERE outside a warship. doing it INSIDE the warship would be a different argument altogether that ain't applicable here.
I love when Rorschach says "That's always been the difference between us, Daniel." You can tell he doesn't say it like he's right, just that their ways of being are different. They both follow their path, and he doesn't know if the path he chose is the right one, but he must follow it all the way to the end.
Dr. Manhattan, tells everyone that he doesn't care at all about humanity, then decides he cares just long enough to kill the coolest character, then leaves. Godamnit.
Because of her. If not he wouldn't come back in the first place. I love Rorschach's character a lot, but I think Dr. Manhattan's action is logical. I don't know if you've watched the ultimate cut or theatrical cut though.
+Losing You to You Ultimately, whether or not Ozymandius plan succeeds, and whether or not is justified, is not supported either way by the narrative. Moore knew better. Personally, I believe that inaction in the face of the coming political struggles during Watchmen would have been a more catastrophic choice than what he did.
***** Alan Moore, the writer of the original graphic novel. He said that he didn't want to make it seem like he sided for or against Veidt's decision to bomb major cities. That's why Dr. Manhattan said "Without condemning or condoning, I understand." Personally, Veidt's plan was excessive, but it's what was necessary for his plan to succeed. If he wanted the world to be afraid of Manhattan, he needed to give them a very powerful reason to. So he basically showed them that, at any given time, Dr Manhattan could exact the wrath of God. It's very powerful, motivating stuff. I think that even if it weren't entirely necessary, he would have done it just to fit a poetic vision.
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TaZ101SAGA In the new world. Adriands united utopia there is no war and crime will go lower so there is not much wotj for Rorchach since crimefighting is th eonly one keeping him going
Hats off to Nite Owl actor Patrick Wilson. The emotion he generated as he belted out that "NOOOOOO!" becomes more remarkable when you consider that he didn't have the luxury of seeing Jackie Earle Hayley actually being blown to bits in front of him. Hell, Hayley was probably off camera having some hot chocolate while that was being filmed. Wilson had to conjure the visual and react.
"had to conjure the visual and react." No pun intended lol Patrick Wilson plays the Husband in the Conjuring Horror movie franchise and the Husband/Dad in the Insidious Horror Film franchise. Also, the 'Noooo" was not just a "Noooo" it's a "Noooo" that transitions to an "Ahhhh" when he drops to his knees. I think it's great because it shows the pain of the event he just witness of his friend dying. It feels like a realistic heartache moment.
fr, i watched it in theaters and when Rorschach exploded, i got up and left. I sat through over two hours of bullshit and barely any action just for my favorite character to be killed.
Abdiel Montanez whoa, I get your anger over Rorschach's death, but over 2 hours of bullshit and almost no action? The movie was a masterpiece bro. Nothing like it ever
Abdiel Montanez oh me neither man. The emotions it left me with is why I love it so much. This scene was so powerful and a piss off man. R.I.P Rorschach😭😪😪😥😥
@@proposterous2808 Except I'm 30, soon to be a librarian with an MA, with an already acquired History BA focusing in ancient civilizations. But, never to fear, because I wrote an undergraduate thesis arguing that the US invasion of Iraq was actually a resounding victory of neoconservative goals via influences in the second Bush administration. As opposed to its perceived failure by the world at large So, I have dabbled in political science as well. I'm sorry, what are your qualifications? lol
What superpowers does he have? Besides a very advanced grapel hook( if u count that as a power)..his fighting skills are good and he uses his enviroment like some jason bourne ...but no super powers right?
It's still up the viewer to decide if the world actually believes the journal or not which is probably what Alan Moore was originally going for. It's open ended
I like to believe that the journal would be the undoing of Ozymandias’s project; why else include it as the final panel in the graphic novel? But then again maybe I just like the idea of Rorschach winning in the end
Kind of interesting if you read the comments that the one character everyone likes and admires had no "super" power except his convictions and strength of character. Says something...
@Gray Au its called entertainment buddy. No one here is talking any shit on real life heros. Nd if they disgust you why watch a video about super heros?
I actually like that Nite Owl mourned his friend's death in the film instead of having sex with Laurie in the graphic novel, i thought that was stupid.
+Joseph Dutra People tend to do unusual things when traumatized. In the movie they basically just seem to forget New York was just blown up and go about their business, barely any moral conundrum whatsoever.
"Never compromise, not even in the face of armageddon. That's always been the difference between us Daniel." Even when all the other heroes gave it up, Rorschach kept on going and even when Armageddon was at stake, he stuck to his morals.
@@guilhermehank4938 He gets pissed when people think Rorschach is cool. Which is fair. I don’t think it’s fair that he hates this movie for some reason.
Yes, it defines his character. He sees everything in black and white, good and evil. He would always do what he perceives is the right thing, no matter the consequences or damage it causes, because he believes no end can ever justify evil means.
Fabisch Factor It's a Zack Snyder movie after all. Watch his shit for 10 times and come back the next day. You'll always find something new in his movies ❤❤❤
Doctor Manhattan is bugged, environmental stuff lags like all hell in his aggro range. He doesn't get wet in rain, snow doesn't fall, dude's a mess. Watchmaker be praised for fan patches.
Its devastating when this happened on screen in all honesty Rorschach was a character who really had nothing to live for in a world that he only viewed as black & white. He died protecting his values which was all he had left.
Definitely prefer this ending to the comic one. Rorschach deserved a scene like this with more gravity. Damn nightowl just forgets about him in the comicbook.
Yeah, I felt always disturbed by Nite Owl reaction in the comic. He prefered banging Laurie than trying to stop Dr Manhattan of killing his partner in the graphic novel.
@@Sergeant_Camacho He had no idea Doc was going to kill Rorschach. He just let his buddy walk off to go freeze in the tundra. At least Doc killed him quicker than the cold would've. Plus the point was that everyone that decided to put on a costume was an unlikeable, self-centered jerk.
That's the point. Rorschach lives by his principles but he's also a smelly hobo who will murder anyone who he thinks is a bad person. And the end of the book is literally him leaving his journal to see if anyone else will discover it.
Haha so not true, I love DC, I just know when to admit when something is bad and the recent DC films and Watchmen are bad. Mainly down to Zack Snyder, I don't like his style, doesn't work for most movies minus 300, which in my opinion is his only good film. So don't accuse me of being a Marvel fanboy when I love both companies, I just have an opinion on the film.
It's interesting reading up on the moral philosophies of these characters. Ozymandias is representative of the extreme conclusion of utilitarian ethics. That the best option is the one that maximizes the collective "utility" or well-being/happiness of everyone collectively. Under utilitarianism (and consequentialism in general) there's no inherently good or bad actions, only good or bad outcomes. The morally right action is whatever creates the morally right outcome. So to him it was acceptable to kill millions of innocent people because billions would be saved. It's ok to do anything for the "greater good." Rorschach represents the opposite view of "deontology"; that there are inherently good or bad actions regardless of the consequences of those actions. It's wrong to kill an innocent person regardless of the reasons for doing so. Even if it saves lives it shouldn't be done. Exacting justice on people is necessary regardless of the consequences. Rorschach believes murdering and torturing child rapists is the morally right thing to do. Even though it doesn't bring the children back and actually results in a net increase in suffering, it's the right thing to do. And that brings him into conflict because he believes in exacting justice no matter the cost, even if it's the lives of billions of people Ozymandias needs to be brought to justice because he's a murderer. Even if there's no reasonable prospect of succeeding Rorschach tries it anyways (I don't consider the TV show canon) because he doesn't compromise. Dr. Manhattan, the Comedian, and the Nite Owl are people stuck in the middle of this who don't rigidly follow either side. The Comedian is actively apathetic and is against morality. He openly acts in self interest and treats everything as a joke. The Nite Owl is basically the average person who believes that actions like murder are inherently wrong but also believes that it's ok to justify other stuff for the greater good, e.g. breaking Rorschach out of prison. So when he's confronted with a situation that's the worst possible action (mass murder of millions) for the best possible outcome (saving billions) his ethical system doesn't work anymore and he just doesn't act. He believes Ozymandias is a bad person for what he did but also tacitly supports his actions by not doing anything. Nite Owl screams when Rorschach is killed but is OK with millions of anonymous people dying. He doesn't have consistent morals and suffers for it. Dr. Manhattan on the other hand is passively apathetic. He's not actively hostile to morality like the Comedian, but he doesn't care about the morality of his actions or inaction much like him. He let the Comedian shoot a pregnant woman and just kind of watches stuff occur even though he has immense power. At the end of the film he stops caring about morals entirely and kills Rorschach not because of morality but because of his own self interest in liking humanity and wanting it to continue.
@@Mr.Popo_og I've written whole case study of Wayne, although it wasn't too good as I was first year student. Plus i'm not really devoted DC fan to know Wayne greatly.
I love the way Manhattan talks and looks while he's speaking to Rorschach; it's like he's shed his godhood and you can see the human underneath again; his voice is more somber, you can see the pupils in his eyes clearly and when Rorschach says "What's one more body amongst foundations?" he clearly struggles with acting in accordance with a decision that has already been made. Great acting on display here.
Just being a lore nerd but perhaps when we see Manhattan freeze time around him and Rorschach, he may have been looking through his timeline for any possible reason they could all still walk away and realizes there isn’t.
The last one and a half minutes is the most sincere, emotional and painful superhero scene of all time. All this without a single overplaying moment and a spectacular but meaningless effect. The only perfect scene that crowned the entire film.
In the end, he was the only man of Justice on the whole movie. In the country of fake justice and propaganda, Rorschach is the only one who hold into the truth and moral code of whats right and wrong. Thats the thing that change himself into a cruel madmen, but he have the best vision and the wisest among them all. He was like a typical conspiracy theorist, he want to tell them the truth and die for it. Rorschach, a dark villain with even darker act. People see him as badass and cool, but thats not all. For me, he is the merely doing what right for humanity and justice.
I agree completely Rorschach was a good example of stoicism sacrifice his own well being for the the benefit of others is truly the greatest aspect of his character. He was truly trying to make a difference in a world of chaos. What the movie shows though is that our world is so corrupt and evil. Ruled by evil humans and many wicked humans who exist in the world. That the true heroes and good guys like Rorschach must die in order to bring even a small beacon of light into the world of utter darkness. "Stoicism teaches the development of self-control and fortitude as a means of overcoming destructive emotions; the philosophy holds that becoming a clear and unbiased thinker allows one to understand the universal reason (logos). A primary aspect of Stoicism involves improving the individual's ethical and moral well-being: "Virtue consists in a will that is in agreement with Nature."[6] This principle also applies to the realm of interpersonal relationships; "to be free from anger, envy, and jealousy,"[7] and to accept even slaves as "equals of other men, because all men alike are products of nature.""
I would come back on what I said to Dylan Fulton and say he isn't right about stoicism. Roeschach saw the world in a Kantic view where one must follow his duty for the greater good, no matter what the losts are.
This show us a lesson: We just can't live by a moral code, because there is no wrong or right. What is wrong for you maybe isn't to another person. You might say: "But everybody knows for example, that killing is wrong". Indeed, even a child knows that. Not because of a moral code, but by a survival instinct. To me, there is only the BALANCE: CHAOS and ORDER in eternal conflict trying to keep the balance. Rorschach's decision wasn't wrong or right, but chaotic (what doesn't mean it's a good or evil choice). While the Ozymandias's decision was to bring the order at any cost (what doesn't mean it's a good or evil choice). Dr Manhattan decision was to keep the balance, letting the world hate him (chaos) but giving them a reason to unite and avoid a nuclear war (order). Pick your side, chaos, order or balance?
Ryan A Ozzy: For the last time, join me or die. Me: I am not much of a joiner. But, maybe we should. Nite Owl: Hey! He's trying to take over the world! Me: So? What's the world going to do for us anyway? It hates us! Nite Owl: Hey! Get back here! Me: Hey, Ozzy? Um... I lost my Rorschach. But you can get him back, right? Ozzy: I can, my dear. Anything you want.
This scene sticks out for me because, I think Roarshac did want to die. He was a vigilante for so long and has seen so much, and Veidts recent actions with the killings of millions probably broke him even more. Further worsened by the watchmens agreement to cover it up. He wanted no part in it and knew that they couldn't let him live. So he probably saw this as a way out from the pain and the burden. But at the same time he knew his journal would complete his work. I think he's a tragic hero. But very strong and firm in his beliefs.
Lil Note in the comic the ending was left ambiguos the person he sent the journal to was you the reader so you could choose the ending yourself in your imagination
It’s not just that though. His concept of justice and morality had become so strong, and at times so dangerous (not here though, completely on point) that he couldn’t bear to even live in a world built on the foundation of an extremely utilitarian approach to ethics. A part of him regretted that that was essentially about to get him killed. But yes, at the end of the day - he was ready.
I agree and I like to think that he wanted to be judged for failing. He failed to save the child and he failed to stop Veidt, thus he failed the ideal that he pledged to. Also see Night Owl so willing to "compromise" he lost his only human connection. I digress but I suffer from depression and anxiety, so Rorschach is very relatable because I understand his rage.
We never know what happens to his diary. Remember he was a condemned criminal in the eyes of people, who had just escaped prison. He left his notebook for a extreme right-wing newspaper that people barely read, and he was very much a psycho. I don't know, even if people read his journal, he'd be believed.
I will vomit on you It'd be more like early DBZ: once Rorschach recognizes Batman as an unrepentant sociopath, he holds him down in a full-nelson as Superman burns through the pair with Heat Vision (justified as a double mercy killing.) Manhattan nods silently with approval and admiration for the other Big Blue. The End.
I never even read the watchmen series before seeing this movie, but this death still is the one that has pissed me off more than pretty much any other movie death.
+Cameron Fischer Why did it piss you off? It did his character justice. It illustrated his incorruptibility, it had to happen. Not even in the face of armageddon. Never compromise.
+thePisccu to me his death ruined the movie simply because he was the only character i gave a shit, he was by far the most "human" character did find it suprisingly they actually bought this whole mastermind idea they could easily throw the blondies head on a spike for what he did
+gman dog6 People fall in love with characters because they have empathy towards others, even fictional others. If you don't, you should be careful, because a lack of empathy is basically the main condition of a psychopath.
Chicken Bot Was he truly "human"? I would say no, because he was the least opportunistic of them all. He always stood by his doctrine. As I have already quoted "Not even in the face of armageddon. Never compromise." The rest of the characters did not want to leave in vain those that were sacrifized to "save humanity". I think most people would have acted this way. Each character in Watchmen resembles away of thinking, and Ozymandias thought that sacrifizing millions to save billions is righteous. And we cannot deny that there is some truth to it. If you put it into context, he basically "saved" humanity by avoiding a nuclear war. That is why the last lines Dr. Manhatten said to Ozymandias are pure genius "Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends." But if you really gave a shit about Rorschach, you would appreciate his death. Death is not necessarily bad, or at least, we cannot know that it is bad. As Socrates said "The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our separate ways, I to die, and you to live. Which of these two is better only God knows." Rorschach died for his perspective on righteousness. He did not compromise. He did not fail himself.
Just finished reading the comic and this scene is much better in this movie. In the comic, Nite Owl and Silk Spectre just have sex while Manhattan kills Rorschach. I think the film was better overall.
@@Adam-nz3ix that's kinda the point of the comic everything is strange and werid because it's about superheroes. Giant blue man who can reshape matter is just as silly along with the puggy guy in a bird suit, a aging women where promiscuous clothing, a homophobic/racist who thinks he's saving peopl. The comic is intentionally saying superheroes are werid and out there and don't really function in a real life society. The movie sorta forgets this and puts a lot of emphasis on making these charcters look cool when that's supposed to be the opposite.
Nah I think the movie missed a lot if the important fundamentals that made watchman work Small but for ex) why would you make all the superheros look cool when the point is too show "hey superheros are silly and don't work in a rel life setting"
@@TheBiggestMoneyBoy Well see I never thought the superhero's looked cool here really. All of there costumes are cartoony as are their personalities. Zack Snyder just pulled a Zack Snyder and muted all of the colors and added slow motion to "look cool." Idk, not a great movie imo especially when compared to the book. However, I still really like it and always felt it kinda got an undeserved beating because it is a good movie.
Although i found Watchmen to be a little boring and long-winded, Rorschach's performance will always be my most favorite performance of a Superhero EVER! Maybe tied with Ledger's Joker for the best Performance in a Superhero Film Such a Shame they didn't try and expand his Character into his own Series of Comics :/
Well him along with the group got their own mini series in the form of Before Watchmen and he had a long career before the events of the main story so he's definitely open for his own story if they ever decided to do it
hiimchrisj yeah but you'll always get the grim reminder that he'll die, i was thinking more like if he was more modern, got to butt heads with Batman or enforce justice against villains and antiheroes alike, he could've easily got a solo film outta it
Agree with finding Watchmen to be a little boring and long-winded. maybe because i've no emotional attachment to the comic series. Also find the Rorschach character to be the most developed. Wouldn't mind seeing a butt-naked man with an enormous glowing blue cock stride into meeting of feminists though. . .
I'm the only one that thinks that Ozymandias plan could never work? I mean, yeah, now people have united against Dr. Manhattan, but, what will they do with the time passes, and the guy doesn't appear anymore? Destroy more cities in order to keep them conviced of the threat? I don't know. To me, Ozymandias plan always looked stupid.
JohnnyElRed I do completely agree, along with the fact that Ozzy's solution isn't permanent, as even if the world unites against Dr. Manhattan, Ozzy will only be delaying the apocalypse for an "x" amount of time (a few years, decades, centuries, or even eons) Ozzy would only be delaying the inevitable, so that some other generation will suffer total human extinction.
No, earlier in the movie Ozy explains that with infinite resources war becomes obsolete. Perhaps he was close to finding this source of energy, but the nuclear war would have happened before he could harness it, so he needed to eliminate that threat. It seems unlikely that he would just sit back after the credits and do nothing to improve the world he had created.
JohnnyElRed Thats something that was lost in the comic's ending. In the comic Ozymandias uses a genetically created psychic squid to kill New York and it sends psychic messages into people's heads about it being an alien invader. Nobody ever questions it because everybody knows what it is.Dr Manhattan doesn't come with that advantage so it seems like a larger oversight. But since Ozymandias's plan is doomed to fail anyway it doesn't really matter.
JohnnyElRed The Russians never invaded the US either. It's a Cold War. With the "alien's" attack including violent images and details being implanted in people's brains I think it's unlikely they're going to realize there is no real threat anytime soon. But that day will eventually come, which is the major failure in the plan.Ozymandias doesn't appreciate the vastness of the future. He believes he found the final solution for world piece but even he doesn't understand that there is no end to anything. Whether it takes month, years, decades or centuries, things will change.
This scene always gets me, the acting is just phenomenal! Doctor Manhattan blue and resolute, Rorschach with his tortured, bitter face and Nite Owl's anguished howl at the end just amazing!
Everything IRL I'm a huge MCU fan, I've loved every single movie they've made so far the last 10 years! And still..... THIS movie has always been one of my favorite super hero movies ever!!! Rorschach is what made me love this movie so much. But over all this movie was just awesome!!! I'll never get tired of watching it!
It's interesting that some people found this to be boring. I guess it's because it's one of the few superhero movies that isn't two and a half hours of superpower porn, but I could be wrong. This is one of the more cerebral films of the genre. The only movies I find that are close to it are Spider Man 1 and 2 (Toby Maguire) and Hancock in terms of storytelling and realism. Like this is how I believe superheroes would effect the real world. The major hitch in Watchmen's side is that there are so many storylines, but I think they juggled them very well and tied them all together in the end. It also ended on a very different note of showing us that the superheroes weren't automatically "right" just because their names were on the title. Everyone here was a tragic hero in the end.
I like this movie too! It shows that superheroes aren't God . They can't stop all bad things from happening . And in the end they cause millions of people to die to save billions
Unfortunately, fanbois hate anything involving superheroes that doesn't mimic CallOfDuty in the respect of having their favorites be OP and flawless. Real comic fans appreciate Watchmen for the timeless masterpiece it is but sadly it will always take flack from those that want it be another Avengers movie. I'm actually glad it was made when it was, before Superhero movies became such a massive phenomenon. Made now, it would have been ruined Im sure, with a lot of wisecracks and silliness.
Even though John felt so out of touch with humans and their emotions, he still struggled to kill Rorschach. In the end, he was still his friend that he’s known for years. This movie was so well made
Rorschach's response might ultimately be the "greater good". As Night Owl says, Veidt has only perverrted humanity. It's like hiding dirty laundry in the closet. It doesn't mean your room is clean. Also, our own world is evidence that the nukes might not have flown, and Manhattan could have stopped most of it. I also don't buy that the world would have been able to thrive so shortly after so much destruction in major cities. It's not a straightforward though experiment about comparing body counts, there are a lot of variables to consider.
+Eddie Pryor the new 52 is a dc comics reboot that was put into motion after The Flash reset the timeline by accident, but more recently characters are starting to regain memories of their pre-new 52 adventures, and it is heavily implied that it was not the flash, but actually dr. Manhattan that messed with the timeline
Interesting question, but is Rorschach moral code better or worse than Batman's? Think about. Batman is never willing to kill, even someone as evil as the Joker, because he believes that killing makes you no better than your enemy, though many would argue that killing someone evil like the Joker would do more good than harm, since he'd just keep killing and maiming otherwise. So Batman sacrifices a greater good for his own moral code. Now Rorschach, he's a different story. He shows no mercy or compromise to his enemies and will kill those that deserves to die. But he basically views the world in a strict black and white colour. There is no grey area to him. Though Ozamandies kills millions, he does it for a greater good that will help maintain peace for mankind. But Rorschach wont stand for it and will tell the truth, even though that would do more harm that good. So Rorschach sacrifices a greater good for his own moral code So is he really better than Batman just because he's willing to kill?
+ShinobiPXO Good questions-they're ones people have debated for a long time. You might be interested in look up normative ethics, and specifically for this instance deontological ethics (Rorschach) vs. consequentialist ethics (Ozymandias). Batman vs. Rorschach is a bit of a strange case. They are actually more similar in that they both take a deontological point of view that one must never break one's moral code/duty, even for the greater good-the difference is that their moral codes are different. Batman believes murder is never wrong, whereas Rorschach's moral code does not take murder to be an intrinsic evil. Apparently deception is inherently evil in Rorschach's mind, though, so he is unwilling to stay silent. The convenient position is to not be an agent-that is what Dr. Manhattan does when he says, "Without condoning... or condemning... I understand." Talk about a cop-out, but it's probably the right decision.
+Diakonos Oh, and I guess I should mention that Rorschach's character is not quite as static as Batman's. For example, in his childhood he wrote an essay defending Truman's use of the atomic bomb to prevent even greater bloodshed-which is essentially what Ozymandias does later. The fact that he's now against it shows how far he has swung the other way. The metaphor of the moving shapes on his face, always fluid, never mixing, but always black and white-this perfectly describes his character and his ethical dilemma. In one sense that variability and open admission about (mis)interpretation is the only honest perspective.
I've got no idea what the fuck is going on, I've got no idea who that blue lad is, I've only once heard of Rorschach before, but what I know damn fucking well is that Steve Jobs died of Ligma.
Still don't understand the hate to this film. The storytelling in this masterpiece is almost that of a timeless classic. This movie requires so much thought from the audience however and that's where people react with a negative response. This scene embodies that with the audience torn on which side to choose. one side is putting fourth humanity in front of their own self righteous acts and one side wants to tell the world what really happened, outstanding
Not to mention, the whole "soft-spoken god with the power to wipe out worlds vaporizes an important character to do what he thinks is right" works better here.
They had no choice. As heroes, their job was to keep the peace, and no way would Rorschach have backed down. I hated seeing it happen, but Rorschach was already a dead man walking following the prison riot.
