Joseph Kennedy did that to her. He was worried about the families image. He made Rosemary far worse than she was initially. What a terrible, monster of a man!
Just curious....was that nurse present at Rosemary's birth ever identified? IMHO she should have been sought out and tried in court for what she did to what was most likely a perfect child. She ruined Rosemary. Joe Kennedy just finished her off.
@@kathleenferguson3296 I'm sure the commenter understood that. So I'll go to presume they were meaning "at that time" or once realized that Rosemary was affected by that delay, if the Kennedys did anything to follow-up what the nurse had done.🙄
Her father killed her once he allowed the procedure to be done on her brain...because she had strong personality and wouldn't listen to anyone and was on her father's way to political gain....and an embarrassment for her famous family. Also, after all that, abandoned her for many years ignoring her well being and not even visiting her for many years....sad Rosemary,sad life.😔
Joseph Kennedy sr was a fascist who supported hitler when joe Kennedy was us ambassador. Eisenhower destroyed Kennedys presidential ambition. And rightly so
My only adult daughter is severely autistic. I am so saddened by the lobotomy that was performed on Rosemary Kennedy. She could have lived a good life with the patience and love of her family. These "special" individuals are given to us by God and we need to remember that. All HUMAN LIFE is sacred.
i have a friend that had a daughter with severe autism as well. ticks me off how they consider putting them in a home ABUSE. sometime the parent cannot handle them at home so they leave them in the care of professionals. thr selfish thing would be keeping them at home and suffering a nervous breakdown
@@krystalharwood6359 Many residential settings for DD individuals are really bad places. They are not equipped to handle the number of people in their facilities and there is a real problem with keeping staff. The pandemic did not help this situation. Parents or guardians of these people better keep tabs on their loved ones in residential settings because many things can happen there. I advocate for my daughter all of the time.
She unfortunately was born at the wrong time when there wasn’t that kind of help this is all for naught the family tried, and did what was suggested best at the time people but should be ashamed for second-guessing any family it’s none of anyone’s business
@@janjanfitz No, the family were in the PUBLIC EYE and were able to have a soap box to advise others. So we have a right to comment. Especially when there's untruths.😊
Sarah Sankey,. My distain is solely for the Kennedy men. Joe Kennedy and his sons John and Robert were horrible womanizers. They flaunted their affairs in front of their wives. Joe had his daughter lobotomized to keep her from tarnishing the family name. He did this without his wife's knowledge. It went horribley wrong. John Kennedy had Jackie committed for a week and shock treatments were given to her. Why? Because she dared to stand up for herself and say it's not ok for him to sleep with other women. She learned her lesson and became the perfect little wife.
Certainly - taste the irony, Mary. Whilst I had the greatest admiration for her brother - JFK, he was (as well as his younger brother, Bobby) a philanderer - that's the seamier aspect of the Kennedy boys.
Tragic story...I can't imagine. This reporter does a commendable job in addressing the uncomfortable. Apologizing for having to use certain language to frame this reality - but is so cognizant of it's "cringe" factor - The truth is not always pretty and /or PC.... Poor Rosemary. Rest in Peace.
Well, doesn't this just piss you off. By today's standards, everything...the nurse during labor, the abandonment, and the fucking lobotomy ("She stopped talking. We went too far. Oops."), all of it would be criminal! Another shameful aspect of America's past.
brian denton, that's just it. You can't judge past medical practices by today's standards or technology. It's a horrific and tragic story, but at the time, it was an option that was labeled risky but possibly effective. A hundred years from now, probably less, some of OUR time's practices may be viewed the same way.
brian denton A lot of the blame must be placed on her father, as he was the one who made all the decisions for the family, and ruled with an iron fist. He was afraid she might become pregnant, hence several of his decisions.
Brandy Nettleton But the lobotomy was normally attempted on patients with psychiatric conditions, not typically those with mental retardation. Kennedy thought his daughter was getting too promiscuous, and might become pregnant out of wedlock, which would have been devastating to the family's well crafted political image, so he convinced the doctor to try the procedure.
BD: By 1940's standards your public comments about the family life of anyone, let alone the Kennedies, would have been rude, unthinkable and possibly subject to civil suit. Sooo, be more careful about how you judge historical events.
BD: By 1940's standards your public comments about the family life of anyone, let alone the Kennedies, would have been rude, unthinkable and possibly subject to civil suit. Sooo, be more careful about how you judge historical events.
Karma is a Law---- It is God s Law----- what you sow--- so shall you reap.... JKennedy and the Dr s who were all involved in giving the lobotomy s -- will reap that back -- Reincarnation is also real...
I read she was acting out sexually so Joe was appalled and had her shut down for life. Being familiar with special needs people, this is an issue, but there are absolutely thoughtful and humane ways to help not only special needs, but people without actual diagnosed issues with their sexual problems - even then - but Joe was Joe and he felt she wouldn’t be able to live a normal life anyway, so he just controlled it like he controlled everything else. Horrible man. Side note: JFK Jr., was appalled by his dad’s and grandfather’s and uncles’ abhorrent behavior toward women. He was different. So different...
The same thing happened to my father. The nurse didn't want to deliver the baby so she "held" my grandmother closed cutting off air to my father, and he wound up with a small case of cerebral palsy. If things like that happened nowadays, these nurses would be sued and probably also fired from ever being a nurse again.
I was born with a mild case of Cerebral Palsy in 1968. If my mom's doctor would have taken me by C-section, I would have been fine. But I am okay for the most part with Cerebarl Palsy and Hydrocephalus with was diagnosed at 11 days old and i have a shunt. I have always been a life long admirer of the Kennedys
Karma will forever bite Joe Sr. I will never understand how Joe Sr could be so heartless, soulless and evil to do that to his own child. RIP Rosemary you are not forgotten.
She kind of looked like Ingrid Bergman. She could of been a movie star. She might of ended up the one with the most morals of that wild family....we will never know.
Heart breaking story . Myself I take care of a special needs child. and How anyone could be a shamed of her I just don't understand. My child is a joy in our lifes.
Marilyn Willett Autism is a form of toxin or vaccine-induced brain damage and it’s not anything to celebrate about - neither would you for epilepsy or car accident induced traumatic brain injury. In fact there are many brain damaged people who hate how they’ve become and would gladly have healthy functioning brains again.
@@EmilyGloeggler7984 This is literally the dumbest Fucking comment ever. You know who else had Autism?? Albert Einstein, Hans Christian Andersen, Bill Gates, Andy Warhol, Steve Jobs, Thomas Jefferson, Nikola Tesla, etc. The list of brilliant minds go on! It is only you who is the mentally deficient one here, clearly.
Wicked parents. They were wealthy, why didn't they hire a nanny for her? They stole her life. Destroyed her chances to have relationships. Hypocrites. Even after she was damaged and docile, they STILL got rid of her. Her parents would have died in prison now days for what they did to her. This is no small matter.
That's the truly sad thing, they were rich and had all the means to hire the best tutors and assistants and nurses for Rosy. She could have had a happy protected life but Joe din't want to deal with it any more. Especially not when she showed interest in men and wanted to go on dates like her sisters! That was a no-go for good ol' Joe so he had her silenced forever.
I have just finished reading "My Lobotomy" A Memoir by Howard Dull, the child that had the lobotomy done I use the term lighty " DOCTOR" Walter Freeman his prefrontal Lobotomy was done through the eye socket with what looked like an ice pick. He would sometimes use TWO ICE PICKS AT THE TIME!
She was very pretty, young and cheerful, instead of a lobotomy her parents should have married her off to a kind man who would love to spoil her and cherish her. Even if money had to exchange hands, she would have been better off with a man to care for her then to be institutionalized.
Good lord!! Really??? How about they just treat her like an honored member of the family, hire a nurse or companion if help was truly needed (and with 8 other kids who loved her and boatloads of money, I doubt that it was). That arrogant old pair were truly gruesome examples of money and prestige being more important than any other consideration, including their own child. How was paying someone to marry her a good solution?? Anyone who would marry her for money wouldn't hesitate to do as bad or worse than Joe Kennedy did. What's wrong with you? How could you even suggest such a thing??
I read about Rosemary’s lobotomy in Laurence Leamer’s book “The Kennedy Women.” When Joe decided to put his daughter through the procedure, I wanted to beg him not to for Rosemary was so beautiful and so harmless. It is probably for that reason that I felt glad when Rose left him in the care of a woman he didn’t like after his stroke all the while she went about maintaining all the routines in her household.
But this lady corrects that Rose never knew about the lobotomy because she did. Rose Kennedy was every bit as treacherous as Joe just in different ways.
they were wrong for what they did to her that's your kid what kind of a dad would do such a bad thing it wasn't her fault my heart goes out to her rip rosemary
Absolutely disgraceful what he did to this beautiful young lady. Absolutely heart breaking and hard to hear. And all of this because he was afraid of bad publicity. Goodness!
I've read some differing accounts about Rosemary. While she may have been a bit developmently delayed as a child she is reported to have been beautiful, charming, and lively. As she grew into a young woman she became violent on occasion. Just being an armchair phycologist, I think she would be diagnosed with Bipolar depression. She could have had as close to a normal life as anyone. Her father made the decision and approved the lobotomy without consulting his wife. Rosemary was a bit of a "free spirit" and her father was afraid she would discrace the family. Lobotomies were new and the side effects weren't well known. The hype was that lobotomies would make patients docile and easy to handle.
Yes. Exactly. That's what I heard- that she most-likely had behavioral difficulties co-occurring with something like dyslexia. That her father simply wanted her to be compliant for his plans to make the family more renowned. They knew lobotomies were for making them like that- and that was the bottom line. Trying to actually help her my @ss.
Did anyone actually watch this video??? They said she was slow to learn anything and way behind even as a baby, and when she got older she was only at grade-school level in mental capacity
My doctor was ALSO late to my birth. I went into labor during early morning shift change. Between night staff and day staff my water broke. My first birth how was i supposed to alert the "professionals". They ACTUALLY had asked me where is your water bag? My daughter is 7 yrs old and has severe non verbal autism. I really blame the doctors. I'm angry at times yes. BUT never have i been ashamed of my daughter. I have an IQ of 113....normal i guess. But i would never JUDGE or try to hide my daughter. There are
I guess Rosemary's father thought he was doing the right thing for his daughter. It backfired & I bet his wife would have been so unforgiving toward her husband. Then again forgiving but didn't forget what her husband had done to their daughter.
Eunice Kennedy Shriver was the most active in advocate for the mentally ill. She and Rosemary were the only decent members of the family, as far as morals, just my opinion
Joe Kennedy was daddy monster to me and the nurse did this to her during the birth situation to me !!!!!!! What nurse does this to keep her from being born my goodness gracious craziness to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Omg the father was evil!!! That was a drastic , extreme and dangerous measure to take.He could easily take her to counseling,hired a guardian especially for her ,let her stay in a farm( it's proven that the farmlife in the country can help calm people with mental illness)or even a dog..It was a new procedure and she was used as a guinea pig..it's not 10 years or 20 years of lobotomy..it is horrific...that's the word horrific
Didn’t we just see a picture of Rosemary on a bike? Joe Kennedy was concerned about how they appeared to others. Yet she went to a formal event where she was introduced to the queen. Why was that no problem? We see pictures of her and she looks normal and appears to be comfortable while in social situations. Also, Joe did not talk to Rose about the lobotomy. He decided on his own and took her by himself. Think of this girl, trusting her Dad, taken in to have her life destroyed. Rose never forgave Joe. What an evil man for than plus all the other despicable things he did.
No that is the old story concocted years ago as the truth about Rosemary came out. They made up that Rose never knew to place all blame on Joe. Rose was a very formidable and harsh woman. She was the one who was first and foremost concerned about image of the family. Rose knew about the lobotomy. Rose could have taken much better care of Rosemary with their immense wealth and she as well as Joe did not. I am very glad this myth is being corrected by this author with evidence.
for what it's worth, there are brain surgeries today that are done with patients in "twilight" so they can talk and answer questions, but the technique has obviously improved drastically; people don't end up with brain damage from it generally.
The nurse at a hospital in Sterling Kansa did the same thing to my mother she wanted the Dr to deliver the baby. It was my Moms 7th child. She told the nurse she would kill her when she kept my brother from being born. Mom was strapped down so she could not stop them. My brother thankfully was OK.
I wonder if she (the author) visited St. Colletta hospital and clinic and searched the records or spoke with the staff to ascertain more of the story? Or is this just from the Kennedy transcripts?
I knew the Kennedys had to have had a hand in getting the ADA (Americans with Disabilities ) law past. Thank you for that, as well as the Special Olympics (even though I was not involve with that organization , I do support that whole heatedly. I am mildly physically Chalenged ( I prefer the terms Physically and Mentally challenged to physically and mentally disabled)
I think joe Kennedy had time to think about what he did to Rosemary,when he had his stroke,he couldn’t even talk and rose kennedy let him do it to her she was no better
It makes me terribly sad. But to be honest Joe was more interested in furthering his sons careers, which in that era is what most fathers were prone to do. Unfortunatley they did not see her potential and Rose being a dutiful wife really had no say. And even if she did, she was very overwhelmed with raising the other children. It is still a very sad and and poinant situation.
My grandmother was such a "good dutiful catholic wife", too but when it came to her babies, she was a lioness. She once threatened an older male relative with a kitchen knife because he slapped her daughter (my aunt) for being in the way. She loved my grandfather dearly but if he had had even thought about having one of their children lobotomized, she would have murdered him on the spot. There is no excuse for what Rose Kennedy allowed to be done to her daughter, absolutely none.
Wow.Just wow. I lost my beautiful firstborn Son a little over 3 years ago to horrific injuries caused by seizures. He was Autistic and unable to tell us when he had a seizure coming on. He was pure joy to us every day of his, and our lives. I canNOT imagine thinking of him as 'less than'... He was the most beautiful person I will ever know and the mere hint of a thought of 'putting him away'or anything of the kind will keep me awake the rest of this night. Poor Rosemary....☮⚜
How can a parent do that to their child it beggars belief, she was a special gift & they had the means to take care of her my god preforming a lobotomy on her in her full senses is absolutely horrendous no wonder The Kennedys had no luck Joe Kennedy had great plans for his sons & nothing would get in his way of that, Rest easy Rosemary ❤
At that time the lobotomy was an option. Sadly, it went wrong. Perhaps she was taken away because they felt guilty. Poor girl, she and a very bad luck.
I found this article which gives a detailed explanation of how the lobotomy was performed The sad and dreadful life of Rosemary Kennedy - IrishCentral.com www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/sad-dreadful-life-Rosemary-Kennedy-revealed.html [From ZTE mobile browser]
No way! At 2.10 in and I'm already appalled at the untruths spoken by this "author." Rosemary Kennedy was not intellectually disabled. Period. She had issues later in her teen years, but as a child, she absolutely was not disabled in any way. She was quiet and also bubbly at most times, but the growing pains that all experience, were more severe for Rosemary and I'd absolutely bet my lifetime experience on the fact that Rosemary's Doctors misdiagnosed her. She may have been bipolar or even manic depressive, or as most think, extreme mood swings on her normal child to teen to young woman developmental changes. It's an absolute shame and tragic with the outcome of what happened to Rosemary. She was very intelligent and may have even been borderline autistic, but disabled and a lobotomy was a cruel, dangerous and extreme act of madness of the person who recommended it and the parents for allowing it. Allegedly Joe gave permission to the Doctors to go ahead without his wife's knowledge and had told her over the phone. And to say it was "somewhat" successful is ridiculous too. As she was left almost in an "almost" vegetative state, yet also understood and communicated rather well. It's absolutely absurd and abhorrent what was done to poor Rosemary, just to shhh her up and to keep the Kennedys name in good standing.
Don't be too harsh on the Kennedy siblings for covering it up. Their dad had such power over them, if they were to really rebel he might ruin them. I think that while they loved and respected Joe, they also feared him quite a bit.
Teddy Kennedy later said that as a child, he always knew that if he wouldn't behave, he would disappear like Rosy. That is some wicked shit to hold over a child, what kind of monster would do that???
Rosemary wasn’t the only child that ended up instutionalized; not an excuse but definitely an explanation. They just didn’t know back then, what they know now, about people with intellectual disabilities etc. I knew an older lady that had her legs held together “until the doctor arrived” and she too had a very disabled son because of it. In the natural order of things , they SHOULD have just known not to do that, but they didn’t. And men being so dominant at the time, women were afraid of doing anything against a Doctors orders … And it’s tragic that some men, even today, have decided they still know what’s best for a woman and her pregnancy..
They should all be ashamed of themselves trying to hide her because they did not accept her as she was and were ashamed of what she was only to enhance their reputation and political wellness. Shame on all of them!!
If they tried to hide her why did they integrate her into the public school system?? I don't see any evidence of them trying to hide her prior to the horrific lobotomy.
That nurse that probably caused the oxygen deprivation during Rosemary’s birth should be held accountable - now. Her name should not be withheld from the public, who deserve to know this nurse’s thoughts during the birth. Her family would know.
From all accounts her mother Rose did not know . Her husband was a tyrant never wanted her opinion on anything. So when he had a stroke he was depended upon upon her and others. Humm karma
The obstetric nurse could've delivered Rose Mary. That was horrible and Rose should've prevented this.Joseph was horrible in allowing his daughter to have a lobotomy. She was never allowed to live from the beginning. Her life was ruined across the board. Horrible parents. That's my opinion.
Weren’t midwives used in those days to deliver babies? Why would the nurse push her back into the birth canal to wait for the doctor to arrive? She should’ve just let her come out naturally and cut the umbilical cord herself! Why would she have to wait for the doctor to get there? The nurse is guilty of cutting off Rosemary’s air supply and causing damage to her brain! Not to mention that it was Rose’s first born child, which probably affected her emotionally and physically too. Irish Catholics had very large families back then because of the Bible saying “go forth and prosper and populate the earth” but they never took into account how it affected the mother or the many siblings that had to go without being taken care of as well as they could have if their parents had less children. Religion ruins everything. Add politics to it and it makes it that much worse. I’m glad I live in a day and age of modern science and technology and didn’t have to grow up in the dark ages of history in this country. America has a very dark secret past that we’re just finding out about in the last few decades.
It was NOT God that did this to Rosemary but mans folly and doings.. Always blaming God for their own choices.. SMH -- and how many people still BLAME God for all the negataives on the human race... MAN IS TO BLAME. He chooses SELF WILL INSTEAD OF doing God s Will.
